Atheist Guilt

Didn't you know. It's cool to hate popular and influential stuff.

"The Dark Knight was soooo overrated"

"Final Fantasy 7 was crap"

"The Ocarina of Time wasn't even that good of a game"

"The God Delusion was a bunch of bollocks"

"Man I'm so awesome and trendy"

"The Dark Knight was soooo overrated"

I was nurse Joker for halloween.

"Final Fantasy 7 was crap"

Its my second favorite next to X

"The Ocarina of Time wasn't even that good of a game"

I had to look it up to know what you were talking about, my gaming has been slacking the past few years.

"The God Delusion was a bunch of bollocks"

Read and enjoyed it mulitple times.

"Man I'm so awesome and trendy"

You seem like a decent enough bloke to me.

:) 

Don't worry, the stuff in quotation marks isn't my actual opinion. I was just trying to typify the various people who hate popular things to seem cool.

I actually loved the Dark Knight (especially Ledger's Joker)

I love Final Fantasy 7 to peices (but X is also my favourite)

I haven't actually played the Ocarina of Time (the first console I owned was a ps2)

I haven't read the God delusion

I am a decent bloke indeed.

Don't worry, the stuff in quotation marks isn't my actual opinion. I was just trying to typify the various people who hate popular things to seem cool.

I actually loved the Dark Knight (especially Ledger's Joker)

I love Final Fantasy 7 to peices (but X is also my favourite)

I haven't actually played the Ocarina of Time (the first console I owned was a ps2)

I haven't read the God delusion

I am a decent bloke indeed.

domatron23

I knew exactly what you meant.......I was just derailing my thread before anyone got a chance to respond..............

I found my joker pic from the bar I was at on their myspace site. 

(pic removed to hopefully get the topic back on track)

Ok now back to the serious **** that I was so gung ho about 4 minutes ago :roll:

Holy ****ing **** man.

Nice upper thighs.

I completely agree.

Some of those who are critcised are really great atheist figures -- which is why I am bemused when they are thought of disrespectfully.

I am just opposed to people grouping everyone who doesn't believe in God into the same group.  A sort of "us and them" divide.  If you group all the atheists together, to me it starts to resemble organized religion a little bit too much.

I'm glad that picture didn't show another inch of your thigh.  Wouldn't have been a pleasant site.

What is the motivation to so superficially slander a figurehead of a minority group of which you belong?Sitri_

No idea really. Although I haven't really seen any examples of what you speak. Can you provide some?

Not to mention that this was the first image he chose to show to us of him. It's all about the first impression after-all. :PTeenaged

:lol: Indeed!

I completely agree.

Some of those who are critcised are really great atheist figures -- which is why I am bemused when they are thought of disrespectfully.

MetalGear_Ninty

He gives atheists a bad name.  And this isn'tonly my opinion.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I completely agree.

Some of those who are critcised are really great atheist figures -- which is why I am bemused when they are thought of disrespectfully.

helium_flash

He gives atheists a bad name.  And this isn'tonly my opinion.

Not to mention that this was the first image he chose to show to us of him. It's all about the first impression after-all. :PTeenaged

I don't post pics of myself online, I think that leads to trouble more often than anything.  But that one was up on a bar's  website anyway and I think I had on enough make-up that I doubt anyone would recognize me in the pic unless they saw me that night.

[QUOTE="Sitri_"]What is the motivation to so superficially slander a figurehead of a minority group of which you belong?Forerunner-117

No idea really. Although I haven't really seen any examples of what you speak. Can you provide some?

I am in a bit of a hurry now but I will get you some a bit later. 

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I completely agree.

Some of those who are critcised are really great atheist figures -- which is why I am bemused when they are thought of disrespectfully.

helium_flash

He gives atheists a bad name.  And this isn'tonly my opinion.

I don't take media opinions as gospel......well seeing as I am an atheist maybe that is a fair analogy :P but reading his books and watching his interviews, I think he is a very funny, smart, and nice man.  Mainstream media doesn't do my thinking for me.

I haven't actually played the Ocarina of Time (the first console I owned was a ps2)

domatron23

That was an awesome game.

[QUOTE="domatron23"]

I haven't actually played the Ocarina of Time (the first console I owned was a ps2)

 

123625

That was an awesome game.

