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Halo 4 Master Chief Height *Spoilers*

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  • Level 2
    Journeyman
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    Nov 11, 2012 11:33 pm GMT
    After scouring the net for answers apparently no one else has really noticed this, but it has been bothering me since completing the game.

    Sarah Palmer makes a comment early in the game about Chief's height (the famous "I thought you'd be taller" semi snub or w/e). It is clear in that scene that Chief is about a half a head taller than Sarah, with her head coming to his shoulder armor. Then, in the final cutscene when Chief is walking all solemnly towards the bay to remove his armor, he passes by Sarah again, and he is significantly taller than her. So much so that this is probably what people are actually staring at him for in the scene. He has grown at least 6 inches in a few days time. I assume this is to do with the genetic unlocking that the Librarian did, but my digging for info has hit a dead end.

    Thoughts or ideas?
    After scouring the net for answers apparently no one else has really noticed this, but it has been bothering me since completing the game. Sarah Palmer makes a comment early in the game about Chief's height (the famous "I thought you'd be taller" semi snub or w/e). It is clear in that scene that Chief is about a half a head taller than Sarah, with her head coming to his shoulder armor. Then, in the final cutscene when Chief is walking all solemnly towards the bay to remove his armor, he passes by Sarah again, and he is significantly taller than her. So much so that this is probably what people are actually staring at him for in the scene. He has grown at least 6 inches in a few days time. I assume this is to do with the genetic unlocking that the Librarian did, but my digging for info has hit a dead end. Thoughts or ideas?
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    Nov 12, 2012 1:27 am GMT
    I hadnt actually thought about it (dude you need to find other things to do). In the first scene they're standing a little distance from each other, in the last one he gets right next to her. Its just a perspective change. He doesn't grow taller.
    I hadnt actually thought about it (dude you need to find other things to do). In the first scene they're standing a little distance from each other, in the last one he gets right next to her. Its just a perspective change. He doesn't grow taller.
  • Level 42
    Karnov
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    Nov 12, 2012 2:26 am GMT

    i also noticed this instantly and was like wtf he looks like a giant in that last cutscene

    i also noticed this instantly and was like wtf he looks like a giant in that last cutscene

  • Level 24
    I Feel Asleep!!
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    Nov 12, 2012 11:38 am GMT
    Same thing with the brutes, one minute they are shorter than chief, then the next they are way bigger than him....Its just a game, i let it pass.

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    Same thing with the brutes, one minute they are shorter than chief, then the next they are way bigger than him....Its just a game, i let it pass.
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    Nov 12, 2012 11:49 am GMT
    it is a known fact since dawn of time of halo Spartans are taller. how much you may ask? 7feet on normal. They are human genetic modified humans be the best soldiers.
    it is a known fact since dawn of time of halo Spartans are taller. how much you may ask? 7feet on normal. They are human genetic modified humans be the best soldiers.
  • Level 2
    Journeyman
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    Nov 12, 2012 11:53 am GMT
    I just don't think it something that they did by accident. Sarah calls him out on his size, then he is much taller. There is something there...
    I just don't think it something that they did by accident. Sarah calls him out on his size, then he is much taller. There is something there...
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    Nov 12, 2012 12:34 pm GMT
    cdawggorilla wrote:
    I just don't think it something that they did by accident. Sarah calls him out on his size, then he is much taller. There is something there...

    Sarah was just being a wise ass calling out chief on his size. I thought that part's intentions was to show how more humane (or normal) they are compared to the spartan II's. You remember the part where they say the Spartan II's social behaviors aren't normal? It's in the first cutscene.
    [QUOTE="cdawggorilla"]I just don't think it something that they did by accident. Sarah calls him out on his size, then he is much taller. There is something there...[/QUOTE] Sarah was just being a wise ass calling out chief on his size. I thought that part's intentions was to show how more humane (or normal) they are compared to the spartan II's. You remember the part where they say the Spartan II's social behaviors aren't normal? It's in the first cutscene.
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    Nov 12, 2012 12:57 pm GMT
    RoslindaleOne wrote:
    cdawggorilla wrote:
    I just don't think it something that they did by accident. Sarah calls him out on his size, then he is much taller. There is something there...

    Sarah was just being a wise ass calling out chief on his size. I thought that part's intentions was to show how more humane (or normal) they are compared to the spartan II's. You remember the part where they say the Spartan II's social behaviors aren't normal? It's in the first cutscene.


