XSEED SJW Drama reaches an all time high.

#1 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (16185 posts) -

Let's get this party started.

Some of you may or may not have heard of the backlash XSEED has been going through with their new game Akiba'Strip: Undead and Undressed. Basically the gist is that There's a word used in the game that has garnered the attention of transgendered political scrutiny to a level that frankly, XSEED just wasn't prepared for.

Now what is this terrible word? Did it start with an F and end with a G? A Q and proceed to an R? No, nothing so harsh as that, simply put.

XSEED Simply used the word Trap in the translation process, you could swear with the torrential outcry from the SJW/ Carebear, a bandaid for every elbow community that they were called something unforgivable.

Just some of the responses to this terrible decision only rivaling the worst dictatorships imaginable.

You can't even reason with these people, they seem to share the same line of thought as Phil Fish when it comes to debate.

Now I ask you, do we really need this PC frame of thinking infecting a hobby so many of us grew up with? Why were the best games ever made from a period when this Shit didn't matter?

Because it didn't matter, and doesn't matter in the grand scheme of it all. It's just games ya'll, enjoy them, it's meant for escapism and sometimes the best entertainment isn't politically correct, hell most entertainment isn't.

Edit: XSEED's Wyrdward re: responds to criticism, clearing up what most knew in the first place, it's all about context.

Linky

#2 Posted by Bigboi500 (31291 posts) -

That gif can not be unseen...

#3 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (16185 posts) -

@Bigboi500 said:

That gif can not be unseen...

I almost forgot, the cherry for the vomit cake.

#4 Edited by nintendoboy16 (28036 posts) -

@Bigboi500 said:

That gif can not be unseen...

Indeed. DX.

#5 Posted by PapaTrop (1710 posts) -

This is the worst side of the gaming community.

#6 Posted by faizan_faizan (7868 posts) -

That is perhaps the most disturbing gif I've ever seen.

#7 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (16185 posts) -

@faizan_faizan said:

That is perhaps the most disturbing gif I've ever seen.

And you all thought I was a sexist asshole.

But seriously guys, discuss the thread at least >.>

#9 Posted by Dasein808 (559 posts) -

I never heard the terms: SJWs, MRAs, Wizchan, etc. until a few days ago. I think that I was happier before I'd ever heard of any of these things.

I think it's funny that the so-called (non-Japanese) SJWs are jingoistic enough to try and impose their views over another culture.

I don't care for most Japanese games, but I also don't feel the need to launch a crusade to try and force them to make a game in a way that does not offend me.

I'd just rather not play them and go about my day.

#10 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (16185 posts) -

@Dasein808 said:

I never heard the terms: SJWs, MRAs, Wizchan, etc. until a few days ago. I think that I was happier before I'd ever heard of any of these things.

I think it's funny that the so-called (non-Japanese) SJWs are jingoistic enough to try and impose their views over another culture.

I don't care for most Japanese games, but I also don't feel the need to launch a crusade to try and force them to make a game in a way that does not offend me.

I'd just rather not play them and go about my day.

Same here, I still have no clue what the fuck an MRA is. SJW "Social Justice Warrior," is just a quick non offensive way to round these type of posters up.

#11 Posted by Dasein808 (559 posts) -

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@Dasein808 said:

I never heard the terms: SJWs, MRAs, Wizchan, etc. until a few days ago. I think that I was happier before I'd ever heard of any of these things.

I think it's funny that the so-called (non-Japanese) SJWs are jingoistic enough to try and impose their views over another culture.

I don't care for most Japanese games, but I also don't feel the need to launch a crusade to try and force them to make a game in a way that does not offend me.

I'd just rather not play them and go about my day.

Same here, I still have no clue what the fuck an MRA is.

Lol.

It's a "Men's rights advocate."

#12 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (16185 posts) -

@Dasein808 said:

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@Dasein808 said:

I never heard the terms: SJWs, MRAs, Wizchan, etc. until a few days ago. I think that I was happier before I'd ever heard of any of these things.

I think it's funny that the so-called (non-Japanese) SJWs are jingoistic enough to try and impose their views over another culture.

I don't care for most Japanese games, but I also don't feel the need to launch a crusade to try and force them to make a game in a way that does not offend me.

I'd just rather not play them and go about my day.

Same here, I still have no clue what the fuck an MRA is.

Lol.

It's a "Men's rights advocate."

That makes no fucking sense, most SJW's are by definition Men.