Alas when it was released I didn't even own a tv let alone a N64 

I am in a bit of a hurry now but I will get you some a bit later.

Sitri_

Okay no rush, sounds good. :)

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Some of those atheist figures, while they may be brilliant, don't do atheism any good.  Dawkins is a prime example:  he isn't seen as a funny, smart, nice man by the media.  He is seen as a spiteful and condecending man.

He gives atheists a bad name.  And this isn'tonly my opinion.

Sitri_

I don't take media opinions as gospel......well seeing as I am an atheist maybe that is a fair analogy :P but reading his books and watching his interviews, I think he is a very funny, smart, and nice man.  Mainstream media doesn't do my thinking for me.

Completely agree. I honestly don't see where people get these views that he is a "spiteful and condescending man." 

That was an awesome game.

123625

Hellz yeah it was! Definitely one of my favorite games of all time.

[QUOTE="Sitri_"]

I don't take media opinions as gospel......well seeing as I am an atheist maybe that is a fair analogy :P but reading his books and watching his interviews, I think he is a very funny, smart, and nice man.  Mainstream media doesn't do my thinking for me.

Forerunner-117

Completely agree. I honestly don't see where people get these views that he is a "spiteful and condescending man." 

The whole "brights" thing has always annoyed me and seemed very condescending.

[QUOTE="Forerunner-117"][QUOTE="Sitri_"]

I don't take media opinions as gospel......well seeing as I am an atheist maybe that is a fair analogy :P but reading his books and watching his interviews, I think he is a very funny, smart, and nice man.  Mainstream media doesn't do my thinking for me.

domatron23

Completely agree. I honestly don't see where people get these views that he is a "spiteful and condescending man." 

The whole "brights" thing has always annoyed me and seemed very condescending.

[QUOTE="Forerunner-117"][QUOTE="Sitri_"]

I don't take media opinions as gospel......well seeing as I am an atheist maybe that is a fair analogy :P but reading his books and watching his interviews, I think he is a very funny, smart, and nice man. Mainstream media doesn't do my thinking for me.

domatron23

Completely agree. I honestly don't see where people get these views that he is a "spiteful and condescending man."

The whole "brights" thing has always annoyed me and seemed very condescending.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I completely agree.

Some of those who are critcised are really great atheist figures -- which is why I am bemused when they are thought of disrespectfully.

helium_flash

He gives atheists a bad name. And this isn'tonly my opinion.

[QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I completely agree.

Some of those who are critcised are really great atheist figures -- which is why I am bemused when they are thought of disrespectfully.

MetalGear_Ninty

He gives atheists a bad name. And this isn'tonly my opinion.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I completely agree.

Some of those who are critcised are really great atheist figures -- which is why I am bemused when they are thought of disrespectfully.

Funky_Llama

He gives atheists a bad name. And this isn'tonly my opinion.

There's several things wrong with that statement.

a) Aside from anecdotal evidence -- there's nothing to suggest that Dawkins is as seen like H_F described. So really that accusation is baseless.

b) People are getting into this tendecy of saying what is or isn't good for atheism -- as if it was some sort of organised society which it isn't. It is very much an individual matter -- and such statements about what is good for atheism is a nonsense.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I completely agree.

Some of those who are critcised are really great atheist figures -- which is why I am bemused when they are thought of disrespectfully.

MetalGear_Ninty

He gives atheists a bad name. And this isn'tonly my opinion.

There's several things wrong with that statement.

a) Aside from anecdotal evidence -- there's nothing to suggest that Dawkins is as seen like H_F described. So really that accusation is baseless.

b) People are getting into this tendecy of saying what is or isn't good for atheism -- as if it was some sort of organised society which it isn't. It is very much an individual matter -- and such statements about what is good for atheism is a nonsense.

Also, is it a problem to organize atheism? :|

I would say having atheism respected would do wonders for those who consider themselves atheists.  You need to look at the situation from an outsider's view who doesn't know much about atheists or atheism in general.

Also, is it a problem to organize atheism? :|

helium_flash

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I completely agree.

Some of those who are critcised are really great atheist figures -- which is why I am bemused when they are thought of disrespectfully.

helium_flash

He gives atheists a bad name. And this isn'tonly my opinion.

