About ps3's blu-ray read speed being slow.....

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

the point is u can put the needed data on the dvd to the first layer so it is read fast and the 2nd layer data can be hdd cached making it faster then the ps3 at all times. that is why the ps3 usually has installs, because the needed data can either be always on the hdd or alaways be read of the disc.LibertySaint

By usually you mean the 4-5 games out of about 100?

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

ttobba07

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

[QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

blackace

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

are you serious?

[QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

blackace

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

Almost all 360 games are DL

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

rocoswav

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

are you serious?

Double layer is being able to read on both sides of the DVD. The DVD's are compressed. If I flip my DVD over on the other side, I don't think it'll play. Do you? Also, your link doesn't work.

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"]the point is u can put the needed data on the dvd to the first layer so it is read fast and the 2nd layer data can be hdd cached making it faster then the ps3 at all times. that is why the ps3 usually has installs, because the needed data can either be always on the hdd or alaways be read of the disc.asdasd

By usually you mean the 4-5 games out of about 100?

Most games on the PS3 have installs, they are just small and at the beginning. UNcharted and Heavenly Sword for instance

Only capcom and a game called Hot shots golf does large installs. I think GT 5 Prologue has on also if you don't download it from PSN

[QUOTE="rocoswav"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

blackace

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

are you serious?

Double layer is being able to read on both sides of the DVD. The DVD's are compressed. If I flip my DVD over on the other side, I don't think it'll play. Do you? Also, your link doesn't work.

dude he said double layer not dual layer

[QUOTE="rocoswav"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

blackace

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

are you serious?

Double layer is being able to read on both sides of the DVD. The DVD's are compressed. If I flip my DVD over on the other side, I don't think it'll play. Do you? Also, your link doesn't work.

You didn't just say that....

2 issues.

1. data can be placed in the faster section and they can place the cgi and audio in the slower section.

2. during loads the data can be in different location on the disc. for instance textures of one level could be also used in another level. unless there are multiple copies of those texture files it would be nessicary to move the laser to different locations on the disc. so the question is, What's the seek time of the ps3 compared to dvd?

[QUOTE="rocoswav"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

blackace

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

are you serious?

Double layer is being able to read on both sides of the DVD. The DVD's are compressed. If I flip my DVD over on the other side, I don't think it'll play. Do you? Also, your link doesn't work.

i don't know what to say except :lol:

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

ttobba07

This is true, but this thread is pointless in SW. In SW all the system's have horrible flaws, especially the PS3.

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="rocoswav"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

wdave92

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

are you serious?

Double layer is being able to read on both sides of the DVD. The DVD's are compressed. If I flip my DVD over on the other side, I don't think it'll play. Do you? Also, your link doesn't work.

dude he said double layer not dual layer

Dual layer and Double layer are the same thing.

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="rocoswav"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

wdave92

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

are you serious?

Double layer is being able to read on both sides of the DVD. The DVD's are compressed. If I flip my DVD over on the other side, I don't think it'll play. Do you? Also, your link doesn't work.

dude he said double layer not dual layer

Aaaahhh.. I got them mixed up. Yeah, I was thinking Dual Layer. Still if the Blu-Ray is supposely so much faster, why all the lag? Why do 5GB of data need to be put in a PS3 HDD so the game can be run with less lag and load times. There's obviously still an issue with the transfer rate of Blu-Ray, moreso then the XBox 360's DVD.

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Dual layer and Double layer are the same thing.BubbyJello

Well, that's what I was thinking. This is what I found.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_there_a_difference_between_double_layer_and_dual_layer_DVDs_or_are_those_just_different_terms_for_the_same_thing" title="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_there_a_difference_between_double_layer_and_dual_layer_DVDs_or_are_those_just_different_terms_for_the_same_thing">http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_there_a_difference_between_double_layer_and_dual_layer_DVDs_or_are_those_just_different_terms_for_the_same_thing

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"]the point is u can put the needed data on the dvd to the first layer so it is read fast and the 2nd layer data can be hdd cached making it faster then the ps3 at all times. that is why the ps3 usually has installs, because the needed data can either be always on the hdd or alaways be read of the disc.asdasd

By usually you mean the 4-5 games out of about 100?

