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Sony widens PS3 marketing, to focus on blu-ray.
- May 9, 2007 1:28 pm GMT
**Ahahahaha ahaaahahaa!!!!!!!!**
Sounds like a good idea to me to push Blu-Ray I see it as a major selling point, but still the price needs to shift.
LOL at the spin though:
"The Wii was down 22%, and the Xbox 360 was down 12%, and we were up 2%," said Nguyen, citing U.S. statistics from NPD Funworld.
- May 9, 2007 2:48 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition. Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future. Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.
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Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox. The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.
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Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did. This gen is a whole new ballgame for games. Walk into any video game store. The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.
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It just started of course it lacks titles right now but Sony's first party will come around and they had many of the best games of last gen and probably the same this gen. This fall there will be a bunch of ecxcellent games coming out on the PS3, they need to focus on that.
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That's some pretty bold conjecture on your part Dvader.
There are actually just two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall, unfortunately for Sony, one of them is coming out for the X360. By the time the rest of the PS3 goodies come out sometime down the road, who will care anymore? By the time Halo 3 comes out, I highly doubt Sony will ever catch MS, let alone Nintendo, unless Sony comes out with something on par with redefining gaming forever which I just don't see happening at this point.
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Wow thats a fact now, can I try out your time machine some day please.
MGS4, Ratchet, Uncharted, Little Big Planet all have potential to be excellent, thats not including some other games that who knows how they turn out like Heavenly Sword and what not. Thats not including any of the third party games which Sony will have practically all the same ones as the 360.
I never said anyting about Sony catching up, they will most likely be third place.
- May 9, 2007 2:49 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="gaminggeek"]Sounds like a good idea to me to push Blu-Ray I see it as a major selling point, but still the price needs to shift.
LOL at the spin though:
"The Wii was down 22%, and the Xbox 360 was down 12%, and we were up 2%," said Nguyen, citing U.S. statistics from NPD Funworld.
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Woah what a makeover.
- May 9, 2007 3:34 pm GMTCarnageHeart wrote:Archangel3371 wrote:Meh. I'm more interested in hearing about a price cut or two then anything else. There are a few games I want to play that are available for it now and I know there will be some more in the future it's just that the darn thing is too expensive for me right now.
Yeah, I'm not a big believer in the power of advertising. If Sony wants to change anything right now, they need to chop the price. The PS3 is selling for 50% more than the premium (if not the luxury or whatever its called) X360 which makes most the choice of most single console owners looking for full games obvious.
The 14% sales tax we pay where I live isn't really doing me any favours either.
[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"][QUOTE="Archangel3371"]Meh. I'm more interested in hearing about a price cut or two then anything else. There are a few games I want to play that are available for it now and I know there will be some more in the future it's just that the darn thing is too expensive for me right now.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm not a big believer in the power of advertising. If Sony wants to change anything right now, they need to chop the price. The PS3 is selling for 50% more than the premium (if not the luxury or whatever its called) X360 which makes most the choice of most single console owners looking for full games obvious.
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The 14% sales tax we pay where I live isn't really doing me any favours either. :(
- May 9, 2007 3:40 pm GMT[QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]
I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition. Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future. Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.
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Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox. The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.
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Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did. This gen is a whole new ballgame for games. Walk into any video game store. The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.
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It just started of course it lacks titles right now but Sony's first party will come around and they had many of the best games of last gen and probably the same this gen. This fall there will be a bunch of ecxcellent games coming out on the PS3, they need to focus on that.
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That's some pretty bold conjecture on your part Dvader.
There are actually just two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall, unfortunately for Sony, one of them is coming out for the X360. By the time the rest of the PS3 goodies come out sometime down the road, who will care anymore? By the time Halo 3 comes out, I highly doubt Sony will ever catch MS, let alone Nintendo, unless Sony comes out with something on par with redefining gaming forever which I just don't see happening at this point.
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Wow thats a fact now, can I try out your time machine some day please.
MGS4, Ratchet, Uncharted, Little Big Planet all have potential to be excellent, thats not including some other games that who knows how they turn out like Heavenly Sword and what not. Thats not including any of the third party games which Sony will have practically all the same ones as the 360.
I never said anyting about Sony catching up, they will most likely be third place.
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Yes, I'll give you a lift in my time machine. We'll go to a time where people don't throw around descriptions of excellence around so freely.
Seriously, I don't know of any gamer who would describe any game in the Ratchet series as excellent. They're good, but excellence? Come the hell on.
I haven't seen anything that suggests that Heavenly Sword is going to live up to such lofty billing.
- May 9, 2007 4:24 pm GMT
Michael "Skitch" Schiciano - Blog
Support Indie Developers (and struggling game composers named Skitch
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Seriously, while I don't mind people having different opinons, could you please be less dismissive in your tone about this sort of thing?
