PC gaming got a future or are consoles the future? Debate.

#1 Posted by Garfield360UK (19689 posts) -

Well today I was inspired to make this topic after looking in a few game stores. I was disapointed with the lack of PC games on sale along with a new release (Grand Prix Manager) that I was after not being in several stores and some not even selling games on PC.

I went on to buy Dawn of War II and after a quick play, I found myself disapointed. The game is not bad, nor poorly optimized on PC. However, I felt disapointed as I was going in expecting Dawn of War 1 type gameplay on skirmish mode, however there is little in base building. I can see the argument for that however, but this is one of the features I felt made these games key to PC in their complexaties, this game could run on consoles now due to some asset stripping in gameplay areas (not to say that its bad, as it does make the game more tactical, you cant just spam out the same units and win, nor can you rush as your units will get shreded by the base deffences).

Consoles seem to be making a big leap forward technology wise to be on par with PC gaming in most graphics areas in the last year or two it could be argued. Some games like Empire Total War I admit would not run on a console due to sheer data the game crunches.

Anyway, what are your thoughts on this?

Do you feel PC gaming still has a future or is consoles taking over for the "hardcore" gaming experience?

Discuss.

#2 Posted by loopy_101 (28044 posts) -
There will always be small developers working on PC however on the grand scale there is far less point as there are far fewer worthwhile exclusives as there were maybe ten years ago and also the PC versions of games by Epic, Valve and even id software aren't so different from their console releases now-a-days. I think the final straw for me though was the poor GTA IV port...
#3 Posted by dragonslayer22 (44 posts) -
I think PC gaming has been changing drastically over the last few years. It seems that about the only games you see on the PC any more are the really hardcore games (RTS games and Crysis) and the really casual games (Peggle and Nancy Drew). It seems PC gamers are gettign the short end of the stick on games they would normally get the better versions of, such as teh whole Halo series. I think X-Box, and to a larger degree, X-Box 360 have played a big part in taking PC gamers over to the console side. I think this trend will only continue in the future. Consoles are simply more accessible and mainstream than gaming-level PCs. Gaming itself is becoming more mainstream, and the average gamer doesn't want to fiddle with the technical details required to keep their PCs gaming ready, and they certainly don't want to spend the cash to upgrade their system cpu every year.
#4 Posted by naserc (19 posts) -

well, to first properly understand the changing importance of consoles and pc gaming, one first needs to examine the exact role each plays in the gaming community. i think it was sid meiers who gave the most eloquent differentiation between the 2 in an interview. he said that console gaming is what u play when u come back home from the pub, and need to kill a quick few minutes whereas pc gaming is what u play instead of going to the pub in the first place. the most crucial thing for me is that this analogy does not hold true anymore, and that is where we start seeing the hardcore gaming line blur between the 2 platforms. 

from the customer's perspective, there is no doubt that both the quantity and quality of the triple a titles have gone up on the consoles. in fact, other than the input devices to b used, there is very little to choose from for some of these cross platform titles. 5 yrs back, games like call of duty would have had its home only on a pc, but now, is that the case anymore? and even more importantly, in making the shift, have these games compromised on their quality? the answer's probably not.

however, before anyone starts thinking i m a pure console fanatic, let's examine the other side of the coin. a couple of points stand out immediately: the controls advantage on the pc for rts and fps titles, and so on. computers r beasts that evolve almost constantly. whereas consoles represent a snapshot of technological peak at a point in time, once that time is past, the pc inevitably overtakes it. the current console life-cycle, for me, still has more than half its life ahead of it, but it has already been trumpeted by the pc in terms of pure horsepower. and this happened well before his yr. so there really is no doubt that if a person were to choose a platform, that any given point in time, represents the best current generation of gaming has to offer (in terms of hardware, i.e.), there really is no substitute for the pc.

all this, of course, are arguments in what may be. the sad reality, however, is that the future of gaming is not decided by gamers, but the economics of the gaming industry. as any industry enters expansion in serch of higher revenues, it will need to divert away from the original core audience, and need to develop products that cater to a much wider audience. a very obvious reminder of this reality is the nintendo wii. u'll find very few self-respecting hardcore gamers claiming it to b their platform of choice, and yet, here it is, the runaway winner in the current generation. my expectation is that in search of constantly expanding the market, and bringing in new segments, u'll find in the not so distant future that the gaming industry is dominated by the non-hardcore market (assuming i divide the market along those lines). in fact, if anything, that trend is already showing, and is only going to get worse. bottom line? hardcore segment will genuinely become what the name implies, just one of the number of segments. and not one of the bigger ones either.

trust me, i m one of those sucky corporate people who make decisions like this to make an extra dollar (although not in gaming, but another industry), i would know.