    I just don't buy the coincidence. I get the human side and all, but they wouldn't change the models without reason.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t66H3MUuUs&feature=relmfu

    6:42

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcVh28uEDm4&feature=related

    13:37

    You cannot look at that and say there isn't a significant difference. They wouldn't have changed the models without a reason.
    [QUOTE="RoslindaleOne"][QUOTE="cdawggorilla"]I just don't think it something that they did by accident. Sarah calls him out on his size, then he is much taller. There is something there...[/QUOTE] Sarah was just being a wise ass calling out chief on his size. I thought that part's intentions was to show how more humane (or normal) they are compared to the spartan II's. You remember the part where they say the Spartan II's social behaviors aren't normal? It's in the first cutscene. [/QUOTE] I just don't buy the coincidence. I get the human side and all, but they wouldn't change the models without reason. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t66H3MUuUs&feature=relmfu 6:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcVh28uEDm4&feature=related 13:37 You cannot look at that and say there isn't a significant difference. They wouldn't have changed the models without a reason.
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    Nov 12, 2012 4:17 pm GMT
    Why does it matter? I noticed, but I don't really care. There are more pressing issues with the canon than a brief misrepresentation of the Master Chief's height.
    Why does it matter? I noticed, but I don't really care. There are more pressing issues with the canon than a brief misrepresentation of the Master Chief's height.
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    Nov 12, 2012 4:48 pm GMT
    cdawggorilla wrote:
    RoslindaleOne wrote:
    cdawggorilla wrote:
    I just don't think it something that they did by accident. Sarah calls him out on his size, then he is much taller. There is something there...

    Sarah was just being a wise ass calling out chief on his size. I thought that part's intentions was to show how more humane (or normal) they are compared to the spartan II's. You remember the part where they say the Spartan II's social behaviors aren't normal? It's in the first cutscene.


    I just don't buy the coincidence. I get the human side and all, but they wouldn't change the models without reason.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t66H3MUuUs&feature=relmfu

    6:42

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcVh28uEDm4&feature=related

    13:37

    You cannot look at that and say there isn't a significant difference. They wouldn't have changed the models without a reason.


    I honestly just think it's a mistake on their behalf. Just a simple continuity goof. Don't read so much into it man.


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    [QUOTE="cdawggorilla"][QUOTE="RoslindaleOne"][QUOTE="cdawggorilla"]I just don't think it something that they did by accident. Sarah calls him out on his size, then he is much taller. There is something there...[/QUOTE] Sarah was just being a wise ass calling out chief on his size. I thought that part's intentions was to show how more humane (or normal) they are compared to the spartan II's. You remember the part where they say the Spartan II's social behaviors aren't normal? It's in the first cutscene. [/QUOTE] I just don't buy the coincidence. I get the human side and all, but they wouldn't change the models without reason. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t66H3MUuUs&feature=relmfu 6:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcVh28uEDm4&feature=related 13:37 You cannot look at that and say there isn't a significant difference. They wouldn't have changed the models without a reason. [/QUOTE] I honestly just think it's a mistake on their behalf. Just a simple continuity goof. Don't read so much into it man.
  • Level 28
    Bionic Commando
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    Nov 12, 2012 4:58 pm GMT
    In one of the earlier games, they mentioned him being 7 ft tall, FWIW.
    In one of the earlier games, they mentioned him being 7 ft tall, FWIW.
  • Level 2
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    Nov 12, 2012 6:55 pm GMT
    Spike1988 wrote:
    cdawggorilla wrote:
    RoslindaleOne wrote:

    Sarah was just being a wise ass calling out chief on his size. I thought that part's intentions was to show how more humane (or normal) they are compared to the spartan II's. You remember the part where they say the Spartan II's social behaviors aren't normal? It's in the first cutscene.


    I just don't buy the coincidence. I get the human side and all, but they wouldn't change the models without reason.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t66H3MUuUs&feature=relmfu

    6:42

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcVh28uEDm4&feature=related

    13:37

    You cannot look at that and say there isn't a significant difference. They wouldn't have changed the models without a reason.


    I honestly just think it's a mistake on their behalf. Just a simple continuity goof. Don't read so much into it man.


