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#1  Edited By NineTailedGoku
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http://n4g.com/news/1385102/shuhei-yoshida-confirms-that-upscaler-on-playstation-4-is-hardware-based

So much for that secret sauce scaler Lems. Sony is on fire with the PS4. They've learned their lesson with PS3s architecture and it shows.

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#2  Edited By DaHater7
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Forgive my ignorance, but which is better software or hardware based upscaling?

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#3 NameIess_One
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@DaHater7 said:

Forgive my ignorance, but which is better software or hardware based upscaling?

Hardware based upscaling wins. With software upscaling, the quality will depend on the developer skill, but if you have a good scalar chip, it'll always work well.

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@NineTailedGoku said:

http://n4g.com/news/1385102/shuhei-yoshida-confirms-that-upscaler-on-playstation-4-is-hardware-based

So much for that secret sauce scaler Lems. Sony is on fire with the PS4. They've learned their lesson with PS3s architecture and it shows.

But but BF4 look better because of the scaler been hardware...lol

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#5 XBOunity
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@tormentos: the scaler on xbo is better than ps4.

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#6  Edited By silversix_
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we shouldn't be scaling shit in 2013. everything should be 1080p.

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More good news this week for the PS4? My oh my what a wonderful day.

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#8 XBOunity
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@NineTailedGoku: what does sonys scaler have to do with microsofts? The scaler on xbo is excellent. Same washed out look on ps4 and xbo was without

Ao.

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#9  Edited By SinjinSmythe
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@XBOunity said:

@tormentos: the scaler on xbo is better than ps4.

I double confirm that.

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The XBox One does have a superior scaler chip from what I've seen, but the superior GPU in the PS4 is a far greater advantage...

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#11  Edited By blackace
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@XBOunity said:

@tormentos: the scaler on xbo is better than ps4.

XB1 won't even need it by the time the next E3 rolls around. lol!!

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#12 XBOunity
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@superclocked: agreed

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@superclocked said:

The XBox One does have a superior scaler chip from what I've seen, but the superior GPU in the PS4 is a far greater advantage...

I read something that the Cpu is so weak in the PS4 that the GDDR5 and GPU can get bogged down by this? You see any truth to this?

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#14  Edited By Promised_Trini
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Look at all the trolls that have shown up already.Once the PS4,or XB1 is mention in the title the trolls just roll in.

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#15 Kinthalis
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@NameIess_One said:

@DaHater7 said:

Forgive my ignorance, but which is better software or hardware based upscaling?

Hardware based upscaling wins. With software upscaling, the quality will depend on the developer skill, but if you have a good scalar chip, it'll always work well.

Software scaling just means the CPU is doing the work, not that every developer would have to implement their own solution.

The CPU would be a lot slower at this task than a specialized hardware solution, and so the quality would be poor.

I don't know that there is much difference in quality in terms of modern scaling hardware though. It's not brain surgery, the algorithms are well established. You're still sampling color pixels and guessing to fill new ones.

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#16  Edited By TheTruthIsREAL
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@blackace said:

@XBOunity said:

@tormentos: the scaler on xbo is better than ps4.

XB1 won't even need it by the time the next E3 rolls around. lol!!

wishful thinking

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@Promised_Trini said:

Look at all the trolls that have shown up already.Once the PS4,or XB1 is mention in the title the trolls just roll in.

dafuq you doing here?

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@SinjinSmythe said:

@Promised_Trini said:

Look at all the trolls that have shown up already.Once the PS4,or XB1 is mention in the title the trolls just roll in.

dafuq you doing here?

I don't troll like Fakeboys like you dude.

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@SinjinSmythe said:

@superclocked said:

The XBox One does have a superior scaler chip from what I've seen, but the superior GPU in the PS4 is a far greater advantage...

I read something that the Cpu is so weak in the PS4 that the GDDR5 and GPU can get bogged down by this? You see any truth to this?

The CPU is indeed pretty weak, so I wouldn't doubt it. But, the PS4 has enhancements for GPU compute, so it won't be a problem for long. The GPU is going to start aiding with tasks that are normally handled by the CPU..

The PS4 and XB1 use the same CPU, btw, but we haven't gotten any word on the clock speed of the PS4 CPU. The 8 core Jaguar CPU in the XB1 is clocked at 1.75GHz. Microsoft is countering the PS4's GPU compute upgrades with it's cloud computing capabilities, but it'll likely be a long time before internet connections are fast enough for cloud computing to aid with anything but AI...

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@XBOunity said:

@tormentos: the scaler on xbo is better than ps4.

Link? Seems XO will be needing it far more than PS4 though.