This just get's more and more confusing. Pretty soon it'll be a crime to ask someone in a dress with an adam's apple if they have a penis.

I realize that may sound crude but obviously I was speaking of a situation in which you might find yourself hooking up with someone who is possibly transgendered.

#13 Edited by foxhound_fox (90791 posts) -

When will people stop making a big deal about words and care more about context and intent?

#14 Edited by lostrib (42699 posts) -

@foxhound_fox: hey, you cut that out! Check your privilege shitlord!

#15 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (16185 posts) -

#16 Edited by cfisher2833 (2150 posts) -

I really don't understand why people bother responding to these idiots in the first place. Just ignore them for fucks sake. Like remember that Borderlands 2 writer that was having a breakdown or something because some douchey SJW on twitter criticized his Tiny Tina character? I don't understand why people validate these idiots' opinions with a response. That just fuels them to be asses even more when they think they're having an impact.

edit: No surprise this is coming from the JRPG community though. I don't trust any fucker who dyes their hair blue or purple, and that community is filled with those kind of nuts.

#17 Edited by Dasein808 (559 posts) -

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

That makes no fucking sense, most SJW's are by definition Men.

It's my understanding that the MRAs are supposed to be the foil to the current millenial misandry that's trying to call itself "feminism," as well as the SJWs (male and female) that support its agenda of equality and strength when it's convenient and inequality and victimhood when similarly so.

It's all divisive and manipulative bullshit, imo.

#18 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (16185 posts) -

@cfisher2833 said:

I really don't understand why people bother responding to these idiots in the first place. Just ignore them for fucks sake. Like remember that Borderlands 2 writer that was having a breakdown or something because some douchey SJW on twitter criticized his Tiny Tina character? I don't understand why people validate these idiots' opinions with a response. That just fuels them to be asses even more when they think they're having an impact.

Ignoring them got us into this situation in the first place honestly, just look at Polygon, rock paper shotgun, Gawker and Kotaku.

They wormed their way into the industry with a mission.

#19 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (16185 posts) -

@cfisher2833 said:

I really don't understand why people bother responding to these idiots in the first place. Just ignore them for fucks sake. Like remember that Borderlands 2 writer that was having a breakdown or something because some douchey SJW on twitter criticized his Tiny Tina character? I don't understand why people validate these idiots' opinions with a response. That just fuels them to be asses even more when they think they're having an impact.

Ignoring them got us into this situation in the first place honestly, just look at Polygon, rock paper shotgun, Gawker and Kotaku.

They wormed their way into the industry with a mission.

#20 Posted by Maroxad (8714 posts) -

The real thing I wonder here is... why are you feeding them?

#21 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (16185 posts) -

@Maroxad said:

The real thing I wonder here is... why are you feeding them?

I opened a point of discussion, I haven't actually spoken to any of these tools on twitter.

This is something we need to talk about.

#22 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (16185 posts) -

@Dasein808 said:

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

That makes no fucking sense, most SJW's are by definition Men.

It's my understanding that the MRAs are supposed to be the foil to the current millenial misandry that's currently trying to call itself "feminism," as well as the SJWs (male and female) that support its agenda of equality and strength when it's convenient and inequality and victimhood when similarly so.

It's all divisive and manipulative bullshit, imo.

That's the thing, I respect the idea of feminism. By Definition it's equal rights, and I see nothing wrong with all sexes have an equal footing, here's a pretty good if very basic illustration that kind of pushes this point home.

The game has been changed, flipped and twisted into something that by definition is not feminism. It's just used as a front.

#23 Edited by Gue1 (11370 posts) -

within the context of the game the reaction with the word "trap" was intended as something offensive anyway. Not by Xseed but by the original game. Even if they change the word the results would be the same because it was an insult directed at her sexuality.

If you watch anime you know that Japan love to joke with that, which is why a character like Hard-gay was able to become so popular. In fact, I think it was anime that made the word become so popular in the internets.

#24 Edited by Dasein808 (559 posts) -

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

That's the thing, I respect the idea of feminism. By Definition it's equal rights, and I see nothing with all sexes have an equal footing, here's a pretty good illustration that kind of pushes this point home.

The game has been changed, flipped and twisted into something that by definition is not feminism. It's just used as a front.

I think that sums it up fairly well, but if you present it to the average SJW then you can expect to be called a misogynist and worse.

#25 Edited by Shinobishyguy (22618 posts) -

Based Xseed never backing down.

