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best FPS before the arrival of Halo CE?
- Nov 14, 2012 8:09 am GMTMonkeySpot wrote:
You know what? There's this button on the side of the browser that makes all the childish crap posts go by like a fart in a fan... Never noticed that before. I can read the comments I choose to, and scan right on by the idiots... Keep disruptively posting, JW. I haven't seen a word of it, although the pics are funny as they go by at 90mph...
I've only stopped to read the comments on FPS, so I haven't stopped much on this last page. If I see JW's animated avatar, the button stays down, and wooooosh! It's GONE. Give it a try folks.
am I on the ignore list too?
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[QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]You know what? There's this button on the side of the browser that makes all the childish crap posts go by like a fart in a fan... Never noticed that before. I can read the comments I choose to, and scan right on by the idiots... Keep disruptively posting, JW. I haven't seen a word of it, although the pics are funny as they go by at 90mph...
I've only stopped to read the comments on FPS, so I haven't stopped much on this last page. If I see JW's animated avatar, the button stays down, and wooooosh! It's GONE. Give it a try folks.
:lol:
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- Nov 14, 2012 8:10 am GMT
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]
[QUOTE="Stefan91x"]
[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]
lol at all the goldeneye fanboys
game has aged so badly
the contorls are awful
the framrate is lowai is terrible
??[/QUOTE]Do you post another stupid comment again? It depends on the player, the game is not to blame if you are that stupid to play it, you have no skill.
Deal with it.
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He's probably too young to remember when Quake came out and even the best PCs couldn't run it past 10 fps in high resolutions...
It took untill the GL Quake patch came out and a 3D accelerator for it to surpass consoles.
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but in the end he still has a point, Goldeneye didn't age all that well due to it's framerate
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- Nov 14, 2012 10:10 am GMTBarbaricAvatar wrote:JigglyWiggly_ wrote:conkertheking1 wrote:you do realize pc is the easiest platform to play fps's right. that mouse has good control. But when you play a game like quake where there are no headshots its probably easy to kill people and you must play people who really suck. vs anyone in golden eye so you can cry and whine over the controls and the speed and how there is no reticule
LOL
I should link pc games section to this.
massive crap storm
bro get on my level
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF5hqdc510g
that's what happened when a controller user tried vsing me
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.Yes i know your type. You spend all day practicing one single game to be the 'best' but you can't type or spell and have no social skills whatsoever.
Though most Quake players are much better in their minds than they are in reality.
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If you were any good whatsoever, you'd be playing Quake3, not the noob-mode QL for the modern kids, you just pick on gamepad users because they're all you can beat. I just watched your video and you're nowhere near the skills that are required to rule in Q3. You'll get your butt handed to you with your propensity to miss your target first time.
If you're really using a mouse and keyboard then you suck bigtime, no point having expensive equipment if you can't use it properly.
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And don't think for one second i'm some kind of uber-Quaker. I enjoy having a life and being good at LOTS of games, not just one type.
Oh and UT99 is better than any Quake there's ever been, one day you might grow up and discover this. I'm not holding my breath.above is my response to your joke post
about goldeneye, oh yeah it's aged awfuly
Edited on Nov 14, 2012 10:17 am GMT Edited 4 total times.3dslice.netis my home.
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[QUOTE="BarbaricAvatar"]
[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]
[QUOTE="conkertheking1"] you do realize pc is the easiest platform to play fps's right. that mouse has good control. But when you play a game like quake where there are no headshots its probably easy to kill people and you must play people who really suck. vs anyone in golden eye so you can cry and whine over the controls and the speed and how there is no reticule [/QUOTE]
LOL
I should link pc games section to this.
massive crap storm
bro get on my level
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF5hqdc510g
that's what happened when a controller user tried vsing me
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.[/QUOTE]
Yes i know your type. You spend all day practicing one single game to be the 'best' but you can't type or spell and have no social skills whatsoever.
Though most Quake players are much better in their minds than they are in reality.
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If you were any good whatsoever, you'd be playing Quake3, not the noob-mode QL for the modern kids, you just pick on gamepad users because they're all you can beat. I just watched your video and you're nowhere near the skills that are required to rule in Q3. You'll get your butt handed to you with your propensity to miss your target first time.
If you're really using a mouse and keyboard then you suck bigtime, no point having expensive equipment if you can't use it properly.
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And don't think for one second i'm some kind of uber-Quaker. I enjoy having a life and being good at LOTS of games, not just one type.
