- Dec 20, 2012 1:48 pm GMT
[quote="The Verge"]RIM's difficulties leading up to the launch of BlackBerry 10 continued today as the company posted its fiscal Q3 2013 earnings report. The company reported an adjusted net loss of $114 million on $2.73 billion in revenue. The release does claim an overall profit of $14 million for the quarter, but that's only because of a $166 million tax settlement. RIM's struggles are very clearly illustrated by the year-over-year numbers: the company's revenue has dropped 47 percent compared to this time in 2011, whenit earned $265 million. Despite hardware stagnation, RIM did manage to ship 6.9 million smartphones and 255,000 PlayBook tablets nearly 100,000morethan it shipped in Q3 2012.[/quote]
Sucks for RIM - maybe Blackberry 10 will help them out, but in all honesty I think they're too late at this point of the game with Android's gain in popularity and Apple's cult following.
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- Dec 20, 2012 3:05 pm GMT
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RIM doesn't look like a premium customer's phone anymore, that designation now belongs to Apple, with the inexpensive handsets being filled in largely by free phones powered by a flavor of android. I've said it before, if RIM manages to make it out alive, I'll be surprised and probably impressed.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 20, 2012 4:55 pm GMT
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From the preview I have seen, the BB10 without keyboard looks really nice. If it's well priced, I might consider it this summer when I will replace my good old Htc desire.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 20, 2012 10:27 pm GMT
I've owned five BlackBerry devices over my time and it was always a great experience. However, this was only while on BlackBerry Enterprise Server at work. I once tried to hook up a personal handset on their consumer BlackBerry Internet Service, but it wasn't a very good experience. I don't think I'll return to BlackBerry unless it's a work issued phone.
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- Dec 21, 2012 12:24 am GMT
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]RIM doesn't look like a premium customer's phone anymore, that designation now belongs to Apple, with the inexpensive handsets being filled in largely by free phones powered by a flavor of android. I've said it before, if RIM manages to make it out alive, I'll be surprised and probably impressed.[/QUOTE]Get in the real world.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/samsung-galaxy-s3-outsells-iphone-5-in-uk-say-new-figures-50009353/
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- Dec 21, 2012 11:34 am GMT
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Get in the real world.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/samsung-galaxy-s3-outsells-iphone-5-in-uk-say-new-figures-50009353/
[/QUOTE] [quote="CNET"]The iPhone {5} was also outsold by the Samsung Galaxy Ace and the older Galaxy S2, and the iPhone 4S, showing that many phone fans would rather bag a bargain on an older phone than splash out on the latest iPhone.[/quote]
People were likely looking for a bargain, cheap, inexpensive, not because the phone was looked at as premium. The GS3 is more on par with the 4S anyway, which is likely still more expensive to own and operate. If someone from the UK can comment and correct or educate me, I'm always happy to examine good information.
EDIT: One commenter also brings up a few good points -- "Amazes me that CNet taking this sort of thing seriously. Very hard to get reliable figures on sales since Samsung doesn't actually publish theirs (and Apple has only said they sold 5 million in the first weekend - an impressive number). The report is based on "Statistics are derived from uSwitch.com, plus our network of mobile phone comparison partners" which ignores - well practically everything really. Direct sales from Apple. Direct sales from mobile phone companies. Direct sales through most retailers. In other words this is a meaningless statistic. Suggest we all wait until the actual sales figures are published."
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- Dec 21, 2012 12:51 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]
People were likely looking for a bargain, cheap, inexpensive, not because the phone was looked at as premium. The GS3 is more on par with the 4S anyway, which is likely still more expensive to own and operate. If someone from the UK can comment and correct or educate me, I'm always happy to examine good information.
[/QUOTE]lol dude galaxy S3 is a premium smartphone, just because it might be slightly cheaper than IP5 doesnt mean it doesnt belong to the same category. Anybody who can afford a GS3 can most certainly afford an IP5.And lol at your comparison with 4S. Many reputable sources have called the GS3 superior to IP5 including CNET, GSMArena and T3 let alone the 4S.
