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Here we go again: French weekly publishes Mohammad cartoons

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    (Reuters) - French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo published cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad on Wednesday, a move criticised by the French authorities which sent riot police to protect the magazine's offices.

    Issues of the magazine hit newsstands with a front cover showing an Orthodox Jew pushing a turbaned figure in a wheelchair with several caricatures of the Prophet on its inside pages, including some of him naked.

    The front page cartoon had the wheelchair-bound figure saying "You mustn't mock" under the headline "Untouchable 2", a reference to a hugely popular French movie about a paralysed rich white man and his black assistant.

    The publication came amid widespread outrage over a short film, made with private funds in the United States, that mocks the Prophet and has ignited days of sometimes deadly protests in the Arab world, Africa, Asia and some Western countries.

    French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius criticised the move as a provocation and said he had ordered security beefed up at French diplomatic offices in the Muslim world.

    Charlie Hebdo's Paris offices were fire bombed last November after it published a mocking caricature of Mohammad. In 2005, Danish cartoons of the Prophet sparked a wave of violent protests across the Muslim world that killed at least 50 people.

    Many Muslims consider any representation of Allah or the Prophet Mohammad offensive.

    "Is it relevant and intelligent in this environment to add fuel to the fire? The answer is no," Fabius told France Info radio. "I'm very worried... and when I saw this I immediately issued instructions for special security precautions to be taken in all the countries where it could be a problem."

    The government has called for restraint over the cartoons, restating the principles of free speech in France and urging those shocked by the images to take action through the courts.

    Muslim leaders in France, which has Europe's largest Muslim population, have appealed for calm.

    As outrage over the anti-Muslim film continues to fuel violence and protests across the Islamic world, French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said the authorities had rejected a request to hold a march against the film in Paris.

    "There is no reason for us to allow conflicts that do not concern France to enter our country," Ayrault told RTL radio.

    Social media had circulated calls for a protest on Saturday against the film, after police arrested about 150 people who tried to take part in an unauthorised protest near the U.S. Embassy in Paris last week.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/uk-protests-france-idUKBRE88I0BS20120919

    some men just want to watch the world burn

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    Edited on Sep 19, 2012 7:20 am GMT

    (Reuters) - French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo published cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad on Wednesday, a move criticised by the French authorities which sent riot police to protect the magazine's offices.

    Issues of the magazine hit newsstands with a front cover showing an Orthodox Jew pushing a turbaned figure in a wheelchair with several caricatures of the Prophet on its inside pages, including some of him naked.

    The front page cartoon had the wheelchair-bound figure saying "You mustn't mock" under the headline "Untouchable 2", a reference to a hugely popular French movie about a paralysed rich white man and his black assistant.

    The publication came amid widespread outrage over a short film, made with private funds in the United States, that mocks the Prophet and has ignited days of sometimes deadly protests in the Arab world, Africa, Asia and some Western countries.

    French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius criticised the move as a provocation and said he had ordered security beefed up at French diplomatic offices in the Muslim world.

    Charlie Hebdo's Paris offices were fire bombed last November after it published a mocking caricature of Mohammad. In 2005, Danish cartoons of the Prophet sparked a wave of violent protests across the Muslim world that killed at least 50 people.

    Many Muslims consider any representation of Allah or the Prophet Mohammad offensive.

    "Is it relevant and intelligent in this environment to add fuel to the fire? The answer is no," Fabius told France Info radio. "I'm very worried... and when I saw this I immediately issued instructions for special security precautions to be taken in all the countries where it could be a problem."

    The government has called for restraint over the cartoons, restating the principles of free speech in France and urging those shocked by the images to take action through the courts.

    Muslim leaders in France, which has Europe's largest Muslim population, have appealed for calm.

    As outrage over the anti-Muslim film continues to fuel violence and protests across the Islamic world, French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said the authorities had rejected a request to hold a march against the film in Paris.

    "There is no reason for us to allow conflicts that do not concern France to enter our country," Ayrault told RTL radio.