You must not have a PS3.

[QUOTE="wdave92"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="rocoswav"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

blackace

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

are you serious?

Double layer is being able to read on both sides of the DVD. The DVD's are compressed. If I flip my DVD over on the other side, I don't think it'll play. Do you? Also, your link doesn't work.

dude he said double layer not dual layer

Aaaahhh.. I got them mixed up. Yeah, I was thinking Dual Layer. Still if the Blu-Ray is supposely so much faster, why all the lag? Why do 5GB of data need to be put in a PS3 HDD so the game can be run with less lag and load times. There's obviously still an issue with the transfer rate of Blu-Ray, moreso then the XBox 360's DVD.

double layer and dual layer are the same thing. you were thinking two sided

Aaaahhh.. I got them mixed up. Yeah, I was thinking Dual Layer. Still if the Blu-Ray is supposely so much faster, why all the lag? Why do 5GB of data need to be put in a PS3 HDD so the game can be run with less lag and load times. There's obviously still an issue with the transfer rate of Blu-Ray, moreso then the XBox 360's DVD.

blackace

They don't need installs. Developers just find different ways to do it I guess. Maybe there lazy *cough*capcom*cough*

Look at Uncharted, it had no load times during gameplay.

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="rocoswav"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

f50p90

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

are you serious?

Double layer is being able to read on both sides of the DVD. The DVD's are compressed. If I flip my DVD over on the other side, I don't think it'll play. Do you?

Aaaahhh.. I got them mixed up. Yeah, I was thinking Dual Layer. Still if the Blu-Ray is supposely so much faster, why all the lag? Why do 5GB of data need to be put in a PS3 HDD so the game can be run with less lag and load times. There's obviously still an issue with the transfer rate of Blu-Ray, moreso then the XBox 360's DVD.

blackace

There are a lot of "Why's" in this world, that logic prevails over. Why didn't that man look both ways before he crossed the street? Oh well, he should have.

WE Don't know why some things happen, you have to live with it.

It doesn't mean in this case the PS3 NEEDS it, we don't know. One could speculate as you are the "Why" the PS3 has installs, but the reality is Dev's are lazy or under HUGE time constraints.

There is no reason why the Xbox had inferior graphics to the PS2, but it did in certain cases, like

NEED FOR SPEED : HOT PURSUIT 2 OR METAL GEAR SOLID 2 : SUBSTANCE.

The point is, there are more issues at hand here, than you realize. One being these are 360 PORTS thrown on the pS3 in some cases, as well as Lazy or time constrained Devs.

BTW : Who's to say the PS3 version's RAN SLOWER than the 360 counter parts minus the installs? The DMC4 demo for both system's had obnoxious loading times (Well 3-5 seconds) for both consoles. Installs don't have to be a bad thing, but mandatory ones do kind of suck, but you're speculation to the WHY are off base.

2 issues.

1. data can be placed in the faster section and they can place the cgi and audio in the slower section.

2. during loads the data can be in different location on the disc. for instance textures of one level could be also used in another level. unless there are multiple copies of those texture files it would be nessicary to move the laser to different locations on the disc. so the question is, What's the seek time of the ps3 compared to dvd?

Ontain

360 seek time 250ms for SL 300ms for DL

ps3 seek time 300ms for SL 450ms for DL

It is slower in that aspect

Aaaahhh.. I got them mixed up. Yeah, I was thinking Dual Layer. Still if the Blu-Ray is supposely so much faster, why all the lag? Why do 5GB of data need to be put in a PS3 HDD so the game can be run with less lag and load times. There's obviously still an issue with the transfer rate of Blu-Ray, moreso then the XBox 360's DVD.

blackace

i think it is probably because there is much more area to cover.