Oh and UT99 is better than any Quake there's ever been, one day you might grow up and discover this. I'm not holding my breath.[/QUOTE]
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lol
i don't even play QL that much
I have 18 days or something total playtime and it's my main game.
Also to have good aim you have to be physically fit. Your points are now all invalid.
About Q3 LOL
I'd PREFER q3, but I never played it. The damage system would benefit my playstyle greatly.
Shaft is even stronger, and rail does 100 points.
I am a rail whore and lg whore, I'd love that.
Also you are a joke, once again. I challenge you to any fps.
You would be vsing a guy fatal1ty accused of botting.
r ur jimmies rustled?Pro quake 3 player and quakecon winner in Q3 zero4 thought i was cheating several times. zero4 was fatal1ty's rival
It's in that picture I posted earlier, here is zero4 [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwSs6ZzkP5E[/url]
Here is fatal1ty hackusin me
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXwLk08WL98&hd=1[/url]
u r no match
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/46294175/hacker/evolmad.png[/img]
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above is my response to your joke post
about goldeneye, oh yeah it's aged awfuly
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- Nov 16, 2012 9:32 am GMT
[QUOTE="rilpas"]
[QUOTE="nameless12345"]
[QUOTE="Stefan91x"]Do you post another stupid comment again? It depends on the player, the game is not to blame if you are that stupid to play it, you have no skill.
Deal with it.
[/QUOTE]
He's probably too young to remember when Quake came out and even the best PCs couldn't run it past 10 fps in high resolutions...
It took untill the GL Quake patch came out and a 3D accelerator for it to surpass consoles.
[/QUOTE]
but in the end he still has a point, Goldeneye didn't age all that well due to it's framerate
[/QUOTE]
The framerate is acceptable, the controls are okay and the AI does the job.The game is still enjoyable but of course it's not as important as it once was or to be compared with modern shooters.
Same with Quake with it's brown, blocky, poorly animated graphics, non-existent story, primitive AI ("attack-if-detect" type), limited multi-player options, ect.
It's a classic but it should also be treated as such.
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- Nov 16, 2012 9:36 am GMT
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]
[QUOTE="rilpas"]
[QUOTE="nameless12345"]
He's probably too young to remember when Quake came out and even the best PCs couldn't run it past 10 fps in high resolutions...
It took untill the GL Quake patch came out and a 3D accelerator for it to surpass consoles.
[/QUOTE]
but in the end he still has a point, Goldeneye didn't age all that well due to it's framerate
[/QUOTE]
The framerate is acceptable, the controls are okay and the AI does the job.The game is still enjoyable but of course it's not as important as it once was or to be compared with modern shooters.
Same with Quake with it's brown, blocky, poorly animated graphics, non-existent story, primitive AI ("attack-if-detect" type), limited multi-player options, ect.
It's a classic but it should also be treated as such.
[/QUOTE]
I'd say quake aged quite a bit better, I mean, the framerate for it is far better now then it was back then
and the controls can be changed to WASD
and personally, I tried getting into Goldeneye, playing it on a real N64, but I gave up
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- Nov 16, 2012 9:45 am GMT
[QUOTE="rilpas"]
[QUOTE="nameless12345"]
[QUOTE="rilpas"]
but in the end he still has a point, Goldeneye didn't age all that well due to it's framerate
[/QUOTE]
The framerate is acceptable, the controls are okay and the AI does the job.The game is still enjoyable but of course it's not as important as it once was or to be compared with modern shooters.
Same with Quake with it's brown, blocky, poorly animated graphics, non-existent story, primitive AI ("attack-if-detect" type), limited multi-player options, ect.
It's a classic but it should also be treated as such.
[/QUOTE]
I'd say quake aged quite a bit better, I mean, the framerate for it is far better now then it was back then
and the controls can be changed to WASD
and personally, I tried getting into Goldeneye, playing it on a real N64, but I gave up
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Well, PC will always have the advantage of being upgradable, thus running older (3D) games much better than a console can (including mods, altho some of them can change the original experience completely thus should not count when debating the original game).
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- Nov 16, 2012 9:52 am GMT
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]
[QUOTE="rilpas"]
[QUOTE="nameless12345"]
The framerate is acceptable, the controls are okay and the AI does the job.The game is still enjoyable but of course it's not as important as it once was or to be compared with modern shooters.
Same with Quake with it's brown, blocky, poorly animated graphics, non-existent story, primitive AI ("attack-if-detect" type), limited multi-player options, ect.
