- Nov 14, 2012 2:23 pm GMT
Looks like team Green is exploring some options. Obligatory links:
http://allthingsd.com/20121113/amd-exploring-options-including-breakup-sale/
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2283060
I guess it's only inevitable at this point, although they're claiming they're not currently exploring a sale at the moment. Could just be damage control to keep the recently hiked stock price in effect while they look at potential buyers. Question has remained, why let a sinking ship go down for this long when it's apparent it doesn't have the infrastructure or personnel to stay afloat.
Some notes: obviously the turd CPU division won't be missed but here's to hoping their competent GPU department gets spun off (hopefully back as its own entity) or in the hands of a more competent firm.
Sad. Once so very close to the peak with Athlon 64, now relegated to near irrelevance. We can all thank geniuses like Hector "Ruinz" Ruiz and the entire AMD management team (or lack thereof) for this debacle.
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- Nov 14, 2012 2:39 pm GMTMain PC-2600k:8gb 1600mhz DDR3:ASUS P8Z68V-pro:Galaxy GTX 670 2gb 1240mhz core:Intel 520 series180gb SSD:1TB WD Caviar Black:Corsair HX750:Noctua NDH14Hopefully this doesn't turn into a discussion about the OP rather than the article presented and the issue.
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it will
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- Nov 14, 2012 2:50 pm GMT
Monopoly in any form is bad. Atleast for us gamers. Microsoft monopolizes (more or less) gamers with windows, and now intel with chipsets and Nvidia will, with GPU's. Monopoly can only mean we're forced to buy substandard products shoved down our throats at higher prices, Vista anyone ?
Not saying that ivy bridges or trinity are bad just that with no competition no innovation !! For all we know Nvidia's 8xx series is just 2 GTX680's strapped with a rubberband, which is not a bad thing but 5 years from now really ???
Anyway this is disturbing news, and I am in a cynical doomsayer mode so kindly disregard
Monopoly in any form is bad. Atleast for us gamers. Microsoft monopolizes (more or less) gamers with windows, and now intel with chipsets and Nvidia will, with GPU's. Monopoly can only mean we're forced to buy substandard products shoved down our throats at higher prices, Vista anyone ?
Not saying that ivy bridges or trinity are bad just that with no competition no innovation !! For all we know Nvidia's 8xx series is just 2 GTX680's strapped with a rubberband, which is not a bad thing but 5 years from now really ???
Anyway this is disturbing news, and I am in a cynical doomsayer mode so kindly disregard :(
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- Nov 14, 2012 3:01 pm GMT
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i could care less about their cpu's, but their gpu's are the best of the best and it would be a damn shame to see that sink along with the titanic. Hopefully they sell ATi off to some company who knows what theyre doing.
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- Nov 14, 2012 3:07 pm GMT[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]
i could care less about their cpu's, but their gpu's are the best of the best and it would be a damn shame to see that sink along with the titanic. Hopefully they sell ATi off to some company who knows what theyre doing.
[/QUOTE] The gpu part is making money, isn't it?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 14, 2012 3:11 pm GMT
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Yes bring the Ati name back!
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- Nov 14, 2012 3:13 pm GMT
[QUOTE="achilles614"]Hopefully this doesn't turn into a discussion about the OP rather than the article presented and the issue.[/QUOTE]
It usually only devolves into that because the known haters come into the topic to predictably derail the thread instead of discussing the actual issue at hand.
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- Nov 14, 2012 3:33 pm GMT
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It won't happen, their APU's are too juicy to miss out, they're powerful(enough) and efficient and can run games and demanding apps pretty damn well. I have been looking at laptops and know already I'm getting an AMD based ones.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 14, 2012 3:35 pm GMT
More bad news, from the GPU side this time unfortunately:
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2012/11/14/amd-declines-on-gpu-losses-wells-sees-hope-in-cost-cuts-consoles/
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2283309
Market share declines 14% against nVidia. Surprising really considering how aggressive they've been with their Radeon free game bundle promos and constant price cuts. I guess they've been implemented for a reason...
