You don't honestly believe that any one consele truly WON last generation...

Just an observation from a place of objective thought. Nobody has a legitimate claim to "winning" last generation... It is fairly apparent that the three console companies had peaks and valleys of different aspects of their business that either augmented or hindered gaming for gamers. The three companies had wins and losses, but nobody in any capacity ran away with an undisputed victory. Period.

Nintendo- Very high sales, very pathetic third party support...

Sony- Free and up to date online, some great franchises, lost tremendous market share, very questionable business decisions throughout, especially early on. First to last in sales.

Microsoft- Could potentially triple market growth when all is said and done, industry leading franchises, populated community, changed focus half way through the generation and stopped developing new core franchises, still pay to play online and sony has caught up.

Bottom line, is you can and should have preferences last generation, me for example played 90% Xbox360 and am quite happy with that. The other two consoles were a passing spot of entertainment from time to time. That said, one can easily surmize that no one "won" last generation...

For the fanboys who can't break away from their dilussions...Chew it and...

Just an observation from a place of objective thought.

TheEroica

Nintendo won.

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Just an observation from a place of objective thought.

Aljosa23

Nintendo won.

I'm certain that all on SW agrees that if you were only gonna game on one system this gen, that system should be teh 360. :shock: :twisted:

Well from a bsuiness perspective, Nintendo won.

From a gamers perspective, I think that nobody won.

Well from a bsuiness perspective, Nintendo won.

From a gamers perspective, I think that nobody won.

organic_machine

You're just fooling yourself if you didn't think the Xbox 360 was the true winner of this generation.

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[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

Just an observation from a place of objective thought.

TheEroica

Nintendo won.

so, since you brought up the hardware itself and steered away from making a comment about sales, what experiences last generation on the wii leads you to say that it "stomped MS and Sony into the ground"? because theres no way that even objectively speaking I could say that the wii outclassed the ps3 and xbox in games.TheEroica

Nintendo won simply because the Wii sold the most (despite all its shortcomings)

Ultimately, the only winners this gen were Nintendo and Microsoft, as both greating increased their marketshare.

Sony is the only loser, reducing its marketshare drastically and falling from 1st place to last.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]lol'd hard

Nintendo won.

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]so, since you brought up the hardware itself and steered away from making a comment about sales, what experiences last generation on the wii leads you to say that it "stomped MS and Sony into the ground"? because theres no way that even objectively speaking I could say that the wii outclassed the ps3 and xbox in games.Zeviander

Well from a business perspective, Nintendo won.

From a gamers perspective, I think that nobody won.

organic_machine

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]lol'd hard

Nintendo won.

Aljosa23

Nintendo also made the most money by a county mile. You can argue game libraries all day, but Nintendo won the gen, and they did it handily.

Let's not pretend otherwise.

So you would've been happy with the wii alone last generation and are content with that experience only? Is that what you are implying?TheEroica

I would say MS won the 7th gen. They went from being irrelevent last gen to gaining a huge marketshare this gen as Sony as an entire company has crippled into last place. Although Nintendo sold the most, the horrible third party support and their apparent inability to maintain the casual crowd with the Wii U puts them in what I feel is a bad position for the 8th gen, whereas I feel MS will be able to provide enough entertainment for both casual and core audiences.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]So you would've been happy with the wii alone last generation and are content with that experience only? Is that what you are implying?Aljosa23

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[QUOTE="TheEroica"] well supported! :roll:DarkLink77

Nintendo also made the most money by a county mile. You can argue game libraries all day, but Nintendo won the gen, and they did it handily.

Let's not pretend otherwise.

not at all trying to put words in your mouth, so I apologize if thats what it seems... I'm simply clarifying what it seemed to be an undeniable support for the wii as a gaming device as opposed to JUST sales.TheEroica

I think it depends on your needs and expectations. I doubt many, if any gamers thought the Wii would have great third party support since history shows otherwise. I liked the console because I didn't have huge expectations about it just because it's Nintendo. I love Nintendo and get their console for the first party offerings and not third-party titles. I have a PC for that. :P

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Well from a business perspective, Nintendo won.

From a gamers perspective, I think that nobody won.

Nintendo_Ownes7

Both Nintendo and MS "won" this gen as they both made profits.

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Well from a business perspective, Nintendo won.

From a gamers perspective, I think that nobody won.

TheEroica

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]not at all trying to put words in your mouth, so I apologize if thats what it seems... I'm simply clarifying what it seemed to be an undeniable support for the wii as a gaming device as opposed to JUST sales.Aljosa23

I think it depends on your needs and expectations. I doubt many, if any gamers thought the Wii would have great third party support since history shows otherwise. I liked the console because I didn't have huge expectations about it just because it's Nintendo. I love Nintendo and get their console for the first party offerings and not third-party titles. I have a PC for that. :P

Well from a bsuiness perspective, Nintendo won.

From a gamers perspective, I think that nobody won.

organic_machine

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]It's video games not a debate about philosophy or politics. They sold an incredible amount thus they won. It's a no brainer and no amount of mental gymnastics will change that.

TheEroica

Nintendo also made the most money by a county mile. You can argue game libraries all day, but Nintendo won the gen, and they did it handily.

Let's not pretend otherwise.

Talking library is all well and good, but most of those games don't hold up. Sure, the PS1 had a great library overall, but outside of the stuff Square made, pretty much all of it is garbage now. I'd take the N64's library over the PS1's right now any day of the week.

