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#1 MayorJohnny
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In some ways, this generation is weaker than the last two.

Where are the consistently awesome games in a VARIETY OF GENRES that was abundant in the late '90s through to the end of 2005? Where are the highly interesting games that aren't just "Teh Mature!!!1" or have to be a gory action game?

Downloadable content overload... Firmware and patches galore... A general increase in unneccessary profanity in games for "cool" factor... What happened? What in the world happened!? :question:

Let's wind the clock back five years, these devs and comps wouldn't dare cross any of you. I mean, what happened!? Did your buttons fall off?

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In some ways, this generation is weaker than the last two.

Where are the consistently awesome games in a VARIETY OF GENRES that was abundant in the late '90s through to the end of 2005? Where are the highly interesting games that aren't just "Teh Mature!!!1" or have to be a gory action game?

Downloadable content overload... Firmware and patches galore... A general increase in unneccessary profanity in games for "cool" factor... What happened? What in the world happened!? :question:

Let's wind the clock back five years, these devs and comps wouldn't dare cross any of you. I mean, what happened!? Did your buttons fall off?

MayorJohnny

Its the batman.

And also, you know what we could all do to help out the gaming industry? It's simple...uh, we kill... the batman.

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[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

In some ways, this generation is weaker than the last two.

Where are the consistently awesome games in a VARIETY OF GENRES that was abundant in the late '90s through to the end of 2005? Where are the highly interesting games that aren't just "Teh Mature!!!1" or have to be a gory action game?

Downloadable content overload... Firmware and patches galore... A general increase in unneccessary profanity in games for "cool" factor... What happened? What in the world happened!? :question:

Let's wind the clock back five years, these devs and comps wouldn't dare cross any of you. I mean, what happened!? Did your buttons fall off?

PSdual_wielder

Its the batman.

And also, you know what we could all do to help out the gaming industry? It's simple...uh, we kill... the batman.

LOL! :lol:

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:lol:Funny, I watched that ealier today in BluRay.

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#5 whatisazerg
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I loved gaming in the past.... but I'm enjoying this gen much more than the last...... maybe because I have a whole lot more disposable income this gen, I dunno.

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:lol:Funny, I watched that ealier today in BluRay.

FFCYAN

Heh, The Dark Knight FTW! :D

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ok first off, as an owner of every current console, i can say, if you own a 360 i wonder why, all fpses .

where as wii and ps3 ,

they offer racing games platforming games on rail shooters etc ,

but like you i do agree , but its not last gen its the 16 bit gen for me ,

the best ever , top gear

super mairo kart zombies ate my neighbors , mario bros world rpg sonic etc, n64 gen was great to ,, last gen , well it was so so , timesplitters all nintendo and sony games, then ms being new i had to try it, i loved it but this gen ,

i dont know maybe its the lack of split screen multiplayer one of the top reasons i hate the 360 or ps3,

is the lack , of it,

but theres reasons their good to ,

i mean if it werent for wii, i dont know how bored i would have gotten , because we all know early well 2 yrs in ps3 had littler to nothing ,

and all 360 had was fps and racing games,

wii had a great line up still does, today ,

its right up there with n64 snes ps1 ps2 , ps3 may come a good 2nd

but as we stand, i think wii was needed, i jsut had a blast with kill zone 2, but then theres mario kart , i dont know how many times i play this and still have fun

red steel got a little play time ,, ,

i got a good long list of games i dont wanna bother , tc its all up to what you play, i play a good variety , fighting -ssbb , family;/borad-monopoly wii , marioparty racing -mariokart pgr 4 gta/sandbox - gta saint row driver -wii ps3 360 respectivelly ,

platforming -mario galaxy adventure=zelda metriod , sports-wwe nascar etc, on rail shooters, -house of the dead 2/3 wii , dead rising etc , ive found many wii/ps3/360 /ds /psp games i like to play plus if im bored i got the whole back library lol for my n64 nes snes ps1 ps2 gba gbc gb gg gb xbox gc, atari 2600

plus my current consoles, \lol \

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1: Please show this amazing variety of quality games in different genres in the 16-bit era. There was a ton of amazing games but not in nearly as many genres as there is today.

2. There is a great variety now on the consoles.

3. Gamers have looked for "mature" and "gory" games sense Doom, Mortal Kombat and games before them so this is absolutely nothing new and this gen should not be blamed for something it doesn't do.

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Its simple...

We kill Cliffy B.