There's several things wrong with that statement.

a) Aside from anecdotal evidence -- there's nothing to suggest that Dawkins is as seen like H_F described. So really that accusation is baseless.

b) People are getting into this tendecy of saying what is or isn't good for atheism -- as if it was some sort of organised society which it isn't. It is very much an individual matter -- and such statements about what is good for atheism is a nonsense.

Also, is it a problem to organize atheism? :|

And yes -- it is not necessarily a problem to organise atheism -- I just find it meaningless.

[QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Forerunner-117"][QUOTE="Sitri_"]

I don't take media opinions as gospel......well seeing as I am an atheist maybe that is a fair analogy :P but reading his books and watching his interviews, I think he is a very funny, smart, and nice man.  Mainstream media doesn't do my thinking for me.

helium_flash

Completely agree. I honestly don't see where people get these views that he is a "spiteful and condescending man." 

The whole "brights" thing has always annoyed me and seemed very condescending.

"Brights" thing?

[QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="domatron23"][QUOTE="Forerunner-117"][QUOTE="Sitri_"]

I don't take media opinions as gospel......well seeing as I am an atheist maybe that is a fair analogy :P but reading his books and watching his interviews, I think he is a very funny, smart, and nice man. Mainstream media doesn't do my thinking for me.

Forerunner-117

Completely agree. I honestly don't see where people get these views that he is a "spiteful and condescending man."

The whole "brights" thing has always annoyed me and seemed very condescending.

"Brights" thing?

It's some pointless attempt to rebrand Atheism. I really don't see why some people think it's necessary.

http://the-brights.net/

Sorry I probably should have included this link in my original comment.

It's some pointless attempt to rebrand Atheism. I really don't see why some people think it's necessary.

_glatisant_

Sorry I probably should have included this link in my original comment.

domatron23

Hah, no problem, dom. Anyway, that's... interesting. It does look rather pointless from a cursory glance...

[QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I completely agree.

Some of those who are critcised are really great atheist figures -- which is why I am bemused when they are thought of disrespectfully.

MetalGear_Ninty

He gives atheists a bad name. And this isn'tonly my opinion.

There's several things wrong with that statement.

a) Aside from anecdotal evidence -- there's nothing to suggest that Dawkins is as seen like H_F described. So really that accusation is baseless.

b) People are getting into this tendecy of saying what is or isn't good for atheism -- as if it was some sort of organised society which it isn't. It is very much an individual matter -- and such statements about what is good for atheism is a nonsense.

Also, is it a problem to organize atheism? :|

And yes -- it is not necessarily a problem to organise atheism -- I just find it meaningless.

Regardless, I don't have any atheist guilt as I'm not the type of person to put someone down like just to build my self-esteem.  But I do stick to the opinion that Dawkins builds a negative opinion of non-believers.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I completely agree.

Some of those who are critcised are really great atheist figures -- which is why I am bemused when they are thought of disrespectfully.

MetalGear_Ninty

He gives atheists a bad name. And this isn'tonly my opinion.

There's several things wrong with that statement.

a) Aside from anecdotal evidence -- there's nothing to suggest that Dawkins is as seen like H_F described. So really that accusation is baseless.

b) People are getting into this tendecy of saying what is or isn't good for atheism -- as if it was some sort of organised society which it isn't. It is very much an individual matter -- and such statements about what is good for atheism is a nonsense.

b) Point taken. Specifically, I was referring to to have atheism is percieved by society.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

I completely agree.

Some of those who are critcised are really great atheist figures -- which is why I am bemused when they are thought of disrespectfully.

Funky_Llama

He gives atheists a bad name. And this isn'tonly my opinion.

There's several things wrong with that statement.

a) Aside from anecdotal evidence -- there's nothing to suggest that Dawkins is as seen like H_F described. So really that accusation is baseless.

b) People are getting into this tendecy of saying what is or isn't good for atheism -- as if it was some sort of organised society which it isn't. It is very much an individual matter -- and such statements about what is good for atheism is a nonsense.

"If Nelson Mandella was revealed to be a sociopathic serial killer -- then I wouldn't like him any more." :P

I think Dom's on to something there, as well as there are many reasons those of us who are Atheists choose to be so.  Dawkins book, for example, may go against every reason why I'm an Atheist (it doesn't), which in turn may cause me to blabber out about him.  Again I think this serves no one.  If any Atheist gets a platform to speak, and does so coming from the heart, science, or however he or she came to not believe in God, and does so without sounding like a raving lunatic I can't see the problem.