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- Dec 22, 2012 5:49 am GMT
[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]
Get in the real world.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/samsung-galaxy-s3-outsells-iphone-5-in-uk-say-new-figures-50009353/
[/QUOTE] [quote="CNET"]The iPhone {5} was also outsold by the Samsung Galaxy Ace and the older Galaxy S2, and the iPhone 4S, showing that many phone fans would rather bag a bargain on an older phone than splash out on the latest iPhone.[/quote]
People were likely looking for a bargain, cheap, inexpensive, not because the phone was looked at as premium. The GS3 is more on par with the 4S anyway, which is likely still more expensive to own and operate. If someone from the UK can comment and correct or educate me, I'm always happy to examine good information.
[/QUOTE] Well of course the GS3 is cheaper Apple like to over charge and rip people off!! Also trying to claim the GS3 is not a premium phone just shows off the sad biased opinion you have!- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 22, 2012 7:52 am GMT
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[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]Well of course the GS3 is cheaper Apple like to over charge and rip people off!! Also trying to claim the GS3 is not a premium phone just shows off the sad biased opinion you have!
[/QUOTE] It's also made of cheap plastic.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 22, 2012 8:07 am GMTYa its better than cheap aluminum that scratches and dents by just looking at it.musicalmac wrote:It's also made of cheap plastic.Duckyindiana wrote:
Well of course the GS3 is cheaper Apple like to over charge and rip people off!! Also trying to claim the GS3 is not a premium phone just shows off the sad biased opinion you have!
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Well of course the GS3 is cheaper Apple like to over charge and rip people off!! Also trying to claim the GS3 is not a premium phone just shows off the sad biased opinion you have!
[/QUOTE] It's also made of cheap plastic.[/QUOTE]Ya its better than cheap aluminum that scratches and dents by just looking at it. :lol::lol:
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- Dec 23, 2012 10:51 am GMT
[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]
Well of course the GS3 is cheaper Apple like to over charge and rip people off!! Also trying to claim the GS3 is not a premium phone just shows off the sad biased opinion you have!
[/QUOTE] It's also made of cheap plastic.[/QUOTE]
It also provides users with a lot more freedom. I'd rather have a phone that runs a system which gives users full control than being confined to having a set of panels, without any widgets and without the ability to customize anything. Don't even get me started about the cumbersome process of getting any Apple product to work on Open Source software. Sure, it's doable but it's a lot more work than plug and play like most Android devices.
My S3 can do a helluva lot more than an iPhone 5 can -- that's all that matters to me, I couldn't care less if it was made out of plastic or gold.
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- Dec 23, 2012 12:32 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]It also provides users with a lot more freedom. I'd rather have a phone that runs a system which gives users full control than being confined to having a set of panels, without any widgets and without the ability to customize anything. Don't even get me started about the cumbersome process of getting any Apple product to work on Open Source software. Sure, it's doable but it's a lot more work than plug and play like most Android devices.
My S3 can do a helluva lot more than an iPhone 5 can -- that's all that matters to me, I couldn't care less if it was made out of plastic or gold.
[/QUOTE] How does your personal happiness correlate to a device being considered a premium product or not?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 23, 2012 12:54 pm GMT[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]
It also provides users with a lot more freedom. I'd rather have a phone that runs a system which gives users full control than being confined to having a set of panels, without any widgets and without the ability to customize anything. Don't even get me started about the cumbersome process of getting any Apple product to work on Open Source software. Sure, it's doable but it's a lot more work than plug and play like most Android devices.
My S3 can do a helluva lot more than an iPhone 5 can -- that's all that matters to me, I couldn't care less if it was made out of plastic or gold.
