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  • Level 33
    Goombella
    Posts: 2786
    Mar 8, 2010 10:31 am GMT

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    If there's one thing that Indie Games have delivered on in their brief public existence, it is allowing players more accesibility to a myriad of games which push the envelope on creativity, thinking outside the box, and in re-inventing new takes on old games.  In fact, a whole series of non-games have hit XBL which unlike the standard game, REQUIRE the player to create their own worlds to play in.  Great examples have included Ezmuze+ Hampst3r edition (music creator) and myFishtank (fishtank creator) among others.

     

    Along these lines, Kodu Game Lab is like nothing else out there.   Kodu is basically a set of tools for the player to create their own game.  The success of the game lies in its versitility, and equally the eventual failure of the game will come down to the limitations that such a game-creator device will inevitably present.

    http://download.xbox.com.edgesuite.net/content/xna/assets/5855024C_World/screen1_Web.jpg

     

    While the brief tutorial will give you clues as how to program a small habitated world, getting the Kodu from A to B, you will soon find yourself creating a world from scratch with the high hopes of finally creating that dream game of yours.

     

    In general, the basics of game design are fairly simple to get acclimated to.  You can create and paint terrain to your linking, insert items and characters, all choosing from an initially decent variety of subjects and ****.  The art ****is all of one cloth, so while you can choose from a variety of different color patterns and objects, all will look as if they're of the same general world.  At this point its pretty easy to get started creating the setting/world in which your game will take place.

     

    The challenges begin with object programming, which is probably no big surprise.  Behaviors are notoriously challenging to make work right, and while Kodu does have some helpful hints for you, you may feel like you're working for long hours at simple behavior construction.  For example, its easy enough to create a playable character and plot out some enemies.  It becomes much more difficult  to make the enemies act right - so while perhaps you want them to pursue you within a certain distance, it is fairly simple to create an enemy which will ram you non-stop and won't then switch to a different script to then circle you.  This is really where you'll put in long hours trying to get the behaviors just right, as in most game programming.  Getting the enemy to be challinging but not too challenging, not to self-destruct, to approach the player correctly, not to continutally do action 1 when you want to switch to action 2 - all take A LOT of time to get right.  Thankfully, it is fairly easy to set hit points, weapon damage, character speeds - but all will require massive amounts of tinkering to finally get an enemy to behave like you'd want, and even then you'll bump into the limitations of the game.

     

    http://download.xbox.com.edgesuite.net/content/xna/assets/5855024C_World/screen2_Web.jpg 

    (This picture shows a character script set)

     

    The first main limitation is the number of insertible objects and enemies into the game.  While there are a number of these to pick from, the set will limit what you can insert - so for instance if you want to have a Viking in your game, you sadly cannot - but you can choose form a Kodu, a turtle, fish, and some others. And of course you cannot really change the look of anything in the game other than its basic color.

     

    The second main limitation is in the scripting. There are only a set of possible actions available for any object, and while they are enough for you to script a decent shooter for instance, creating a role-playing game, or even something totally new will likely not be in the cards.  To interact with objects, you can shoot, eat, or carry them - but creating a dialogue script is not really possible for instance.

     

    And the third main limitation is the available size of the data of any creatable world.  Each world can only be filled with so much information, and even if you're creating a simple adventure game, you'll likely find that after mapping out a few arenas and a dozen or so enemies along with perhaps some trees or rocks, you'll quickly be running out of storage space which will severely cramp your ****if you like creating massive worlds.

     

    http://download.xbox.com.edgesuite.net/content/xna/assets/5855024C_World/screen4_Web.jpg

     

    With all of that said, it's really quite impressive to see so many options available in a pretty accesible format.  Perhaps the best example of what Kodu can do is in the pre-generated worlds created by the Kodu team.  In a simple parusal, you'll find Space Invaders ****shooters, a simple platformer, and other arcade derivations - all pretty simple for sure, but seeing the flexibility of the world creator is definitely impressive.  On top of that, you can share or download other player's creations, which is exactly what makes this game a pretty solid playable game - i mean what would be the fun of spending hours on a game and not being able to share it right?  

     

    Bottom line, Kodu Game Lab is surely an excellent game creator toolset for the money (about $5) and will definitely keep you entertained as you seek to bring a material reality to the game you'd like to make.  While it definitely has its limitations, these are all the more evident by all the options you'll have in the first place - the more freedom you have, the more you can feel the ones you don't.  However, Kodu is clearly, despite its limitations, one of the best downloadable indie titles on XBL, and delivers not only an interesting toolset, but the promise of more player control.  By putting the tools in the hands of the plebs, those workers may just smash the machine and start creating their dreams... 

