Zelda U Will Not Be Made Around Puzzles!

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#1 Edited by Gue1 (12171 posts) -

OMG FINALLY! A Zelda game that will not be made around puzzles! I've been waiting for this for years! Oh dear, at last they are doing something to change the formula of this overrated stale franchise. No more braindead but still tedious puzzles for children about pushing blocks... You really do need to read the quote to believe it. It's like he's finally cutting off the leash, he's realizing that we are grown-ups now and we aren't that stupid either.

Aonuma: I think people have come to just assume that puzzle-solving will exist in a Zelda game, and I kinda wanna change that, maybe turn it on its ear.

As a player progresses through any game, they're making choices. They're making hopefully logical choices to progress them in the game. And when I hear 'puzzle solving' I think of like moving blocks so that a door opens or something like that. But I feel like making those logical choices and taking information that you received previously and making decisions based on that can also be a sort of puzzle-solving. So I wanna kinda rethink or maybe reconstruct the idea of puzzle-solving within the Zelda universe.

http://kotaku.com/the-new-zelda-might-not-have-the-puzzles-you-expect-1590544423

The next thing to go is the stupid auto-targetting system and then we are in for something truly new in the franchise since Ocarina of Time.

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#2 Edited by MonsieurX (35003 posts) -

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#3 Edited by Gue1 (12171 posts) -

look at the comment section at kotaku. lol, there's already a bunch of butthurt nintendo fanboys raging about the statement. This is why nintendo fanboys can't be taken seriously, these guys just live in the past and enjoy games mostly through nostalgia and bias than anything else. Like if solving braindead linear puzzles were anything to cry about.

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#4 Posted by Kaze_no_Mirai (11746 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

look at the comment section at kotaku. lol, there's already a bunch of butthurt nintendo fanboys raging about the statement. This is why nintendo fanboys can't be taken seriously, these guys just live in the past and enjoy games mostly through nostalgia and bias than anything else. Like if solving braindead linear puzzles were anything to cry about.

It's a key aspect of the franchise, if you don't like it that's on you. It's like Metal Gear Solid dropping stealth and going as a FPS. It seems logical people wouldn't like that statement.

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#5 Edited by nintendoboy16 (30980 posts) -

Yeah, I'm not sure about this...

EDIT: Reading more into this. Go ahead and say it, @LordQuorthon.

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#6 Posted by drekula2 (3349 posts) -

What I got from that statement wasn't that Aunoma was going to abandon puzzles but rather expand the definition of what a puzzle is.

The problem with the puzzles of the Zelda series is that they have gotten predictable.

(A) Spatial reasoning ; block puzzles
(B) Item/Trigger puzzles; light a torch, latch onto a hookshot
(C) Search for keys to enter locked doors

These types of puzzles have gotten predictable, so I commend Aunoma for trying to expand from them.

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#7 Posted by big_mak523 (210 posts) -

I can see why people would be upset. People play Zelda for the puzzles and dungeons. At least that's why people I know play Zelda. The Fear is that people want this game to be an RPG. They want it like skyrim and Dark souls, or the Witcher. In reality Zelda is not any of those games, and to me they aren't even close. Luckily for me, I love the new direction that Zelda is taking, but it is easy to see why some people might be worried. Zelda is probably the best series in gaming and solving puzzles are a big part of that. Hopefully they don't just remove it completely but think of more interesting and challenging puzzles to give us. A zelda without puzzles completely seems like a huge mistake.

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#8 Posted by bbkkristian (14971 posts) -

Zelda has never been about the puzzle solving to me. It has been about the experiences, the gameplay, the dungeon crawling, whopping enemies with my bow, sword and other items, some musical integration, the amazing areas to explore. Puzzle solving is near at the end of the list. But do know that "puzzle solving " is integrated in all games, if the definition is broad enough. With it being open world, I doubt they are ditching puzzles, but they are going to rethink them.

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#9 Edited by seanmcloughlin (38222 posts) -

Fans of the series will despise that. I think it's a good idea to change stuff up, maybe not remove them altogether but at least try something new

EDIT: Trust me to read what OP said instead of the actual article

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#10 Edited by Pikminmaniac (10730 posts) -

So Aonuma stating that he'll change the types of puzzle solving present in the next Zelda= they're taking puzzles out of Zelda... Good one Gue?

P.S. No one can read on system wars confirmed?

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#11 Posted by locopatho (22567 posts) -

@drekula2 said:

What I got from that statement wasn't that Aunoma was going to abandon puzzles but rather expand the definition of what a puzzle is.

The problem with the puzzles of the Zelda series is that they have gotten predictable.

(A) Spatial reasoning ; block puzzles

(B) Item/Trigger puzzles; light a torch, latch onto a hookshot

(C) Search for keys to enter locked doors

These types of puzzles have gotten predictable, so I commend Aunoma for trying to expand from them.

Yes to all this.

