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BBC: More than 10 Palestinians killed in an Israeli strike on thier house
- Nov 18, 2012 10:37 am GMT
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I mean look at Israel and its actions in the past 60 years or so, can you see any other possible outcome?[/QUOTE]
Explain to everyone why 8 Arab nations and armies attacked Israel on the very day of it's formation then. What was Israel supposed to do when that happened? I am not for or against Israel, nor am I for or against any Arab nation. Would you not fight back if you just wanted to live in peace and you were attacked by your neighbors just for existing and on a continuous basis?
[/QUOTE] What happened in 1948 is a different story. Israel began as a foreign entity to the region and for that it was rejected. I'm not going to go into whether it had the right to exist or not. After that Israel basically took control of all Palestinian territories and continued to deny them their rights.[/QUOTE]
You are focused on Israeli actions for 60 years and yet you cannot see the Arab actions for the past 60 years either. Arabs still deny the right for Israel the right to exist and still attack Israel for existing. Hamas has existed only to attack Israel and has continually done so and it does it in a way to elict the emotions it wants by doing just what it doing.
I have yet to hear one Palestinian denounce Hamas as being responsible for what they do or for that matter state that they wish Hamas would leave. Until that happens, just like the more moderate Islamists in the US who do not denounce extremists, they will be looked at as just as responsible as those who are firing the rockets.
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- Nov 18, 2012 10:38 am GMT
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"Sherman's army was marching through them at the regular pace of ten to twelve miles daily, making corduroy road for his trains every foot of the way, I made up my mind, there had been no such army since the days of Julius Caesar."
- Joseph E. Johnston on Sherman's march northward through the "impassable" Carolina swamps, 1864.
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="C2N2"]
[QUOTE="GazaAli"] Since Israel is an internationally recognized sovereign state, shouldn't it comply with international humanitarian law and basic human rights decency? [/QUOTE]
Sure if the aid they allow to get into the Gaza Strip isn't used to build weapons to kill Israelis.
I am not defending Israel, I think they are stupid... What they are doing with the settlements in the West Bank is retarded and there will never be agreements with that bullsh-t... But Israel is simply trying to protect itself... People act like Israel is some kind of crazed state hell bent on killing all Arabs... They do what they do in Gaza because YOUR people ELECTED a group that has the pronounced goal of destroying the state of Israel to public office.
How would you feel if the "KILL ALL PALESTINIANS" Party took a majority in the Knesset?
[/QUOTE] Well, Lieberman took something like 15 seats in the last election. Anyway, you hit the nail by bringing up the West Bank. Extremism is often the result of decades of oppression and violations against a demography. Look back at the actions of Israel in the past 60 years. The staggering Palestinian death toll, economic loss, land loss, checkpoint regime in the West Bank, Paris protocol, controlling borders, settlements, prisoners, refugees, and the list goes on and on. Tell me, what other possible outcomes can you see?[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't even see any solution in the near future... With enough pressure from the US, I believe Israel could be persuaded to leave the settlements, thought it would take a lot of pressure... As long as Hamas is in power in Gaza, I don't believe Israel will take any talks seriously... And Israel will never give up Jerusalem, which will be the breaking point of any fragile talk...
It doesn't look good for the future either... Both sides want things that the otherside overwhelmingly opposes. And as long as there is violence they won't even attempt to talk, with what little it would do anyways.
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- Nov 18, 2012 10:38 am GMT
"...and I don't hit women. Period. In my world women are to be revered and respected"
- CM Punk
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Hamas is anti-semitic, they fire rockets at Jews because they want to kill them regardless.
Israel didn't start the fight, they merely settled there, in fact the early Jewish settlers bought land from the Arabs.
[/QUOTE] No genius, I'm talking about this recent fight. 2 rockets were fired into a hotel as a result of members of the IDF killing a kid.[/QUOTE]
Hamas fires rockets regardless of what the IDF does. The IDF could come with puppies and chocloate, Hamas would still fire rockets at them.
Hamas started this, they started firing on Israel, the IDF just wasn't going to sit by and let it happen.