#5 Posted by Flaren_Kuldes (220 posts) -

For PC to play the highest specification of game you will have to cost $2000 or likely

 With that money you can buy PS3, XBOX 360 and Wii with a lot of your favorite console game

But we can't say that PC can't be use to play PS3 or XBOX 360 game, like HALO or Gears of War

The important thing is both are different , PC are more suitable for detective and FPS game. console are for RPG and action

 Both are changing PC need new VGA or processor each year and PS3 become PS4 or XBOX 360 become XBOX 720

But, because PC have more"things" that console doesn't maybe it will last longer before the era of simulator and super-tech world when we can live in any planet we want

Even though i love console game so much

#6 Posted by Garfield360UK (19689 posts) -
Thats true. I do feel consoles are starting to get some of the better PC games like Crysis, Far Cry, Call of Duty and others. I mean the keyboard and mouse is arguably the better control option, I just like the gamepad more now.
#7 Posted by pai-may (4101 posts) -

Thats true. I do feel consoles are starting to get some of the better PC games like Crysis, Far Cry, Call of Duty and others. I mean the keyboard and mouse is arguably the better control option, I just like the gamepad more now.Garfield360UK

Keyboard and Mouse is far more accurate for the fps fan than a hoypad ever can be, though I fail at trying to get the hang of it. 

I did a quick google search the other day and companies offer people the ability to build their own gaming computer for upwards of £3000. For this you will no doubt get a machine that will not need updating in VERY long time, and the latest 2 gig graphics cards - these babies are what makes the difference for me between pc and console - pc is always going to have superior architecture if you are willing to pay for it.

PC gaming will never go away - it is what drives the market, despite what many console gamers would have you believe. Lets face it, Nintendo, Microsoft (Gaming Corp) and Sony (Gaming Corp) could go down the swanny at any point with one of their ventures because they lose so much money on each console just to get a decent fan base.In addition to this - games companies take a big risk putting games out there that mayu not sell - hell, this can close some companies - so when the target audience is not as large as PC say, I think you can agree with me that it is the console game that is perhaps more at risk long term.

 

There may be 25 million xbox360's out there but there are a damn sight more pc's. There will always be pc's. One company does not singularly manufacture the pc and does not therefore have to consume the cost. If I've got the money I can have a pc built to my exact spec - therefore the pc gamer market is probably much bigger globally than the console market.

 

Finally, I believe it is within the pc genre that games piracy will finally be defeated - through direct downloads from steam say and the necessity to be online to download further content. Any fool can flash a hard drvie and sell pirated console disks for a fiver and this can only hurt the smaller console market. 

 

So while I'm predominantly a console gamer, if things change in the future I would not be concerned if I were to become a pc gamer full time as I see ther being a future there.

#8 Posted by loopy_101 (28044 posts) -
I think the Keyboard and mouse will always remain the best FPS control method. It makes me chuckle when people disagree.
#9 Posted by WolfBain666 (88 posts) -

Got to agree with the mouse & keyboard being the the best for FPS. With the key bindings & having versatility to change layout there is no touching the old PC for that. My honest opinion for consul gaming has been for 3rd person action games as GTA, Halo ect. Also driving games like Forza 2, PGR, Dirt, Grid. I can go on & on.

The thing that makes a PC a specialised tool is that you have the quick fix & interchangeable parts. you don't have to pay the earth for some high speed monster that will do everything. If you look around & think what you want to play & options you have in regards to graphic & performance you can get there for a fraction of the price these days & have fun doing it.

When I bought my PC, Many moons back. It was the first of the core 2 duo I think. 2.19 GHz with 4200+ Processor - AMD 64x2.

Since then over time. I have installed ram up to 4GB Graphics card now is a HD 4770 & a PSU 550 Watt. didnt take a lot of money & doing it at home was fun.

 

The consul games have their favs that people will play. But I hope that PC has a bright future ahead.

#10 Posted by pai-may (4101 posts) -

Got to agree with the mouse & keyboard being the the best for FPS. With the key bindings & having versatility to change layout there is no touching the old PC for that. My honest opinion for consul gaming has been for 3rd person action games as GTA, Halo ect. Also driving games like Forza 2, PGR, Dirt, Grid. I can go on & on.

The thing that makes a PC a specialised tool is that you have the quick fix & interchangeable parts. you don't have to pay the earth for some high speed monster that will do everything. If you look around & think what you want to play & options you have in regards to graphic & performance you can get there for a fraction of the price these days & have fun doing it.

When I bought my PC, Many moons back. It was the first of the core 2 duo I think. 2.19 GHz with 4200+ Processor - AMD 64x2.

Since then over time. I have installed ram up to 4GB Graphics card now is a HD 4770 & a PSU 550 Watt. didnt take a lot of money & doing it at home was fun.