- May 9, 2007 4:52 pm GMTSkylock00 wrote:Well, for one, he said that Ratchet had potential to be excellent, not that it will be. Furthermore, I found most of the games in the Ratchet series to be indeed excellent games in design, presentation, and style.MarcusAntonius wrote:Seriously, I don't know of any gamer who would describe any game in the Ratchet series as excellent. They're good, but excellence? Come the hell on.
Seriously, while I don't mind people having different opinons, could you please be less dismissive in your tone about this sort of thing?
Ok, I guess.
I know what he said Skylock, but you didn't read his post that I had replied to when he refers to a bunch of excellent games. That's what I referred to. I used the Ratchet series as an example. Why are you so hell bent on getting hung up on a minor detail? At the heart of my post, Ratchet has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
None of what you're saying changes the fact that my comments were dead-on. I get a bit agitated when people are so quick to assign greatness and excellence to anything the slightest bit pleasing to themselves. But if you really want to obsess over whatever else, so be it. Sensationalism bores me.
Guess we can check back later this year on how the newest Ratchet game release translates into PS3 sales. If it moves more PS3s, then fine, I stand corrected.
I'm not the one being dismissive here Skylock, its you who chooses to dismiss a valid point which is most unfortunate.
Edited on May 9, 2007 4:55 pm GMT Edited 2 total times.[QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]Seriously, I don't know of any gamer who would describe any game in the Ratchet series as excellent. They're good, but excellence? Come the hell on.[/QUOTE]Well, for one, he said that Ratchet had potential to be excellent, not that it will be. Furthermore, I found most of the games in the Ratchet series to be indeed excellent games in design, presentation, and style.
Seriously, while I don't mind people having different opinons, could you please be less dismissive in your tone about this sort of thing?
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Ok, I guess. :|
I know what he said Skylock, but you didn't read his post that I had replied to when he refers to a bunch of excellent games. That's what I referred to. I used the Ratchet series as an example. Why are you so hell bent on getting hung up on a minor detail? At the heart of my post, Ratchet has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
None of what you're saying changes the fact that my comments were dead-on. I get a bit agitated when people are so quick to assign greatness and excellence to anything the slightest bit pleasing to themselves. But if you really want to obsess over whatever else, so be it. Sensationalism bores me.
Guess we can check back later this year on how the newest Ratchet game release translates into PS3 sales. If it moves more PS3s, then fine, I stand corrected.
I'm not the one being dismissive here Skylock, its you who chooses to dismiss a valid point which is most unfortunate.
- May 9, 2007 5:03 pm GMT
Michael "Skitch" Schiciano - Blog
Support Indie Developers (and struggling game composers named Skitch
), and get PLANET PACHlNKO for WiiWare, only 500 Wii Points...or buyHot and Coldfor DSiWare![QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]I'm not the one being dismissive here Skylock, its you who chooses to dismiss a valid point.[/QUOTE]I did read his post back then, and one thing I noticed is that he never said they had a bunch of exclusive excellent games, which could mean that those excellent games included the likes of GTAIV and the likes.
Furthermore, Sony was responsible, both with internal development teams, and close 2nd party developers, for a strong number of excellent/great games in the past generation, and if those relationships and teams are retained during this generation, it isn't crazy to assume that they'll put out more games that are of a strong quality.
Your attempt to say that there's only two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall is just as much conjecture as Dvader saying that there are a bunch of excellent games coming out this fall, which means your argument has just as little weight as the one you are trying to contest, giving you little room to act as if you are somehow more right than Dvader is.
Dvader's initial stance was not that these games would make the PS3 push Halo like numbers, but simply that Sony is going to (probably) have a number of strong/excellent games this fall/winter, and instead of focusing on the Blu-Ray playback of the system, they should focus on those games being the selling point, which really means that he's more or less agreeing with the sentiment you set forth earlier when you mentioned that we should all shout out "It's the games, stupid!" to Sony, which is a mentality/viewpoint that I fully support as well, so I'm not being dismissive of anything on your stance. All I really did was emphasize how Dvader was talking about potential, and interjecting my own opinion regarding the Ratchet series.
I never said you were being dismissive, I just asked for you to have a less dismissive tone in your posting, which is a comment that is more dead-on, IMHO, than yours claiming that there are only two excellent games coming out on the PS3 this Fall/Winter, given that the accuracy of either yours or Dvader's predictions will be made clear after this fall comes around.
- May 9, 2007 7:00 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]I'm not the one being dismissive here Skylock, its you who chooses to dismiss a valid point.[/QUOTE]I did read his post back then, and one thing I noticed is that he never said they had a bunch of exclusive excellent games, which could mean that those excellent games included the likes of GTAIV and the likes.
Furthermore, Sony was responsible, both with internal development teams, and close 2nd party developers, for a strong number of excellent/great games in the past generation, and if those relationships and teams are retained during this generation, it isn't crazy to assume that they'll put out more games that are of a strong quality.