    I'd be ok with a simple continuity issue if it weren't computer rendered. The chief should be the same throughout. So they changed it. It's got something to do with advancing the genetics (the librarian mentions that she slowed humans evolution and Halsey mentions it as well when talking about the spartans).

    I know Chief is really tall (7 ft, I got that much) but that stuck out to me as something else that happened because of the librarian. It isn't just immunity to the composer, Chief is larger physically as well. I guess I'm trying to piece together clues as to what the unlock actually did.
    [QUOTE="Spike1988"][QUOTE="cdawggorilla"][QUOTE="RoslindaleOne"] Sarah was just being a wise ass calling out chief on his size. I thought that part's intentions was to show how more humane (or normal) they are compared to the spartan II's. You remember the part where they say the Spartan II's social behaviors aren't normal? It's in the first cutscene. [/QUOTE] I just don't buy the coincidence. I get the human side and all, but they wouldn't change the models without reason. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t66H3MUuUs&feature=relmfu 6:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcVh28uEDm4&feature=related 13:37 You cannot look at that and say there isn't a significant difference. They wouldn't have changed the models without a reason. [/QUOTE] I honestly just think it's a mistake on their behalf. Just a simple continuity goof. Don't read so much into it man.[/QUOTE] I'd be ok with a simple continuity issue if it weren't computer rendered. The chief should be the same throughout. So they changed it. It's got something to do with advancing the genetics (the librarian mentions that she slowed humans evolution and Halsey mentions it as well when talking about the spartans). I know Chief is really tall (7 ft, I got that much) but that stuck out to me as something else that happened because of the librarian. It isn't just immunity to the composer, Chief is larger physically as well. I guess I'm trying to piece together clues as to what the unlock actually did.
  • Level 7
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    Nov 12, 2012 7:36 pm GMT

    I doubt it's something too deep....don't think so much.

    Me and a few friends had a joke about that scene with Palmer and Chief last night. Palmer:"I thought you'd be taller".Chief:"I thought you'd have a sandwich".

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    I doubt it's something too deep....don't think so much.

    Me and a few friends had a joke about that scene with Palmer and Chief last night. Palmer:"I thought you'd be taller".Chief:"I thought you'd have a sandwich".

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    Nov 12, 2012 11:55 pm GMT
    cdawggorilla wrote:
    Spike1988 wrote:
    cdawggorilla wrote:


    I just don't buy the coincidence. I get the human side and all, but they wouldn't change the models without reason.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t66H3MUuUs&feature=relmfu

    6:42

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcVh28uEDm4&feature=related

    13:37

    You cannot look at that and say there isn't a significant difference. They wouldn't have changed the models without a reason.


    I honestly just think it's a mistake on their behalf. Just a simple continuity goof. Don't read so much into it man.


    I'd be ok with a simple continuity issue if it weren't computer rendered. The chief should be the same throughout. So they changed it. It's got something to do with advancing the genetics (the librarian mentions that she slowed humans evolution and Halsey mentions it as well when talking about the spartans).

    I know Chief is really tall (7 ft, I got that much) but that stuck out to me as something else that happened because of the librarian. It isn't just immunity to the composer, Chief is larger physically as well. I guess I'm trying to piece together clues as to what the unlock actually did.

    Well,, it looks like there is some difference in design choice between the game and cgi scenes. It has happened with games now and before too. I won't rule your opinion out, but I severely doubt it. We will see in the later Halo games.
    [QUOTE="cdawggorilla"][QUOTE="Spike1988"][QUOTE="cdawggorilla"] I just don't buy the coincidence. I get the human side and all, but they wouldn't change the models without reason. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t66H3MUuUs&feature=relmfu 6:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcVh28uEDm4&feature=related 13:37 You cannot look at that and say there isn't a significant difference. They wouldn't have changed the models without a reason. [/QUOTE] I honestly just think it's a mistake on their behalf. Just a simple continuity goof. Don't read so much into it man.[/QUOTE] I'd be ok with a simple continuity issue if it weren't computer rendered. The chief should be the same throughout. So they changed it. It's got something to do with advancing the genetics (the librarian mentions that she slowed humans evolution and Halsey mentions it as well when talking about the spartans). I know Chief is really tall (7 ft, I got that much) but that stuck out to me as something else that happened because of the librarian. It isn't just immunity to the composer, Chief is larger physically as well. I guess I'm trying to piece together clues as to what the unlock actually did.[/QUOTE] Well,, it looks like there is some difference in design choice between the game and cgi scenes. It has happened with games now and before too. I won't rule your opinion out, but I severely doubt it. We will see in the later Halo games.
  • Level 25
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    Jan 13, 2013 11:12 am GMT

    Nah from what i read from wikia, the librarian genetic "unlocking" didnt change his physical attributes. It only made him invulnerable to the "composer". But she did say she hid few more genetic goodies in him. Apparantly, the librarian created the spartans in an indirect way...

