- Apr 6, 2011 7:23 pm GMT


[QUOTE="elbert_b_23"]the sad thing about this is that really this isn't hurting sony but there it is hurting the users but anonymous is to stupid to realize that[/QUOTE]
This.
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- Apr 6, 2011 7:36 pm GMTRPGAddict4Ever wrote:
i'm a loser. I'm ugly, worthless and stupid. i thought that maybe, just maybe someone would like me.
RPGAddict4Ever wrote:a lot of my threads were created when i was drunk and/or high
I am all for creative people developing new content, expressing themselves, and finding new uses for tech. But Anon isn't doing this to open a door, they're doing this to be obnoxious, and because they can. Calling them "impressive"... well... Let's take a look at that word...
McCarthyism? Impressive.
Nazi Germany? Impressive.
Stalinist Russia? Impressive.
Iran-Contra? Impressive.
9-11? Impressive.
All of these events were amazing mobilizations of thought and deed. The efficiency and "success" boggles the mind. Lots of things, when viewed without a trace of morality, can be described by that word. But the fact is, when innocents are harmed they are still monstrous and unconscionable, and in no way excusable by any stretch of the imagination.
Please read the above sentences again, because I don't want anyone getting in my face and saying what these guys are doing is nothing like what happened in Germany or Russia or NYC.
I'M WELL AWARE OF THAT FACT.I would never trivialize anything I have listed above. I'm pointing out that being "impressed" by these actions is perhaps not what you meant to say. I'm not "impressed" by these murderous, horrible events I listed above because they effected my life directly. I lost family to the Nazi regime, and I lost six close friends on the NYFD when a building fell on them and drove them and the Hook & Ladder engine they were in seven floors into the ground, not to be found for months and when they did, it was only parts. Not even enough to bury, of some.
Hacking a PS3 doesn't take a life (yet), but the truth is that a PS3 has a powerful enough processor that it could be used for something as atrocious as guiding an ICBM. We're not talking about that (yet), but what we are discussing here, is a rebel faction which will not free us but bring further sanctions and invasive control into our gaming lives, and perhaps further. They need your support but when the dust settles, you can bet dolloars to donuts you won't have theirs. By stirring this hornet nest for no good reason past perceived consumer fraud, they will increase Big Brother's hold, just as the 9-11 attack succeeded in hampering and out-right destroying any freedoms the American people still had with the Patriot Act. Bush and his reprobates swiftly used that disaster to gain a footing in further control and invasion of the common US citizen's life. So now, in order to fly on a plane you have to go through "personal inspections", being touched in places reserved for a lover, and even "low" amounts of radiation administered to your body so that a stranger can see your wife or daughter's naked body in startling detail. Security cameras watch your every move. Dogs sniff your luggage. Police are allowed new liberties for temporary "check stations" and spot-inspections to investigate your business in a given neighborhood without showing just cause... All they need is suspicion, which they already have in truck-loads. The terror attacks gave them this power, they wear it as a flipping badge of honor and they screw with people openly and without justification falling back on 9-11 to excuse their own criminal behaviour and snooping.
This doesn't bother the terrorist groups of the world one little bit. THEY aren't getting stripped, THEY aren't getting bombarded with radiation. And THEIR governing body isn't crushing down on them whilst calling it "protecting freedom".
Sony will take this attack and put a yellow ribbon on it, and hold it up as reason to hike prices, cut services, and generally muck the whole thing up for the consumer, calling it "protection". They'll take your rights away, and hand you **** calling it Chocolate.
We, the average consumer, are the ones who will pay for this fracas. Not the hackers. We're the ones who will have DRM to deal with, and inspections of our hard drives without our knowledge, and on and on... These hackers are giving Sony exactly what they need: A Boogie Man to point the finger at.
"Impressive" or not, these people are not your friends, they're extremely talented, bored, and starved for attention. They're hanging you out to dry, calling you and me "collateral damage" like they're in an action film... Treating it like a Holy War, when in reality, a lot of us don't WANT to be "saved" from the Big-Bad called Sony. We don't fear a video game maker.
We know there are much, MUCH more insidious things out there in the world.
MUCH. WORSE.
Why not help us out with the new Stalins, Hitlers, George W.'s? Why not put that amazing intellect to work on something that matters? Because at the end of the day, video games and home electronics just aren't that important. Not when the US detains world citizens without Habeas Corpus. Not when genocide and decades of brutal warlord control threaten Africa's future, and rightful place at the table of Global Economics. Not when...
... not when PEOPLE are suffering, and dying, for **** sake.
Respect to you and your families, all.
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- Apr 6, 2011 7:53 pm GMT

MonkeySpot, are you an English major by any chance? :P
I tend to lose motivation around the 3rd paragraph but you, man, something else.
I agree of course and honestly I think this whole idea/situation has be blown up to a scale of which it really doesn't deserve to be. Taking anonymous(I'm gonna stop capitalizing their name from now, until I feel they've earned it back)seriously, especially when their backing up someone like "GeoHot", is a joke in and of itself. Hiding behind freedom of speech/expression is a real wasted effort considering that those "rights" are threaten by other things going on, not this PS3 hacking and jailbreak crap. Pretentious douchebags posing as fighting for the people, give me a break.:roll:
And that's pretty much all the **** I can give about this topic anymore.