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- Nov 14, 2012 3:38 pm GMT
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CPU: Intel Core i7-2600, RAM: 16GB DDR3-1600, GPU: AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB VRAM[QUOTE="SolidPandaG"]
Looks like team Green is exploring some options. Obligatory links:
http://allthingsd.com/20121113/amd-exploring-options-including-breakup-sale/
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2283060
I guess it's only inevitable at this point, although they're claiming they're not currently exploring a sale at the moment. Could just be damage control to keep the recently hiked stock price in effect while they look at potential buyers. Question has remained, why let a sinking ship go down for this long when it's apparent it doesn't have the infrastructure or personnel to stay afloat.
Some notes: obviously the turd CPU division won't be missed but here's to hoping their competent GPU department gets spun off (hopefully back as its own entity) or in the hands of a more competent firm.
Sad. Once so very close to the peak with Athlon 64, now relegated to near irrelevance. We can all thank geniuses like Hector "Ruinz" Ruiz and the entire AMD management team (or lack thereof) for this debacle.
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AMD refutes Reuters' claim. http://www.sciencenewsdaily.org/hardware-news/cluster253405602/
CEO Rory Read: "we are not actively pursuing the sale of AMD or any of our significant assets"
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- Nov 14, 2012 3:50 pm GMT
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Desktop PC
CPU: Intel Core i7-2600, RAM: 16GB DDR3-1600, GPU: AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB VRAM[QUOTE="SolidPandaG"]
More bad news, from the GPU side this time unfortunately:
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2012/11/14/amd-declines-on-gpu-losses-wells-sees-hope-in-cost-cuts-consoles/
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2283309
Market share declines 14% against nVidia. Surprising really considering how aggressive they've been with their Radeon free game bundle promos and constant price cuts. I guess they've been implemented for a reason...
[/QUOTE]
AMD was focuing on AMD CPU + AMD GPU combo instead of Intel CPU + AMD GPU combo. Cat 12.8 driver or Sep 2012 time period introduces AMD's own Nvidia Optimus type solution i.e. AMD Enduro (Compal reference design). This is too late for Q3 2012. AMD's internal X86 focus was dragging down the GPU side.
Anyway, AMD has 125 design win for Windows 8 era PCs i.e. this starts after Windows 8's release. http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1749730 time period Oct 25 2012.
Again, this is too late for Q3 2012.
Also, 2012 Q3 has Bulldozer to PileDriver transition. Pre-announcing Steamroller Kaveri APU when the deliverables gap is more than 12 months is just bonehead marketing.
Atm, I don't have faith with HP ENVY 15-3012TX laptop with AMD Radeon HD 7750M + Intel Ivybridge + Windows 7 solution i.e. I don't know if this June 2012 era laptop has AMD Enduro (Compal reference design).Overall, AMD could have done better..
http://www.dailytech.com/Reuters+Claims+AMD+is+Pursuing+a+Sale+AMD+Denies+it/article29192.htm
The chipmaker is also gaining ground on rival Intel Corp. (INTC) in the server market. While Intel's products do win on lightly threaded loads, AMD's latest Piledriver (Opteron 6400 series) cores beat out Intel's offerings in heavily threaded loads
The world's most powerful computer is indeed powered by AMD's Opteron 6200 Series chips
PS: The world's most powerful computer is powered by the classic Green team combo i.e. AMD CPU+NVIDIA GPU.
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- Nov 14, 2012 7:02 pm GMT
another troll thread by teddybear
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- Nov 14, 2012 10:51 pm GMT
[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]
another troll thread by teddybear
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Instead of coming in to derail the thread, how about you actually stay on topic? Take a look at yourself in the mirror before calling someone else a troll.
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- Nov 15, 2012 6:02 am GMTYagnav wrote:
Monopoly in any form is bad. Atleast for us gamers. Microsoft monopolizes (more or less) gamers with windows, and now intel with chipsets and Nvidia will, with GPU's. Monopoly can only mean we're forced to buy substandard products shoved down our throats at higher prices, Vista anyone ?
Not saying that ivy bridges or trinity are bad just that with no competition no innovation !! For all we know Nvidia's 8xx series is just 2 GTX680's strapped with a rubberband, which is not a bad thing but 5 years from now really ???
Anyway this is disturbing news, and I am in a cynical doomsayer mode so kindly disregard
Microsoft was selling windows 8 for $15 and $40 at some point, a new copy is only like $100? How is that an example of us getting reamed by a monopoly?