Your attempt to say that there's only two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall is just as much conjecture as Dvader saying that there are a bunch of excellent games coming out this fall, which means your argument has just as little weight as the one you are trying to contest, giving you little room to act as if you are somehow more right than Dvader is.
Dvader's initial stance was not that these games would make the PS3 push Halo like numbers, but simply that Sony is going to (probably) have a number of strong/excellent games this fall/winter, and instead of focusing on the Blu-Ray playback of the system, they should focus on those games being the selling point, which really means that he's more or less agreeing with the sentiment you set forth earlier when you mentioned that we should all shout out "It's the games, stupid!" to Sony, which is a mentality/viewpoint that I fully support as well, so I'm not being dismissive of anything on your stance. All I really did was emphasize how Dvader was talking about potential, and interjecting my own opinion regarding the Ratchet series.
I never said you were being dismissive, I just asked for you to have a less dismissive tone in your posting, which is a comment that is more dead-on, IMHO, than yours claiming that there are only two excellent games coming out on the PS3 this Fall/Winter, given that the accuracy of either yours or Dvader's predictions will be made clear after this fall comes around.
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Your awesome.
- May 9, 2007 7:02 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition. Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future. Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.
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Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox. The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.
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Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did. This gen is a whole new ballgame for games. Walk into any video game store. The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.
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It just started of course it lacks titles right now but Sony's first party will come around and they had many of the best games of last gen and probably the same this gen. This fall there will be a bunch of ecxcellent games coming out on the PS3, they need to focus on that.
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That's some pretty bold conjecture on your part Dvader.
There are actually just two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall, unfortunately for Sony, one of them is coming out for the X360. By the time the rest of the PS3 goodies come out sometime down the road, who will care anymore? By the time Halo 3 comes out, I highly doubt Sony will ever catch MS, let alone Nintendo, unless Sony comes out with something on par with redefining gaming forever which I just don't see happening at this point.
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Wow thats a fact now, can I try out your time machine some day please.
MGS4, Ratchet, Uncharted, Little Big Planet all have potential to be excellent, thats not including some other games that who knows how they turn out like Heavenly Sword and what not. Thats not including any of the third party games which Sony will have practically all the same ones as the 360.
I never said anyting about Sony catching up, they will most likely be third place.
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Yes, I'll give you a lift in my time machine. We'll go to a time where people don't throw around descriptions of excellence around so freely.
Seriously, I don't know of any gamer who would describe any game in the Ratchet series as excellent. They're good, but excellence? Come the hell on.
I haven't seen anything that suggests that Heavenly Sword is going to live up to such lofty billing.
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All three main Ratchet games have averaged around 90%, thats for the most part excellent when it comes to review scores, everything else is personal opinions, I think its excellent you dont oh well. The series has always been high quality, there is no evidence to suggest it will be otherwise now that its on the PS3.
- May 9, 2007 7:12 pm GMTSkylock00 wrote:I did read his post back then, and one thing I noticed is that he never said they had a bunch of exclusive excellent games, which could mean that those excellent games included the likes of GTAIV and the likes.MarcusAntonius wrote:I'm not the one being dismissive here Skylock, its you who chooses to dismiss a valid point.
Furthermore, Sony was responsible, both with internal development teams, and close 2nd party developers, for a strong number of excellent/great games in the past generation, and if those relationships and teams are retained during this generation, it isn't crazy to assume that they'll put out more games that are of a strong quality.
Your attempt to say that there's only two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall is just as much conjecture as Dvader saying that there are a bunch of excellent games coming out this fall, which means your argument has just as little weight as the one you are trying to contest, giving you little room to act as if you are somehow more right than Dvader is.
Dvader's initial stance was not that these games would make the PS3 push Halo like numbers, but simply that Sony is going to (probably) have a number of strong/excellent games this fall/winter, and instead of focusing on the Blu-Ray playback of the system, they should focus on those games being the selling point, which really means that he's more or less agreeing with the sentiment you set forth earlier when you mentioned that we should all shout out "It's the games, stupid!" to Sony, which is a mentality/viewpoint that I fully support as well, so I'm not being dismissive of anything on your stance. All I really did was emphasize how Dvader was talking about potential, and interjecting my own opinion regarding the Ratchet series.
I never said you were being dismissive, I just asked for you to have a less dismissive tone in your posting, which is a comment that is more dead-on, IMHO, than yours claiming that there are only two excellent games coming out on the PS3 this Fall/Winter, given that the accuracy of either yours or Dvader's predictions will be made clear after this fall comes around.
Actually, its not conjecture. MGS and GTA are far more high profile than Ratchet. How you can possibly overlook something so obvious is beyond me. How could me assessment not be accurate? I would say my statement has a lot more weight than you're willing to admit. Are you just making argument for the sake of keeping a discussion going, I'm confused here.