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- Apr 6, 2011 8:26 pm GMTRPGAddict4Ever wrote:
i'm a loser. I'm ugly, worthless and stupid. i thought that maybe, just maybe someone would like me.
RPGAddict4Ever wrote:a lot of my threads were created when i was drunk and/or high
[QUOTE="anime_gamer007"]
MonkeySpot, are you an English major by any chance? :P
I tend to lose motivation around the 3rd paragraph but you, man, something else.
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*Deep Bow*
Thank you. I'm no thinker, simply a humble sound engineer with a typing hand that can drone on for hours (and I'm sorry, to those who bristle at seeing my name in a thread, knowing the King James Bible of text walls is coming to their discussion...)
:lol:
I want the tools to be in the right hands, to create a better tomorrow - Or just a better "Angry Birds" - For all of us in the gaming community. The problem I see here is that this group (or individual who wants friends but has to make them up) is jumping the wrong hedge, and urinating in the wrong bowl of Wheaties. And sacrificing us as a community pawn in their game of "Hey Look What I Can Do".
An open system of development akin to Windows 7 or Android would be a wonderful thing, as some folks like 'twenty have pointed out... And I agree. But the seperate issue of these hackers attacking Sony, muddling with PSN UK (if the problem is indeed them, and not just a coincidental occurance) does nothing for you and me, it just gets their name in print and makes them into something they're SO not; Celebrity.
Paris Hilton at least had the courtesy to get naked in order to get anyone to pay her some attention...
... these guys won't even pony up their real NAMES.
I have new respect for Ms. Hilton, after watching the cowardly actions and reading the pumped-up pony-loaf words of these two-bit punks.
:lol:
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- Apr 6, 2011 8:37 pm GMT
they just struck again now there now tax on EVERYTHING in the psn store
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i come to chew bubblegem and kick ass and i am all out of gum[QUOTE="starboy11"]they just struck again now there now tax on EVERYTHING in the psn store
[/QUOTE] when i got my ps3 back in January this year everything was taxed and it pissed me off but then in feb i saw they took off the tax- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Apr 6, 2011 9:01 pm GMT
Just read this in the article on the front page:
"Anonymous is not attacking the PSN at this time," the update reads. "Sony's official position is that the PSN is undergoing maintenance. We realize that targeting the PSN is not a good idea. We have therefore temporarily suspended our action, until a method is found that will not severely impact Sony customers."
"Anonymous is on your side, standing up for your rights," the message continues. "We are not aiming to attack customers of Sony. This attack is aimed solely at Sony, and we will try our best to not affect the gamers, as this would defeat the purpose of our actions. If we did inconvenience users, please know that this was not our goal."
It's nice to see that at least one of them has common sense. I still don't agree with what they are trying to do, but I am very much relieved to see them realize and acknowledge that their current methods weren't going to do anything but hurt the rest of us.
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- Apr 6, 2011 9:05 pm GMT------
Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior.Today is victory over yourself of yesterday;tomorrow is your victory over lesser men.
i come to chew bubblegem and kick ass and i am all out of gumAnonymous is full of s*** the only side they are on is hackers and cheaters i doubt that is what most gamers want to be- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Apr 6, 2011 9:30 pm GMT
Hmm, since money controls EVERYTHING in this world, i have to wonder, which of the two has more money? Annonymous or Sony....hmm......Yeah, im not worried lol., if they even do some how "Get back" at Sony, Sony will just tear them a new....you know what.....
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[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]
Just read this in the article on the front page:
"Anonymous is not attacking the PSN at this time," the update reads. "Sony's official position is that the PSN is undergoing maintenance. We realize that targeting the PSN is not a good idea. We have therefore temporarily suspended our action, until a method is found that will not severely impact Sony customers."
"Anonymous is on your side, standing up for your rights," the message continues. "We are not aiming to attack customers of Sony. This attack is aimed solely at Sony, and we will try our best to not affect the gamers, as this would defeat the purpose of our actions. If we did inconvenience users, please know that this was not our goal."
It's nice to see that at least one of them has common sense. I still don't agree with what they are trying to do, but I am very much relieved to see them realize and acknowledge that their current methods weren't going to do anything but hurt the rest of us.
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I doubt it's possible to "attack" Sony without harming any of its constituents/stakeholders. Anon will end up hurting "innocents," even if it's to the slightest of degrees, regardless of what they do.
And even if their actions won't hurt those anon is "allegedly" fighting for directly, Sony will undoubtedly be forced to take certain "defensive measures" (PSN related or otherwise), which will only burden the consumers.
sigh...
I can't predict the future... but I simply can't imagine anything good coming from their self-serving BS, NOT-cleverly disguised as "retribution."
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- The second sentence refers only to consumers, unlike the first one. **Edit's not working for some reason.