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#21  Edited By xxgunslingerxx
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@superclocked said:

@SinjinSmythe said:

@superclocked said:

The XBox One does have a superior scaler chip from what I've seen, but the superior GPU in the PS4 is a far greater advantage...

I read something that the Cpu is so weak in the PS4 that the GDDR5 and GPU can get bogged down by this? You see any truth to this?

The CPU is indeed pretty weak, so I wouldn't doubt it. But, the PS4 has enhancements for GPU compute, so it won't be a problem for long. The GPU is going to start aiding with tasks that are normally handled by the CPU..

The PS4 and XB1 use the same CPU, btw, but we haven't gotten any word on the clock speed of the PS4 CPU. The 8 core Jaguar CPU in the XB1 is clocked at 1.75GHz. Microsoft is countering the PS4's GPU compute upgrades with it's cloud computing capabilities, but it'll likely be a long time before internet connections are fast enough for cloud computing to aid with anything but AI...

It will be scripted AI too so at best you might get more npcs that walk around and do nothing important

otherwise when we hit a lag spike we will have npcs punching at the spot you were standing at 5 seconds ago.

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@superclocked said:

@SinjinSmythe said:

@superclocked said:

The XBox One does have a superior scaler chip from what I've seen, but the superior GPU in the PS4 is a far greater advantage...

I read something that the Cpu is so weak in the PS4 that the GDDR5 and GPU can get bogged down by this? You see any truth to this?

The CPU is indeed pretty weak, so I wouldn't doubt it. But, the PS4 has enhancements for GPU compute, so it won't be a problem for long. The GPU is going to start aiding with tasks that are normally handled by the CPU..

The PS4 and XB1 use the same CPU, btw, but we haven't gotten any word on the clock speed of the PS4 CPU. The 8 core Jaguar CPU in the XB1 is clocked at 1.75GHz. Microsoft is countering the PS4's GPU compute upgrades with it's cloud computing capabilities, but it'll likely be a long time before internet connections are fast enough for cloud computing to aid with anything but AI...

Just keep in mind that some tasks will not be as efficiently handled by the GPU as by the CPU, and anytime the GPU is doing GPGPU work, it's losing performance in terms of rendering frames to the buffer.

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Why even need a scaler?

Can't run 1080P games natively? That's sad.

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#24  Edited By 2mrw
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@superclocked said:

The XBox One does have a superior scaler chip from what I've seen, but the superior GPU in the PS4 is a far greater advantage...

For a console which will be scaling its 720p games on a regular bases, it's better to be superior to the PS4's.

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#25 Kinthalis
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@xxgunslingerxx said:

@superclocked said:

@SinjinSmythe said:

@superclocked said:

The XBox One does have a superior scaler chip from what I've seen, but the superior GPU in the PS4 is a far greater advantage...

I read something that the Cpu is so weak in the PS4 that the GDDR5 and GPU can get bogged down by this? You see any truth to this?

The CPU is indeed pretty weak, so I wouldn't doubt it. But, the PS4 has enhancements for GPU compute, so it won't be a problem for long. The GPU is going to start aiding with tasks that are normally handled by the CPU..

The PS4 and XB1 use the same CPU, btw, but we haven't gotten any word on the clock speed of the PS4 CPU. The 8 core Jaguar CPU in the XB1 is clocked at 1.75GHz. Microsoft is countering the PS4's GPU compute upgrades with it's cloud computing capabilities, but it'll likely be a long time before internet connections are fast enough for cloud computing to aid with anything but AI...

It will be scripted AI too so at best you might get more npcs that walk around and do nothing important

otherwise when we hit a lag spike we will have npcs punching at the spot you were standing at 5 seconds ago.

I figure the CPU should handle high level decision making while the GPU can handle the mechanics of making those decisions mean somehting in the world.

CPU: Crap, just spotted a filthy meat bag heading to the right behind that pillar. Calculate possibility of being flanked at 80%! Stupid meat bag. My best course of action is to take cover behind that crate and flank him right back!

CPU to GPU: Hey I need to move behind that crate!

GPU: The fuq? Why?

CPU nevermind why you nincompoop! DO it!

GPU: Fine, damn. ::calculates pathfinding vectors::

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#26 BPoole96
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Not like it even matters since most games are 1080p anyway.

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#27  Edited By tormentos
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@superclocked said:

The XBox One does have a superior scaler chip from what I've seen, but the superior GPU in the PS4 is a far greater advantage...

lol..

Both have the same scaler from GCN.. This is madness.

@blackace said:

@XBOunity said:

@tormentos: the scaler on xbo is better than ps4.

XB1 won't even need it by the time the next E3 rolls around. lol!!