As far as these "excellent" games of the past that Sony collaborated on, what games would those be? I'm not saying they haven't done good work, but what system sellers has Sony produced?
You still misunderstand Dvader's initial stance, he's simply throwing out the term excellent without much to back it up on, which is exactly the point that you're not addressing very well. Dvader was clearly in disagreement with me as he named off a bunch of obscure games and a second tier series and calling them "excellent." That isn't agreement, or its just a terribly faulty premise at best which is the more likely scenario.
Ohter than that, you're repeating a lot of what I've said before and has been stated in this thread by others.
Wait a sec, so I have a dismissive tone because I disagree with someone?
[QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]I'm not the one being dismissive here Skylock, its you who chooses to dismiss a valid point.[/QUOTE]I did read his post back then, and one thing I noticed is that he never said they had a bunch of exclusive excellent games, which could mean that those excellent games included the likes of GTAIV and the likes.
Furthermore, Sony was responsible, both with internal development teams, and close 2nd party developers, for a strong number of excellent/great games in the past generation, and if those relationships and teams are retained during this generation, it isn't crazy to assume that they'll put out more games that are of a strong quality.
Your attempt to say that there's only two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall is just as much conjecture as Dvader saying that there are a bunch of excellent games coming out this fall, which means your argument has just as little weight as the one you are trying to contest, giving you little room to act as if you are somehow more right than Dvader is.
Dvader's initial stance was not that these games would make the PS3 push Halo like numbers, but simply that Sony is going to (probably) have a number of strong/excellent games this fall/winter, and instead of focusing on the Blu-Ray playback of the system, they should focus on those games being the selling point, which really means that he's more or less agreeing with the sentiment you set forth earlier when you mentioned that we should all shout out "It's the games, stupid!" to Sony, which is a mentality/viewpoint that I fully support as well, so I'm not being dismissive of anything on your stance. All I really did was emphasize how Dvader was talking about potential, and interjecting my own opinion regarding the Ratchet series.
I never said you were being dismissive, I just asked for you to have a less dismissive tone in your posting, which is a comment that is more dead-on, IMHO, than yours claiming that there are only two excellent games coming out on the PS3 this Fall/Winter, given that the accuracy of either yours or Dvader's predictions will be made clear after this fall comes around.
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Actually, its not conjecture. MGS and GTA are far more high profile than Ratchet. How you can possibly overlook something so obvious is beyond me. How could me assessment not be accurate? I would say my statement has a lot more weight than you're willing to admit. Are you just making argument for the sake of keeping a discussion going, I'm confused here.
As far as these "excellent" games of the past that Sony collaborated on, what games would those be? I'm not saying they haven't done good work, but what system sellers has Sony produced?
You still misunderstand Dvader's initial stance, he's simply throwing out the term excellent without much to back it up on, which is exactly the point that you're not addressing very well. Dvader was clearly in disagreement with me as he named off a bunch of obscure games and a second tier series and calling them "excellent." That isn't agreement, or its just a terribly faulty premise at best which is the more likely scenario.
Ohter than that, you're repeating a lot of what I've said before and has been stated in this thread by others.
Wait a sec, so I have a dismissive tone because I disagree with someone?:?
- May 9, 2007 7:44 pm GMTMarcusAntonius wrote:Skylock00 wrote:I did read his post back then, and one thing I noticed is that he never said they had a bunch of exclusive excellent games, which could mean that those excellent games included the likes of GTAIV and the likes.MarcusAntonius wrote:I'm not the one being dismissive here Skylock, its you who chooses to dismiss a valid point.
Furthermore, Sony was responsible, both with internal development teams, and close 2nd party developers, for a strong number of excellent/great games in the past generation, and if those relationships and teams are retained during this generation, it isn't crazy to assume that they'll put out more games that are of a strong quality.
Your attempt to say that there's only two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall is just as much conjecture as Dvader saying that there are a bunch of excellent games coming out this fall, which means your argument has just as little weight as the one you are trying to contest, giving you little room to act as if you are somehow more right than Dvader is.
Dvader's initial stance was not that these games would make the PS3 push Halo like numbers, but simply that Sony is going to (probably) have a number of strong/excellent games this fall/winter, and instead of focusing on the Blu-Ray playback of the system, they should focus on those games being the selling point, which really means that he's more or less agreeing with the sentiment you set forth earlier when you mentioned that we should all shout out "It's the games, stupid!" to Sony, which is a mentality/viewpoint that I fully support as well, so I'm not being dismissive of anything on your stance. All I really did was emphasize how Dvader was talking about potential, and interjecting my own opinion regarding the Ratchet series.
