- Nov 15, 2012 4:22 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="white_sox"][QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"]
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I'll take Cabrera as the MVP.
He was blistering hot when it mattered and he was by far the most consistent hitter between the two. His worst month of the year (.298/.368/.571) came in April, while Trout's came in August (.284./.366/.500) and September (.257/.380/.455). The OBP is within .06 points of one another, even though Cabrera has over 60 more ABs. Cabrera had 20 more extra base hits while striking out 40 fewer times. I can confidently say that the #1 reason the Tigers made it to the playoffs this year was Cabrera, especially the way he performed down the stretch. Even with Trout, who came back to reality in the last two months, still didn't make the playoffs. Of course the argument could be made that he didn't play the first month and if he had...well, no you can't assume what he would have done.
I don't think anyone who votes for Trout is wrong, as an argument could be made for either guy. I just don't think the clear cut winner is Trout because his WAR is XX. I would vote Cabrera 1, Trout 2, and probably Beltre 3.
[/QUOTE] I get Verducci saying that he cooled off in the most important time, but if the angel's management hadn't been so damn retarded, then maybe they never get off to that horrible start, and the Angels win the west. The angels won more games than the tigers, plain and simple. The tigers didn't win the central, the white sox lost it. And Miggy's season wasn't even that good in comparison to other seasons that weren't "triple crown." I think that voting somebody the mvp because of a fictional title like a triple crown is retarded. BTW, Matt Kemp almost won it last year. What would the "writers" have done had he gotten just a few more hits? "Derr he finished last!!!!" The inconsistency bothers the hell out of me. I'm not saying Miggy isn't deserving, but people voting him because of a "triple crown" is just stupid.
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I agree that voting for him simply because he won the triple crown is silly. However, I do think that the triple crown is an amazing feat and it is pretty rare when the best pure hitter in baseball can also lead the league in bombs. I know people boil down RBIs to the point of just situational stats, but the runs still have to be driven in. People make a career in baseball just with their ability to be a situational hitter.
[/QUOTE] And Trout drove in 86 as a leadoff hitter, while missing an entire month. Just as impressive as whatever Miggy's totals were. The problem I have with voters is their inconsistency. Kemp came OH so close to a triple crown last year, and was one homer away from 40-40. What if Kemp had gotten a few more hits throughout the season, would they have still voted Braun MVP even though Kemp won the triple crown? No. So either decide that it is for best player, or best player on a playoff team. Not either or, pick ONE, and stick to it. Stop waffling so that a Texas A-Rod wins one year, and then a 2011 Ryan Braun wins the next. Yes, I am still upset that Kemp was robbed last year of his award.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 15, 2012 5:17 pm GMT[QUOTE="JML897"]
[QUOTE="white_sox"]
I can confidently say that the #1 reason the Tigers made it to the playoffs this year was Cabrera
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It's more because our White Sox choked the division away and couldn't beat the f*cking Royals for the life of them.
[/QUOTE] This and the fact the Tigers benefitted from playing in the AL Central because both the Angels and Rays had better records. The Rangers had a better record but had to play a one game playoff. lol- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 15, 2012 6:16 pm GMT
I would have given it to Trout, but I could see some cases for Cabrera that don't involve the triple crown. He did lead the league in OPS and sluggin, he played his best baseball down the stretch, and missed only one game all year. Now as to if his arguably superior offensive game should preveil over Trout's indisputably better fielding and baserunning, I don't think so. But with the way awards have been historcal decided, I can't put this in the "robbery" catagory that i'd put something like Pedro's 1999 snub in.
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- Nov 15, 2012 8:59 pm GMT
And on the seventh day, God rested. Having created the heavens and the Earth, the seas and all they contain, He ceased all labors. But the seventh day being a Sunday, and with all of His fantasy teams playing, He needed a shortstop. So God created Derek Jeter, and blessed him, and said unto him, be fruitful. And Jeter was good. Jeter held dominion over opposing pitchers (.343 AVG in 2006), was plentiful in power (14 HR and 97 RBIs), and moved over the earth (34 steals) and across home plate (118 runs). And God blessed Jeter, and sanctified him, and said to Roto owners everywhere, make Jeter your No. 1 middle infielder.
It is what it is. Giants keep collecting hardware.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 16, 2012 6:45 am GMT
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That guy who voted Beltre 2nd voted Albert Pujols 6th. What?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 16, 2012 11:29 am GMT
Reported: Jays ink Melky. 2yr/16mil.
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Still waiting for the Arencebia deal to happen. Apparently they're open for business.
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- Nov 16, 2012 12:28 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="Namgis"]Reported: Jays ink Melky. 2yr/16mil.