You know what I'm thinking.....

Hardcoating, that feature alone is worth the investment in Blu-ray alone to me. Not one of my movies or games have a single scratch on them. Sony should be pimping the heck out of this feature. It's awesome, I don't even worry about my disks anymore.

Ok first off some terms for every one.

Dual Layer= 2 layers on a disc

Double Sided=one side has data and the other side has data

A Double sided dual layer disc holes 18 gigs. (this is something microsoft needs to do get tdk to use durabus on these discs and release dual layered double sided discs i dont need graphics on one side make the inner ring have a small graphic with name and they will fix all supposed data issues with one disc)

First off blu ray is simply FACTUALLY slower then DVD this is proven by the fact nearly ALL ps3 games use the hdd as a cache and some even HAVE to use it as an install base because streaming off the disc just isn't an option (any one that brings up uncharted do some research uncharted uses the hard drive as a cache puting information on it upto 5 minutes ahead of when its needed in the particular level you are in.

Consistant read speeds mean nothing unless the dvds read speed is about 10-20% slower then it is then it would mean something in terms of by and by preformance againest bluray, but its not making dvds faster.

P.S: a lil info when the next xbox is released and microsoft go's with blu ray it will be a 3-4x blu ray drive much faster then the 2x blu ray *blu ray by design ups in throughput much more then past disc formats, 3x and 4x is hella fast compared to dvds top read speed of 16x or so*

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"]the point is u can put the needed data on the dvd to the first layer so it is read fast and the 2nd layer data can be hdd cached making it faster then the ps3 at all times. that is why the ps3 usually has installs, because the needed data can either be always on the hdd or alaways be read of the disc.asdasd

By usually you mean the 4-5 games out of about 100?

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

ttobba07

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

Almost all 360 games are DL

[QUOTE="rocoswav"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

blackace

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

are you serious?

Double layer is being able to read on both sides of the DVD. The DVD's are compressed. If I flip my DVD over on the other side, I don't think it'll play. Do you? Also, your link doesn't work.

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="rocoswav"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

wdave92

Ok, so what you're saying is the 360's 12X DVD rom drive reads faster then Blu-Ray. I think everyone already knew this. None of the DVD's released on the XBox 360 are double_layered. Thanks for the info.

are you serious?

Double layer is being able to read on both sides of the DVD. The DVD's are compressed. If I flip my DVD over on the other side, I don't think it'll play. Do you? Also, your link doesn't work.

dude he said double layer not dual layer

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

2 issues.

1. data can be placed in the faster section and they can place the cgi and audio in the slower section.

2. during loads the data can be in different location on the disc. for instance textures of one level could be also used in another level. unless there are multiple copies of those texture files it would be nessicary to move the laser to different locations on the disc. so the question is, What's the seek time of the ps3 compared to dvd?

ttobba07

360 seek time 250ms for SL 300ms for DL

ps3 seek time 300ms for SL 450ms for DL

It is slower in that aspect

I believe that the seek is a bigger factor. this might be why we heard some developers say that they wrote the same data in many parts of the disc so that they would load faster. if it was just read speed it wouldn't be an issue since both are almost the same. but because the seek is slower you'd want the data to all be contiguous.

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

ttobba07

THe problem is that people are trained to just assume a bigger number automatically means better and they don't think that maybe a direct comparison isn't the smartest approach. So they hear DVD is 12x and BR is 2x and think "wow! DVD is 6x faster than BR. That sucks!" And then they go about their day in ignorance without bothering to do any research.

This is why we see so many people these days bashing console specs and trying to excuse the bashing by making direct PC comparisons. They bash console RAM despite the fact that consoles don't need anywhere close to the amount of RAM of a PC game, because the two machines were designed totally different. This happens all the time.

[QUOTE="ttobba07"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

2 issues.

1. data can be placed in the faster section and they can place the cgi and audio in the slower section.