    Nah from what i read from wikia, the librarian genetic "unlocking" didnt change his physical attributes. It only made him invulnerable to the "composer". But she did say she hid few more genetic goodies in him. Apparantly, the librarian created the spartans in an indirect way...

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    Jan 13, 2013 11:14 am GMT

    It also bothers me because in halo wikia, master chief is only a inch taller than sarah palmer but in the cg cutscene he is humongous. I mean dont get me wrong, I would rather have master chief much taller than palmer, but the inconsistency irks me...

    It also bothers me because in halo wikia, master chief is only a inch taller than sarah palmer but in the cg cutscene he is humongous. I mean dont get me wrong, I would rather have master chief much taller than palmer, but the inconsistency irks me...

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    Jan 13, 2013 11:26 am GMT
    Mister_korea wrote:

    It also bothers me because in halo wikia, master chief is only a inch taller than sarah palmer but in the cg cutscene he is humongous. I mean dont get me wrong, I would rather have master chief much taller than palmer, but the inconsistency irks me...


    It also says that he's at least five inches taller when fully suited up. Throw in that she never wears her helmet.

    The differences are probably more minor in gameplay because the Spartan models are close to if not the same size fore gameplay consistency. You play as a Spartan IV in multiplayer. Is it really cost effective to create an entirely new base model and hud?
    [QUOTE="Mister_korea"]

    It also bothers me because in halo wikia, master chief is only a inch taller than sarah palmer but in the cg cutscene he is humongous. I mean dont get me wrong, I would rather have master chief much taller than palmer, but the inconsistency irks me...

    [/QUOTE] It also says that he's at least five inches taller when fully suited up. Throw in that she never wears her helmet. The differences are probably more minor in gameplay because the Spartan models are close to if not the same size fore gameplay consistency. You play as a Spartan IV in multiplayer. Is it really cost effective to create an entirely new base model and hud?
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    Jan 14, 2013 11:09 am GMT
    cdawggorilla wrote:
    RoslindaleOne wrote:
    cdawggorilla wrote:
    I just don't think it something that they did by accident. Sarah calls him out on his size, then he is much taller. There is something there...

    Sarah was just being a wise ass calling out chief on his size. I thought that part's intentions was to show how more humane (or normal) they are compared to the spartan II's. You remember the part where they say the Spartan II's social behaviors aren't normal? It's in the first cutscene.


    I just don't buy the coincidence. I get the human side and all, but they wouldn't change the models without reason.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t66H3MUuUs&feature=relmfu

    6:42

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcVh28uEDm4&feature=related

    13:37

    You cannot look at that and say there isn't a significant difference. They wouldn't have changed the models without a reason.


    One is an in-game cut-scene, and the other is done entirely in CG. You use a different 3D model for in-game and CG...and they're (most likely) created by different departments, so there's a good possibility of continuity errors.
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    [QUOTE="cdawggorilla"][QUOTE="RoslindaleOne"][QUOTE="cdawggorilla"]I just don't think it something that they did by accident. Sarah calls him out on his size, then he is much taller. There is something there...[/QUOTE] Sarah was just being a wise ass calling out chief on his size. I thought that part's intentions was to show how more humane (or normal) they are compared to the spartan II's. You remember the part where they say the Spartan II's social behaviors aren't normal? It's in the first cutscene. [/QUOTE] I just don't buy the coincidence. I get the human side and all, but they wouldn't change the models without reason. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t66H3MUuUs&feature=relmfu 6:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcVh28uEDm4&feature=related 13:37 You cannot look at that and say there isn't a significant difference. They wouldn't have changed the models without a reason. [/QUOTE] One is an in-game cut-scene, and the other is done entirely in CG. You use a different 3D model for in-game and CG...and they're (most likely) created by different departments, so there's a good possibility of continuity errors.
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