    Social media had circulated calls for a protest on Saturday against the film, after police arrested about 150 people who tried to take part in an unauthorised protest near the U.S. Embassy in Paris last week.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/uk-protests-france-idUKBRE88I0BS20120919

    some men just want to watch the world burn

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    Sep 19, 2012 7:18 am GMT

    brb, making popcorn

    brb, making popcorn

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    Sep 19, 2012 7:25 am GMT
    Edited on Sep 19, 2012 7:30 am GMT
    I think praline made a topic about this yesterday. [url]http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29292268/charlie-hebdo-firebombed-last-year-opens-with-new-muhammed-cartoon-tomorrow[/url]
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    Sep 19, 2012 7:26 am GMT

    Many muslims need to grow some thicker skin and those of the anti-muslim persuasion need to stop acting stupid.

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    Many muslims need to grow some thicker skin and those of the anti-muslim persuasion need to stop acting stupid.

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    Sep 19, 2012 7:29 am GMT

    That picture is supposed to be offensive?

    That picture is supposed to be offensive?

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    Sep 19, 2012 7:38 am GMT
    Pirate700 wrote:

    That picture is supposed to be offensive?


    Seems easy to see why it would be largely offensive to certain groups. It shouldn't be a big deal in an ideal world.
    [QUOTE="Pirate700"]

    That picture is supposed to be offensive?

    [/QUOTE] Seems easy to see why it would be largely offensive to certain groups. It shouldn't be a big deal in an ideal world.
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    Sep 19, 2012 7:42 am GMT

    I don't understand whats wrong with drawing Muhammad, religions are mocked all the time.

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    I don't understand whats wrong with drawing Muhammad, religions are mocked all the time.

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    Sep 19, 2012 7:45 am GMT
    I bet he feels edgy.

    I bet he feels edgy. :roll:
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    On one hand, I think people in general need to take in to account cause and effect. This cartoon could cause some people to become violent. People should always be considering what the consequences of their actions are. On the other hand, we can't resort to going in to a blame-the-victim mentality. Someone has all the right in the world to make a cartoon like this, and if people react violently to it, that is them wronging and victimizing other people and not the other way around.

    On one hand, I think people in general need to take in to account cause and effect. This cartoon could cause some people to become violent. People should always be considering what the consequences of their actions are. On the other hand, we can't resort to going in to a blame-the-victim mentality. Someone has all the right in the world to make a cartoon like this, and if people react violently to it, that is them wronging and victimizing other people and not the other way around.

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    Sep 19, 2012 7:46 am GMT
    If people just ignored them everything would be good.
    But noooo~

    Anyway,I think that was a BIT childish.
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    If people just ignored them everything would be good. But noooo~ Anyway,I think that was a BIT childish.
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    Sep 19, 2012 7:46 am GMT

    _BlueDuck_ wrote:

    On one hand, I think people in general need to take in to account cause and effect. This cartoon could cause some people to become violent. People should always be considering what the consequences of their actions are. On the other hand, we can't resort to going in to a blame-the-victim mentality. Someone has all the right in the world to make a cartoon like this, and if people react violently to it, that is them wronging and victimizing other people and not the other way around.

    The whole point is the cartoon shouldn't make people violent. We can't just keep suppressing anything that could spark violent protests from Muslims forever. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.

    The problem is there is a large chunk of a religious group who believes "blasphemies" against their religion should be punished.

    Edited on Sep 19, 2012 7:48 am GMT

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    [QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

    On one hand, I think people in general need to take in to account cause and effect. This cartoon could cause some people to become violent. People should always be considering what the consequences of their actions are. On the other hand, we can't resort to going in to a blame-the-victim mentality. Someone has all the right in the world to make a cartoon like this, and if people react violently to it, that is them wronging and victimizing other people and not the other way around.

    [/QUOTE]

    The whole point is the cartoon shouldn't make people violent. We can't just keep suppressing anything that could spark violent protests from Muslims forever. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.

    The problem is there is a large chunk of a religious group who believes "blasphemies" against their religion should be punished.

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    Sep 19, 2012 7:51 am GMT
    haha

    Those guys had their offices fire-bombed less than a year ago for publishing a Muhammad cartoon. am a bit impressed they would still do it.
    haha Those guys had their offices fire-bombed less than a year ago for publishing a Muhammad cartoon. am a bit impressed they would still do it.
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    Sep 19, 2012 7:56 am GMT
    Mohammad is the new Garfield.

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    Mohammad is the new Garfield.
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    _BlueDuck_ wrote:

    On one hand, I think people in general need to take in to account cause and effect. This cartoon could cause some people to become violent. People should always be considering what the consequences of their actions are. On the other hand, we can't resort to going in to a blame-the-victim mentality. Someone has all the right in the world to make a cartoon like this, and if people react violently to it, that is them wronging and victimizing other people and not the other way around.