2. during loads the data can be in different location on the disc. for instance textures of one level could be also used in another level. unless there are multiple copies of those texture files it would be nessicary to move the laser to different locations on the disc. so the question is, What's the seek time of the ps3 compared to dvd?

Ontain

360 seek time 250ms for SL 300ms for DL

ps3 seek time 300ms for SL 450ms for DL

It is slower in that aspect

I believe that the seek is a bigger factor. this might be why we heard some developers say that they wrote the same data in many parts of the disc so that they would load faster. if it was just read speed it wouldn't be an issue since both are almost the same. but because the seek is slower you'd want the data to all be contiguous.

I think that was more because they weren't using the hardware properly and not necessarily beause of the seek times. The only time I heard this was with Oblivion and they were just trying to port a PC/360 game to the PS3 without redoing the whole game. So it was just easier for them to get around the hardware differences by copying parts of the game onto the disk more than once.

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I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

ZIMdoom

THe problem is that people are trained to just assume a bigger number automatically means better and they don't think that maybe a direct comparison isn't the smartest approach. So they hear DVD is 12x and BR is 2x and think "wow! DVD is 6x faster than BR. That sucks!" And then they go about their day in ignorance without bothering to do any research.

This is why we see so many people these days bashing console specs and trying to excuse the bashing by making direct PC comparisons. They bash console RAM despite the fact that consoles don't need anywhere close to the amount of RAM of a PC game, because the two machines were designed totally different. This happens all the time.

the point is u can put the needed data on the dvd to the first layer so it is read fast and the 2nd layer data can be hdd cached making it faster then the ps3 at all times. that is why the ps3 usually has installs, because the needed data can either be always on the hdd or alaways be read of the disc.LibertySaint

Usually has installs? Aren't there only a couple of games that require installs?

the point is u can put the needed data on the dvd to the first layer so it is read fast and the 2nd layer data can be hdd cached making it faster then the ps3 at all times. that is why the ps3 usually has installs, because the needed data can either be always on the hdd or alaways be read of the disc.LibertySaint

The PS3 does NOT usually have installs.

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

ttobba07

They say that BR is slower than DvD. And it is. And because of the installs,made BR look crappy. But BR won. And now..... time for QQ. Or go back to CDs

The reason why the PS3 has slower load times is because the PS3's games are un-compressed, the 360 loads faster because the 360 is reading compressed data off the disc and letting the console de-compress it.Nagidar

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]The reason why the PS3 has slower load times is because the PS3's games are un-compressed, the 360 loads faster because the 360 is reading compressed data off the disc and letting the console de-compress it.HuusAsking

No clue, you'd have to ask devs that, maybe because the Cell sucks at that type of function, I have no clue dude.

You know what I'm thinking.....

Hardcoating, that feature alone is worth the investment in Blu-ray alone to me. Not one of my movies or games have a single scratch on them. Sony should be pimping the heck out of this feature. It's awesome, I don't even worry about my disks anymore.

EmperorSupreme

I second that. About 2 weeks ago this dude brought his 360 Call of Duty in to get the scatches out, I was like damn.

Yeah, the NEXT Xbox will pwn the PS3. Take that Sony.SolidTy

You just amitted that the 360 is garbage, you finally see the light now.

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I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

SolidTy

This is true, but this thread is pointless in SW. In SW all the system's have horrible flaws, especially the PS3.

What flaws does the PS3 have? I can name 10 360 flaws with not even thinging about the guestion.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="ttobba07"]

I read all this about ps3 bluray drive being slow. Lets compare the read rates.

Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

The ps3's constant read speed for SL and DL is faster then the average of 360's DL read speed. So what is with all this crap about ps3's read rate being slow.

CubanBlunt

This is true, but this thread is pointless in SW. In SW all the system's have horrible flaws, especially the PS3.

What flaws does the PS3 have? I can name 10 360 flaws with not even thinging about the guestion.

AAAE's.. Or lack there of.