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- Apr 7, 2011 12:28 am GMT

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]
[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] The lot of these guys aren't *ahem" programmers, though. Most of them are just spammers and trolls. A few of them come up with a way to hurt somebody and the rest of them fall in line posting information, spamming websites, trolling youtube videos, and making nasty phone calls like a bunch of mindless drones who can't think or act by themselves. They aren't standing up for anything. They are just conforming to a different system. I think its pretty pathetic.
[/QUOTE] I don't think it's pathetic at all. Look at what we're doing right now. We're talking about them. As are a ton of other internet communities. News sources are reporting their actions and they're garnering attention as well as support. You can insult them all you want, but they've succeeded, at least in part, by creating a buzz around their actions. They are a known threat and are being acknowledged. So whatever the issues are or whomever you're siding with is irrelevant. They're doing what they set out to do and I think it's pretty impressive from that standpoint. If I launched some sort of anti-Sony attack you certainly wouldn't hear about it and I wouldn't have much of an effect. [/QUOTE] Yeah, its pretty awesome that they annoy the hell out of people to get their way. My five year old does that everyday. I agree that it is something to be commended that they can band together like that and do what they set out to do, but there are better ways of getting things done. Hiding in the shadows and doing random things to irk people isn't awesome. Its stupid. And its not going to change anything.
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Well, to you it isn't.
Listen, I'm not saying that I'm gonna go out and destroy Sony's servers. I'm just saying that from a programmer's standpoint, and having the experience in hacking that Anonymous has, I think their act is somewhat impressive. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna go out and join them.
To people like us, it's awesome. Sorry, but it is.
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- Apr 7, 2011 6:19 am GMTGone.
I wonder how many PS3 users that usually support Anon are now against them because they might actually get effected by this for once.
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- Apr 7, 2011 6:51 am GMT
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[QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]
I am all for creative people developing new content, expressing themselves, and finding new uses for tech. But Anon isn't doing this to open a door, they're doing this to be obnoxious, and because they can. Calling them "impressive"... well... Let's take a look at that word...
McCarthyism? Impressive.
Nazi Germany? Impressive.
Stalinist Russia? Impressive.
Iran-Contra? Impressive.
9-11? Impressive.
All of these events were amazing mobilizations of thought and deed. The efficiency and "success" boggles the mind. Lots of things, when viewed without a trace of morality, can be described by that word. But the fact is, when innocents are harmed they are still monstrous and unconscionable, and in no way excusable by any stretch of the imagination.
Please read the above sentences again, because I don't want anyone getting in my face and saying what these guys are doing is nothing like what happened in Germany or Russia or NYC.
I'M WELL AWARE OF THAT FACT.
I would never trivialize anything I have listed above. I'm pointing out that being "impressed" by these actions is perhaps not what you meant to say. I'm not "impressed" by these murderous, horrible events I listed above because they effected my life directly. I lost family to the Nazi regime, and I lost six close friends on the NYFD when a building fell on them and drove them and the Hook & Ladder engine they were in seven floors into the ground, not to be found for months and when they did, it was only parts. Not even enough to bury, of some.
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No, impressed is exactly what I meant to say. You ARE comparing these hackers with murderous terrorists. In fact, you go on to make direct analogies to the terrorists. And that is simply far too extreme an analogy in this case. And seriously, the PS3's processor can guide an ICBM? What does that have to do with anything? There are more far more powerful processors in the world and you think someone's going to manipulate a gaming system for something like that? That, quite frankly, is absurd. You could say the same thing about any computer.
Furthermore, you can complain about all the stuff Sony will potentially do after they actually do it. Before then, it's just speculation and there's no reason to think it's even going to get to that point. Prolexic has always been one step ahead of Anon and I doubt they'll get much farther than they usually do against them.
You're talking about collateral damage and them hanging me out to dry but apart from having to manually sign into PSN, I haven't been affected at all. So I could care less what they're trying to do and I can be impressed with them all I want from being able to do what they've done so far. Don't try and guilt trip me into saying otherwise, this is NOT like 9/11, this is NOT like Nazi Germany and this is NOT like Stalinist Russia. This is about video games and electronics. That's all. Not oppressing and murdering a group of people. You can say "don't jump down my throat for making the comparison" but you're entire post is LADEN with such comparisons. There is no comparison to be made. It's a completely different situation.
You seem to be the one getting riled up about Anonymous, which is exactly what they want you to do. You're claiming that they're wasting their time attacking something as ridiculous as video game company. But what are you doing? You're sitting their complaining about them doing so. Isn't that JUST as much a waste of time? Whether you realize it or not, you and the dozens of other people complaining about Anon are only fueling the fire they made. The truth of the matter is Prolexic will probably keep them at bay and keep them from doing any serious damage. And yet, people are still giving them attention. That's the waste of time right there.
Last time I checked, PSN wasn't down. Some of Sony's webpages are down for "maintenance" but apart from that, nothing serious has happened yet. So there's nothing to complain about. And there really isn't any reason to think that it'll get much worse apart from a few threats that are being made by Anon.
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