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In God We Trust vs E. Pluribus Unum

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The American Motto: Which One do you think represents the United States?
In God We Trust
20% [16]
E. Pluribus Unum
80% [63]
Total Votes: 79

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  • leviathan91
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 7:28 pm GMT

    I know, I know this is a random topic where we should be talking about chicken sandwiches and evil Muslims, and this question is probably very old and overdone. Or maybe not, I don't know.

    Personally, I feel the motto "In God We Trust" doesn't represent our country at all. It is the official motto only because it was done out of fear and to differentiate ourselves from the atheistic Soviet Union. Although "E. Pluribus Unum" was never our official motto but rather our de facto motto, I felt that it best represented our country, from the unity of the thirteen colonies to the melting pot of today.

    So OT what's your opinion?

    Edited on Aug 5, 2012 7:29 pm GMT


    "If you're going through hell, keep going." ~ Winston Churchill

    I know, I know this is a random topic where we should be talking about chicken sandwiches and evil Muslims, and this question is probably very old and overdone. Or maybe not, I don't know.

    Personally, I feel the motto "In God We Trust" doesn't represent our country at all. It is the official motto only because it was done out of fear and to differentiate ourselves from the atheistic Soviet Union. Although "E. Pluribus Unum" was never our official motto but rather our de facto motto, I felt that it best represented our country, from the unity of the thirteen colonies to the melting pot of today.

    So OT what's your opinion?

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  • l4dak47
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 7:29 pm GMT
    Yea, the "In god we trust" thing should be removed.
    Yea, the "In god we trust" thing should be removed.
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  • LJS9502_basic
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 7:30 pm GMT
    l4dak47 wrote:
    Yea, the "In god we trust" thing should be removed.

    Yeah but you're just an atheist waiting for genocide. I have that on good authority....>__>

    [QUOTE="l4dak47"]Yea, the "In god we trust" thing should be removed. [/QUOTE] Yeah but you're just an atheist waiting for genocide. I have that on good authority....>__>
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  • IronBeaver
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 7:31 pm GMT

    Remind me what the second means? Out of one, many?



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    Remind me what the second means? Out of one, many?

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  • l4dak47
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 7:32 pm GMT
    IronBeaver wrote:

    Remind me what the second means? Out of one, many?


    Out of many, one. iirc.
    [QUOTE="IronBeaver"]

    Remind me what the second means? Out of one, many?

    [/QUOTE] Out of many, one. iirc.
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  • frannkzappa
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 7:32 pm GMT

    IronBeaver wrote:

    Remind me what the second means? Out of one, many?

    essentialy.

    either way i think its dumb to tie a country down to one religion/god.

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    [QUOTE="IronBeaver"]

    Remind me what the second means? Out of one, many?

    [/QUOTE]

    essentialy.

    either way i think its dumb to tie a country down to one religion/god.

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  • iloverikku11
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 7:33 pm GMT

    royal-blue-community-flag-e-pluribus-anu

    Neither

    royal-blue-community-flag-e-pluribus-anu

    Neither

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  • LJS9502_basic
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 7:34 pm GMT
    IronBeaver wrote:

    Remind me what the second means? Out of one, many?


    I believe you have that backwards....

    [QUOTE="IronBeaver"]

    Remind me what the second means? Out of one, many?

    [/QUOTE] I believe you have that backwards....
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  • JohnF111
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 7:35 pm GMT
    I'll go with the second one, the one that was derived from a salad recipe.

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    I'll go with the second one, the one that was derived from a salad recipe.
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  • Zeviander
     
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    Considering that America was founded as a purely secular nation, "In God We Trust" pretty much violates the Constitution.

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    Considering that America was founded as a purely secular nation, "In God We Trust" pretty much violates the Constitution.
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  • LJS9502_basic
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 7:41 pm GMT
    Zeviander wrote:
    Considering that America was founded as a purely secular nation, "In God We Trust" pretty much violates the Constitution.

    The country was founded on religious freedom.

    [QUOTE="Zeviander"]Considering that America was founded as a purely secular nation, "In God We Trust" pretty much violates the Constitution.[/QUOTE] The country was founded on religious freedom.
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    Aug 5, 2012 7:53 pm GMT

    I think having a secular motto promotes religious freedom more, as it's nuetral and fair to people who don't believe in a god.

    I think having a secular motto promotes religious freedom more, as it's nuetral and fair to people who don't believe in a god.

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    LJS9502_basic wrote:
    The country was founded on religious freedom.

    And this differs from what I said, how? Religious freedom is a secular value.