I never said you were being dismissive, I just asked for you to have a less dismissive tone in your posting, which is a comment that is more dead-on, IMHO, than yours claiming that there are only two excellent games coming out on the PS3 this Fall/Winter, given that the accuracy of either yours or Dvader's predictions will be made clear after this fall comes around.
Actually, its not conjecture. MGS and GTA are far more high profile than Ratchet. How you can possibly overlook something so obvious is beyond me. How could me assessment not be accurate? I would say my statement has a lot more weight than you're willing to admit. Are you just making argument for the sake of keeping a discussion going, I'm confused here.
As far as these "excellent" games of the past that Sony collaborated on, what games would those be? I'm not saying they haven't done good work, but what system sellers has Sony produced?
You still misunderstand Dvader's initial stance, he's simply throwing out the term excellent without much to back it up on, which is exactly the point that you're not addressing very well. Dvader was clearly in disagreement with me as he named off a bunch of obscure games and a second tier series and calling them "excellent." That isn't agreement, or its just a terribly faulty premise at best which is the more likely scenario.
Ohter than that, you're repeating a lot of what I've said before and has been stated in this thread by others.
Wait a sec, so I have a dismissive tone because I disagree with someone?
No Marcus you missed the point completely. It seems you are mistaking the quality of a game with system sellers, they don't go hand in hand. My original point was simply stating that the PS3 lineup this holiday season and beyond is not clearly inferior to anyone, they have as many games that has the potential to be excellent as anyone.
I only listed MGS4, Ratchet, two well known always high quality franchises. Uncharted, a naughty dog game which have always been high quality and Little Big Planet which has gotten a whole lot of buzz not as a major game but more like a small game you buy at the PS store. You call that obscure, well known franchise, well known developers. Might as well call Mass Effect obscure then, no one has played it, its a new franchise, but everyone knows that will be quality cause of the developer.
You dont want to acknowledge any thing Sony is doing thats fine, Sony has many high quality great selling first party franchises, guess what Ratchet is one of them whether you like it or not.
The idea that the PS3 lineup is not quality is laughable, it goes the same for all systems this holiday season its absolutly stacked with high quality games.
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[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]I'm not the one being dismissive here Skylock, its you who chooses to dismiss a valid point.[/QUOTE]I did read his post back then, and one thing I noticed is that he never said they had a bunch of exclusive excellent games, which could mean that those excellent games included the likes of GTAIV and the likes.
Furthermore, Sony was responsible, both with internal development teams, and close 2nd party developers, for a strong number of excellent/great games in the past generation, and if those relationships and teams are retained during this generation, it isn't crazy to assume that they'll put out more games that are of a strong quality.
Your attempt to say that there's only two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall is just as much conjecture as Dvader saying that there are a bunch of excellent games coming out this fall, which means your argument has just as little weight as the one you are trying to contest, giving you little room to act as if you are somehow more right than Dvader is.
Dvader's initial stance was not that these games would make the PS3 push Halo like numbers, but simply that Sony is going to (probably) have a number of strong/excellent games this fall/winter, and instead of focusing on the Blu-Ray playback of the system, they should focus on those games being the selling point, which really means that he's more or less agreeing with the sentiment you set forth earlier when you mentioned that we should all shout out "It's the games, stupid!" to Sony, which is a mentality/viewpoint that I fully support as well, so I'm not being dismissive of anything on your stance. All I really did was emphasize how Dvader was talking about potential, and interjecting my own opinion regarding the Ratchet series.
I never said you were being dismissive, I just asked for you to have a less dismissive tone in your posting, which is a comment that is more dead-on, IMHO, than yours claiming that there are only two excellent games coming out on the PS3 this Fall/Winter, given that the accuracy of either yours or Dvader's predictions will be made clear after this fall comes around.
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Actually, its not conjecture. MGS and GTA are far more high profile than Ratchet. How you can possibly overlook something so obvious is beyond me. How could me assessment not be accurate? I would say my statement has a lot more weight than you're willing to admit. Are you just making argument for the sake of keeping a discussion going, I'm confused here.
As far as these "excellent" games of the past that Sony collaborated on, what games would those be? I'm not saying they haven't done good work, but what system sellers has Sony produced?
You still misunderstand Dvader's initial stance, he's simply throwing out the term excellent without much to back it up on, which is exactly the point that you're not addressing very well. Dvader was clearly in disagreement with me as he named off a bunch of obscure games and a second tier series and calling them "excellent." That isn't agreement, or its just a terribly faulty premise at best which is the more likely scenario.
Ohter than that, you're repeating a lot of what I've said before and has been stated in this thread by others.
Wait a sec, so I have a dismissive tone because I disagree with someone?:?
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No Marcus you missed the point completely. It seems you are mistaking the quality of a game with system sellers, they don't go hand in hand. My original point was simply stating that the PS3 lineup this holiday season and beyond is not clearly inferior to anyone, they have as many games that has the potential to be excellent as anyone.