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#10 JLF1
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ok first off, as an owner of every current console, i can say, if you own a 360 i wonder why, all fpses .

where as wii and ps3 ,

they offer racing games platforming games on rail shooters etc ,

but like you i do agree , but its not last gen its the 16 bit gen for me ,

the best ever , top gear

super mairo kart zombies ate my neighbors , mario bros world rpg sonic etc, n64 gen was great to ,, last gen , well it was so so , timesplitters all nintendo and sony games, then ms being new i had to try it, i loved it but this gen ,

i dont know maybe its the lack of split screen multiplayer one of the top reasons i hate the 360 or ps3,

is the lack , of it,

but theres reasons their good to ,

i mean if it werent for wii, i dont know how bored i would have gotten , because we all know early well 2 yrs in ps3 had littler to nothing ,

and all 360 had was fps and racing games,

wii had a great line up still does, today ,

its right up there with n64 snes ps1 ps2 , ps3 may come a good 2nd

but as we stand, i think wii was needed, i jsut had a blast with kill zone 2, but then theres mario kart , i dont know how many times i play this and still have fun

red steel got a little play time ,, ,

i got a good long list of games i dont wanna bother , tc its all up to what you play, i play a good variety , fighting -ssbb , family;/borad-monopoly wii , marioparty racing -mariokart pgr 4 gta/sandbox - gta saint row driver -wii ps3 360 respectivelly ,

platforming -mario galaxy adventure=zelda metriod , sports-wwe nascar etc, on rail shooters, -house of the dead 2/3 wii , dead rising etc , ive found many wii/ps3/360 /ds /psp games i like to play plus if im bored i got the whole back library lol for my n64 nes snes ps1 ps2 gba gbc gb gg gb xbox gc, atari 2600

plus my current consoles, \lol \

mariokart64fan


The 360 has the best variety of any consoles this generation.

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#11 whatisazerg
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1: Please show this amazing variety of quality game in different genres in the 16-bit era. There was a ton of amazing games but not in nearly as many genres as there is today.

2. There is a great variety now on the consoles.

3. Gamers have looked for "mature" and "gory" games sense Doom, Mortal Kombat and games before them so this is absolutely nothing new and tis gen should not be blamed for something it doesn't do.

JLF1

what he said

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1: Please show this amazing variety of quality game in different genres in the 16-bit era. There was a ton of amazing games but not in nearly as many genres as there is today.

2. There is a great variety now on the consoles.

3. Gamers have looked for "mature" and "gory" games sense Doom, Mortal Kombat and games before them so this is absolutely nothing new and tis gen should not be blamed for something it doesn't do.

JLF1

1. I didn't mention 16 bit games. I was talking about games from the last two generations of consoles only.

2. Oh? Quantity is not variety. Where are the high quality 3D platformers, adventure games, and family friendly games that aren't just shovelware (and not just on Wii)?

3. Yes, that's right. Well, what is the logical point of a noticeable increase of unneccessary profanity in a lot of these "mature" games? I guess that one reason is because it must make games more "cool" and "gritty." There's too much focus on making games more cinematic, and it dilutes the magic ofit (IMO).

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[QUOTE="JLF1"]

1: Please show this amazing variety of quality game in different genres in the 16-bit era. There was a ton of amazing games but not in nearly as many genres as there is today.

2. There is a great variety now on the consoles.

3. Gamers have looked for "mature" and "gory" games sense Doom, Mortal Kombat and games before them so this is absolutely nothing new and tis gen should not be blamed for something it doesn't do.

MayorJohnny

1. I didn'tmention 16 bit games. I was talking about games from the the last two generations of consoles only.

2. Oh? Quantity is not variety. Where are the high quality 3D platformers, adventure games, and family friendly games that aren't just shovelware?

3. Yes, that's right.Well, what is the logical point of a noticeable increase of unneccessary profanity in a lot of these "mature" games? One reason is because it must make games more "cool" and "gritty." There's too much focus on making games more cinematic, and it dilutes the magic of it (IMO).

I agree. Gameplay needs to be THEE forefront of any videogame. Cinamatics are getting too long. That's not what games are about.

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#14 JLF1
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[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

1: Please show this amazing variety of quality game in different genres in the 16-bit era. There was a ton of amazing games but not in nearly as many genres as there is today.

2. There is a great variety now on the consoles.

3. Gamers have looked for "mature" and "gory" games sense Doom, Mortal Kombat and games before them so this is absolutely nothing new and tis gen should not be blamed for something it doesn't do.