It's a classic but it should also be treated as such.
[/QUOTE]
I'd say quake aged quite a bit better, I mean, the framerate for it is far better now then it was back then
and the controls can be changed to WASD
and personally, I tried getting into Goldeneye, playing it on a real N64, but I gave up
[/QUOTE]
Well, PC will always have the advantage of being upgradable, thus running older (3D) games much better than a console can (including mods, altho some of them can change the original experience completely thus should not count when debating the original game).
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in this case it doesn't change the experience though
It's strange though, I don't really have this framerate or control problem when playing saturn or PS1 shooters, but try as I might, I just can't get into goldeneye
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- Nov 16, 2012 11:50 am GMT
I don't know what's so difficult playing FPS games on N64.
Turok controls: C buttons = wasd, analog stick = mouselock
only flaw: inverted controls
Goldeneye controls: analog stick = movement, hold R = aiming, C left and C right = strafing
only flaw: it's difficult to hit a target which is under or above while you moving, yet still possible.
I like to mention, Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, both have one of the best aiming sensivity I've ever played on console FPS, such a dream, so easy.
I agree the framerate wasn't the best on FPS games and the N64 in general (basic SDK, awful performance tools) but it's not that bad, for my taste of course. Heck I have no problem playing Perfect Dark even in High Res Mode, sometimes it's laggy, but for the most part the game is playable very well.
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- Nov 16, 2012 12:53 pm GMTStefan91x wrote:
I don't know what's so difficult playing FPS games on N64.
Turok controls: C buttons = wasd, analog stick = mouselock
only flaw: inverted controls
Goldeneye controls: analog stick = movement, hold R = aiming, C left and C right = strafing
only flaw: it's difficult to hit a target which is under or above while you moving, yet still possible.
I like to mention, Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, both have one of the best aiming sensivity I've ever played on console FPS, such a dream, so easy.
I agree the framerate wasn't the best on FPS games and the N64 in general (basic SDK, awful performance tools) but it's not that bad, for my taste of course. Heck I have no problem playing Perfect Dark even in High Res Mode, sometimes it's laggy, but for the most part the game is playable very well.
I hate aiming with the face buttons, it's why i don't play FPS games on the PSP or the dreamcast
and I just couldn't get into Golden Eye, the overall framerate, the aiming, just not a fan.
I have perfect dark on the 360 (the N64 port, not Perfect dark Zero), with improved controls, online play and better graphics and honestly, I think the game is okay, nothing too great
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[QUOTE="Stefan91x"]
I don't know what's so difficult playing FPS games on N64.
Turok controls: C buttons = wasd, analog stick = mouselock
only flaw: inverted controls
Goldeneye controls: analog stick = movement, hold R = aiming, C left and C right = strafing
only flaw: it's difficult to hit a target which is under or above while you moving, yet still possible.
I like to mention, Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, both have one of the best aiming sensivity I've ever played on console FPS, such a dream, so easy.
I agree the framerate wasn't the best on FPS games and the N64 in general (basic SDK, awful performance tools) but it's not that bad, for my taste of course. Heck I have no problem playing Perfect Dark even in High Res Mode, sometimes it's laggy, but for the most part the game is playable very well.
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I hate aiming with the face buttons, it's why i don't play FPS games on the PSP or the dreamcast :P
and I just couldn't get into Golden Eye, the overall framerate, the aiming, just not a fan.
I have perfect dark on the 360 (the N64 port, not Perfect dark Zero), with improved controls, online play and better graphics and honestly, I think the game is okay, nothing too great
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- Nov 16, 2012 2:15 pm GMT
[QUOTE="Stefan91x"]
I don't know what's so difficult playing FPS games on N64.
Turok controls: C buttons = wasd, analog stick = mouselock
only flaw: inverted controls
Goldeneye controls: analog stick = movement, hold R = aiming, C left and C right = strafing
only flaw: it's difficult to hit a target which is under or above while you moving, yet still possible.
I like to mention, Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, both have one of the best aiming sensivity I've ever played on console FPS, such a dream, so easy.
I agree the framerate wasn't the best on FPS games and the N64 in general (basic SDK, awful performance tools) but it's not that bad, for my taste of course. Heck I have no problem playing Perfect Dark even in High Res Mode, sometimes it's laggy, but for the most part the game is playable very well.
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Not only it's not difficult, the N64 pad is arguably better than the PS (DualShock) pad for FPS games (despite having just a single analog stick).