And not much will change from intel and I highly doubt we will have to pay $1000 for a 2600k level cpu. Intel hasn't had much in terms of competition from AMD in the x86 arena for a bit now, and yet we have CPUs like the 3770k selling for ~$330 at launch. Looking back a little my q6600 launched for a much higher price.
Intel's business is based on high-volume sales, if they don't give consumers a good reason to upgrade we'll sit on our old chips which means intel loses money and can't keep building new fab equipment. It is in their best interest to continue to innovate at a reasonable price.Main PC-2600k:8gb 1600mhz DDR3:ASUS P8Z68V-pro:Galaxy GTX 670 2gb 1240mhz core:Intel 520 series180gb SSD:1TB WD Caviar Black:Corsair HX750:Noctua NDH14[QUOTE="Yagnav"]Monopoly in any form is bad. Atleast for us gamers. Microsoft monopolizes (more or less) gamers with windows, and now intel with chipsets and Nvidia will, with GPU's. Monopoly can only mean we're forced to buy substandard products shoved down our throats at higher prices, Vista anyone ?
Not saying that ivy bridges or trinity are bad just that with no competition no innovation !! For all we know Nvidia's 8xx series is just 2 GTX680's strapped with a rubberband, which is not a bad thing but 5 years from now really ???
Anyway this is disturbing news, and I am in a cynical doomsayer mode so kindly disregard :(
[/QUOTE] Microsoft was selling windows 8 for $15 and $40 at some point, a new copy is only like $100? How is that an example of us getting reamed by a monopoly? And not much will change from intel and I highly doubt we will have to pay $1000 for a 2600k level cpu. Intel hasn't had much in terms of competition from AMD in the x86 arena for a bit now, and yet we have CPUs like the 3770k selling for ~$330 at launch. Looking back a little my q6600 launched for a much higher price. Intel's business is based on high-volume sales, if they don't give consumers a good reason to upgrade we'll sit on our old chips which means intel loses money and can't keep building new fab equipment. It is in their best interest to continue to innovate at a reasonable price.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
according to chinese sources on this same article AMD is trying to set itself up atm to get into talks with intel to be a subsidiary
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- Nov 15, 2012 6:09 am GMTMain PC-2600k:8gb 1600mhz DDR3:ASUS P8Z68V-pro:Galaxy GTX 670 2gb 1240mhz core:Intel 520 series180gb SSD:1TB WD Caviar Black:Corsair HX750:Noctua NDH14[QUOTE="ionusX"]
according to chinese sources on this same article AMD is trying to set itself up atm to get into talks with intel to be a subsidiary
[/QUOTE] I don't see why in the world intel would want the whole company and not say just their graphics division. I also don't see why intel would want any of their debt. (didn't their market cap drop even lower to like 1.24B?)- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
[QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="ionusX"]
according to chinese sources on this same article AMD is trying to set itself up atm to get into talks with intel to be a subsidiary
[/QUOTE] I don't see why in the world intel would want the whole company and not say just their graphics division. I also don't see why intel would want any of their debt. (didn't their market cap drop even lower to like 1.24B?)[/QUOTE] its simple.. artificial monopoly
they cant have a real monopoly due to the legal frameworks they both exist in. but they could subsidiary and then AMD would become simply another face of intel.
their graphics division still becomes theirs as does patriot ram (patriot is owned by amd)
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- Nov 15, 2012 6:41 am GMTachilles614 wrote:Microsoft was selling windows 8 for $15 and $40 at some point, a new copy is only like $100? How is that an example of us getting reamed by a monopoly? And not much will change from intel and I highly doubt we will have to pay $1000 for a 2600k level cpu. Intel hasn't had much in terms of competition from AMD in the x86 arena for a bit now, and yet we have CPUs like the 3770k selling for ~$330 at launch. Looking back a little my q6600 launched for a much higher price. Intel's business is based on high-volume sales, if they don't give consumers a good reason to upgrade we'll sit on our old chips which means intel loses money and can't keep building new fab equipment. It is in their best interest to continue to innovate at a reasonable price.Yagnav wrote:
Monopoly in any form is bad. Atleast for us gamers. Microsoft monopolizes (more or less) gamers with windows, and now intel with chipsets and Nvidia will, with GPU's. Monopoly can only mean we're forced to buy substandard products shoved down our throats at higher prices, Vista anyone ?