FFCYAN

1. I didn'tmention 16 bit games. I was talking about games from the the last two generations of consoles only.

2. Oh? Quantity is not variety. Where are the high quality 3D platformers, adventure games, and family friendly games that aren't just shovelware?

3. Yes, that's right.Well, what is the logical point of a noticeable increase of unneccessary profanity in a lot of these "mature" games? One reason is because it must make games more "cool" and "gritty." There's too much focus on making games more cinematic, and it dilutes the magic of it (IMO).

I agree. Gameplay needs to be THEE forefront of any videogame. Cinamatics are getting too long. That's not what games are about.

Who are you to say what a game is? some genres like RPG has always had long cinematics. The only reason there is more story in the games today is because story is actually something games have never really done in a good way before.

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[QUOTE="JLF1"]

1: Please show this amazing variety of quality game in different genres in the 16-bit era. There was a ton of amazing games but not in nearly as many genres as there is today.

2. There is a great variety now on the consoles.

3. Gamers have looked for "mature" and "gory" games sense Doom, Mortal Kombat and games before them so this is absolutely nothing new and tis gen should not be blamed for something it doesn't do.

MayorJohnny

1. I didn't mention 16 bit games. I was talking about games from the last two generations of consoles only.

2. Oh? Quantity is not variety. Where are the high quality 3D platformers, adventure games, and family friendly games that aren't just shovelware (and not just on Wii)?

3. Yes, that's right. Well, what is the logical point of a noticeable increase of unneccessary profanity in a lot of these "mature" games? I guess that one reason is because it must make games more "cool" and "gritty." There's too much focus on making games more cinematic, and it dilutes the magic ofit (IMO).



2. Banjo kazooie:NaB, Ratchet and Clank:ToD, Little Big Planet, Kameo. Adventure games as in Myst? these have never been huge on consoles.
Singstar, rockband, guitat hero, scene it, lips! all family friendly.

On the 360 you can find quality games in:

FPS
TPS
RTS
TBS
Adventure game
Platformers, 2D and 3D
Arcade racers
Sim Racers
Arcade flight games
Puzzle games
WRPG
JRPG
SJRPG
Music games
Retro games
Sport games

How is this not good variety?

3. This generation has not started any noticeable increase of unneccessary profanity in a lot of these "mature" games. It was just as bad last generation and the gen before it.

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Who are you to say what a game is? some genres like RPG has always had long cinematics. The only reason there is more story in the games today is because story is actually something games have never really done in a good way before.

JLF1

The quality of videogame stories has been on a steady decline since ~2000.

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#17 JLF1
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[QUOTE="JLF1"]

Who are you to say what a game is? some genres like RPG has always had long cinematics. The only reason there is more story in the games today is because story is actually something games have never really done in a good way before.

RobbieH1234

The quality of videogame stories has been on a steady decline since ~2000.


In some genres yes but other has just started getting into the story part of games.

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It seems that this gen, the only titles that REALLY stand out are just shooters.. every now and then, youll get a fighter, a platformer or a racer, but the vast majority are shooters. and after a few years, that gets very old

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#19 RobbieH1234
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Its the batman.

And also, you know what we could all do to help out the gaming industry? It's simple...uh, we kill... the batman.

PSdual_wielder

How about a magic trick?

Ta-daa! It's...it's gone.


In some genres yes but other has just started getting into the story part of games.

JLF1

Well...shooters, WRPGs and adventure games definitely have worse stories now. I'm not sure about some of the other genres, but we had the likes of Planescape: Torment, Deus Ex, System Shock 2, Grim Fandango, The Longest Journey and Baldur's Gate 2 back then which was when videogames peaked as a whole in terms of story.

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#20 ImOldGreg
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:lol:Funny, I watched that ealier today in BluRay.

FFCYAN
Ditto! :P
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#21 ImOldGreg
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All you care about is Reveiws! This forum deserves a better class of Gamer annd Im gonna give it em!

Its not about reveiws...iiits about sending A message...Everthing Flops!

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[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]

:lol:Funny, I watched that ealier today in BluRay.

Heh, The Dark Knight FTW! :D

The best EVER!:D:D:D
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X-WING vs TIE FIGHTER ftw!!!!!!!!!
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[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

In some ways, this generation is weaker than the last two.

Where are the consistently awesome games in a VARIETY OF GENRES that was abundant in the late '90s through to the end of 2005? Where are the highly interesting games that aren't just "Teh Mature!!!1" or have to be a gory action game?