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Still waiting for the Arencebia deal to happen. Apparently they're open for business.
[/QUOTE] Melk Man should consider himself lucky as heck. Getting 8 million a year after what happened, he should count his lucky stars. Plus, after Edwin Encarnacion and Jose Bautista, there is a chance he can hit just as well, and if he does, well, he'll get way more in the form of an extension. Hitters just turn things around when they go to Toronto. Good deal for him, although I wanted the Yankees to get him. Never expected it though. I hope Swisher is gone, he has been really bad the past few years, mainly in the playoffs. If I was him I would take a paycut to stay in NY, but he doesn't seem willing to do that, so peaaacee bro.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 16, 2012 2:36 pm GMT
I wish I could net 16 million for cheating...
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- Nov 16, 2012 3:09 pm GMT
And on the seventh day, God rested. Having created the heavens and the Earth, the seas and all they contain, He ceased all labors. But the seventh day being a Sunday, and with all of His fantasy teams playing, He needed a shortstop. So God created Derek Jeter, and blessed him, and said unto him, be fruitful. And Jeter was good. Jeter held dominion over opposing pitchers (.343 AVG in 2006), was plentiful in power (14 HR and 97 RBIs), and moved over the earth (34 steals) and across home plate (118 runs). And God blessed Jeter, and sanctified him, and said to Roto owners everywhere, make Jeter your No. 1 middle infielder.
[QUOTE="yokofox33"]I wish I could net 16 million for cheating...
[/QUOTE] 1st transgression needs to be 1 year out.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Nov 16, 2012 3:56 pm GMT
[quote="Topic Title"]Toronto Blue Jays sign Miguel Cabrera for 2 year, 16 mill[/quote]
What a bargain!
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- Nov 16, 2012 4:08 pm GMTHa, they wish!!!Oleg_Huzwog wrote:Topic Title wrote:Toronto Blue Jays sign Miguel Cabrera for 2 year, 16 mill
What a bargain!
And on the seventh day, God rested. Having created the heavens and the Earth, the seas and all they contain, He ceased all labors. But the seventh day being a Sunday, and with all of His fantasy teams playing, He needed a shortstop. So God created Derek Jeter, and blessed him, and said unto him, be fruitful. And Jeter was good. Jeter held dominion over opposing pitchers (.343 AVG in 2006), was plentiful in power (14 HR and 97 RBIs), and moved over the earth (34 steals) and across home plate (118 runs). And God blessed Jeter, and sanctified him, and said to Roto owners everywhere, make Jeter your No. 1 middle infielder.
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[quote="Topic Title"]Toronto Blue Jays sign Miguel Cabrera for 2 year, 16 mill[/quote]
What a bargain!
[/QUOTE] Ha, they wish!!! :P
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- Nov 17, 2012 6:08 pm GMT
Apparently the Marlins have signed Juan Pierre.
Why anyone would sign with the Marlins is beyond my comprehension, but hey, it's better than having Logan Morrison in LF.
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- Nov 17, 2012 6:32 pm GMT
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Apparently the Marlins have signed Juan Pierre.
Why anyone would sign with the Marlins is beyond my comprehension, but hey, it's better than having Logan Morrison in LF.
[/QUOTE]It's too bad he's terrible. If he were merely average he'd be one of the most fun personalties in baseball.
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- Nov 17, 2012 6:50 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="yokofox33"]
Apparently the Marlins have signed Juan Pierre.
Why anyone would sign with the Marlins is beyond my comprehension, but hey, it's better than having Logan Morrison in LF.
[/QUOTE]It's too bad he's terrible. If he were merely average he'd be one of the most fun personalties in baseball.
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Who? Logan Morrison? He's been pretty awful, but has shown flashes of awesome. Hopefully a full, healthy year at his natural position (1B) will help his hitting.
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- Nov 17, 2012 11:07 pm GMTJandurin wrote:It felt generic.
[QUOTE="white_sox"]
I can confidently say that the #1 reason the Tigers made it to the playoffs this year was Cabrera, especially the way he performed down the stretch.
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hahahhhaha no.
the tigers made the playoffs because of their pitching. As a White Sox fan, that should be obvious to you.
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- Nov 17, 2012 11:46 pm GMT
[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]
[QUOTE="white_sox"]
I can confidently say that the #1 reason the Tigers made it to the playoffs this year was Cabrera, especially the way he performed down the stretch.
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hahahhhaha no.
the tigers made the playoffs because of their pitching. As a White Sox fan, that should be obvious to you.
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In the sense that 5 guys in the rotation are better than one? Oh sure, I'd agree with that.
You should be a GM.