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- Nov 16, 2012 2:21 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="rilpas"]
[QUOTE="nameless12345"]
He's probably too young to remember when Quake came out and even the best PCs couldn't run it past 10 fps in high resolutions...
It took untill the GL Quake patch came out and a 3D accelerator for it to surpass consoles.
[/QUOTE]
but in the end he still has a point, Goldeneye didn't age all that well due to it's framerate
[/QUOTE]
The framerate is acceptable, the controls are okay and the AI does the job.The game is still enjoyable but of course it's not as important as it once was or to be compared with modern shooters.
Same with Quake with it's brown, blocky, poorly animated graphics, non-existent story, primitive AI ("attack-if-detect" type), limited multi-player options, ect.
It's a classic but it should also be treated as such.
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uh no the framerate is not ok
i play quake at 120+fps
no it's not enjoyable, the ai is broken, the controls blow, and the graphics look like ass.
Quake is not just "brown", it has a blueish and black look.
Graphic animations are better than goldeneye's
primitive ai? It's way better than goldeneye's and it does what it's supposed to do.Ever seen those hostage rescue missions in goldeneye where your partner's ai keeps dying randomly and you lose the mission?
Quake has limited multiplayer options?
LOL
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGWgm0We-f8&t=3m40s[/url]
I don't look at games how they were back then, I look at games how they are now and whether they aged badly. Goldeneye has aged like complete garbage.
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- Nov 16, 2012 2:23 pm GMT
[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]
[QUOTE="rilpas"]
but in the end he still has a point, Goldeneye didn't age all that well due to it's framerate
[/QUOTE]
The framerate is acceptable, the controls are okay and the AI does the job.The game is still enjoyable but of course it's not as important as it once was or to be compared with modern shooters.
Same with Quake with it's brown, blocky, poorly animated graphics, non-existent story, primitive AI ("attack-if-detect" type), limited multi-player options, ect.
It's a classic but it should also be treated as such.
[/QUOTE] uh no the framerate is not ok i play quake at 120+fps no it's not enjoyable, the ai is broken, the controls blow, and the graphics look like ass. Quake is not just "brown", it has a blueish and black look. Graphic animations are better than goldeneye's primitive ai? It's way better than goldeneye's and it does what it's supposed to do. LIMITED MULTIPLAYER OPTIONS? LOL [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAmNtOfpR8Q[/url][/QUOTE]
Sure.
Now go play on your 2K$ PC.
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- Nov 16, 2012 2:31 pm GMT
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Check mySHAFTout.[QUOTE="nameless12345"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]
The framerate is acceptable, the controls are okay and the AI does the job.The game is still enjoyable but of course it's not as important as it once was or to be compared with modern shooters.
Same with Quake with it's brown, blocky, poorly animated graphics, non-existent story, primitive AI ("attack-if-detect" type), limited multi-player options, ect.
It's a classic but it should also be treated as such.
[/QUOTE] uh no the framerate is not ok i play quake at 120+fps no it's not enjoyable, the ai is broken, the controls blow, and the graphics look like ass. Quake is not just "brown", it has a blueish and black look. Graphic animations are better than goldeneye's primitive ai? It's way better than goldeneye's and it does what it's supposed to do. LIMITED MULTIPLAYER OPTIONS? LOL [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAmNtOfpR8Q[/url][/QUOTE]
Sure kid.
Now go play on your 2K$ PC.
[/QUOTE] problems being had? i always lol at goldeneye fans thinking they know anything about fps. Second they play another fps they think it's bad because they don't seem to realize they have terrible handeye coordination for tracking/reflex aiming. Oh and I do love dem old games, provided they aged properly, and goldeneye is the perfect example for a game that hasn't aged properly.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 16, 2012 2:50 pm GMT[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]
[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] uh no the framerate is not ok i play quake at 120+fps no it's not enjoyable, the ai is broken, the controls blow, and the graphics look like ass. Quake is not just "brown", it has a blueish and black look. Graphic animations are better than goldeneye's primitive ai? It's way better than goldeneye's and it does what it's supposed to do. LIMITED MULTIPLAYER OPTIONS? LOL [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAmNtOfpR8Q[/url][/QUOTE]
Sure kid.
Now go play on your 2K$ PC.