#26 Posted by PannicAtack (21040 posts) -

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@Dasein808 said:

I never heard the terms: SJWs, MRAs, Wizchan, etc. until a few days ago. I think that I was happier before I'd ever heard of any of these things.

I think it's funny that the so-called (non-Japanese) SJWs are jingoistic enough to try and impose their views over another culture.

I don't care for most Japanese games, but I also don't feel the need to launch a crusade to try and force them to make a game in a way that does not offend me.

I'd just rather not play them and go about my day.

Same here, I still have no clue what the fuck an MRA is. SJW "Social Justice Warrior," is just a quick non offensive way to round these type of posters up.

MRAs are kind of the polar opposite of the SJW. "Mens' Rights Activist." In theory, and I'm being generous here, it's about recognizing the disadvantages men face: social stigma attached to men who enter into traditionally female-oriented roles (i.e. the stay-at-home dad), or victims of female-on-male domestic abuse and violence (something that often isn't taken seriously).

In practice, it tends to be a lot of bitter men whining about how feminists ruin everything and are terrified that someone might falsely accuse them of rape.

#28 Posted by Masculus (2878 posts) -

It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this PC craze blows over.

#29 Posted by bbkkristian (14967 posts) -

My opinion: the SJW's are incredibly overreacting considering XSEED was attempting to portray a villainous character. You're not supposed to like the character who said that. He's an a**hole. And the character does a decent job of representing the vile jerks of the internet.

If this was a novel, would they be upset? Probably not, but it's video games and everyone likes to complain about everything.

#30 Edited by Kaze_no_Mirai (11644 posts) -
@Gue1 said:

within the context of the game the reaction with the word "trap" was intended as something offensive anyway. Not by Xseed but by the original game. Even if they change the word the results would be the same because it was an insult directed at her sexuality.

If you watch anime you know that Japan love to joke with that, which is why a character like Hard-gay was able to become so popular. In fact, I think it was anime that made the word become so popular in the internets.

I haven't played the game but I was going to say something like that. It just seems to be from the translation not something that XSEED just added for the fuck of it. It's a game and a pretty ridiculous one at that, it's not meant to be taken seriously.

#31 Posted by Snugenz (12781 posts) -

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@faizan_faizan said:

That is perhaps the most disturbing gif I've ever seen.

And you all thought I was a sexist asshole.

But seriously guys, discuss the thread at least >.>

Don't be silly, noone thinks you're sexist...

#32 Posted by jg4xchamp (50327 posts) -

It's a slur against trans-sexual people, and a hateful term regardless of the character being a villain or not.

Now if the game was actually depicting a hateful character that should fly, but considering what the game is, I doubt it has any grace or reason for its execution beyond the dev thinking it's not a slur, and well he's incorrect. Fact is it is a slur, it shouldn't be in your game if it doesn't actually have a genuine purpose.

Did I miss the memo where you must shut your brain enough to play video games now? Because anyone with gee I don't know a High School education should be able to see in this case Mt. Pious is correct.

#33 Edited by funsohng (28994 posts) -

Not sure what's going on, but I'm already pissed off at the fact that they are working on something that isn't called Trails in the Sky SC.

#34 Posted by silversix_ (16138 posts) -

That gif is great. Some one should add 'didn't read lololol' and post this gif every time blackace DC xbone's resolution hah

#35 Edited by Roler42 (859 posts) -

@jg4xchamp: You remind me of the parent who went to a news station because Portal 2 had adoption jokes

Now if that little word is used more than once through the game, then yeah i'll agree they should stop using it, but if it only appears in that line, and that line alone? then honestly this is nothing but a silly overreaction

Let's not go the Jack Thompson route please

#36 Posted by jg4xchamp (50327 posts) -

@roler42 said:

@jg4xchamp: You remind me of the parent who went to a news station because Portal 2 had adoption jokes

Now if that little word is used more than once through the game, then yeah i'll agree they should stop using it, but if it only appears in that line, and that line alone? then honestly this is nothing but a silly overreaction

Let's not go the Jack Thompson route please

So let me get this straight because I choose to actually be educated and use facts when I make a post, I'm being compared to someone ignorant of what is mostly a game about jokes and satire.

A slur is a slur is a slur. It's a valid criticism against the game and the creators, you used a derogatory term, and for all intents and purposes the slur has no genuine purpose other than to be hateful mocking of a characters sequality. Again if they were actually depicting and characterizing a hateful or ignorant character, that's fine, at that point you trust your audience to put two and two together. But in this situation it would be painfully obvious that this doesn't fit that description.

