[QUOTE="theone86"][QUOTE="Kurushio"] With SGU almost none of the characters make you really feel for them. The audience probably cares more about Eli than just about anyone other person on the crew just because he is never going to get the girl (atleast chloe). SG1 made you really care about each member of the team pretty deeply and they each had some pretty strong motivations behind them.
SGA wasnt quite the same but it did start the formula that SGU now uses since they were abandoned on a ship without any kind of backup at all for a long time.SGU just doesnt bring the same kind of connection that the others had.
I still like SGU, dont get me wrong, but its kinda bad when there are whole episodes where you dont even hear the word stargate but maybe once lol. Its more like its Star Trek but the Enterprise was built by Toyota (as in you can stop or control it :P)
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I completely disagree with the first sentence. Wray is a very deep character and has a few different sides to her, Rush has a lot of emotional driving forces and is quite devious in knowing how to play different sides, Young is like Shepherd or O'Neil except he actually shows a lot of vunerability surrounding tough decisions and he has some volatile relationships. I think these characters are very deep, moreso than any of the characters in previous shows. They might not be as likable, but I think the way in which they tell these characters' stories, tying in past events with current stories, makes these characters stand out a lot more as opposed to, say, simply going off a standard character format for a while and then out of the blue introducing a sister or father that the character has a strained relationship with but never in the past talked about.
Yeah because showing one of them is a lesbian, another is pregnant, another is self absorbed, another is bullheaded, and so on is much deeper than a guy who's kid gets shot by his own gun, turning on all you have done and accomplished your whole life to work for a better future, and losing your wife and family to an alien isnt deep at all. I cant really come up with anything deep with Carter though at the moment lol.
SGU is about as close to watching a soap opera as im ever going to come and i still do enjoy it but not the levels of SG1 and A. I will say that one bad thing about SG1 and A was that if you had never watched any SG jumping into A or late in 1 would be kinda tough and SGU is much easier but then you wont understand at first alot of the personal things going on. Of which is only going to get more and more complicated as it goes.
The way in which the characters' backstories were introduced was kinda overbearing, especially Jack. I don't count the movie against SG-1 because otherwise I'd have a pretty low opinion of SG-1, but taking the main character, who's a buff non-talkative tough guy, and having his son accidentally have shot himself which leads to his wife leaving him is kinda hitting you over the head with the concept, it's attempt at taking a shallow character and artificially giving depth to him.
That being said, I think the fact that the producers decided to make references to Jack's son sparingly and in a creative manner speaks to part of the reason why SG-1 is leaps and bounds ahead of the original movie. I don't know that I'd say Daniel's backstory made him that much deeper of a character, though I did like the manner in which they told the story he always seemed to have more investment with characters that had some archeological connection, and at times the whole story just seemed like a pretext for keeping him on the team. Teal'c, I'd say, has the best character development of all of them.
Besides, you're arguing SG-1, I already said SG-1 is still my favorite and it's my favorite in part because they took the time to do character-driven episodes and do them so well. I can't really say the same about Atlantis, with a few notable exceptions. As to SGU being a soap, I think that's an unfair assertion. Thre reason soap can be used in the pejorative sense is because of the habits of soap writers to utilize cheesy dialogue and keep storylines recurring for no reason but to ensure that viewers tune in to see the conclusion, and both SG-1 and SGA have been guilty on both counts in the past. If anything, I think SGU is making an attempt to make the dialogue more realistic instead of the pun-ridden banter that dominated the first two shows (which again, I'm not totally against but I did really start to get sick of after a time). I don't think it's a fair accusation to level just because they're focusing more on the characters. The only instance where it might hold some weight in my mind is with Chloe, and I agree that she's melodramatic and pretty useless overall.
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