     

    Rating - 9/10 

    Edited on Mar 30, 2010 10:11 am GMT

    http://ui06.gamespot.com/357/sealofquality2_2.jpg 

    If there's one thing that Indie Games have delivered on in their brief public existence, it is allowing players more accesibility to a myriad of games which push the envelope on creativity, thinking outside the box, and in re-inventing new takes on old games.  In fact, a whole series of non-games have hit XBL which unlike the standard game, REQUIRE the player to create their own worlds to play in.  Great examples have included Ezmuze+ Hampst3r edition (music creator) and myFishtank (fishtank creator) among others.

     

    Along these lines, Kodu Game Lab is like nothing else out there.   Kodu is basically a set of tools for the player to create their own game.  The success of the game lies in its versitility, and equally the eventual failure of the game will come down to the limitations that such a game-creator device will inevitably present.

    http://download.xbox.com.edgesuite.net/content/xna/assets/5855024C_World/screen1_Web.jpg

     

    While the brief tutorial will give you clues as how to program a small habitated world, getting the Kodu from A to B, you will soon find yourself creating a world from scratch with the high hopes of finally creating that dream game of yours.

     

    In general, the basics of game design are fairly simple to get acclimated to.  You can create and paint terrain to your linking, insert items and characters, all choosing from an initially decent variety of subjects and ****.  The art ****is all of one cloth, so while you can choose from a variety of different color patterns and objects, all will look as if they're of the same general world.  At this point its pretty easy to get started creating the setting/world in which your game will take place.

     

    The challenges begin with object programming, which is probably no big surprise.  Behaviors are notoriously challenging to make work right, and while Kodu does have some helpful hints for you, you may feel like you're working for long hours at simple behavior construction.  For example, its easy enough to create a playable character and plot out some enemies.  It becomes much more difficult  to make the enemies act right - so while perhaps you want them to pursue you within a certain distance, it is fairly simple to create an enemy which will ram you non-stop and won't then switch to a different script to then circle you.  This is really where you'll put in long hours trying to get the behaviors just right, as in most game programming.  Getting the enemy to be challinging but not too challenging, not to self-destruct, to approach the player correctly, not to continutally do action 1 when you want to switch to action 2 - all take A LOT of time to get right.  Thankfully, it is fairly easy to set hit points, weapon damage, character speeds - but all will require massive amounts of tinkering to finally get an enemy to behave like you'd want, and even then you'll bump into the limitations of the game.

     

    http://download.xbox.com.edgesuite.net/content/xna/assets/5855024C_World/screen2_Web.jpg 

    (This picture shows a character script set)

     

    The first main limitation is the number of insertible objects and enemies into the game.  While there are a number of these to pick from, the set will limit what you can insert - so for instance if you want to have a Viking in your game, you sadly cannot - but you can choose form a Kodu, a turtle, fish, and some others. And of course you cannot really change the look of anything in the game other than its basic color.

     

    The second main limitation is in the scripting. There are only a set of possible actions available for any object, and while they are enough for you to script a decent shooter for instance, creating a role-playing game, or even something totally new will likely not be in the cards.  To interact with objects, you can shoot, eat, or carry them - but creating a dialogue script is not really possible for instance.

     

    And the third main limitation is the available size of the data of any creatable world.  Each world can only be filled with so much information, and even if you're creating a simple adventure game, you'll likely find that after mapping out a few arenas and a dozen or so enemies along with perhaps some trees or rocks, you'll quickly be running out of storage space which will severely cramp your ****if you like creating massive worlds.

     

    http://download.xbox.com.edgesuite.net/content/xna/assets/5855024C_World/screen4_Web.jpg

     

    With all of that said, it's really quite impressive to see so many options available in a pretty accesible format.  Perhaps the best example of what Kodu can do is in the pre-generated worlds created by the Kodu team.  In a simple parusal, you'll find Space Invaders ****shooters, a simple platformer, and other arcade derivations - all pretty simple for sure, but seeing the flexibility of the world creator is definitely impressive.  On top of that, you can share or download other player's creations, which is exactly what makes this game a pretty solid playable game - i mean what would be the fun of spending hours on a game and not being able to share it right?  