The fact is it is a slur, it is a hateful term, and even using it once with no real genuine purpose for it other than to be hateful is in poor taste. I'm sorry I am able to argue with facts, logic, and reason and all I'm going to get in return is arguments based around butthurt.

#37 Posted by Roler42 (859 posts) -

@jg4xchamp: Your overreactions would make Jack Thompson proud

Joking aside... You're kinda proving my point about you being similar to the dad who denounced portal 2 for making a mean joke about adoption...

Learn to accept disagreements without throwing a tantrum

#38 Posted by jg4xchamp (50327 posts) -

@roler42 said:

@jg4xchamp: Your overreactions would make Jack Thompson proud

Joking aside... You're kinda proving my point about you being similar to the dad who denounced portal 2 for making a mean joke about adoption...

Learn to accept disagreements without throwing a tantrum

What tantrum did I throw? I stated a fact, argued said fact, and questioned why basic critical thinking isn't being brought into this.

"the learn to accept disagreements" works both ways, it's not like you're being tolerant of someone else's opinion on the subject either mate.

#39 Edited by Dasein808 (559 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

What tantrum did I throw? I stated a fact, argued said fact, and questioned why basic critical thinking isn't being brought into this.

"the learn to accept disagreements" works both ways, it's not like you're being tolerant of someone else's opinion on the subject either mate.

The people making the criticism don't even seem to be a part of the culture that produces these sort of games.

It's called allowing for cultural differences and respecting them enough, even if you disagree or find certain aspects of that culture offensive, to keep your mouth shut; instead of having the arrogance to try and impose your own culturally "superior" views (i.e. jingoism 101).

In other words, it's none of these idiot Western SJW "causeheads" business.

It's no different than Westerners not appreciating being told how to live and what is acceptable by minority muslim immigrants.

#40 Posted by APiranhaAteMyVa (3001 posts) -

The text looks like she is supposed to be saying "nobody asked you, shut your goddammed trap!"

#41 Edited by jg4xchamp (50327 posts) -

@Dasein808 said:

@jg4xchamp said:

What tantrum did I throw? I stated a fact, argued said fact, and questioned why basic critical thinking isn't being brought into this.

"the learn to accept disagreements" works both ways, it's not like you're being tolerant of someone else's opinion on the subject either mate.

The people making the criticism don't even seem to be a part of the culture that produces these sort of games.

It's called allowing for cultural differences and respecting them enough, even if you disagree or find certain aspects of that culture offensive, to keep your mouth shut; instead of having the arrogance to try and impose your own culturally "superior" views (i.e. jingoism 101).

In other words, it's none of these idiot Western SJW "causeheads" business.

It's no different than Westerners not appreciating being told how to live and what is acceptable by minority muslim immigrants.

Okay for starters one game created by a small group of people who make these games isn't indicative of an entire culture. It would be incredibly ignorant to think there aren't adults in Japan (a majority at that) that would frown upon this type of shit. It be like judging American culture based on porno or those sick freaks who like my little pony.

More importantly genuine racism, sexism, homophobia, or in this case transphobia no matter how many excuses can come up for it is an act of intolerance. That is by any ethical standard atrocious.

Plus not the argument you should be making: the argument you should be making is that the context of the situation is a jab at 4 chan, and it was poor a translation failure because in Japanese they wanted to pick on guys pretending to be girls on the internet, and in English they translated that into a slur.

#42 Edited by glez13 (9022 posts) -

The usual problem with SJW's is that they forget the J, and probably also the S, and just go on a rampage.

#43 Edited by Dasein808 (559 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

Okay for starters one game created by a small group of people who make these games isn't indicative of an entire culture. It would be incredibly ignorant to think there aren't adults in Japan (a majority at that) that would frown upon this type of shit. It be like judging American culture based on porno or those sick freaks who like my little pony.

More importantly genuine racism, sexism, homophobia, or in this case transphobia no matter how many excuses can come up for it is an act of intolerance. That is by any ethical standard atrocious.

Plus not the argument you should be making: the argument you should be making is that the context of the situation is a jab at 4 chan, who normalized that word.

I never claimed that it's, "indicative of an entire culture."

My point is that the game in question is the product of a subset of a non-Western culture for a, likely, predominantly, non-Western playerbase and as such, the "hue and cry" of the Western SJWs are both ignorant and arrogant.