I only listed MGS4, Ratchet, two well known always high quality franchises. Uncharted, a naughty dog game which have always been high quality and Little Big Planet which has gotten a whole lot of buzz not as a major game but more like a small game you buy at the PS store. You call that obscure, well known franchise, well known developers. Might as well call Mass Effect obscure then, no one has played it, its a new franchise, but everyone knows that will be quality cause of the developer.
You dont want to acknowledge any thing Sony is doing thats fine, Sony has many high quality great selling first party franchises, guess what Ratchet is one of them whether you like it or not.
The idea that the PS3 lineup is not quality is laughable, it goes the same for all systems this holiday season its absolutly stacked with high quality games.
- May 9, 2007 8:04 pm GMTdvader654 wrote:MarcusAntonius wrote:Skylock00 wrote:I did read his post back then, and one thing I noticed is that he never said they had a bunch of exclusive excellent games, which could mean that those excellent games included the likes of GTAIV and the likes.MarcusAntonius wrote:I'm not the one being dismissive here Skylock, its you who chooses to dismiss a valid point.
Furthermore, Sony was responsible, both with internal development teams, and close 2nd party developers, for a strong number of excellent/great games in the past generation, and if those relationships and teams are retained during this generation, it isn't crazy to assume that they'll put out more games that are of a strong quality.
Your attempt to say that there's only two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall is just as much conjecture as Dvader saying that there are a bunch of excellent games coming out this fall, which means your argument has just as little weight as the one you are trying to contest, giving you little room to act as if you are somehow more right than Dvader is.
Dvader's initial stance was not that these games would make the PS3 push Halo like numbers, but simply that Sony is going to (probably) have a number of strong/excellent games this fall/winter, and instead of focusing on the Blu-Ray playback of the system, they should focus on those games being the selling point, which really means that he's more or less agreeing with the sentiment you set forth earlier when you mentioned that we should all shout out "It's the games, stupid!" to Sony, which is a mentality/viewpoint that I fully support as well, so I'm not being dismissive of anything on your stance. All I really did was emphasize how Dvader was talking about potential, and interjecting my own opinion regarding the Ratchet series.
I never said you were being dismissive, I just asked for you to have a less dismissive tone in your posting, which is a comment that is more dead-on, IMHO, than yours claiming that there are only two excellent games coming out on the PS3 this Fall/Winter, given that the accuracy of either yours or Dvader's predictions will be made clear after this fall comes around.
Actually, its not conjecture. MGS and GTA are far more high profile than Ratchet. How you can possibly overlook something so obvious is beyond me. How could me assessment not be accurate? I would say my statement has a lot more weight than you're willing to admit. Are you just making argument for the sake of keeping a discussion going, I'm confused here.
As far as these "excellent" games of the past that Sony collaborated on, what games would those be? I'm not saying they haven't done good work, but what system sellers has Sony produced?
You still misunderstand Dvader's initial stance, he's simply throwing out the term excellent without much to back it up on, which is exactly the point that you're not addressing very well. Dvader was clearly in disagreement with me as he named off a bunch of obscure games and a second tier series and calling them "excellent." That isn't agreement, or its just a terribly faulty premise at best which is the more likely scenario.
Ohter than that, you're repeating a lot of what I've said before and has been stated in this thread by others.
Wait a sec, so I have a dismissive tone because I disagree with someone?
No Marcus you missed the point completely. It seems you are mistaking the quality of a game with system sellers, they don't go hand in hand. My original point was simply stating that the PS3 lineup this holiday season and beyond is not clearly inferior to anyone, they have as many games that has the potential to be excellent as anyone.
I only listed MGS4, Ratchet, two well known always high quality franchises. Uncharted, a naughty dog game which have always been high quality and Little Big Planet which has gotten a whole lot of buzz not as a major game but more like a small game you buy at the PS store. You call that obscure, well known franchise, well known developers. Might as well call Mass Effect obscure then, no one has played it, its a new franchise, but everyone knows that will be quality cause of the developer.
You dont want to acknowledge any thing Sony is doing thats fine, Sony has many high quality great selling first party franchises, guess what Ratchet is one of them whether you like it or not.
The idea that the PS3 lineup is not quality is laughable, it goes the same for all systems this holiday season its absolutly stacked with high quality games.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................
Dvader, where did I say the PS3 didn't have quality games on the way out other than questioning Heavenly Sword? My God, are you even reading my posts?! I never actually said that, did I? You're starting to act like that Joyer guy getting all pissy when anyone crtiques Nintendo in anything but a positive light.
Fine, obscure is the wrong word to use, unproven would be better, which is exactly whatall of this holiday's releases are other than GTA, MGS4, and Halo 3 which I think we can safely assume are all going to be strong titles.
Ratchet just doesn't strike me as some must have game when there are other platformers to choose from. I just don't believe the series distinguishes itself in anyway. I've already said the games were good.
[QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]I'm not the one being dismissive here Skylock, its you who chooses to dismiss a valid point.[/QUOTE]I did read his post back then, and one thing I noticed is that he never said they had a bunch of exclusive excellent games, which could mean that those excellent games included the likes of GTAIV and the likes.
Furthermore, Sony was responsible, both with internal development teams, and close 2nd party developers, for a strong number of excellent/great games in the past generation, and if those relationships and teams are retained during this generation, it isn't crazy to assume that they'll put out more games that are of a strong quality.
Your attempt to say that there's only two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall is just as much conjecture as Dvader saying that there are a bunch of excellent games coming out this fall, which means your argument has just as little weight as the one you are trying to contest, giving you little room to act as if you are somehow more right than Dvader is.
Dvader's initial stance was not that these games would make the PS3 push Halo like numbers, but simply that Sony is going to (probably) have a number of strong/excellent games this fall/winter, and instead of focusing on the Blu-Ray playback of the system, they should focus on those games being the selling point, which really means that he's more or less agreeing with the sentiment you set forth earlier when you mentioned that we should all shout out "It's the games, stupid!" to Sony, which is a mentality/viewpoint that I fully support as well, so I'm not being dismissive of anything on your stance. All I really did was emphasize how Dvader was talking about potential, and interjecting my own opinion regarding the Ratchet series.
I never said you were being dismissive, I just asked for you to have a less dismissive tone in your posting, which is a comment that is more dead-on, IMHO, than yours claiming that there are only two excellent games coming out on the PS3 this Fall/Winter, given that the accuracy of either yours or Dvader's predictions will be made clear after this fall comes around.
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Actually, its not conjecture. MGS and GTA are far more high profile than Ratchet. How you can possibly overlook something so obvious is beyond me. How could me assessment not be accurate? I would say my statement has a lot more weight than you're willing to admit. Are you just making argument for the sake of keeping a discussion going, I'm confused here.
As far as these "excellent" games of the past that Sony collaborated on, what games would those be? I'm not saying they haven't done good work, but what system sellers has Sony produced?
You still misunderstand Dvader's initial stance, he's simply throwing out the term excellent without much to back it up on, which is exactly the point that you're not addressing very well. Dvader was clearly in disagreement with me as he named off a bunch of obscure games and a second tier series and calling them "excellent." That isn't agreement, or its just a terribly faulty premise at best which is the more likely scenario.
Ohter than that, you're repeating a lot of what I've said before and has been stated in this thread by others.
Wait a sec, so I have a dismissive tone because I disagree with someone?:?
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No Marcus you missed the point completely. It seems you are mistaking the quality of a game with system sellers, they don't go hand in hand. My original point was simply stating that the PS3 lineup this holiday season and beyond is not clearly inferior to anyone, they have as many games that has the potential to be excellent as anyone.
I only listed MGS4, Ratchet, two well known always high quality franchises. Uncharted, a naughty dog game which have always been high quality and Little Big Planet which has gotten a whole lot of buzz not as a major game but more like a small game you buy at the PS store. You call that obscure, well known franchise, well known developers. Might as well call Mass Effect obscure then, no one has played it, its a new franchise, but everyone knows that will be quality cause of the developer.
You dont want to acknowledge any thing Sony is doing thats fine, Sony has many high quality great selling first party franchises, guess what Ratchet is one of them whether you like it or not.
The idea that the PS3 lineup is not quality is laughable, it goes the same for all systems this holiday season its absolutly stacked with high quality games.
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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................:x
Dvader, where did I say the PS3 didn't have quality games on the way out other than questioning Heavenly Sword? My God, are you even reading my posts?! I never actually said that, did I? You're starting to act like that Joyer guy getting all pissy when anyone crtiques Nintendo in anything but a positive light.
Fine, obscure is the wrong word to use, unproven would be better, which is exactly whatall of this holiday's releases are other than GTA, MGS4, and Halo 3 which I think we can safely assume are all going to be strong titles.
Ratchet just doesn't strike me as some must have game when there are other platformers to choose from. I just don't believe the series distinguishes itself in anyway. I've already said the games were good.
- May 9, 2007 8:07 pm GMTNo, you expressed a dismissive tone by writing the following, which I quoted in the first place:MarcusAntonius wrote:Wait a sec, so I have a dismissive tone because I disagree with someone?
Seriously, I don't know of any gamer who would describe any game in the Ratchet series as excellent. They're good, but excellence? Come the hell on.
Particularly, by saying the likes of "..But excellence? Come the hell on," that is you disagreeing with him, but in a dismissive tone, since it seems to be downtalking to him for having the opinion that the Ratchet series has had a background of excellence, and suggesting disdain towards someone for having the thought of the game having a background of excellence.