 

The consul games have their favs that people will play. But I hope that PC has a bright future ahead.

WolfBain666
Bang on the money with this, you are sir.
#11 Posted by kevinjia32 (1278 posts) -

Both sides are even.

 

#12 Posted by WolfBain666 (88 posts) -

Strange thing i ws reading today in a mag while i was in the Dr's & it was to with intergrated PC housing. When I mean Housing I dont meah the box. I mean you HOME. This was something that can take the PV of today & send it that big step up from the consul battle. The show home that was in Berkshire somewhere was fuly intergrated from curtain to cup warmers for coffee.

I think we are going to see a big change on the horizon for the PC & the gaming with this can only get better.

Keep your eyes open People. I think they are starting the change,   :)

 

 

Wolf

#13 Posted by Garfield360UK (19689 posts) -
I am thinking I will stick with consoles, PCs are good dont get me wrong but the hardware upgrades, lack of friends who are pc gamers and titles that are PC only put me off.
#14 Posted by kevinjia32 (1278 posts) -

I have to go with PC.

#15 Posted by pai-may (4101 posts) -
I am thinking I will stick with consoles, PCs are good dont get me wrong but the hardware upgrades, lack of friends who are pc gamers and titles that are PC only put me off.
Garfield360UK
#16 Posted by pai-may (4101 posts) -
[QUOTE="Garfield360UK"]I am thinking I will stick with consoles, PCs are good dont get me wrong but the hardware upgrades, lack of friends who are pc gamers and titles that are PC only put me off.
pai-may

Garfield, you've argued before that too survive pc's have become more like consoles, certainly in their software releases, yet if a PC specific game is released it bugs you somehow, why is this???
#17 Posted by Garfield360UK (19689 posts) -

It doesnt bother me that PC only games come out. Where have I said this recently? I dont think PCs need to be like consoles, they need to get more exclusive content and push the boundaries like PC gaming used to with Far Cry, Crysis etc. Where is the major Direct X 11 game that will sell Windows 7? That is the point I am making, Microsoft and others are not pushing this front enough.

 

Please dont believe I am a PC hater, as I like PC gaming as well as consoles, but it has negtives like the consoles do. If my friends were PC gamers I would likely do it more as I play a lot online with them so thats why I stop PC gaming like I used to. Heck Football Manager is one of my most played games (well Championship Manager 4 to be more exact) but I never got into Crysis as my PC just can not handle it to the level I want to play it at. If I could run it on high graphics in 1440 by 900 then I would happily do so but my PC wont handle that and the plug and play ability on a console compared to the PC is better for me personally.

#18 Posted by pai-may (4101 posts) -
Lol, I don't think you are a pc hater, I enjoy debate. However, you made the comment I alude to 5 posts up ;)
#19 Posted by Garfield360UK (19689 posts) -
Doh! Sorry about that, that should be lack of titles that are not PC only (i.e. it lacks exclusives). My mistake so I appologise, thats not what I ment to type out. I should check before pressing submit :P
#20 Posted by pai-may (4101 posts) -

Pc has plenty of killer exclusives, they are generally just different to the sort you expect on PC:

 

Three off the top of my head released this or last year, (without me scanning GS for a tonne more:

Warhammer Online

Dawn of War 2

Empire Total War.

And that's just from the sort of genres we talk about on DBG, there are probably a hell of a lot out there if you look, especially around the DBG; strategy and rts games are the favoured sons of the pc.

#21 Posted by Garfield360UK (19689 posts) -
Yeah, what I mean is exclusives I want though. I would love to play Total War but I dont have the system to run it. Sure I can think of a few really good games I want to play on PC but the months of wait between releases puts me off. However I feel negative towards all gaming at the moment.
#22 Posted by DeadManRollin (4134 posts) -

PC gaming has a great future, and the developers should stop doing lazy port jobs like this one

With the excellent compatibility options of the xbox360 gamepad, I am sure more and more console gamers will incline towards the PC. And I fully agree that gamepads are far superior for racing games and some 3rd person action games. I have picked up numerous games that I'd usually not buy for the PC in recent times; just because I have that precious gamepad. PCs are capable of running any console title; i.e. Street Fighter IV, Mass Effect, Devil May Cry 4, Resident Evil 5 (yeah, most are capcom titles) ...and they often look better on the PC, too.

Consoles come and go, PCs stay!

 

 

#23 Posted by Faller88 (7277 posts) -
I think consoles will be all thats left for the big games in The Future, its just easier to control and avoid piracy.
#24 Posted by pai-may (4101 posts) -

I think consoles will be all thats left for the big games in the furure, its just easier to control and avoid piracy.Faller88
Er, no. On a pure piracy note, none of the current consoles are anywhere near controlling piracy.