That was jumbled as hell, awaits LLama's wrath :(, but I hope you get my point.

Yeah, the whole 'if' scenariois pretty useless.

"If Nelson Mandella was revealed to be a sociopathic serial killer -- then I wouldn't like him any more." :P

MetalGear_Ninty

Hmm. Seems fair enough to me. :P

I think Dom's on to something there, as well as there are many reasons those of us who are Atheists choose to be so.  Dawkins book, for example, may go against every reason why I'm an Atheist (it doesn't), which in turn may cause me to blabber out about him.  Again I think this serves no one.  If any Atheist gets a platform to speak, and does so coming from the heart, science, or however he or she came to not believe in God, and does so without sounding like a raving lunatic I can't see the problem.

That was jumbled as hell, awaits LLama's wrath :(, but I hope you get my point.

btaylor2404

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]

I think Dom's on to something there, as well as there are many reasons those of us who are Atheists choose to be so.  Dawkins book, for example, may go against every reason why I'm an Atheist (it doesn't), which in turn may cause me to blabber out about him.  Again I think this serves no one.  If any Atheist gets a platform to speak, and does so coming from the heart, science, or however he or she came to not believe in God, and does so without sounding like a raving lunatic I can't see the problem.

That was jumbled as hell, awaits LLama's wrath :(, but I hope you get my point.

Funky_Llama

Ahh now killing me with kindness. :)  Sorry I had a point there, just couldn't put it in a coherent sentence.

The same reason why most Christians dismiss the WBC: the only people who like to be associated with fanatics are other fanatics.

The big difference here is that the WBC are not considered by Christians to be leaders of Christian movements by any stretch of the imagination.

The same reason why most Christians dismiss the WBC: the only people who like to be associated with fanatics are other fanatics.

The big difference here is that the WBC are not considered by Christians to be leaders of Christian movements by any stretch of the imagination.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

The same reason why most Christians dismiss the WBC: the only people who like to be associated with fanatics are other fanatics.

The big difference here is that the WBC are not considered by Christians to be leaders of Christian movements by any stretch of the imagination.

MetalGear_Ninty

Dawkins wasn't explicitly mentioned in the OP, so I wasn't.

Dawkins is, however, still pretty much a fanatic. Not as extreme as the WBC, but on the same line. There's a reason why atheists criticize his methods--just as there's a reason why Christians criticize the methods of the WBC.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

The same reason why most Christians dismiss the WBC: the only people who like to be associated with fanatics are other fanatics.

The big difference here is that the WBC are not considered by Christians to be leaders of Christian movements by any stretch of the imagination.

Theokhoth

Dawkins wasn't explicitly mentioned in the OP, so I wasn't.

Dawkins is, however, still pretty much a fanatic. Not as extreme as the WBC, but on the same line. There's a reason why atheists criticize his methods--just as there's a reason why Christians criticize the methods of the WBC.

I just don't know in what sense you could call the guy a 'fanatic'.

Explicitly mentioned? No. Heavily implied? Yes.

I just don't know in what sense you could call the guy a 'fanatic'.

MetalGear_Ninty

What is a fanatic to you?

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

Explicitly mentioned? No. Heavily implied? Yes.

I just don't know in what sense you could call the guy a 'fanatic'.

Theokhoth

What is a fanatic to you?

That pretty much sums it up.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

Explicitly mentioned? No. Heavily implied? Yes.

I just don't know in what sense you could call the guy a 'fanatic'.

MetalGear_Ninty

What is a fanatic to you?

That pretty much sums it up.

Okay, then.

Forerunner sorry I have been away for a bit and never got back to you with examples but hopefully the holes seem to of filled themselves in. 

I don't really subscribe to the "brights" idea, but I think the attempt at memetic engineering wasn't to be pretentious but rather get rid of the stigma associated with the word "atheist."  I have never seen it explicitly stated but I have always thought it metaphorically linked to Lucifer (light-bringer.)

Atheist don't need guilt in them. Don't worry atheist will soon get their day.SSBFan12

It was more of a play on words.  White Guilt is a phenomena where white people are unnecessarily depreciating to their own group, those causes are different but that was the........pun.....that I was working from.