[/QUOTE] problems being had? i always lol at goldeneye fans thinking they know anything about fps. Second they play another fps they think it's bad because they don't seem to realize they have terrible handeye coordination for tracking/reflex aiming. Oh and I do love dem old games, provided they aged properly, and goldeneye is the perfect example for a game that hasn't aged properly. [/QUOTE] your just mad cause you suck at golden eye- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 16, 2012 3:36 pm GMT
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I still say it's funny that apparently telling someone to take posts like the 4 posts before this one to systerm wars is not okay I guess this is the sort of discussion everyone wants on these boards?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 16, 2012 4:15 pm GMT
Deus Ex
Red Faction 1
UT
Battlefield 1942 (launched a few months later in Europe)
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- Nov 16, 2012 7:12 pm GMT
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- Nov 16, 2012 9:34 pm GMT
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Check mySHAFTout.[QUOTE="conkertheking1"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]Sure kid.
Now go play on your 2K$ PC.
[/QUOTE] problems being had? i always lol at goldeneye fans thinking they know anything about fps. Second they play another fps they think it's bad because they don't seem to realize they have terrible handeye coordination for tracking/reflex aiming. Oh and I do love dem old games, provided they aged properly, and goldeneye is the perfect example for a game that hasn't aged properly. [/QUOTE] your just mad cause you suck at golden eye[/QUOTE] i've played it for 45 minutes it's not even possible to be bad at goldeneye it's an autospray game- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 17, 2012 1:27 am GMTNo he's right you suck in Goldeneye and FPS in general, your Quake videos prooved it. Next time you should using Oddjob, he's the perfect charracter for low skilled player like you, then you have a good opportonity to win a multiplayer match against you buddies.JigglyWiggly_ wrote:i've played it for 45 minutes it's not even possible to be bad at goldeneye it's an autospray gameconkertheking1 wrote:your just mad cause you suck at golden eyeJigglyWiggly_ wrote:problems being had? i always lol at goldeneye fans thinking they know anything about fps. Second they play another fps they think it's bad because they don't seem to realize they have terrible handeye coordination for tracking/reflex aiming. Oh and I do love dem old games, provided they aged properly, and goldeneye is the perfect example for a game that hasn't aged properly.
Quake basically has the same AI like Goldeneye and most others 90s FPS: enemy detects you, is not abble to take cover and firing at you. Seriously you complaing about escort missions? Sure Quake does a better job.... moment...... Quake has escort missions?
[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="conkertheking1"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] problems being had? i always lol at goldeneye fans thinking they know anything about fps. Second they play another fps they think it's bad because they don't seem to realize they have terrible handeye coordination for tracking/reflex aiming. Oh and I do love dem old games, provided they aged properly, and goldeneye is the perfect example for a game that hasn't aged properly. [/QUOTE] your just mad cause you suck at golden eye[/QUOTE] i've played it for 45 minutes it's not even possible to be bad at goldeneye it's an autospray game[/QUOTE]No he's right you suck in Goldeneye and FPS in general, your Quake videos prooved it. Next time you should using Oddjob, he's the perfect charracter for low skilled player like you, then you have a good opportonity to win a multiplayer match against you buddies.
Quake basically has the same AI like Goldeneye and most others 90s FPS: enemy detects you, is not abble to take cover and firing at you. Seriously you complaing about escort missions? Sure Quake does a better job.... moment...... Quake has escort missions?:lol:
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- Nov 17, 2012 2:46 am GMTrilpas wrote:I still say it's funny that apparently telling someone to take posts like the 4 posts before this one to systerm wars is not okay I guess this is the sort of discussion everyone wants on these boards?
The topic title invites it.
"Best FPS before the arrival of Halo CE?" is basically the OP saying "Halo is the best FPS evaaaar, but what was there before the greatest?"
And also dedicated FPS gamers tend to be the most er.. opinionated. If you want to see the hairy underbelly of people who honestly believe they're the gaming equivalents of Jesus then make a topic about FPS's and watch the dellusion floooowww.
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[QUOTE="rilpas"]I still say it's funny that apparently telling someone to take posts like the 4 posts before this one to systerm wars is not okay I guess this is the sort of discussion everyone wants on these boards?[/QUOTE]
The topic title invites it.
"Best FPS before the arrival of Halo CE?" is basically the OP saying "Halo is the best FPS evaaaar, but what was there before the greatest?"
And also dedicated FPS gamers tend to be the most er.. opinionated. If you want to see the hairy underbelly of people who honestly believe they're the gaming equivalents of Jesus then make a topic about FPS's and watch the dellusion floooowww. :)
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