 

DMR. Yeah, the plug and play 360 controller for pc is actually more comfortable than the 360 controller as it not only does not have a massive batter stuck on the back of it but it is at least 1.5-2lbs lighter because of it, which makes a difference over a couple of hours.

 

My other half bought a cheap jp for her laptop but it sucks so she has relented and ordered a 360 pc controller. They rock.

#25 Posted by Garfield360UK (19689 posts) -
I would say piracy is more rife on PC than some consoles (DS and PSP aside, they tend to have some big problems regarding that side) but yeah PC gaming isnt dead, its just not what it used to be. But that said there are some great games on it, its just few that make me want to upgrade my PC to play them if you get me.
#26 Posted by pai-may (4101 posts) -
Actually Garfield you are probably right about the pc format being the playground of the pirate. But of the consoles, pretty muvch all of them are either emulated or you can rip the games and falsh hard drives to accept these dodgy copies. I would say the PS3 is the least pirated system only as a consequence of the cost of blank BR disks being four or five times that of a good quality DVD, otherwise you'd see a slew of ps3 copied titles out there as well. None of the consoles are secure, no matter how much they bleat about it. That is just bluster to make execs at software companies feel a little more secure about the millions of sales they are going to make on their latest IP. God how I laugh.
#27 Posted by Garfield360UK (19689 posts) -
Yeah for sure, there is piriting on all the systems. However I do think that the sales are higher on console than PC for games software, but thats to be expected. Game consoles are mainly for games unless you get a PS3 for the Blu Ray back when it first came out (there are other reasons like Netflix in USA on XBox live and PSN but realistically most get a games console for gaming with some mutlimedia as a secondary function). I mean there was reported 1 million downloads illgeally of Spore which eats into the chances of it staying on PC or a sequal.
#28 Posted by pai-may (4101 posts) -
1 million is a lot, now that would get my attention if I were a game dev. That's the sort of level where you simhave to take people to court to protect your IP.
#29 Posted by DeadManRollin (4134 posts) -

Well Spore was mass-pirated for a different reason; EA put in SecuROM DRM in the game which was not mentioned in the box or software license agreement. This enraged the community and resulted in higher than usual piracy. You can read about it here

I believe Blue Ray was a smart decision by Sony. Lot of people buy the PS3 just for watching movies. I know a friend who bought a PS3 1 year ago and yet she didn't buy a single game, but bought a number of BR Disks. THe market for blue ray is expanding, and prices are bound to fall. In the not so distant future, blue ray copers will get cheaper and the blanks ones, too, and back to square one for Sony.

On-topic, Dragon Age: Origins is another example of how PC gaming is here to stay. Despite of heavy competition from xbox360 and PS3, it came out as the best version of the game. 

#30 Posted by pai-may (4101 posts) -
And the only version of the game to ever see issues resolved. One bonus of pc gaming over console - the patch.
#31 Posted by DeadManRollin (4134 posts) -
Yes, and even after the official lifecycle of a PC game is over, we get user made patches which can make dramatic enhancements to the original game. We got a patch for Neverwinter Nights (1.69) even 8 years after the original games release, which is remarkable. Heck, some consoles don't even have a lifecycle of 8 years!!!
#32 Posted by Garfield360UK (19689 posts) -

Well to be fair consoles get patches, I agree that the PC has user made ones but consoles also get game fixes online (and if it goes to you need to be online to get them then you do really for PC games unless you get PC gamer or something to get them but then you are buying a magazine for a patch then).

I do feel that the Securom thing was just an excuse by many to pirate the game, I have Red Alert 3 which uses the same technology and it works, the people who pirate them will use any excuse to make it look reasonable.

#33 Posted by pai-may (4101 posts) -

Nah, the bonus to patching most pc games is that you don't have to have home internet to do so, you just need a usb stick with enough space and a local library/ cafe with internet access and you are away. The patches for Total WAr to produce Napoleonic armies may be the sort of thing that is a little on the large side though.

 

What is Securicom? 

#35 Posted by SymonDezyn (4927 posts) -

I agree with the idea that PC gaming used to be the mark of a hardcore gamer, but that isn't the case anymore - personally i CHOOSE to console game over PC gaming because i am on a computer all day at work, and it's not exactly relaxing for me to sit in front of one when i get home. I'm also a Mac user, so i have a bit of a bias against the PC in general LOL.

I'm NOT a hater (though i'll joke about it to push a button or two - lol) but i think it's possible to be serious about gaming no matter what platform you choose. PC gaming will probably always have a future, but it looks like consoles are going to continue to play a serious role as well. All you have to do is go into an EB Games and look around - the 360 wall is the biggest, followed by the PS3, then PS2, then DS, then stuffed into a remote corner is PC games. Granted i know this reflects the majority but it does tell you something...