Downloadable content overload... Firmware and patches galore... A general increase in unneccessary profanity in games for "cool" factor... What happened? What in the world happened!? :question:

Let's wind the clock back five years, these devs and comps wouldn't dare cross any of you. I mean, what happened!? Did your buttons fall off?

PSdual_wielder

Its the batman.

And also, you know what we could all do to help out the gaming industry? It's simple...uh, we kill... the batman.

This thread was full of win after these first 2 posts.

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All you care about is Reveiws! This forum deserves a better class of Gamer annd Im gonna give it em!

Its not about reveiws...iiits about sending A message...Everthing Flops!

ImOldGreg

LOL! Awesome! :lol:

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#26 MayorJohnny
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[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

1: Please show this amazing variety of quality game in different genres in the 16-bit era. There was a ton of amazing games but not in nearly as many genres as there is today.

2. There is a great variety now on the consoles.

3. Gamers have looked for "mature" and "gory" games sense Doom, Mortal Kombat and games before them so this is absolutely nothing new and tis gen should not be blamed for something it doesn't do.

JLF1

1. I didn't mention 16 bit games. I was talking about games from the last two generations of consoles only.

2. Oh? Quantity is not variety. Where are the high quality 3D platformers, adventure games, and family friendly games that aren't just shovelware (and not just on Wii)?

3. Yes, that's right. Well, what is the logical point of a noticeable increase of unneccessary profanity in a lot of these "mature" games? I guess that one reason is because it must make games more "cool" and "gritty." There's too much focus on making games more cinematic, and it dilutes the magic ofit (IMO).



2. Banjo kazooie:NaB, Ratchet and Clank:ToD, Little Big Planet, Kameo. Adventure games as in Myst? these have never been huge on consoles.
Singstar, rockband, guitat hero, scene it, lips! all family friendly.

On the 360 you can find quality games in:

FPS
TPS
RTS
TBS
Adventure game
Platformers, 2D and 3D
Arcade racers
Sim Racers
Arcade flight games
Puzzle games
WRPG
JRPG
SJRPG
Music games
Retro games
Sport games

How is this not good variety?

3. This generation has not started any noticeable increase of unneccessary profanity in a lot of these "mature" games. It was just as bad last generation and the gen before it.

2. None of those games are traditional 3D platformers. Kameo: Elements of Power is a good example of an adventure game; however,there needs to more games like that, and not just from RARE. It's as if a lot of developers are insecure about the platform genre, and add some gimmick to it (example is Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts, though I haven't played it). They could've been innovative without altering the fundamentals of what makes it a platformer. Look at Super Mario Galaxy. It had a fresh control scheme and unique level design, yet the core gameplay wasn't changed.

I'm not going after the Xbox 360 only. The PS3 doesn't yet have the same great variety that the PS2 had. Actually, I think that the variety of quality games from third parties is the worst. So, I'm not being a fanboy.

3. Oh really? Where was it in FPS games such as Perfect Dark, the Turok series, Quake II, etc... I think even the original Half-Life (which I've played some before). These are just some examples, and I didn't see the "language" descriptor on near as many games then.

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[QUOTE="JLF1"]

Who are you to say what a game is? some genres like RPG has always had long cinematics. The only reason there is more story in the games today is because story is actually something games have never really done in a good way before.

RobbieH1234

The quality of videogame stories has been on a steady decline since ~2000.

Yes we'll never see any RPGS that have stories that can measure up to PlaneScape Torment and XenoGears (PSX)

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[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]

:lol:Funny, I watched that ealier today in BluRay.

DeadMan1290

Heh, The Dark Knight FTW! :D

The best EVER!:D:D:D

WatchMen was better JK or am I? :!::question::o

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[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

Heh, The Dark Knight FTW! :D

jasonharris48

The best EVER!:D:D:D

WatchMen was better JK or am I? :!::question::o

joker vs rorschach = win cake

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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="DeadMan1290"] The best EVER!:D:D:Dthespywholied

WatchMen was better JK or am I? :!::question::o

joker vs rorschach = win cake

That would be one sweet fight

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Profanity in games have gotten ridiculous. So many games can do with out it, but force it. Killzone 2 is a perfect example. A curse word here and there, I understand... but you can tell when it's forced and not needed.
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X-WING vs TIE FIGHTER ftw!!!!!!!!!X1Viper
Plain ol' TIE Fighter was better, IMO :P
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#33 renger6002
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In some ways, this generation is weaker than the last two.

Where are the consistently awesome games in a VARIETY OF GENRES that was abundant in the late '90s through to the end of 2005? Where are the highly interesting games that aren't just "Teh Mature!!!1" or have to be a gory action game?