[/QUOTE] How does your personal happiness correlate to a device being considered a premium product or not? [/QUOTE] I was referring to your cheap plastic comment. The way the OS is design does directly correlate to being a premium product or not.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 23, 2012 1:38 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"] I was referring to your cheap plastic comment. The way the OS is design does directly correlate to being a premium product or not. [/QUOTE] I see. I don't consider any flavor of android to be very premium because it was built as a means to funnel ads to you. Smarter users like yourself have likely managed to avoid those sorts of revenue generators.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 23, 2012 2:11 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"] I was referring to your cheap plastic comment. The way the OS is design does directly correlate to being a premium product or not. [/QUOTE] I see. I don't consider any flavor of android to be very premium because it was built as a means to funnel ads to you. Smarter users like yourself have likely managed to avoid those sorts of revenue generators. [/QUOTE]Your argument is completely baseless since android doesnt have anymore ads than iOS. Even without an ad-blocker you are only going to see ads in free applications or mobile websites that have non-flash ads, the same is the case with iOS. As for the likes of youtube, flipboard etc well its all the same on both platforms. You cannot purchase a "premium" version of youtube or flipboard on iOS, ad revenue generation is just as big a part of iOS and apple even recently stared looking to expand their ad business.
The amazon kindle devices are the ones that smack you with ads but even there you have an option to buy out of it. A samsung galaxy device is not a subsidized product so the argument can most certainly not work here.
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- Dec 23, 2012 2:40 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Your argument is completely baseless since android doesnt have anymore ads than iOS. Even without an ad-blocker you are only going to see ads in free applications or mobile websites that have non-flash ads, the same is the case with iOS. As for the likes of youtube, flipboard etc well its all the same on both platforms. You cannot purchase a "premium" version of youtube or flipboard on iOS, ad revenue generation is just as big a part of iOS and apple even recently stared looking to expand their ad business.
The amazon kindle devices are the ones that smack you with ads but even there you have an option to buy out of it. A samsung galaxy device is not a subsidized product so the argument can most certainly not work here.
[/QUOTE] What do you think the point of android is?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 23, 2012 8:08 pm GMT[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"] I was referring to your cheap plastic comment. The way the OS is design does directly correlate to being a premium product or not. [/QUOTE] I see. I don't consider any flavor of android to be very premium because it was built as a means to funnel ads to you. Smarter users like yourself have likely managed to avoid those sorts of revenue generators. [/QUOTE] Actually I leave ads there because without ads funding Google and other smaller firms we wouldn't have awesome free apps and services. I don't use adblock either as I'm against it.
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- Dec 24, 2012 12:46 am GMT
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]
Your argument is completely baseless since android doesnt have anymore ads than iOS. Even without an ad-blocker you are only going to see ads in free applications or mobile websites that have non-flash ads, the same is the case with iOS. As for the likes of youtube, flipboard etc well its all the same on both platforms. You cannot purchase a "premium" version of youtube or flipboard on iOS, ad revenue generation is just as big a part of iOS and apple even recently stared looking to expand their ad business.
The amazon kindle devices are the ones that smack you with ads but even there you have an option to buy out of it. A samsung galaxy device is not a subsidized product so the argument can most certainly not work here.
[/QUOTE] What do you think the point of android is?[/QUOTE]Certainly not what you think it is. Facebook, youtube etc are services designed to funnel you with ads. You dont see no ads on the homescreen of an android device. Google designed android so it could promote its services on it and now those services include selling content on the google stores like apps, music, movies etc so its not just free ad based services that google is into now.
And it doesnt matter what the point is we are not being bombarded with ads on android anymore than iOS thats the point. Google even took away ad-free youtube from iOS now.
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- Dec 27, 2012 4:56 am GMT[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"] I was referring to your cheap plastic comment. The way the OS is design does directly correlate to being a premium product or not. [/QUOTE] I see. I don't consider any flavor of android to be very premium because it was built as a means to funnel ads to you. Smarter users like yourself have likely managed to avoid those sorts of revenue generators. [/QUOTE] Well of course you don't see any flavor of Android as premium, you're so blind and biased its scary but you're the sort of person Apple go for. Will buy whatever slightly upgraded rubbish they make. I'm starting to think you work for them.
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- Dec 27, 2012 11:21 am GMT
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[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"] Well of course you don't see any flavor of Android as premium, you're so blind and biased its scary but you're the sort of person Apple go for. Will buy whatever slightly upgraded rubbish they make. I'm starting to think you work for them. [/QUOTE] Is it the plethora of factual evidence and strong source material I use that terrifies you, or is it the fact that you know I'm right...- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
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