You could have simply said, "I've never found the Ratchet series to be one worthy of being called excellent. Good? Yes, but not excellent," and would have gotten the same point across without being dismissive about it.
At this stage, though, I've already made clear my stance on the matter, indicated in previous posts that, in actuality, you and Dvader agree on the same basic stance, that Sony should focus on games more, with the only difference being that Dvader feels that the PS3 will have a software library worth of enough notice by this fall/winter for Sony to use as a primary selling point for the system, whereas you don't feel that to be the case, which is fine for either of you to feel.
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Seriously, I don't know of any gamer who would describe any game in the Ratchet series as excellent. They're good, but excellence? Come the hell on.
Particularly, by saying the likes of "..But excellence? Come the hell on," that is you disagreeing with him, but in a dismissive tone, since it seems to be downtalking to him for having the opinion that the Ratchet series has had a background of excellence, and suggesting disdain towards someone for having the thought of the game having a background of excellence.
You could have simply said, "I've never found the Ratchet series to be one worthy of being called excellent. Good? Yes, but not excellent," and would have gotten the same point across without being dismissive about it.
At this stage, though, I've already made clear my stance on the matter, indicated in previous posts that, in actuality, you and Dvader agree on the same basic stance, that Sony should focus on games more, with the only difference being that Dvader feels that the PS3 will have a software library worth of enough notice by this fall/winter for Sony to use as a primary selling point for the system, whereas you don't feel that to be the case, which is fine for either of you to feel.
- May 9, 2007 8:17 pm GMT
You are right marcus, sony might not have a lot of big sellers this holiday season, but i think they will have a pretty good line up. I would say its different enough from 360s lineup that some might find it a better lineup depending on what games they prefer. I dont like how people throw around words about how 360s absolutely SMASHES ps3s lineup. I personally think its better, but this is all opinion, people need to stop acting like things are offical because of the way they see things.
I dont even know if you were saying that marcus, but i know a lot of people are "claiming" how superior 360s lineup this fall is. "sonys is not that great, and 360s is arguably the best in a long time" thats a pretty big difference. I dont agree with that at all.
- May 9, 2007 8:18 pm GMTLife is easier if you just agree with my responses
Life is easier if you just agree with my responses:oops: - May 9, 2007 8:55 pm GMT[QUOTE="F1Lengend"]
You are right marcus, sony might not have a lot of big sellers this holiday season, but i think they will have a pretty good line up. I would say its different enough from 360s lineup that some might find it a better lineup depending on what games they prefer. I dont like how people throw around words about how 360s absolutely SMASHES ps3s lineup. I personally think its better, but this is all opinion, people need to stop acting like things are offical because of the way they see things.
I dont even know if you were saying that marcus, but i know a lot of people are "claiming" how superior 360s lineup this fall is. "sonys is not that great, and 360s is arguably the best in a long time" thats a pretty big difference. I dont agree with that at all.
[/QUOTE] What I wonder is why people cant be objective about games, and gaming lineups in particular. Really they always back the console they own and to hell with everything else. People like that make me sick, and I usually skip their posts entirely. Im not trying to call you out on this or anything, but the 360 lineup does crush the PS3 lineup.... ok so we have MGS4 that is countered by Halo 3... but then you have what on the PS3? Heavenly Sword (a completly unproven developer)... Uncharted( actually looks promising)...Ratchet (*yawn*)... against Bioshock, Mass Effect and some other big name games I can't remember right now? - May 9, 2007 10:24 pm GMT
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My original point was simply stating that the PS3 lineup this holiday season and beyond is not clearly inferior to anyone, they have as many games that has the potential to be excellent as anyone.
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Well, I own both a PS3 and an XB360 and I think your assertion is ridiculous. Almost every PS3 third party exclusive has defected to the XB360 with more to inevitably follow while MS continues to retain high profile exclusives like Bioshock and Mass Effect. That isn't to say the PS3 won't have some great titles (I wouldn't have bought one otherwise) but to assert Sony's 2007 lineup can match MS is hyperbolic nonsense.
- May 10, 2007 12:12 am GMT
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My original point was simply stating that the PS3 lineup this holiday season and beyond is not clearly inferior to anyone, they have as many games that has the potential to be excellent as anyone.
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Well, I own both a PS3 and an XB360 and I think your assertion is ridiculous. Almost every PS3 third party exclusive has defected to the XB360 with more to inevitably follow while MS continues to retain high profile exclusives like Bioshock and Mass Effect. That isn't to say the PS3 won't have some great titles (I wouldn't have bought one otherwise) but to assert Sony's 2007 lineup can match MS is hyperbolic nonsense.
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Its all in taste, I want action adventure games, what exactly is the 360 going to offer me over the PS3.
- May 10, 2007 2:17 am GMTdvader654 wrote:
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Woah what a makeover.
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The ladies love the masked chain saw man. Who am I disagree? :P I had to change.
