In pure Islam uncorrupted by religious authority and tradition, it is. Android339
Well that's subjective. One cpuld easily say that an Islam without the hadith would be corrupt and detractive, especially seeing how the hadith is meant to clarify parts of the Qur'an.
The hadith to the Muslims are like the writings of the Church fathers to the Catholics. Respected, but not scriptural. The Qur'an is, indeed, vastly more important than the hadith. This is because the Qur'an is the word of God, and the hadith are the words of man. Never would any Muslim equate the authority of the Qur'an with the hadith.Android339
I don't think that is an apt comparison. The hadith is supossed to be used by Muslims on a regular basis, unlike the example you gave.
The hadith is more than just 'respected', it is essential.
Except that it is. The Qur'an is the only holy book of the Muslims. The hadith is, indeed, extricable from Islam. In any case, religion should not be defined by the history of its followers. Android339
Who decided what did and did not go in The Bible or the Qur'an? In that sense religion is influenced by the history of its followers.
I didn't even start to change the nature of the discussion. You are also entirely missing my point. I am not saying that everybody should have an intricate knowledge of religions they reject, as that would be impossible. I am simply saying that one must admit that one is not intelligently doing so. I also never said that people who don't even have a basic understanding of a religion shouldn't reject it, as would not that imply the acceptance of every religion not studied? No, they can reject it, but because they don't know anything about it they are doing so unintelligently. Android339
Well that's simply not the case, because at the start of this disussion you linked the rejection of religion unintelligently, which you now admit to being necessary, to bad thinking skills.
The acceptance of a denomination can be made intelligently, yet the rejection of all denominations would be hard to do in an intelligent manner. As you said, one is rejecting them simply because they already made a choice. Android339
Okay, then why should choosing a denomination be different from choosing a religion?
You can't blame people for rejecting religion unintelligently, when you yourself confessed to rejecting many denominations unintelligently.
Perhaps, but we are talking about religion, not scientific progress. Why anyone would waste their time delving through all religions from small to great is beyond me. It is impossible, and an intelligent rejection of all of them is therefore impossible. There must be some criteria. For instance, which religion has touched the most people? The answer is Christianity, so look there if you plan on searching. Yet you would also research Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, and likewise all the other religions that have touched people the most. Android339
It doesn't really matter whether it was religion or science. My point still remains, many people can be wrong about one thing.
This is true. It is a process of learning, however, and one cannot make a metaphysical assertion intelligently on a whim. Android339
That maybe so, but that doesn't necessitate 'studying' per se, only thinking,
I had no illusions that he constructed the ontological argument unintelligently. Yet he's not who we are talking about. He obviously thought about it a great deal, and put into effect his critical and analytical thinking skills. The same cannot be said, however, of everyone who rejects or accepts God's existence.Android339
But we've been speaking in general terms this whole debate. The point remains though, you don't have to study to make intelligent arguments about the existence of God.
He could deny them. I am not saying he couldn't. That person just isn't doing so intelligently.
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Of course he is, because the hypothetical person has studied and thought about the God hypothesis extensively, and rejected the hypothesis, therefore he can outright reject all theistic religions without having necessarily having to study them.
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