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While he has points and I agree with half of it, parts of it really irk me. He acts at one point like it is just frikkin great that companies are making mini game compilations, health and fitness games, and so on. It is not great. I don't give a damn about those. I DO care about the high budget ZombiU game though. Of course I can appreciate somewhat lower budget games like NSMBU (looks awesome) and Rayman Legends. I own Torchlight 2 and other lower budget games. That is all well and good, but to act like graphics don't matter and we should just make piece of crap games, is unnacceptable. And to act like the Wii offered enough innovation to make up for it's poor hardware is laughable. So let me get this straight, in this bad economy, I WANT to pay $250 for a gamecube with motion controls? Don't be stupid.

What it all comes down to though is if I like the games or not. The WiiU looks very promising so far, but I hope Zelda and metroid see a return to their former glory and base in exploratoin. if this happens I will be more than happy to support the WiiU (I already am considering it, but cannot pre-order anymore).

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This text translates to "they don't make the type of games I want = crap"

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pretty much this... XD

this guy is the new jason guy of the nintendo forums..

locopatho comes close too but luckily he stays away.

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Why do you hate me? I express an opinion about a console I want to buy and I get hated on for any critiqueing and discussion. Should I just throw my money at Nintendo without even thinking?

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Why do you hate me? I express an opinion about a console I want to buy and I get hated on for any critiqueing and discussion. Should I just throw my money at Nintendo without even thinking?

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your the only one who acts like this...on a consistant basis.. you stand out... i'm sorry... you and jasonguy.

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ON a board full of fanboys, I may come across as a hater, but what I really am is realistic. I am not even saying everything I say is right, I am discussing things. I want to hear peoples feelings and opinions on the matter, rather than being bashed for my own.

I just see things he put in his article and it almost sounds like he thinks things like voice acting are poor decisions. Maybe I am misunderstanding what the author means, but he came across like that. If he thinks Nintendo can't afford to, maybe he should talk to indie devs of Torchlight 2 or Path of Exile. I mean I understand not going overboard on all the titles and such. Mario doesn't need VA. 2D mario doesn't need crazy graphics (love NSMBU graphics). Smash Bros doesn't need tons of cinematics. I get that, but I do want HD. I do want Zelda and Metroid to push the quality and yes it will require more money.

There is need for both. But if noone pushes tech or developes for it, it will never progress. And Iwata says he loves nice graphics and all, but that he needs to wait for it to make sense to use them. Well if everyone took Iwata's stance, graphics would never progress.

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And if everyone just took the stance of graphics is king, games would never progress. Like I said in my first post, that stuff doesn't come free and the more a game cost the more it has to sell. Cant exactly make that risky game or try anything innovative, when 5 million copies has to be a guarantee at full price out the gate. The idea of just throwing tech at a wall and seeing what sticks, is nothing but a pretty dead end for gaming.

And I would have to agree with SuperFlakeman, the people on this board are not the only people to play games. Go out into the general population and ask if they like Assassin's Creed or Mass Effect and you'll get a blank stare. Some people like to play Wii Sports or Guitar Hero or whatever as much as some like to play CoD. There always has been and always will be enough room for both types to exist, as long as gaming doesn't become to big to support its own weight. You think by adding more tech, you'll get more Halo, Zelda etc. The reality is you'll get less, and things like Zelda will need even more mass appeal so they don't go broke making it.

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While you are right and I agree with you, you must also agree that if no one pushes graphcis and developes for advanced tech, graphics would not be progressing or getting cheaper to develope with?

Wii sports and all those other more casual games are fine. Make them. That is fine and dandy. But as you pointed out, both need to exist. I don't care if there is casual games. I like some of them myself. But if I had to live on them and the gaming industry focused on them, I would be very sad. I am a gamer. And there is a market for gamers. If everyone goes casual, they will all lose. Just as if everyone goes hardcore, they will all lose. We do need the mix, I agree, I just don't think beautiful graphics, voice, acting, and all that wonderful stuff, is always the enemy here. I am pretty sure none of us played Resident Evil 4 for the first time and said "omg, this is disgusting! How could they put so much effort into graphics!? And what is this high presentation value? I need to stop right now!"

As I said above, not all games need VA. Not all games need story. Not all games need scenes. Not all games need mind blowing graphics. BUT it is nice to see this stuff in titles that deserve it. Zelda, Metroid and more, are those titles. That doesn't mean I am only interested in those. I am excited for NSMBU and Rayman Legends. I am anticipating the indie title Grim Dawn (on PC) by the makers of Titan Quest. But I need my Zelda, Metroid, ZombiU and more, and I would like to see them stay current. I would like to see them with all the polish and beauty.

And I hate it when people act like graphcis don't matter and never add anything to gameplay. They do matter and can add to gameplay. But again, as I said above, certain things matter more for certain games.

PS - This is also why devs like Epic and Valve are smart. Source and Unreal allow for devs to crank out nice looking experiences with less work and therefore less money.

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]When were graphics ever not advancing? MS and Sony made an insane jump, before it became cost effective to do so. No one is saying graphic tech should stagnate(at least I'm not) but it needs to be controlled burst, so that the quality of games don't suffer for the sake of a prettier picture. People don't seem to appreciate the long term effect of doing that. I would say where graphics are now is fine, I mean look at your sig and you really think a large jump is necessary at this point? That's on current gen tech and the Wii U is capable of more, would you not consider that "polish and beauty"? They are trying to make an open world MGS game, you think they would try that if it cost 4x as much make, even before marketing? I don't think so. [/QUOTE]

I willl list some points here (some of which I am not 100% sure I am right on)

1. Current gen tech...yes...not the Wii. If PS and Xbox didn't push tech and have devs using it for developement, do you really think it would have been cost effective for Nintendo to jump on board now, or would it just have prolonged the same outcome (more or less)? If no one is using it, the companies won't make it, and the developers won't learn it. Someone has to pioneer.
2. Where the heck did I say that my sig is not polish and beauty enough? It looks AMAZING. THough don't kid yourself, it is likely running on PC, so the WiiU could match that more or less I expect.
3. I am not bashing the WiiU, saying I am dissapointed with it, or saying that we should make $1000 consoles with $80 games. I am just syaing, I don't think all of the articles points make sense, and that at times, the author comes off as if voice acting, nice graphics, and so on, are just too much most of the time, which is not the case.

Bottom line is I think everyone has some points here, and we all want to see good games. I THINK the WiiU will deliver, though I am waiting to see. I still want to get one soon, and am very hyped for NSMBU, ZombiU and just the system in general :).