@Kaze_no_Mirai said:

It's like Metal Gear Solid dropping stealth and going as a FPS. It seems logical people wouldn't like that statement.

Nah, it's more like MGS keeping it's stealth but refreshing itself by going open world. Keep the series heart intact, but expand and renew it :3

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#12 Edited by AzatiS (10935 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

look at the comment section at kotaku. lol, there's already a bunch of butthurt nintendo fanboys raging about the statement. This is why nintendo fanboys can't be taken seriously, these guys just live in the past and enjoy games mostly through nostalgia and bias than anything else. Like if solving braindead linear puzzles were anything to cry about.

Yeah i get what you mean ... i had 2 guys yesterday talkint about how good TP/SS were ... One went as far to call all zelda games super innovative ( which clearly some of Zelda games werent , specially the latest ) ...

Anyways you cant beat fanboys even if you have legit reasons they wont listen. Finally a Zelda that will provide something else than the "safe" formula and im eager to see more. I dont think puzzles will entirely be missing .

The only worry i got is , how big the world will be... Open world sounds fantastic no doubt but how big is a concern.

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#13 Posted by pyro1245 (1440 posts) -

It doesn't sound like they are going to nix the 'puzzles', but rather just get rid of the simple intermittent chores like lighting torches to open doors and stuff like that. I'm sure we'll still be crawling through dungeons, opening shortcuts and maybe finding some keys.

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#14 Posted by PrincessGomez92 (4474 posts) -

Nowhere does it say they're getting rid of them. Gue1 can't read apparently.

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#15 Posted by DJ-Lafleur (34963 posts) -

I'd be fine with Aunoma changing up how puzzles work, though I don't want them to ever be gone altogether.

From what it sounds like that is what Aunoma is wanting to do, so I think this is a good thing.

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#16 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22908 posts) -

Learn to read

He said he's changing the way puzzles are layed out, not getting rid of them

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#17 Edited by Cloud_imperium (13810 posts) -

Ya that sounds pretty cool and I was amazed at idea , when I first heard about it from him . There WILL be puzzles but different than previous games . From what I've understood , platforming and stuff will be done to reach difficult places within the vast world .

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#18 Posted by bbkkristian (14971 posts) -

@locopatho: does open world automatically make games better? From peoples' reactions, not just from this game, that's what it seems.

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#19 Posted by Sword-Demon (7007 posts) -

I have no problem with this.

When a "puzzle" consists of pushing a block onto a switch or reflecting a beam of light onto a symbol to open a door, you might as well just do away with it.

If you're going to put in puzzles, I want them to actually make me think.

I do like the water temples in OoT and TP though, where it's like the entire dungeon is a puzzle, I hope they keep stuff like that.

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#20 Posted by inb4uall (6564 posts) -

lol kotatu.

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#21 Posted by mems_1224 (54733 posts) -

Whats wrong? Are you too dumb for Zelda puzzles or something?

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#22 Posted by inb4uall (6564 posts) -

@Shinobishyguy said:

Learn to read

He said he's changing the way puzzles are layed out, not getting rid of them

You're giving cows too much credit.

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#23 Edited by nini200 (11477 posts) -

I'll give it a shot. I like Zelda but I am not going to trade in my soul for it like some of these fans will. I say let's see how this turns out. I'm liking what I saw from it already so hopefully it turns out great.

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#24 Edited by drekula2 (3349 posts) -

@mems_1224 said:

Whats wrong? Are you too dumb for Zelda puzzles or something?

No, it's just that we're too smart for torch-liting puzzles, block puzzles, use X item here puzzles and find the key puzzles and we want something new.

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#25 Posted by PrincessGomez92 (4474 posts) -

@drekula2 said:

@mems_1224 said:

Whats wrong? Are you too dumb for Zelda puzzles or something?

No, it's just that we're too smart for torch-liting puzzles, block puzzles, use X item here puzzles and find the key puzzles and we want something new.

Not Gue1 though apparently. He couldn't even read what he posted.

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#26 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (18711 posts) -

I'm glad. The puzzles have always been so simplistic in Zelda.

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#27 Posted by locopatho (22567 posts) -

@bbkkristian said:

@locopatho: does open world automatically make games better? From peoples' reactions, not just from this game, that's what it seems.

If it doesn't damage other key aspects of the game, yes. It's harder to do well, compared to linear games. And I'd rather a quality linear game than a shoddy open world one.

But when done correctly, it means more freedom, more choices, more exploration, more paths to victory, more emergent gameplay, more replayability... it is essentially crack to me (and many others).

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#28 Posted by Spitfire-Six (1062 posts) -

YES !!

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#29 Posted by lundy86_4 (47261 posts) -

This is sounding pretty damn cool. I feel like I need to go back and play some Zelda games I missed.

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#30 Posted by freedomfreak (48493 posts) -

Yeah, that's exactly what the article says.