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    [QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The country was founded on religious freedom.[/QUOTE] And this differs from what I said, how? Religious freedom is a secular value.
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    Aug 5, 2012 7:59 pm GMT

    Zeviander wrote:
    LJS9502_basic wrote:
    The country was founded on religious freedom.
    And this differs from what I said, how? Religious freedom is a secular value.

    People who try to use the fact that this country was founded on religious freedom as a way of promoting religion are missing the point, and can't understand how they've missed the point. Maybe that's a big reason why they are religious in the first place.

    [QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The country was founded on religious freedom.[/QUOTE] And this differs from what I said, how? Religious freedom is a secular value.[/QUOTE]

    People who try to use the fact that this country was founded on religious freedom as a way of promoting religion are missing the point, and can't understand how they've missed the point. Maybe that's a big reason why they are religious in the first place.

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  • LJS9502_basic
     
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    Phaze-Two wrote:

    Zeviander wrote:
    LJS9502_basic wrote:
    The country was founded on religious freedom.
    And this differs from what I said, how? Religious freedom is a secular value.

    People who try to use the fact that this country was founded on religious freedom as a way of promoting religion are missing the point, and can't understand how they've missed the point. Maybe that's a big reason why they are religious in the first place.


    Seems you missed the point...

    [QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

    [QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The country was founded on religious freedom.[/QUOTE] And this differs from what I said, how? Religious freedom is a secular value.[/QUOTE]

    People who try to use the fact that this country was founded on religious freedom as a way of promoting religion are missing the point, and can't understand how they've missed the point. Maybe that's a big reason why they are religious in the first place.

    [/QUOTE] Seems you missed the point...
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    Aug 5, 2012 8:09 pm GMT

    LJS9502_basic wrote:
    Zeviander wrote:
    Considering that America was founded as a purely secular nation, "In God We Trust" pretty much violates the Constitution.
    The country was founded on religious freedom.

    yeah for christian sects.

    i can guarantee you they wanted nothing to do with Jews/Hindus/Muslims.

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    "It isn't necessary to imagine the world ending in fire or ice. There are two other possibilities: one is paperwork, and the other is nostalgia."

    "One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds."

    The late, great Frank Zappa.

    [QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Zeviander"]Considering that America was founded as a purely secular nation, "In God We Trust" pretty much violates the Constitution.[/QUOTE] The country was founded on religious freedom.[/QUOTE]

    yeah for christian sects.

    i can guarantee you they wanted nothing to do with Jews/Hindus/Muslims.

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  • leviathan91
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 8:57 pm GMT

    frannkzappa wrote:

    LJS9502_basic wrote:
    Zeviander wrote:
    Considering that America was founded as a purely secular nation, "In God We Trust" pretty much violates the Constitution.
    The country was founded on religious freedom.

    yeah for christian sects.

    i can guarantee you they wanted nothing to do with Jews/Hindus/Muslims.

    This is true. Those who professed another religion or faith were miniscule in the colonies. Still, religion was never mentioned in the Constitution other than that there would be no religious test. Also, "Under God" was added to the Declration of Indepdence during the 1950s and "In God We Trust" was added after the horrors of the Civil War, to show the unity of this country.


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    [QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

    [QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Zeviander"]Considering that America was founded as a purely secular nation, "In God We Trust" pretty much violates the Constitution.[/QUOTE] The country was founded on religious freedom.[/QUOTE]

    yeah for christian sects.

    i can guarantee you they wanted nothing to do with Jews/Hindus/Muslims.

    [/QUOTE]

    This is true. Those who professed another religion or faith were miniscule in the colonies. Still, religion was never mentioned in the Constitution other than that there would be no religious test. Also, "Under God" was added to the Declration of Indepdence during the 1950s and "In God We Trust" was added after the horrors of the Civil War, to show the unity of this country.

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  • CycleOfViolence
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 9:07 pm GMT

    E pluribus unum.

    I'll take our first motto over the one adopted at the height of the Second Red Scare.

    Edited on Aug 5, 2012 9:10 pm GMT

    E pluribus unum.

    I'll take our first motto over the one adopted at the height of the Second Red Scare.

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  • Rhazakna
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 9:08 pm GMT
    Religion vs statism. It's a battle with no winners. Both define America, unfortunately.

    "The freedom of "the people" is not my freedom!" Max Stirner

    Religion vs statism. It's a battle with no winners. Both define America, unfortunately.
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  • J-man45
     
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    Aug 5, 2012 9:11 pm GMT

    Obviously E. Pluribus Unum represents the country better, although I wish In God We Trust did.

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    Obviously E. Pluribus Unum represents the country better, although I wish In God We Trust did.

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