    It's a cartoon. You can't live life walking on egg shells because you may piss off a group of hyper sensitive nutjobs. Society shouldn't have to live in such fear that you can't make a cartoon in fear of violence.

    [QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

    On one hand, I think people in general need to take in to account cause and effect. This cartoon could cause some people to become violent. People should always be considering what the consequences of their actions are. On the other hand, we can't resort to going in to a blame-the-victim mentality. Someone has all the right in the world to make a cartoon like this, and if people react violently to it, that is them wronging and victimizing other people and not the other way around.

    [/QUOTE]It's a cartoon. You can't live life walking on egg shells because you may piss off a group of hyper sensitive nutjobs. Society shouldn't have to live in such fear that you can't make a cartoon in fear of violence.

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    Love it. Can anyone who speaks French translate?

    The difference between you and me? I run towards gunfire.

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    Love it. Can anyone who speaks French translate?

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    Wasdie wrote:

    _BlueDuck_ wrote:

    On one hand, I think people in general need to take in to account cause and effect. This cartoon could cause some people to become violent. People should always be considering what the consequences of their actions are. On the other hand, we can't resort to going in to a blame-the-victim mentality. Someone has all the right in the world to make a cartoon like this, and if people react violently to it, that is them wronging and victimizing other people and not the other way around.

    The whole point is the cartoon shouldn't make people violent. We can't just keep suppressing anything that could spark violent protests from Muslims forever. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.

    The problem is there is a large chunk of a religious group who believes "blasphemies" against their religion should be punished.

    Exactly. The problem is the people who get overly offended by this. Not the cartoon.

    [QUOTE="Wasdie"]

    [QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

    On one hand, I think people in general need to take in to account cause and effect. This cartoon could cause some people to become violent. People should always be considering what the consequences of their actions are. On the other hand, we can't resort to going in to a blame-the-victim mentality. Someone has all the right in the world to make a cartoon like this, and if people react violently to it, that is them wronging and victimizing other people and not the other way around.

    [/QUOTE]

    The whole point is the cartoon shouldn't make people violent. We can't just keep suppressing anything that could spark violent protests from Muslims forever. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.

    The problem is there is a large chunk of a religious group who believes "blasphemies" against their religion should be punished.

    [/QUOTE]Exactly. The problem is the people who get overly offended by this. Not the cartoon.

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    airshocker wrote:

    Love it. Can anyone who speaks French translate?

    "Must not laugh"

    [QUOTE="airshocker"]

    Love it. Can anyone who speaks French translate?

    [/QUOTE]"Must not laugh"

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    Wasdie wrote:

    _BlueDuck_ wrote:

    On one hand, I think people in general need to take in to account cause and effect. This cartoon could cause some people to become violent. People should always be considering what the consequences of their actions are. On the other hand, we can't resort to going in to a blame-the-victim mentality. Someone has all the right in the world to make a cartoon like this, and if people react violently to it, that is them wronging and victimizing other people and not the other way around.

    The whole point is the cartoon shouldn't make people violent. We can't just keep suppressing anything that could spark violent protests from Muslims forever. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.

    The problem is there is a large chunk of a religious group who believes "blasphemies" against their religion should be punished.

    I think of it in the same way people look at the issue of women who are sexually harassed for wearing suggestive/revealing clothing. Yes, on one hand, I think parading infront of a bunch of known rapists (or to be a bit more realistic, walking home in a bad neighbourhood alone at night) half-naked isn't a smart or good idea. But at the end of the day, the clothing choices of a woman shouldn't cause people to become sexual predators. The real problem isn't the expression of the woman (with her choice of clothing), but rather the people who react violently to it.

    Same things apply to this situation.

    Personally, I wonder. If this is the floodgates opening for common, open ridicule of Mohammad (say it becomes just as common as ridicule of Jesus), would everyone eventually calm down? Become desensitized to it? I can see offended communities every few years decide to get offended and start so protests, but if the offense is constant, will people really spend the rest of their lives outraged over simple, foreign cartoons or films that really have no effect on their lives?

    [QUOTE="Wasdie"]

    [QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

    On one hand, I think people in general need to take in to account cause and effect. This cartoon could cause some people to become violent. People should always be considering what the consequences of their actions are. On the other hand, we can't resort to going in to a blame-the-victim mentality. Someone has all the right in the world to make a cartoon like this, and if people react violently to it, that is them wronging and victimizing other people and not the other way around.