     

    Bottom line, Kodu Game Lab is surely an excellent game creator toolset for the money (about $5) and will definitely keep you entertained as you seek to bring a material reality to the game you'd like to make.  While it definitely has its limitations, these are all the more evident by all the options you'll have in the first place - the more freedom you have, the more you can feel the ones you don't.  However, Kodu is clearly, despite its limitations, one of the best downloadable indie titles on XBL, and delivers not only an interesting toolset, but the promise of more player control.  By putting the tools in the hands of the plebs, those workers may just smash the machine and start creating their dreams... 

     

    Rating - 9/10 

  • Level 21
    Rescue Ranger
    Posts: 739
    Jan 23, 2011 12:31 pm GMT

    Well I finally tried this game, and I was surprised just how quickly I made a good map. I should send it to you sometime. You're on my friends list right? Have you ever tried clicking 'X' when holding an object? It allows you to add so much more to a certain character. I made a really awesome boss fight where is is a pushpad that fires an insane amount of slow moving blips, he fires a lot of slow moving rockets, and he has two wisps that encircle him. The two wisps follow him everywhere and if you get close to the wisps they will attack you.

    Another hint is look at the levels the game has made. These are fairly fun to play, and you can actually figure out how to work everything, like using vehicles and such. A fun game for me, though little big planet 2 just came out so I know I'm saving up for the ps3 : D

    Well I finally tried this game, and I was surprised just how quickly I made a good map. I should send it to you sometime. You're on my friends list right? Have you ever tried clicking 'X' when holding an object? It allows you to add so much more to a certain character. I made a really awesome boss fight where is is a pushpad that fires an insane amount of slow moving blips, he fires a lot of slow moving rockets, and he has two wisps that encircle him. The two wisps follow him everywhere and if you get close to the wisps they will attack you.

    Another hint is look at the levels the game has made. These are fairly fun to play, and you can actually figure out how to work everything, like using vehicles and such. A fun game for me, though little big planet 2 just came out so I know I'm saving up for the ps3 : D

  • Level 33
    Goombella
    Posts: 2786
    Jan 24, 2011 7:56 am GMT
    Rickystickyman wrote:

    Well I finally tried this game, and I was surprised just how quickly I made a good map. I should send it to you sometime. You're on my friends list right? Have you ever tried clicking 'X' when holding an object? It allows you to add so much more to a certain character. I made a really awesome boss fight where is is a pushpad that fires an insane amount of slow moving blips, he fires a lot of slow moving rockets, and he has two wisps that encircle him. The two wisps follow him everywhere and if you get close to the wisps they will attack you.

    Another hint is look at the levels the game has made. These are fairly fun to play, and you can actually figure out how to work everything, like using vehicles and such. A fun game for me, though little big planet 2 just came out so I know I'm saving up for the ps3 : D

    man i haven't played this game forever. i'll open it up! can we trade games/maps? that'd be interesting i think... i'll try  

    [QUOTE="Rickystickyman"]

    Well I finally tried this game, and I was surprised just how quickly I made a good map. I should send it to you sometime. You're on my friends list right? Have you ever tried clicking 'X' when holding an object? It allows you to add so much more to a certain character. I made a really awesome boss fight where is is a pushpad that fires an insane amount of slow moving blips, he fires a lot of slow moving rockets, and he has two wisps that encircle him. The two wisps follow him everywhere and if you get close to the wisps they will attack you.

    Another hint is look at the levels the game has made. These are fairly fun to play, and you can actually figure out how to work everything, like using vehicles and such. A fun game for me, though little big planet 2 just came out so I know I'm saving up for the ps3 : D

    [/QUOTE]

    man i haven't played this game forever. i'll open it up! can we trade games/maps? that'd be interesting i think... i'll try  

  • Level 21
    Rescue Ranger
    Posts: 739
    Jan 24, 2011 12:35 pm GMT
    Yeah there are a lot of techniques I figured out to make interesting enemies.
    Yeah there are a lot of techniques I figured out to make interesting enemies.
  • Level 33
    Goombella
    Posts: 2786
    Jan 24, 2011 1:34 pm GMT

    Rickystickyman wrote:
    Yeah there are a lot of techniques I figured out to make interesting enemies.

    i made some Tron-like worlds involving a shooting mechanic. not big but interesting 

