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Console gaming = more money
- Dec 6, 2012 5:52 pm GMT
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"]So let me get this straight... you guys brag about cheap games, yet insist that we're the ones on welfare? [/QUOTE]
I can think of 2-3 posters who recycle the argument, and I know one of them is just joking and having fun (tenaka)...
So, since when do the few exceptions make the rule?
Also, be kind enough to show me where did the TC ever said you or other consolites are on welfare...
[/QUOTE] "Just joking" is not an excuse - if it's posted here, it's fair game to attribute to your faction and argue against.[/QUOTE]
well if it's only 2-3 users, then it should not be attributed to an entire faction
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- Dec 6, 2012 5:53 pm GMT[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"]So let me get this straight... you guys brag about cheap games, yet insist that we're the ones on welfare? [/QUOTE]
Hey your the ones saying our PC are costing 26k.
[/QUOTE] So call them out for it! Go on the offensive! This is a debate, not a pillow fight!- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 6, 2012 5:53 pm GMT
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"]So let me get this straight... you guys brag about cheap games, yet insist that we're the ones on welfare? [/QUOTE]
Hey your the ones saying our PC are costing 26k.
[/QUOTE] So call them out for it! Go on the offensive! This is a debate, not a pillow fight![/QUOTE]
We cant all be as obnoxious as you
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- Dec 6, 2012 5:53 pm GMT[QUOTE="lostrib"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]
I can think of 2-3 posters who recycle the argument, and I know one of them is just joking and having fun (tenaka)...
So, since when do the few exceptions make the rule?
Also, be kind enough to show me where did the TC ever said you or other consolites are on welfare...
[/QUOTE] "Just joking" is not an excuse - if it's posted here, it's fair game to attribute to your faction and argue against.[/QUOTE]
well if it's only 2-3 users, then it should not be attributed to an entire faction
[/QUOTE] Okay, I'll bite... how many posters are needed before it becomes attributable?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 6, 2012 5:54 pm GMT
Depends on how much your PC cost. My new one will be around $1,800. So for me PC actually cost more even with all the deals you get on PC. I also buy my console games when they are around $20 and I also buy used a lot of times, which means even cheaper. With that said, you get what you pay for and that $1,800 will be worth every penny. But if you try, I do believe you can make PC gaming cheaper than console gaming if you just aim for graphics that are on par with consoles or slightly better.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 6, 2012 5:55 pm GMT
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="lostrib"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"] "Just joking" is not an excuse - if it's posted here, it's fair game to attribute to your faction and argue against.[/QUOTE]
well if it's only 2-3 users, then it should not be attributed to an entire faction
[/QUOTE] Okay, I'll bite... how many posters are needed before it becomes attributable?[/QUOTE]
It would need to be the majority view of the faction. Go make a poll
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- Dec 6, 2012 5:55 pm GMT
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"]So let me get this straight... you guys brag about cheap games, yet insist that we're the ones on welfare? [/QUOTE]
Hey your the ones saying our PC are costing 26k.
[/QUOTE] So call them out for it! Go on the offensive! This is a debate, not a pillow fight![/QUOTE]
But that's your job, I'm not the police.
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- Dec 6, 2012 5:56 pm GMT[QUOTE="lostrib"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="lostrib"]
well if it's only 2-3 users, then it should not be attributed to an entire faction
[/QUOTE] Okay, I'll bite... how many posters are needed before it becomes attributable?[/QUOTE]
It would need to be the majority view of the faction. Go make a poll
[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to advance a view one way or another. I'm more interested in pointing out contradictions.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 6, 2012 5:56 pm GMT[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
Hey your the ones saying our PC are costing 26k.
[/QUOTE] So call them out for it! Go on the offensive! This is a debate, not a pillow fight![/QUOTE]
But that's your job, I'm not the police.
[/QUOTE] If you're not willing to argue, then why bother coming here?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 6, 2012 5:57 pm GMT
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="lostrib"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"] Okay, I'll bite... how many posters are needed before it becomes attributable?[/QUOTE]
It would need to be the majority view of the faction. Go make a poll
[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to advance a view one way or another. I'm more interested in pointing out contradictions.[/QUOTE]
okay, good job, you contradicted two idiots who hadnt even posted that view in this thread.
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- Dec 6, 2012 5:57 pm GMT[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"] So call them out for it! Go on the offensive! This is a debate, not a pillow fight![/QUOTE]
But that's your job, I'm not the police.