I think the reason the Giants won was because of their 40 man roster.
I should also be a GM.
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- Nov 18, 2012 11:43 am GMTJandurin wrote:It felt generic.
[QUOTE="white_sox"]
[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]
[QUOTE="white_sox"]
I can confidently say that the #1 reason the Tigers made it to the playoffs this year was Cabrera, especially the way he performed down the stretch.
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hahahhhaha no.
the tigers made the playoffs because of their pitching. As a White Sox fan, that should be obvious to you.
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In the sense that 5 guys in the rotation are better than one? Oh sure, I'd agree with that.
You should be a GM.
I think the reason the Giants won was because of their 40 man roster.
I should also be a GM.
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No, in the sense that detroit's strength and the reason they caught the white sox in the standings and won the division was because of their pitching. It had very little to do with Cabrera's triple crown winning performance.
Trout deserved the MVP and it shouldn't have even been close. Out of touch baseball writers ignoring defense and instead choosing to award the winner of a rare statistical offensive accomplishment.
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- Nov 18, 2012 12:50 pm GMT
[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]
No, in the sense that detroit's strength and the reason they caught the white sox in the standings and won the division was because of their pitching. It had very little to do with Cabrera's triple crown winning performance.
Trout deserved the MVP and it shouldn't have even been close. Out of touch baseball writers ignoring defense and instead choosing to award the winner of a rare statistical offensive accomplishment.
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Oh in the sense that a whole group of five pitchers in a rotation is better than one hitter? Again, I agree. You are blowing my mind, but I think I understand man. The Tiger's rotation should be the MVP of the AL.
Cabrera killed it down the stretch, and specifically against the division leader (stats posted above). Trout cooled down and returned to earth when it mattered (again, as listed above). To say Cabrera had little to do with them winning the division is absolutely ignorant, one of the dumbest things I have read on this forum.
Trout was great, but everyone's definition of MVP is different. Writers don't just vote based on one someone's WAR.
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- Nov 18, 2012 1:02 pm GMTJandurin wrote:It felt generic.
[QUOTE="white_sox"]
[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]
No, in the sense that detroit's strength and the reason they caught the white sox in the standings and won the division was because of their pitching. It had very little to do with Cabrera's triple crown winning performance.
Trout deserved the MVP and it shouldn't have even been close. Out of touch baseball writers ignoring defense and instead choosing to award the winner of a rare statistical offensive accomplishment.
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Oh in the sense that a whole group of five pitchers in a rotation is better than one hitter? Again, I agree. You are blowing my mind, but I think I understand man. The Tiger's rotation should be the MVP of the AL.
Cabrera killed it down the stretch, and specifically against the division leader (stats posted above). Trout cooled down and returned to earth when it mattered (again, as listed above). To say Cabrera had little to do with them winning the division is absolutely ignorant, one of the dumbest things I have read on this forum.
Trout was great, but everyone's definition of MVP is different. Writers don't just vote based on one someone's WAR.
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typical sourh sider, struggles with reading comprehension.
The Tigers made the playoffs because of their strong pitching. Cabrera did not carry them to the playoffs. He was consistent throughout the year, it was their pitching that allowed them to pass the White Sox.
Every game is worth the same in the standings. Trout fading does not offset the huge defensive gap that exists between him and Cabrera. Trout does more to help his team win and put his team in a better position to win.
Cabrera voters argument involves the triple crown and making the postseason. Neither of those things should factor into the MVP vote. Dawson correctly won an MVP awawrd on a last place team. He was the best player that year and deserves that recognition.
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- Nov 18, 2012 1:29 pm GMT
And on the seventh day, God rested. Having created the heavens and the Earth, the seas and all they contain, He ceased all labors. But the seventh day being a Sunday, and with all of His fantasy teams playing, He needed a shortstop. So God created Derek Jeter, and blessed him, and said unto him, be fruitful. And Jeter was good. Jeter held dominion over opposing pitchers (.343 AVG in 2006), was plentiful in power (14 HR and 97 RBIs), and moved over the earth (34 steals) and across home plate (118 runs). And God blessed Jeter, and sanctified him, and said to Roto owners everywhere, make Jeter your No. 1 middle infielder.
[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]typical sourh sider, struggles with reading comprehension.
it was their pitching that allowed them to pass the White Sox.
[/QUOTE] That and a total collapse by the White Sox. Cabrera shouldn't get that much credit for "getting Detroit to the playoffs". [QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]Dawson correctly won an MVP award on a last place team. He was the best player that year and deserves that recognition.[/QUOTE] But then again, MVP isn't about the best player, but the most valuable. People have different definitions about what that is.
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