What are your views of gender equality?

I decided to make this thread to discuss gender equality.

I personally believe that women should not have preordained roles. Their roles in society, like everybody else, should be determined by their qualifiations. What are your views?

First post!

I agree. People in general have a lot of capabilities to prove their stereotyping wrong. Besides I strongly believe that most of our personality traits, interests and inclines or talents are determined by the way we are brough up, not by genetics.

I decided to make this thread to discuss gender equality.

I personally believe that women should not have preordained roles. Their roles in society, like everybody else, should be determined by their qualifiations. What are your views?

Genetic_Code

Gene thank you for making this topic.  It's been discussed over and over in another.  There is no, no (logical, moral, or any-other reason) that any woman can't take a job that she is qualified for.

First post!

I agree. People in general have a lot of capabilities to prove their stereotyping wrong. Besides I strongly believe that most of our personality traits, interests and inclines or talents are determined by the way we are brough up, not by genetics.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

First post!

I agree. People in general have a lot of capabilities to prove their stereotyping wrong. Besides I strongly believe that most of our personality traits, interests and inclines or talents are determined by the way we are brough up, not by genetics.

MetalGear_Ninty

But still, please elaborate so that I can get a clearer picture of what you mean.

Both genders are equal. Their roles though, are very different. If a Man wanted to take a Woman's position, I would disaprove just as much as I would if a Woman wanted to take a Man's position. It's by no means sexist, I would object both ways. It's obvious to me, both phsycologically, and physically, that men and women were intended for different purposes. It's foolhardy to assume that we can interchange them as we please.

Both genders are equal. Their roles though, are very different. If a Man wanted to take a Woman's position, I would disaprove just as much as I would if a Woman wanted to take a Man's position. It's by no means sexist, I would object both ways. It's obvious to me, both phsycologically, and physically, that men and women were intended for different purposes. It's foolhardy to assume that we can interchange them as we please.

Lansdowne5

Both genders are equal. Their roles though, are very different. If a Man wanted to take a Woman's position, I would disaprove just as much as I would if a Woman wanted to take a Man's position. It's by no means sexist, I would object both ways. It's obvious to me, both phsycologically, and physically, that men and women were intended for different purposes. It's foolhardy to assume that we can interchange them as we please.

Lansdowne5

Both genders are equal. Their roles though, are very different. If a Man wanted to take a Woman's position, I would disaprove just as much as I would if a Woman wanted to take a Man's position. It's by no means sexist, I would object both ways. It's obvious to me, both phsycologically, and physically, that men and women were intended for different purposes. It's foolhardy to assume that we can interchange them as we please.

Lansdowne5

Lans, I'd trade places in a heartbeat to stay at home with my kids and my wife work. But that's not how it is here. Our children seem to look at us equally.

In terms of mental capacity, I would have to say men and women are equal. 

What do you all think about raising children though?  Should women always get preference in custody battles, unless proven that she is uncapable?

OH yeah.  This MUST be posted!

Women, Know Your Place!

I don't know if this has been posted already.

Both genders are equal. Their roles though, are very different. If a Man wanted to take a Woman's position, I would disaprove just as much as I would if a Woman wanted to take a Man's position. It's by no means sexist, I would object both ways. It's obvious to me, both phsycologically, and physically, that men and women were intended for different purposes. It's foolhardy to assume that we can interchange them as we please.

Lansdowne5

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

Both genders are equal. Their roles though, are very different. If a Man wanted to take a Woman's position, I would disaprove just as much as I would if a Woman wanted to take a Man's position. It's by no means sexist, I would object both ways. It's obvious to me, both phsycologically, and physically, that men and women were intended for different purposes. It's foolhardy to assume that we can interchange them as we please.

cowboymonkey21

Sorry Lans.  Cowboymonkey: Don't hold your breath on that one.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

Both genders are equal. Their roles though, are very different. If a Man wanted to take a Woman's position, I would disaprove just as much as I would if a Woman wanted to take a Man's position. It's by no means sexist, I would object both ways. It's obvious to me, both phsycologically, and physically, that men and women were intended for different purposes. It's foolhardy to assume that we can interchange them as we please.

cowboymonkey21

The Bible "Versus" what? :P 

My reasoning is synonymous with Scripture. God ordained the roles. What God ordains is right. Going against what God ordains is wrong. 

[QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

Both genders are equal. Their roles though, are very different. If a Man wanted to take a Woman's position, I would disaprove just as much as I would if a Woman wanted to take a Man's position. It's by no means sexist, I would object both ways. It's obvious to me, both phsycologically, and physically, that men and women were intended for different purposes. It's foolhardy to assume that we can interchange them as we please.

Lansdowne5

The Bible "Versus" what? :P 

My reasoning is synonymous with Scripture. God ordained the roles. What God ordains is right. Going against what God ordains is wrong. 

What if God wasn't part of the picture? Would you still hold that belief? Also, women and men changing "roles" hasn't had any negative effects. So why has God prohibited it?

[QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

Both genders are equal. Their roles though, are very different. If a Man wanted to take a Woman's position, I would disaprove just as much as I would if a Woman wanted to take a Man's position. It's by no means sexist, I would object both ways. It's obvious to me, both phsycologically, and physically, that men and women were intended for different purposes. It's foolhardy to assume that we can interchange them as we please.

Lansdowne5

The Bible "Versus" what? :P

My reasoning is synonymous with Scripture. God ordained the roles. What God ordains is right. Going against what God ordains is wrong.

Please, keep your god out of this discussion Lans. While this topic remains in the AU, it does not pretain to religion. This is a discussion on the societal opinions of gender equality.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="cowboymonkey21"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]

Both genders are equal. Their roles though, are very different. If a Man wanted to take a Woman's position, I would disaprove just as much as I would if a Woman wanted to take a Man's position. It's by no means sexist, I would object both ways. It's obvious to me, both phsycologically, and physically, that men and women were intended for different purposes. It's foolhardy to assume that we can interchange them as we please.

Stryder1212

The Bible "Versus" what? :P

My reasoning is synonymous with Scripture. God ordained the roles. What God ordains is right. Going against what God ordains is wrong.

Please, keep your god out of this discussion Lans. While this topic remains in the AU, it does not pretain to religion. This is a discussion on the societal opinions of gender equality.

I randomly remembered this: Believe and not investigate...

PS: It's something along those words in greek and it has been one of Christianity's dogmatic quotes.

I agree with the sentiments of the first and second posts, and with the third in that I've also yet to hear a good argument against women's equality. I think it's absolutely sick to say that women shouldn't take positions of leadership or combat roles if they so desire just because of their sex.

Also, how is this different from say, saying that Blacks and Latin Americans should only do blue collar jobs and whites should hold positions of power? Aside from lack of mention in the Bible, of course. This assumes that you'd treat all races with totally equal respect, but just assert that it's only right for whites to be ahead of the rest.

One could also cite the case of Brown v. Board of Education, in which it was decided that separate but equal is inherently inequal. Sure, that's only legally, and then only in the United States, but I believe the concept holds true outside the law as well.

It isn't prejudice if you can claim it is the will of god.  :roll:  By the way isn't it a shame that we can't have slaves anymore, I mean god obviously designed the lower races to serve the higher ones; it says so in the bible repeatedly.   Sitri_

Chapters and verses, please. :) 

One could also cite the case of Brown v. Board of Education, in which it was decided that separate but equal is inherently inequal. 

AlternatingCaps

I just remembered how women have better insurance than men because they are better drivers. By previous logic mentioned in this thread, then one conclude that because women are better drivers than men, on average, then only women should be allowed to drive and men should be restricted to using the bus.

Oh, and by that same logic, I'm not being sexist.

[QUOTE="Sitri_"]It isn't prejudice if you can claim it is the will of god.  :roll:  By the way isn't it a shame that we can't have slaves anymore, I mean god obviously designed the lower races to serve the higher ones; it says so in the bible repeatedly.   Lansdowne5

Chapters and verses, please. :) 

[QUOTE="Sitri_"]It isn't prejudice if you can claim it is the will of god.  :roll:  By the way isn't it a shame that we can't have slaves anymore, I mean god obviously designed the lower races to serve the higher ones; it says so in the bible repeatedly.   Lansdowne5

Chapters and verses, please. :) 

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26710229&union_id=17275&msg_id=309444748#309444748

Awnsered there so it doesn't derail here.

I just remembered how women have better insurance than men because they are better drivers. By previous logic mentioned in this thread, then one conclude that because women are better drivers than men, on average, then only women should be allowed to drive and men should be restricted to using the bus.

Oh, and by that same logic, I'm not being sexist.

Genetic_Code

I am aware that women statistically have fewer accidents and tickets but I would speculate it is because women drive less often, not better.  When you see a man and a woman in a car, more often than not it is the man driving so we are given more opportunities to get tickets and accidents. 

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]

I just remembered how women have better insurance than men because they are better drivers. By previous logic mentioned in this thread, then one conclude that because women are better drivers than men, on average, then only women should be allowed to drive and men should be restricted to using the bus.

Oh, and by that same logic, I'm not being sexist.

Sitri_

I am aware that women statistically have fewer accidents and tickets but I would speculate it is because women drive less often, not better.  When you see a man and a woman in a car, more often than not it is the man driving so we are given more opportunities to get tickets and accidents. 

I think he said women drive better than men for the same reason he mentions god as "she". Partialy to tease, partially to show the opposite side, me thinks.Teenaged

No, I don't mean it in a religious sense at all. Sorry for the confusion.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]I think he said women drive better than men for the same reason he mentions god as "she". Partialy to tease, partially to show the opposite side, me thinks.Genetic_Code

No, I don't mean it in a religious sense at all. Sorry for the confusion.