[/QUOTE] If you're not willing to argue, then why bother coming here?[/QUOTE] There's nothing to argue about here.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 6, 2012 5:57 pm GMT[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="lostrib"]
I will, and keep supporting the gaming industry, while you don't, buying used games
[/QUOTE] who says I buy used games? I just said it's a valid option, and if your paying $6 for 5+ games your really not helping any one[/QUOTE] buying used games is the same as pirating and is no less moral. Not helping anyone lol, digital distribution, costs nothing but server renting and space. its more profitable then retail, also you should know that THQ's stock rose 40% after day two of the humble bundle being out.[/QUOTE] Again who said I buy used games? And no it's not the same as pirating. Pirating can expose a game to everyone without actually being purchased, while used games still don't help the developer, the market will saturate first before used games cut into new sales. And even if THQ shares rose, that doesn't mean they are sticking around. I get they are trying to get their old games out before CoH 2 and Metro Last light come out, hopefully it will boost sales and keep the company a float, but realistically they are using the Humble Bundle for marketing.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 6, 2012 5:59 pm GMT
[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] who says I buy used games? I just said it's a valid option, and if your paying $6 for 5+ games your really not helping any one[/QUOTE] buying used games is the same as pirating and is no less moral. Not helping anyone lol, digital distribution, costs nothing but server renting and space. its more profitable then retail, also you should know that THQ's stock rose 40% after day two of the humble bundle being out.[/QUOTE] Again who said I buy used games? And no it's not the same as pirating. Pirating can expose a game to everyone without actually being purchased, while used games still don't help the developer, the market will saturate first before used games cut into new sales. And even if THQ shares rose, that doesn't mean they are sticking around. I get they are trying to get their old games out before CoH 2 and Metro Last light come out, hopefully it will boost sales and keep the company a float, but realistically they are using the Humble Bundle for marketing.[/QUOTE]
You brought up used games, so deal with it. In the eyes of publishers/developers, used games and pirating is the same thing since they dont get money from either
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- Dec 6, 2012 6:00 pm GMT[QUOTE="lostrib"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="lostrib"]
It would need to be the majority view of the faction. Go make a poll
[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to advance a view one way or another. I'm more interested in pointing out contradictions.[/QUOTE]
okay, good job, you contradicted two idiots who hadnt even posted that view in this thread.
[/QUOTE] The idea of per-thread context was solidly rejected back in the days of "console graphics king" threads. Arguments don't begin and end at the edge of a thread.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 6, 2012 6:00 pm GMT[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="clyde46"] So your trying to justifying stealing and telling me I'm painting gamers in a bad perspective? I'm just saying pirates that steal games don't generally put money back into the industry, they are likely all highschool students too that can't afford to buy the games but ... games are being played without being payed for. Going down the music route, artists get a fraction of the price of a sold album. They make more money from merch and live shows. What pirates are doing is spending money supporting the artists like like by buying their merch and going to see them live. [/QUOTE] This is about gamers though, not musicians, the original argument used sales is worse than pirating games, because pirates buy things, but the article not only isn't related to games but shows that if gamers have the same mentality towards stealing games than one could see this as evidence to contradict the original argument. Gamers steal what they can and buy what they can't then? They buy hardware, and steal software...[/QUOTE] Way to go tarring every gamer as a pirate jerkface. Of course there will be some that pirate to spite the system but there are many other reasons people pirate. Some pirate because certain games aren't available in their region. Other reasons can include the lack of demo's for PC games.[/QUOTE]
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- Dec 6, 2012 6:02 pm GMT
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"] So call them out for it! Go on the offensive! This is a debate, not a pillow fight![/QUOTE]
But that's your job, I'm not the police.
[/QUOTE] If you're not willing to argue, then why bother coming here?[/QUOTE]
How do you argue with some who beleives a PC cost 26k... again Lowe0, you seem out of touch with the internet.
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- Dec 6, 2012 6:03 pm GMT[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
But that's your job, I'm not the police.
[/QUOTE] If you're not willing to argue, then why bother coming here?[/QUOTE]
How do you argue with some who beleives a PC cost 26k... again Lowe0, you seem out of touch with the internet.
[/QUOTE] Simple. Even a quote for a loaded Alienware would contradict that.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Dec 6, 2012 6:03 pm GMT[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] This is about gamers though, not musicians, the original argument used sales is worse than pirating games, because pirates buy things, but the article not only isn't related to games but shows that if gamers have the same mentality towards stealing games than one could see this as evidence to contradict the original argument. Gamers steal what they can and buy what they can't then? They buy hardware, and steal software...[/QUOTE] Way to go tarring every gamer as a pirate jerkface. Of course there will be some that pirate to spite the system but there are many other reasons people pirate. Some pirate because certain games aren't available in their region. Other reasons can include the lack of demo's for PC games.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE] I'm not defending stealing. I'm pointing out that piracy does not equal a lost sale. Buying used is a lost sale.
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- Dec 6, 2012 6:04 pm GMT
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"] If you're not willing to argue, then why bother coming here?[/QUOTE]
How do you argue with some who beleives a PC cost 26k... again Lowe0, you seem out of touch with the internet.
[/QUOTE] Simple. Even a quote for a loaded Alienware would contradict that.[/QUOTE]
And would still beleive PC cost 26k, because that's what trolls do.
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- Dec 6, 2012 6:05 pm GMT[QUOTE="lostrib"]
[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] buying used games is the same as pirating and is no less moral. Not helping anyone lol, digital distribution, costs nothing but server renting and space. its more profitable then retail, also you should know that THQ's stock rose 40% after day two of the humble bundle being out.[/QUOTE] Again who said I buy used games? And no it's not the same as pirating. Pirating can expose a game to everyone without actually being purchased, while used games still don't help the developer, the market will saturate first before used games cut into new sales. And even if THQ shares rose, that doesn't mean they are sticking around. I get they are trying to get their old games out before CoH 2 and Metro Last light come out, hopefully it will boost sales and keep the company a float, but realistically they are using the Humble Bundle for marketing.[/QUOTE]
You brought up used games, so deal with it. In the eyes of publishers/developers, used games and pirating is the same thing since they dont get money from either
[/QUOTE] So what if I brought up used games, you brought up cheap games, I brought up similarly cheap games, then you say buying used games is worse than pirating when its not, accuse me of buying used games which has little relevance to this argument, same with how bad pirating is, developers are idiots if they look at it the same way, Used games can generate DLC revenue, Also Used games only cut into sales once the market is saturated, if they don't want this to be a big problem, they need to stop spending so much money on mediocre games...- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