So yeah, bad library overall? Sure. But you don't buy Nintendo consoles for overall library. You buy it for Nintendo games and the occasional third party masterpiece (Resident Evil 4). So it's kind of a moot point.

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Well from a bsuiness perspective, Nintendo won.

From a gamers perspective, I think that nobody won.

drinkerofjuice

To answer you more specifically, Eroica, I would not be comfortable with only a Wii. I very gladly had a PC, Wii, and PS3 last gen and it worked for me.

But I think we need to define what we mean by objectivity.

Objectively, the gen for Sony was a disaster. They picked up towards the end. But the launch and first few years were much less than Sony expected.

Objectively, the gen for MS was very good. They didn't come out financially on top, but they took a bunch of market share from Sony. And MS lead the way into online gaming and really set the standards for it (console-wise).

Objectively, Nintendo made the most bank. They had a bad 3rd party library and a bad online system, but it doesn't matter because their success and influence cannot be denied.

From a gaming perspective, that means little to me. What matters to me is games.

And maybe thats all im trying to shed light on... when we discuss a difinitive, "Who Won?!?!?" I, as an invested gamer find it difficult to just say, "whoever had the best sales" even though I do see sales as a concrete truth when it comes to success, but I also believe that us intelligent gamers have enough self respect to call the winner as it effects US and not simply the companies bottom line. I give Nintendo props for taking the chances they did to put themselves where they are. I own a wii and love aspects of it, but I also can't say (as it effects me ) that the wii came anywhere near close to fulfilling my gaming needs this gen. Thats all Im saying... I see the whole console industry in Gen 7 as having some claims to fame as well as shame. TheEroica

Yes, I absolutely do. They all won, because we're all winners. Eikichi-Onizuka

Indeed.

The Wii started great and petered out at the end, once the fad wore off. Most Wiis sit unused, in closets, or their parts stripped out for use on the Wii-U.

The Xbox 360 started out great, hit the RRoD wall, bounced back, but then made the mistake of focusing Kinect and casuals. While they are still selling 360s they have lost a lot of the Core audience they tried so hard to build.

The PS3 sucked until 2009. Luckily for them since the release of the Slim, and the overdue price drop the PS3 is selling well. It's doubtful it will ever see PS2 numbers, and Sony is loosing their ass financially. However given the assumption that Sony will continue to sell the PS3 well into the later part of this decade at some point it will probably move into 2nd, then 1st place. Once Nintendo and MS stop selling their current consoles. Not that it matters that much at this point.

Summary - None of the consoles dominated this...er...last generation. Nintendo sold great, then lost momentum. The one thing Nintendo did do right is make a profit off of pretty much every Wii ever sold. MS gained a lot of market share. Sony lost a lot of market share, but the PS3 does seem to be recovering pretty nicely.

sales? Nintendo won...... Games? SONY and MS finished about even

Ok, so the TC is all about "feelings" and "thoughts".

Here's the facts

Nintendo sold 25 million more units then the other companies

They won, and whatever Oprah gave you courage to say about how you feel about it doesn't change that.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] This.

Nintendo also made the most money by a county mile. You can argue game libraries all day, but Nintendo won the gen, and they did it handily.

Let's not pretend otherwise.

DarkLink77

Talking library is all well and good, but most of those games don't hold up. Sure, the PS1 had a great library overall, but outside of the stuff Square made, pretty much all of it is garbage now. I'd take the N64's library over the PS1's right now any day of the week.

So yeah, bad library overall? Sure. But you don't buy Nintendo consoles for overall library. You buy it for Nintendo games and the occasional third party masterpiece (Resident Evil 4). So it's kind of a moot point.

Ok, so the TC is all about "feelings" and "thoughts".

Here's the facts

Nintendo sold 25 million more units then the other companies

They won, and whatever Oprah gave you courage to say about how you feel about it doesn't change that.

Jaysonguy

Hold me.... I just want you to share your feelings.

Ok, so the TC is all about "feelings" and "thoughts".

Here's the facts

Nintendo sold 25 million more units then the other companies

They won, and whatever Oprah gave you courage to say about how you feel about it doesn't change that.

Jaysonguy

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Ok, so the TC is all about "feelings" and "thoughts".

Here's the facts

Nintendo sold 25 million more units then the other companies

They won, and whatever Oprah gave you courage to say about how you feel about it doesn't change that.

TheEroica

Hold me.... I just want you to share your feelings.

I deal with facts, you're the one that says there's other criteria to determine who won.

Are you also one of those people who thinks that money isn't the most important thing on Earth?

Maybe going to urge someone to recycle later?

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]And maybe thats all im trying to shed light on... when we discuss a difinitive, "Who Won?!?!?" I, as an invested gamer find it difficult to just say, "whoever had the best sales" even though I do see sales as a concrete truth when it comes to success, but I also believe that us intelligent gamers have enough self respect to call the winner as it effects US and not simply the companies bottom line. I give Nintendo props for taking the chances they did to put themselves where they are. I own a wii and love aspects of it, but I also can't say (as it effects me ) that the wii came anywhere near close to fulfilling my gaming needs this gen. Thats all Im saying... I see the whole console industry in Gen 7 as having some claims to fame as well as shame. Aljosa23

That's all that matters in the end. Heil68

No, who has the most money matters in the end

Everyone understands this is a business right? lol