Not saying that ivy bridges or trinity are bad just that with no competition no innovation !! For all we know Nvidia's 8xx series is just 2 GTX680's strapped with a rubberband, which is not a bad thing but 5 years from now really ???
Anyway this is disturbing news, and I am in a cynical doomsayer mode so kindly disregard
And your point is wrong.... Microsoft is trying to entice Vista/Win 7 users to switch to 8 taking a small cut to do so, and its not working Win 8 has had a poor start in sales.
When a company has no competition in a certain area they can charge more and get away with it. Look at Intel's six core based or E series cpu's AMD has no direct affect on that portion of that market and the prices are hundreds more for only a couple more cores, more L cache and or a bump in clockrate. Also you only need to look in the past to see what both AMD and intel has done with prices. When AMD had the old FX based Athlon 64's they charged much more because they could, intel had no product out that could touch it. and Intel had many products in the past where AMD didnt come close to performance and you had to pay a premium to get those cpu's while AMD offered a cheaper alternative.
Such as your Q6600 for example Intel charged in January 2007 $900 for that cpu, (while all C2Q's were above $500 mark in later in the year still) Intel didnt start really cutting prices on their C2Q until AMD released their Phenom 1's in march 2008. Because until that point AMD had no answer for intel's quad cores. Intel in April 2008 cut their C2D and many C2Q prices in half to be competitive in the market again. So dont fool yourself into thinking Intel wont double their prices on all their cpu's if AMD totally leaves the x86 market.
Edited on Nov 15, 2012 6:47 am GMT Edited 2 total times.loosingENDS Wisdom:My PC is not a gaming PC in the sense that does not have a GPU that will run games in playable frame rates, other than that is a DX11 GPU that will run any game in any setting
Was xbox 360 based on a 9800 pro of 2003 ?
No, it was based on a 8800GTX of 2006
[QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="Yagnav"]
Monopoly in any form is bad. Atleast for us gamers. Microsoft monopolizes (more or less) gamers with windows, and now intel with chipsets and Nvidia will, with GPU's. Monopoly can only mean we're forced to buy substandard products shoved down our throats at higher prices, Vista anyone ?
Not saying that ivy bridges or trinity are bad just that with no competition no innovation !! For all we know Nvidia's 8xx series is just 2 GTX680's strapped with a rubberband, which is not a bad thing but 5 years from now really ???
Anyway this is disturbing news, and I am in a cynical doomsayer mode so kindly disregard :(
[/QUOTE] Microsoft was selling windows 8 for $15 and $40 at some point, a new copy is only like $100? How is that an example of us getting reamed by a monopoly? And not much will change from intel and I highly doubt we will have to pay $1000 for a 2600k level cpu. Intel hasn't had much in terms of competition from AMD in the x86 arena for a bit now, and yet we have CPUs like the 3770k selling for ~$330 at launch. Looking back a little my q6600 launched for a much higher price. Intel's business is based on high-volume sales, if they don't give consumers a good reason to upgrade we'll sit on our old chips which means intel loses money and can't keep building new fab equipment. It is in their best interest to continue to innovate at a reasonable price.[/QUOTE]
And your point is wrong.... Microsoft is trying to entice Vista/Win 7 users to switch to 8 taking a small cut to do so, and its not working Win 8 has had a poor start in sales.
When a company has no competition in a certain area they can charge more and get away with it. Look at Intel's six core based or E series cpu's AMD has no direct affect on that portion of that market and the prices are hundreds more for only a couple more cores, more L cache and or a bump in clockrate. Also you only need to look in the past to see what both AMD and intel has done with prices. When AMD had the old FX based Athlon 64's they charged much more because they could, intel had no product out that could touch it. and Intel had many products in the past where AMD didnt come close to performance and you had to pay a premium to get those cpu's while AMD offered a cheaper alternative.
Such as your Q6600 for example Intel charged in January 2007 $900 for that cpu, (while all C2Q's were above $500 mark in later in the year still) Intel didnt start really cutting prices on their C2Q until AMD released their Phenom 1's in march 2008. Because until that point AMD had no answer for intel's quad cores. Intel in April 2008 cut their C2D and many C2Q prices in half to be competitive in the market again. So dont fool yourself into thinking Intel wont double their prices on all their cpu's if AMD totally leaves the x86 market.
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