Downloadable content overload... Firmware and patches galore... A general increase in unneccessary profanity in games for "cool" factor... What happened? What in the world happened!? :question:

Let's wind the clock back five years, these devs and comps wouldn't dare cross any of you. I mean, what happened!? Did your buttons fall off?

MayorJohnny
you get automatic win for quoting dark knight. and really, I think this has been going on for way longer (not counting DLC)
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#34 RobbieH1234
Member since 2005 • 7464 Posts

That would be one sweet fight

jasonharris48

I'd go with Rorschach on that one.

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#35 jasonharris48
Member since 2006 • 21441 Posts

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

That would be one sweet fight

RobbieH1234

I'd go with Rorschach on that one.

same here

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#36 PSGamerforlife
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My game collection this gen so far is:

Warhawk

Assassins creed

Uncharted

LittleBigPlanet

GT5 Prologue

Resistance 2

Wipeout HD

Dead space

Metal Gear Solid 4

Killzone 2

Isnt that good variety?

But I do agree with you, the past gens (mainly the 5th gen..(ahh..ps1)) were better than this gen. Altho im liking this gen better than last gen.

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#37 DeckardLee
Member since 2009 • 859 Posts

@mariokart64fan: Your "paragraphs" make my eyes bleed and force me to kill kittens.

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#38 Mr_Apple_Soup
Member since 2006 • 3580 Posts

2. Banjo kazooie:NaB, Ratchet and Clank:ToD, Little Big Planet, Kameo. Adventure games as in Myst? these have never been huge on consoles.
Singstar, rockband, guitat hero, scene it, lips! all family friendly.

On the 360 you can find quality games in:

FPS
TPS
RTS
TBS
Adventure game
Platformers, 2D and 3D
Arcade racers
Sim Racers
Arcade flight games
Puzzle games
WRPG
JRPG
SJRPG
Music games
Retro games
Sport games

How is this not good variety?

3. This generation has not started any noticeable increase of unneccessary profanity in a lot of these "mature" games. It was just as bad last generation and the gen before it.

JLF1

ok so where are these quaility platformers on 360? 360 is dead last in platforming...:lol: quality RTS's on a console, that's also a good one, 360 also has the weakest variety in music games, and the exact same sports games as ps3, i wont get into everysingle genre because theyre ALL debatable, but those are the ones that were just plain stupid

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#39 LordQuorthon
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Where are the consistently awesome games in a VARIETY OF GENRES that was abundant in the late '90s through to the end of 2005?MayorJohnny
You can thank Japanese developers for that.
Where are the highly interesting games that aren't just "Teh Mature!!!1" or have to be a gory action game? A general increase in unneccessary profanity in games for "cool" factor... MayorJohnny
You can thank Western developers for that.
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#40 t3hTwinky
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Games went pretty much completely mainstream.

They're geared towards mass audiences, trying to please everybody at once, thus watering down specialty titles. They're not really making games anymore, they're making products.

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#41 dispator
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[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]

Games went pretty much completely mainstream.

They're geared towards mass audiences, trying to please everybody at once, thus watering down specialty titles. They're not really making games anymore, they're making products.

I completely agree with this,and also to add that somebody else here was saying the developers seem rather unsure about other genres and they just pump out FPS after FPS becouse they think,well its the the most popular genre easiest to copy,requires no mayor storyline and in reality it probably will sell more than a platformer or an rts.This doesnt strictly apply to FPS but to all shooting/war based games! Its really sad that an mediocre shooter can sell as an excellent game in other genres. In a way they are conditioning the consumer(gamer) to expect(hype) FPS games to the max,so they can continue to cash in on the tested formula of fps,and in reality most of the FPSs in the last few years were more of the same from previus gens just with alot of smoke and mirrors to try to sell them as something new and unseen! Dont know if im alone in this but i played so many fps that i truly dont care for them much and im looking in them to see some mayor improvements in quality of the storyline,imersivnes and above all the single player experience its sad that duke3d or quake are longer than most if not all FPS of this gen!! ---halo+killzone--- dont hate couse i think your games are simplistic and dont do nothing extremely well or new...i like and own both but the evolution of the most prominent genre just isnt there,nor is it in anyother title out now example is crysis and its craptastic story cmon make a plot driven long fps with some new design choices and a great ranking based competetive multyplayer! RANT OVER
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#42 iam2green
Member since 2007 • 13991 Posts
i think the gaming industry are friend or foe. reference to spiderman, since people are trying to make this into a batman theme.