Really because rumors point at 720p Titanfall,which is a joke considering that Titanfall isn't even good looking it looks worse than COD ghost.

@SinjinSmythe said:

@superclocked said:

The XBox One does have a superior scaler chip from what I've seen, but the superior GPU in the PS4 is a far greater advantage...

I read something that the Cpu is so weak in the PS4 that the GDDR5 and GPU can get bogged down by this? You see any truth to this?

The PS4 and xbox one had the same CPU,but unlike the PS4 that was heavily modify to use compute the xbox one wasn't.

@Kinthalis said:

Just keep in mind that some tasks will not be as efficiently handled by the GPU as by the CPU, and anytime the GPU is doing GPGPU work, it's losing performance in terms of rendering frames to the buffer.

The PS4 was heavily modify so that doesn't happen it can run compute and graphics one alone side the other without compute hurting the graphics,this has been stated by Mark Cerny and is old,volatile bit,way more ACES and commands.

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#28 tormentos
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@MonsieurX said:

Why even need a scaler?

Can't run 1080P games natively? That's sad.

All GCN have hardware scaler build in like always lemming think only the xbox had it,because MS hyped it just like they did with DME which GCN also has and is call DMA.

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@always_explicit said:

720p for life...hahaha

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@tormentos said:

@always_explicit said:

720p for life...hahaha

Yeah but when the XBOXONE release I wont be on SW to be thrilled by your resolution diatribes. Il be playing the AWESOME XBOXONE and enjoying its amazing launch lineup.

Dont worry though, im sure you will be just as happy unboxing your brand new PSbore.

Your just gonna have to wait a little while for some decent games to come out...im sure it'll work out fine.

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The PS4 scaler is a joke compared to the Xbox one scaler.

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@always_explicit said:

@tormentos said:

@always_explicit said:

720p for life...hahaha

Yeah but when the XBOXONE release I wont be on SW to be thrilled by your resolution diatribes. Il be playing the AWESOME XBOXONE and enjoying its amazing launch lineup.

Dont worry though, im sure you will be just as happy unboxing your brand new PSbore.

Your just gonna have to wait a little while for some decent games to come out...im sure it'll work out fine.

Well, with all the superior multiplats that's coming to head, I'm sure that PS4 owners can get through the launch just fine, especially since BOTH premier multiplats have been shown to perform better on the PS4 so far (BF4, and CoD: Ghost).

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#34 ermacness
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@Scipio8 said:

The PS4 scaler is a joke compared to the Xbox one scaler.

Why invest in a "high-class" scaler, when you have a "high-class" GPU which doesn't really need to rely on a scaler at all times?

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Apparently the two consoles have the same scaler chip according to some tech heads on Gaf. Everyone is going off Digital Foundry who assumed on the hardware based on their results, not off confirmed hardware specs.

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#36  Edited By Caseytappy
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LOL

They both have an Amd GPU with the same hardware scaler build in .

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#37  Edited By stereointegrity
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@Kinthalis
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@superclocked said:

@SinjinSmythe said:

@superclocked said:

The XBox One does have a superior scaler chip from what I've seen, but the superior GPU in the PS4 is a far greater advantage...

I read something that the Cpu is so weak in the PS4 that the GDDR5 and GPU can get bogged down by this? You see any truth to this?

The CPU is indeed pretty weak, so I wouldn't doubt it. But, the PS4 has enhancements for GPU compute, so it won't be a problem for long. The GPU is going to start aiding with tasks that are normally handled by the CPU..

The PS4 and XB1 use the same CPU, btw, but we haven't gotten any word on the clock speed of the PS4 CPU. The 8 core Jaguar CPU in the XB1 is clocked at 1.75GHz. Microsoft is countering the PS4's GPU compute upgrades with it's cloud computing capabilities, but it'll likely be a long time before internet connections are fast enough for cloud computing to aid with anything but AI...

Just keep in mind that some tasks will not be as efficiently handled by the GPU as by the CPU, and anytime the GPU is doing GPGPU work, it's losing performance in terms of rendering frames to the buffer.

The GPU in ps4 does a-synchronous GPGPU compute... There won't be any hit in graphics for GPU compute.... 64aces

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#38  Edited By PAL360
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@silversix_ said:

we shouldn't be scaling shit in 2013. everything should be 1080p.

Battlefield 4 is the only PS4 game that is not native 1080p, so far.

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@PAL360 said:

@silversix_ said:

we shouldn't be scaling shit in 2013. everything should be 1080p.

Battlefield 4 is the only PS4 game that is not native 1080p, so far.

also the most important one, to me at least.