If Japanese SJWs have a problem with the game, then they're welcome to voice their opinions without criticism from me.

I'm also not "judging" anyone's culture. I'm acknowledging that, in my travels, different cultures have different approaches and views on the same things/issues and I believe that this is a good thing.

Sure, I may take offense to: racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, consoles, etc., but if it's not occurring within my own culture, then it's really not my business to go around telling others how to think and live (unless we're in SW and talking about the inferiority of consoles and their deleterious effect on the gaming industry).

Even if it is occurring within my own culture, I still don't think that it's necessarily my place or obligation to tell anyone else how to live or what to believe because I would not appreciate someone else doing the same to me.

Clean your own houses, live and let live, etc...

#44 Posted by PapaTrop (1710 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

So let me get this straight because I choose to actually be educated and use facts when I make a post, I'm being compared to someone ignorant of what is mostly a game about jokes and satire.

A slur is a slur is a slur. It's a valid criticism against the game and the creators, you used a derogatory term, and for all intents and purposes the slur has no genuine purpose other than to be hateful mocking of a characters sequality. Again if they were actually depicting and characterizing a hateful or ignorant character, that's fine, at that point you trust your audience to put two and two together. But in this situation it would be painfully obvious that this doesn't fit that description.

The fact is it is a slur, it is a hateful term, and even using it once with no real genuine purpose for it other than to be hateful is in poor taste. I'm sorry I am able to argue with facts, logic, and reason and all I'm going to get in return is arguments based around butthurt.

They said the "in-game chat" is supposed to mimic 4chan. It's the exact type of language one might find there (among other websites), and the devs made an attempt to add that into whatever their story is.

It just seems like another hate tirade from the PC gaming community which seems to be far more outspoken about this kind of thing than other communities.

Can't we just treat game devs as artists, and allow them to do what they want?

#45 Edited by bbkkristian (14967 posts) -

Do people still get mad when racist characters say the N-word in movies?

#46 Edited by EJ902 (14420 posts) -
@jg4xchamp said:

Plus not the argument you should be making: the argument you should be making is that the context of the situation is a jab at 4 chan, and it was poor a translation failure because in Japanese they wanted to pick on guys pretending to be girls on the internet, and in English they translated that into a slur.

XSEED said that the part of the game where the word is used is meant to parody the chan sites, where the term originated. In the context of those websites the term did originally mean just guys pretending to be girls on the internet to deliberately mislead/troll people rather than actual transgendered people, and wasn't recognised as a derogatory remark. Nonetheless it is unsurprising that the term's use has evolved and is now seen as a slur by the wider public. Therefore XSEED should have at least anticipated this and maybe could have considered a different word to avoid backlash. However it sounds to me like the word they picked does fit what the original japanese script would have said and the particular audience they had in mind for this game would recognise the word's meaning in this context.

The question is, is their job as translators simply to localise the game and reproduce the original intent as much as possible, or should they consider different attitudes and cultural sensitivities between Japan and where the game is being localised to, in order to avoid offence and misunderstanding?

#47 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (16185 posts) -

@glez13 said:

The usual problem with SJW's is that they forget the J, and probably also the S, and just go on a rampage.

Good point.

Also for jg, the character using the "slur," trap matches their personality in the game. It's designed to According to XSEED be a reproduction of common internet terms you would see on a message board such as 2chan.

as a few people have pointed out already.

#48 Edited by Silverbond (16121 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

As a transgender myself and long time fan of Xseed the term "trap" does indeed have negative connotations towards our community.

The only comment in the thread TC hasn't addressed

And I gotta assume anyone that uses the term SJW hasn't graduated from high school yet

#49 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (26338 posts) -
@APiranhaAteMyVa said:

The text looks like she is supposed to be saying "nobody asked you, shut your goddammed trap!"

Well to me the Text is referring to the person as a "Trap".

The Text is MEANT to be a Derogatory Term. If you're offended then it did it's job. Xseed shouldn't have to censor itself to cater to these people.

#50 Posted by faizan_faizan (7868 posts) -

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@faizan_faizan said:

That is perhaps the most disturbing gif I've ever seen.

And you all thought I was a sexist asshole.

But seriously guys, discuss the thread at least >.>

How am I a sexist? There is no reason that when I see a thread or a post, I need to be distracted by a languid anime lady with her saggy breasts dangling about. This has nothing to do with misogyny.