[/QUOTE] Yeah, yeah and they'd fire rockets over a football game, a piece of pie, etc. I'm reference something that actually happened.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 18, 2012 10:38 am GMTkingkong0124 wrote:
I also have NFL players entertaining me right now.
you know The IDF never attacks countries it only defends israel hence the name- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 18, 2012 10:39 am GMTShadowMoses900 wrote:
Oy Vey now it's the Zionists again, do these conspiracies ever stop?
I hear this all the time from people on the internet.
...Zionism is a legitimate movement.
There's a difference between 4ch@n's definition of Zionism and the real thing.
It sort of mirrors the anti-semitism debate
Darkman2007 wrote:no , it was coined by a German racist philosopher in the 19th Century, went by the name Wilhelm Marr, after which the term became more popular because hatred of Jews went from religous hatred, to racial/ethnic hatred.The dumbass was using "Semite" and "Jew" as interchangeable terms in his pamphlet. I thought he was just a publicist, but eh. It doesn't matter.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Oy Vey now it's the Zionists again, do these conspiracies ever stop?
I hear this all the time from people on the internet.
[/QUOTE]
...Zionism is a legitimate movement.
There's a difference between 4ch@n's definition of Zionism and the real thing.
It sort of mirrors the anti-semitism debate:P
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] no , it was coined by a German racist philosopher in the 19th Century, went by the name Wilhelm Marr, after which the term became more popular because hatred of Jews went from religous hatred, to racial/ethnic hatred.[/QUOTE]
The dumbass was using "Semite" and "Jew" as interchangeable terms in his pamphlet. I thought he was just a publicist, but eh. It doesn't matter.
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- Nov 18, 2012 10:42 am GMTBaranga wrote:ShadowMoses900 wrote:
Oy Vey now it's the Zionists again, do these conspiracies ever stop?
I hear this all the time from people on the internet.
...Zionism is a legitimate movement.
There's a difference between 4ch@n's definition of Zionism and the real thing.
It sort of mirrors the anti-semitism debate
Darkman2007 wrote:no , it was coined by a German racist philosopher in the 19th Century, went by the name Wilhelm Marr, after which the term became more popular because hatred of Jews went from religous hatred, to racial/ethnic hatred.The dumbass was using "Semite" and "Jew" as interchangeable terms in his pamphlet. I thought he was just a publicist, but eh. It doesn't matter.
well , most Jews are semites, but not every semite is a Jew.
so you can use them interchangably , but yeah , there are always people who seem to disgaree with that statement[QUOTE="Baranga"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Oy Vey now it's the Zionists again, do these conspiracies ever stop?
I hear this all the time from people on the internet.
[/QUOTE]
...Zionism is a legitimate movement.
There's a difference between 4ch@n's definition of Zionism and the real thing.
It sort of mirrors the anti-semitism debate:P
[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] no , it was coined by a German racist philosopher in the 19th Century, went by the name Wilhelm Marr, after which the term became more popular because hatred of Jews went from religous hatred, to racial/ethnic hatred.[/QUOTE]
The dumbass was using "Semite" and "Jew" as interchangeable terms in his pamphlet. I thought he was just a publicist, but eh. It doesn't matter.
[/QUOTE] well , most Jews are semites, but not every semite is a Jew. so you can use them interchangably , but yeah , there are always people who seem to disgaree with that statement- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 18, 2012 10:43 am GMT
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
You are focused on Israeli actions for 60 years and yet you cannot see the Arab actions for the past 60 years either. Arabs still deny the right for Israel the right to exist and still attack Israel for existing.
[/QUOTE]
Gandhi denied Pakistan's legitimacy.
Denying a state's legitimacy does not mean you don't accept its reality.
I guess a full-scale Arabs vs Israel war would show otherwise, but we haven't had one of those in a while. And I doubt we'll see one soon.
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- Nov 18, 2012 10:43 am GMT
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]I was wondering, why didn't the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza rebel against Egypt and Jordan at the time? Pan Arabism?
and Im not even sure waht Lieberman's position on this is, he says 2 things.