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#40  Edited By PAL360
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@silversix_ said:

@PAL360 said:

@silversix_ said:

we shouldn't be scaling shit in 2013. everything should be 1080p.

Battlefield 4 is the only PS4 game that is not native 1080p, so far.

also the most important one, to me at least.

Same to me, but is also the most hardware demanding. I think 900p is acceptable for a multiplatform, cross generation, launch game.

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Still worse than native.

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#42  Edited By Couth_
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@Caseytappy said:

They both have an Amd GPU with the same hardware scaler build in .

This.. This thread is a collection of trolls and morans that believe everything or what? Every GPU IS a scaler. The xb0ne will be doing a lot more scaling though as it can't hit 1080p natively

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@silversix_ said:

we shouldn't be scaling shit in 2013. everything should be 1080p.

thank u jesus. somebody had the balls to say it.

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#44  Edited By StrongDeadlift
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So much stupididy in this thread its painful to read.

Hardware scaling is nothing new. The fucking Xbox 360 has a hardware scaler, along with EVERY modern GPU since 2008 or so. There is no new information here, nor was it ever a matter up to speculation. The bigger revelation would have been if PS4 DIDNT have one.

Next, Cows are going to brag about having unified shaders.

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#45  Edited By MajesticShea
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So much stupididy in this thread its painful to read.

Hardware scaling is nothing new. The fucking Xbox 360 has a hardware scaler, along with EVERY modern GPU since 2008 or so. There is no new information here, nor was it a matter worthy of speculation. The bigger revelation would have been if PS4 DIDNT have one.

Next, Cows are going to brag about having unified shaders.

No, this thread is based on the motive; to stop lems from bragging about their 'superior' scaler chip

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@majesticshea said:

@StrongDeadlift said:

So much stupididy in this thread its painful to read.

Hardware scaling is nothing new. The fucking Xbox 360 has a hardware scaler, along with EVERY modern GPU since 2008 or so. There is no new information here, nor was it a matter worthy of speculation. The bigger revelation would have been if PS4 DIDNT have one.

Next, Cows are going to brag about having unified shaders.

No, this thread is based on the motive; to stop lems from bragging about their 'superior' scaler chip

Oh, I know, Ive seen some stupid from both sides on that front, which is why to preserve my IQ I sit comfortably on the sidelines in those discussions, and watch from a distance.

However, I dont think you are familiar with Ninetailedgoku.

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#47  Edited By edwardecl
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So Microsoft Spybox 720 has no hardware advantage over the PS4 in any way. People just think the Xbox is better because the contrast was set up wrong... idiots.

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The scalars are the same... the scaling is done within the GPU by the GCN units after applying Gamma transformation. Who the hell ever thought the scalars were different?

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@StrongDeadlift said:

@majesticshea said:

@StrongDeadlift said:

So much stupididy in this thread its painful to read.

Hardware scaling is nothing new. The fucking Xbox 360 has a hardware scaler, along with EVERY modern GPU since 2008 or so. There is no new information here, nor was it a matter worthy of speculation. The bigger revelation would have been if PS4 DIDNT have one.

Next, Cows are going to brag about having unified shaders.

No, this thread is based on the motive; to stop lems from bragging about their 'superior' scaler chip

Oh, I know, Ive seen some stupid from both sides on that front, which is why to preserve my IQ I sit comfortably on the sidelines in those discussions, and watch from a distance.

However, I dont think you are familiar with Ninetailedgoku.

You mean ikingbobi? So incredibly pathetic.

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@ermacness said:

@always_explicit said:

@tormentos said:

@always_explicit said:

720p for life...hahaha

Yeah but when the XBOXONE release I wont be on SW to be thrilled by your resolution diatribes. Il be playing the AWESOME XBOXONE and enjoying its amazing launch lineup.

Dont worry though, im sure you will be just as happy unboxing your brand new PSbore.

Your just gonna have to wait a little while for some decent games to come out...im sure it'll work out fine.

Well, with all the superior multiplats that's coming to head, I'm sure that PS4 owners can get through the launch just fine, especially since BOTH premier multiplats have been shown to perform better on the PS4 so far (BF4, and CoD: Ghost).

This always makes me chuckle. I'm challenging any cow on this site to find a video that compares the XB1 and PS4 versions of COD and BF4 and prove that the PS4 version is going to look any better. Because right now all the evidence points to the exact opposite. In fact the only thing we've seen is that if the PS4's higher resolution is noticeable, it's at the cost of having crappy textures and particle effects. Killzone's Multiplayer is a perfect example, 1080p and 60fps but 2010 textures and rain effects.

So I'll ask again, for anyone to show video evidence of the PS4 versions looking better than the XB1 versions, other than shrieking up and down about the numbers.