    [QUOTE="Rickystickyman"]Yeah there are a lot of techniques I figured out to make interesting enemies.[/QUOTE]

    i made some Tron-like worlds involving a shooting mechanic. not big but interesting 

  • Level 21
    Rescue Ranger
    Posts: 739
    Jan 24, 2011 5:09 pm GMT
    Yes I successfully made a top screen shooter that has boss battles, and actually works! I finally figured out how to have a lot of enemies on the map at once.
    Yes I successfully made a top screen shooter that has boss battles, and actually works! I finally figured out how to have a lot of enemies on the map at once.
  • Level 33
    Goombella
    Posts: 2786
    Jan 26, 2011 8:51 am GMT
    oh it looks like my old saved worlds are all gone. i must have deleted them at some point long past. too bad!

    oh it looks like my old saved worlds are all gone. i must have deleted them at some point long past. too bad!
  • Level 21
    Rescue Ranger
    Posts: 739
    Jan 26, 2011 1:08 pm GMT

    My top screen shooter is pretty beast so far. I have 4 waves so far.

    My top screen shooter is pretty beast so far. I have 4 waves so far.

  • Level 21
    Rescue Ranger
    Posts: 739
    Jan 26, 2011 3:02 pm GMT

    TechnologoDoom wrote:
    oh it looks like my old saved worlds are all gone. i must have deleted them at some point long past. too bad!

    That stinks. I forget what your account name is already for xboxlive. So far the game is you are a motorcycle in a small arena. There are two enemy spawn points that spawn enemies of different varieties. After every wave there is a boss battle related to that wave.

    Enemies so far:

    Blue fish: A medium speed fish that has 15 health. Fairly common

    Yellow fish: A fast fish that is a bit more rare, and has 10 health.

    Red mine: A floating, slow moving enemy that will produce 1 blue mine. If it touches you it will blow up.

    Blue mine: The product of a red mine. It cannot produces mines. Same stats of the red mine.

    Red fish: These guys have 25 health, are bigger, and shoot a projectile once every second. Very annoying.

    Purple fish: A much smaller enemy that has only 5 health. It moves very fast, but is uncommon.

    Bosses:

    Red giant mine: This guy is big, and still slow. He fires a whole lot of slow moving blips which can be dangerous. He has 200 health.

    Blue giant mine: He fires at a slower rate of fire, but his shots can go farther and they deal more damage. He can also shoot rockets. 200 health.

    Giant orange fish: This guy floats in a giant circle. He produces yellow fish, and purple fish. Also he fires a constant supply of blips at you. After 20 seconds he will leave his path and swim around randomly. He will now shoot red wisps at you which will track you down and explode. After 20 seconds he will go back to swimming in a circle. He has 400 health.

    [QUOTE="TechnologoDoom"]oh it looks like my old saved worlds are all gone. i must have deleted them at some point long past. too bad![/QUOTE]

    That stinks. I forget what your account name is already for xboxlive. So far the game is you are a motorcycle in a small arena. There are two enemy spawn points that spawn enemies of different varieties. After every wave there is a boss battle related to that wave.

    Enemies so far:

    Blue fish: A medium speed fish that has 15 health. Fairly common

    Yellow fish: A fast fish that is a bit more rare, and has 10 health.

    Red mine: A floating, slow moving enemy that will produce 1 blue mine. If it touches you it will blow up.

    Blue mine: The product of a red mine. It cannot produces mines. Same stats of the red mine.

    Red fish: These guys have 25 health, are bigger, and shoot a projectile once every second. Very annoying.

    Purple fish: A much smaller enemy that has only 5 health. It moves very fast, but is uncommon.

    Bosses:

    Red giant mine: This guy is big, and still slow. He fires a whole lot of slow moving blips which can be dangerous. He has 200 health.

    Blue giant mine: He fires at a slower rate of fire, but his shots can go farther and they deal more damage. He can also shoot rockets. 200 health.

    Giant orange fish: This guy floats in a giant circle. He produces yellow fish, and purple fish. Also he fires a constant supply of blips at you. After 20 seconds he will leave his path and swim around randomly. He will now shoot red wisps at you which will track you down and explode. After 20 seconds he will go back to swimming in a circle. He has 400 health.

  • Level 33
    Goombella
    Posts: 2786
    Jan 27, 2011 8:00 am GMT

    DerridasRevenge

    yeah, shoot me your maps and i'll check them out sometime here 

    DerridasRevenge :)

    yeah, shoot me your maps and i'll check them out sometime here 

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