[/QUOTE] Isn;t Lieberman all for deporting Arab Israelis? I'm sure he is, or at least was.[/QUOTE] there was something like that, but again it was all over the place. I remember him saying something like moving the border a bit to include a whole bunch of Arab villages which sit along the West Bank , but are in Israel. the people that should worry you more are Kahanists. he does, in principle, support the 2 states ,but he is very sketcy on it. its quite ironic because on social issues he is very much a secular liberal.[/QUOTE] Yea I remember that he is a total social secular. The thing with the Kahanists is that they would never survive in the international community, so they would, ideally, never be in direct power.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 18, 2012 10:43 am GMTinb4uall wrote:Don't put that sh!t here everyone knows the real world doesn't count in SW.
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]
Going to happen when your enemy hides in civilian buildings.
[/QUOTE] Did you read the OP?[/QUOTE]
Conservatives do not read.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 18, 2012 10:45 am GMT
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]you know The IDF never attacks countries it only defends israel hence the name[/QUOTE]
The IDF does defend Israel and its residents..hell it defends the Palestinians too. Why would a Palestinian want Hamas to have more control?
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- Nov 18, 2012 10:45 am GMT
[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
[QUOTE="thebest31406"] No genius, I'm talking about this recent fight. 2 rockets were fired into a hotel as a result of members of the IDF killing a kid.[/QUOTE]
Hamas fires rockets regardless of what the IDF does. The IDF could come with puppies and chocloate, Hamas would still fire rockets at them.
Hamas started this, they started firing on Israel, the IDF just wasn't going to sit by and let it happen.
[/QUOTE] Yeah, yeah and they'd fire rockets over a football game, a piece of pie, etc. I'm reference something that actually happened.[/QUOTE]
PA cleric: Stones and trees order Muslims to kill the evil Jews
Straight from a Palestinian cleric leader. If this doens't scare you then I don't know what will, the fact is that Hamas want's to kill all the Jews no matter what. It was Hamas who fired at Israel, Israel trying to keep it's people safe, launched an air strike to kill Hamas, who was probably hiding in civilian homes to begin with.
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- Nov 18, 2012 10:46 am GMT[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]
Going to happen when your enemy hides in civilian buildings.
[/QUOTE] Did you read the OP?[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE] Nice generalization.
Conservatives do not read.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 18, 2012 10:46 am GMT[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] Isn;t Lieberman all for deporting Arab Israelis? I'm sure he is, or at least was.[/QUOTE] there was something like that, but again it was all over the place. I remember him saying something like moving the border a bit to include a whole bunch of Arab villages which sit along the West Bank , but are in Israel. the people that should worry you more are Kahanists. he does, in principle, support the 2 states ,but he is very sketcy on it. its quite ironic because on social issues he is very much a secular liberal.[/QUOTE] Yea I remember that he is a total social secular. The thing with the Kahanists is that they would never survive in the international community, so they would, ideally, never be in direct power.[/QUOTE] well, there is really only one person in the Knesset who can be called a Kahanist, he is the sort of person that can get large crowds to cheer for him , but not necessarily to vote for him. and I doubt they would ever get power because most people don't want Israel to turn into a theocracy.
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- Nov 18, 2012 10:46 am GMT
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~17-02-2012
meconate the bra
[QUOTE="C2N2"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="C2N2"]
Sure if the aid they allow to get into the Gaza Strip isn't used to build weapons to kill Israelis.
I am not defending Israel, I think they are stupid... What they are doing with the settlements in the West Bank is retarded and there will never be agreements with that bullsh-t... But Israel is simply trying to protect itself... People act like Israel is some kind of crazed state hell bent on killing all Arabs... They do what they do in Gaza because YOUR people ELECTED a group that has the pronounced goal of destroying the state of Israel to public office.
How would you feel if the "KILL ALL PALESTINIANS" Party took a majority in the Knesset?
[/QUOTE] Well, Lieberman took something like 15 seats in the last election. Anyway, you hit the nail by bringing up the West Bank. Extremism is often the result of decades of oppression and violations against a demography. Look back at the actions of Israel in the past 60 years. The staggering Palestinian death toll, economic loss, land loss, checkpoint regime in the West Bank, Paris protocol, controlling borders, settlements, prisoners, refugees, and the list goes on and on. Tell me, what other possible outcomes can you see?[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't even see any solution in the near future... With enough pressure from the US, I believe Israel could be persuaded to leave the settlements, thought it would take a lot of pressure... As long as Hamas is in power in Gaza, I don't believe Israel will take any talks seriously... And Israel will never give up Jerusalem, which will be the breaking point of any fragile talk...