    [/QUOTE]

    The whole point is the cartoon shouldn't make people violent. We can't just keep suppressing anything that could spark violent protests from Muslims forever. Ignoring the problem won't make it go away.

    The problem is there is a large chunk of a religious group who believes "blasphemies" against their religion should be punished.

    [/QUOTE]

    I think of it in the same way people look at the issue of women who are sexually harassed for wearing suggestive/revealing clothing. Yes, on one hand, I think parading infront of a bunch of known rapists (or to be a bit more realistic, walking home in a bad neighbourhood alone at night) half-naked isn't a smart or good idea. But at the end of the day, the clothing choices of a woman shouldn't cause people to become sexual predators. The real problem isn't the expression of the woman (with her choice of clothing), but rather the people who react violently to it.

    Same things apply to this situation.

    Personally, I wonder. If this is the floodgates opening for common, open ridicule of Mohammad (say it becomes just as common as ridicule of Jesus), would everyone eventually calm down? Become desensitized to it? I can see offended communities every few years decide to get offended and start so protests, but if the offense is constant, will people really spend the rest of their lives outraged over simple, foreign cartoons or films that really have no effect on their lives?

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    Pirate700 wrote:
    It's a cartoon. You can't live life walking on egg shells because you may piss off a group of hyper sensitive nutjobs. Society shouldn't have to live in such fear that you can't make a cartoon in fear of violence.


    I don't think anyone is disputing that, but I think there is a difference between not being able to express an opinion versus being deliberately antagonistic. He has every right to make that cartoon, but I hope he is at least aware what he is doing has consequences for everyone. Obviously there is no satisfying extremists, but a normal Muslim would still be in there right to find the cartoon, and we really don't need any more divisive issues with the Muslim community at this point.

    [QUOTE="Pirate700"]It's a cartoon. You can't live life walking on egg shells because you may piss off a group of hyper sensitive nutjobs. Society shouldn't have to live in such fear that you can't make a cartoon in fear of violence.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone is disputing that, but I think there is a difference between not being able to express an opinion versus being deliberately antagonistic. He has every right to make that cartoon, but I hope he is at least aware what he is doing has consequences for everyone. Obviously there is no satisfying extremists, but a normal Muslim would still be in there right to find the cartoon, and we really don't need any more divisive issues with the Muslim community at this point.
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    _BlueDuck_ wrote:

    I think of it in the same way people look at the issue of women who are sexually harassed for wearing suggestive/revealing clothing. Yes, on one hand, I think parading infront of a bunch of known rapists (or to be a bit more realistic, walking home in a bad neighbourhood alone at night) half-naked isn't a smart or good idea. But at the end of the day, the clothing choices of a woman shouldn't cause people to become sexual predators. The real problem isn't the expression of the woman (with her choice of clothing), but rather the people who react violently to it.

    Same things apply to this situation.

    Personally, I wonder. If this is the floodgates opening for common, open ridicule of Mohammad (say it becomes just as common as ridicule of Jesus), would everyone eventually calm down? Become desensitized to it? I can see offended communities every few years decide to get offended and start so protests, but if the offense is constant, will people really spend the rest of their lives outraged over simple, foreign cartoons or films that really have no effect on their lives?

    LOL at your post. Victim-blaming makes me sick.

    [QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

    I think of it in the same way people look at the issue of women who are sexually harassed for wearing suggestive/revealing clothing. Yes, on one hand, I think parading infront of a bunch of known rapists (or to be a bit more realistic, walking home in a bad neighbourhood alone at night) half-naked isn't a smart or good idea. But at the end of the day, the clothing choices of a woman shouldn't cause people to become sexual predators. The real problem isn't the expression of the woman (with her choice of clothing), but rather the people who react violently to it.

    Same things apply to this situation.

    Personally, I wonder. If this is the floodgates opening for common, open ridicule of Mohammad (say it becomes just as common as ridicule of Jesus), would everyone eventually calm down? Become desensitized to it? I can see offended communities every few years decide to get offended and start so protests, but if the offense is constant, will people really spend the rest of their lives outraged over simple, foreign cartoons or films that really have no effect on their lives?

    [/QUOTE]LOL at your post. Victim-blaming makes me sick.

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