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#31 Posted by Flubbbs (4482 posts) -

add voice acting and i would be happy

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#32 Edited by TilxWLOC (1164 posts) -

It sounds good to me. I liked the puzzles they had, but I'm excited for more interesting and, possibly, more difficult puzzles. Although, it sounds like the puzzles might just be more like Metroid, which, I'm cool with, but it wouldn't be too new.

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#33 Posted by DocSanchez (3495 posts) -

@locopatho: That's how I feel. There is a place for linear games today as they can be more controlled but the freedom offered by open world is really something I've always loved. Exploring, finding things on your own, different paths.

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#34 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

I frankly still want puzzles. Puzzle dungeons like Zelda are pretty much none existent in other games.

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#35 Posted by MBirdy88 (10934 posts) -

@princessgomez92 said:

Nowhere does it say they're getting rid of them. Gue1 can't read apparently.

he complains about puzzzles.... probably only plays brain dead shooters. I dunno... I think they are more mindless than those "kiddy puzzles" "dur theres a terorist over there, SHOOT IT"

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#36 Edited by speedfreak48t5p (11752 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:

God bless Ron Paul for giving us this glorious GIF.

And thank you Nintendo.

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#37 Posted by heretrix (37738 posts) -

I would love for Zelda to expand into a quest based progression system with puzzles integrated into them that aren't brain teasers for 4 year olds.Not that those aren't fun for awhile, but some change would be good. The problem I have with a lot of Japanese game development is that they get stuck in their ways not realizing that they would probably do some amazing shit if they just......TRIED.

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#38 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (19564 posts) -

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! ! ! Bring My Puzzles back ! ! ! :(

games like Tomb Raider and Darksiders were inspired by Zelda and its puzzles... Please don't take that away ! :(

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#39 Edited by KungfuKitten (22860 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

look at the comment section at kotaku. lol, there's already a bunch of butthurt nintendo fanboys raging about the statement. This is why nintendo fanboys can't be taken seriously, these guys just live in the past and enjoy games mostly through nostalgia and bias than anything else. Like if solving braindead linear puzzles were anything to cry about.

COD gamers must be very nostalgic.

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#40 Posted by m_machine024 (15316 posts) -

Hmm what kind of dungeons do you want TC? Dungeons with linear design and simply killing every thing on sight? What's wrong with puzzles in dungeons? I seriously don't follow.

Also Z targeting is optional.... not that there's anything wrong with targeting a enemy in the first place. Are you complaining about Dark Souls targeting also? Or maybe you're talking about the camera movement? (that'd be a legit complain tho)

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#41 Posted by ConanTheStoner (12152 posts) -

Don't let these guys get you down OP, I don't like reading either.

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#42 Posted by aroxx_ab (12502 posts) -

Seen the new WiiU trailer? I think WiiU Zelda will be a grasscutting NIGHTMARE...lol

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#43 Posted by EducatingU_PCMR (1418 posts) -

When the puzzles are as idiotic as Uncharted's there's no much sense including them.

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#44 Posted by Heil68 (56029 posts) -

Now it's time for Link to be able to dismember and decapitate his enemies.

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#45 Posted by 93BlackHawk93 (7835 posts) -

I still want puzzles.

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#46 Posted by PsychoLemons (2942 posts) -

Neutral on that statement.

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#47 Posted by spike6958 (5987 posts) -

I hope there are still some traditional puzzles, because if it becomes all action, it'll suffer just as equally as it does now. I don't wanna spend a whole dungeon just killing stuff any more than I wanna spend it pushing blocks.

I want challenging puzzles AND fun combat. Choices are good too, but as a replacement for puzzles I don't think it's a great idea, I mean I like having the choice of what order I take on dungeons and such, but I don't think choices could really go too much deeper than that for a Zelda game, because as much as they talk about turning the series on it's head I can't believe there ever gonna go all out and let you choose to be good or evil in the game.

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#48 Edited by superbuuman (4726 posts) -

@drekula2 said:

What I got from that statement wasn't that Aunoma was going to abandon puzzles but rather expand the definition of what a puzzle is.

The problem with the puzzles of the Zelda series is that they have gotten predictable.

(A) Spatial reasoning ; block puzzles

(B) Item/Trigger puzzles; light a torch, latch onto a hookshot

(C) Search for keys to enter locked doors

These types of puzzles have gotten predictable, so I commend Aunoma for trying to expand from them.

^ This..is what Im thinking also ..but hey if he's gonna totally change it up, I don't mind it also...I'd give a different Zelda game a shot...don't care about butthurt Zelda fanboys. :P

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#49 Edited by trugs26 (7113 posts) -

Slightly concerning. To me, that's the core of Zelda. There's three pillars to Zelda: Puzzles, exploration and combat. I think Puzzle solving is the biggest pillar of the three, followed by exploration, then combat.

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#50 Posted by GreySeal9 (28088 posts) -

@ConanTheStoner said:

Don't let these guys get you down OP, I don't like reading either.

lol