It doesn't look good for the future either... Both sides want things that the otherside overwhelmingly opposes. And as long as there is violence they won't even attempt to talk, with what little it would do anyways.
[/QUOTE] Basically, Israel never takes any talks seriously and its not willing to compromise whatsoever, hence the current situation. Of course we did not really do a good job in showing that, instead and out of patriotism and an influential past, we were happy to sound as anarchists.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 18, 2012 10:46 am GMT
"...and I don't hit women. Period. In my world women are to be revered and respected"
- CM Punk
[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]
Going to happen when your enemy hides in civilian buildings.
[/QUOTE] Did you read the OP?[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE] He said he read, then he switched up his rationale.
Conservatives do not read.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 18, 2012 10:49 am GMT
"A lie told often enough becomes truth" -Vladimir Lenin
I can not see how the United States continues to support this evil place... Let them fend for themselves out there, and own up to the misdeeds they do.
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- Nov 18, 2012 10:49 am GMT
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]you know The IDF never attacks countries it only defends israel hence the name[/QUOTE]
What country is Israel attacking? None of them, that's right.
You can stop trying to fit in around here, you shouldn't care about what people on the internet think of you.
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- Nov 18, 2012 10:49 am GMT
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~17-02-2012
meconate the bra
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
Explain to everyone why 8 Arab nations and armies attacked Israel on the very day of it's formation then. What was Israel supposed to do when that happened? I am not for or against Israel, nor am I for or against any Arab nation. Would you not fight back if you just wanted to live in peace and you were attacked by your neighbors just for existing and on a continuous basis?
[/QUOTE] What happened in 1948 is a different story. Israel began as a foreign entity to the region and for that it was rejected. I'm not going to go into whether it had the right to exist or not. After that Israel basically took control of all Palestinian territories and continued to deny them their rights.[/QUOTE]
You are focused on Israeli actions for 60 years and yet you cannot see the Arab actions for the past 60 years either. Arabs still deny the right for Israel the right to exist and still attack Israel for existing. Hamas has existed only to attack Israel and has continually done so and it does it in a way to elict the emotions it wants by doing just what it doing.
I have yet to hear one Palestinian denounce Hamas as being responsible for what they do or for that matter state that they wish Hamas would leave. Until that happens, just like the more moderate Islamists in the US who do not denounce extremists, they will be looked at as just as responsible as those who are firing the rockets.
[/QUOTE] I disagree with Hamas on so many things and for safety reasons I will leave it at that. I will not go to Arabs' actions, I have enough already of out actions. But as for the existence of Israel, I myself deal with it as a reality. Now legitimacy is a totally different thing.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 18, 2012 10:50 am GMT
"...and I don't hit women. Period. In my world women are to be revered and respected"
- CM Punk
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"][QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
Hamas fires rockets regardless of what the IDF does. The IDF could come with puppies and chocloate, Hamas would still fire rockets at them.
Hamas started this, they started firing on Israel, the IDF just wasn't going to sit by and let it happen.
[/QUOTE] Yeah, yeah and they'd fire rockets over a football game, a piece of pie, etc. I'm reference something that actually happened.[/QUOTE]
PA cleric: Stones and trees order Muslims to kill the evil Jews
Straight from a Palestinian cleric leader. If this doens't scare you then I don't know what will, the fact is that Hamas want's to kill all the Jews no matter what. It was Hamas who fired at Israel, Israel trying to keep it's people safe, launched an air strike to kill Hamas, who was probably hiding in civilian homes to begin with.
[/QUOTE] Strangely enough, your refusal to answer my question actually answers my question.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 18, 2012 10:51 am GMT
married to the one and only kawaii Lebanese FMAB-GTO
~17-02-2012
meconate the bra
Here is a thought, what if all Israelis were Darkman and all Palestinians were GazaAli?
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