Xboxers, How are you able to stay the course?

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#1 Posted by AppleFan1991 (3124 posts) -

First, let me say this. I have the Xbox One launch edition on preorder and I do NOT have the PS4 preordered in any way shape or form. You can look at my recent post history and see that I am for the Xbox One. With that out of the way, here is an honest question. Are you concerned with the COD announcement. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think going from 1080p to 720p is a deal breaker however, to those of you that are more technologically gifted then myself, is this a sign of the Xbox's inferiority or is it just something to do with an "outdated dev kit" that I've been hearing about. It would be much appreciated if this were explained a little. If I am paying $100 more for a console, this COD thing better be one time. If this is something we can expect in the future from now on, well I'll punt a poor defenseless baby seal

#2 Edited by timbers_WSU (5753 posts) -

Well for one I am not some loser low-life who's life revolves around counting pixels and trolling game boards. And knowing Forza, Dead Rising, KI, and Crimson Dragon are day one makes it the better deal
I am getting a PS4 as well. But other than Killzone SF, It is gonna set there with the power off.

#3 Posted by clr84651 (5515 posts) -

PS4 has better RAM GDDR5 and 150% more powerful GPU, so of course games will be better made on PS4. Xboxers will be Xboxers no matter what.

#4 Posted by shawn30 (4367 posts) -

@timbers_WSU said:

Well for one I am not some loser low-life who's life revolves around counting pixels and trolling game boards. And knowing Forza, Dead Rising, KI, and Crimson Dragon are day one makes it the better deal

I am getting a PS4 as well. But other than Killzone SF, It is gonna set there with the power off.

Yep /thread

#5 Posted by avigeil (715 posts) -

@WadeFan: I really think that the "outdated dev kit'' didnt help and dont forget that infinity didnt use the esram on xbox one because they didnt have any time to play with it. their were busy to port cod gost on every systeme. t if the xbox one cant run the next COD at 1080p now we will have a problem! but anyway enjoy titanfall!

#6 Edited by cainetao11 (17999 posts) -

@WadeFan said:

First, let me say this. I have the Xbox One launch edition on preorder and I do NOT have the PS4 preordered in any way shape or form. You can look at my recent post history and see that I am for the Xbox One. With that out of the way, here is an honest question. Are you concerned with the COD announcement. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think going from 1080p to 720p is a deal breaker however, to those of you that are more technologically gifted then myself, is this a sign of the Xbox's inferiority or is it just something to do with an "outdated dev kit" that I've been hearing about. It would be much appreciated if this were explained a little. If I am paying $100 more for a console, this COD thing better be one time. If this is something we can expect in the future from now on, well I'll punt a poor defenseless baby seal

If Forza 5 is 1080p doesn't that tell you it can do 1080? Come on guy, you got a brain. As for one time, 100 times, is this that important to you? U ask how can we stay the course? because I only like KZ as a launch title from 4. That's why I'll wait. One game wont do it for me. DR3, Forza 5, hopefully Ryse, all the features, then Titanfall? Yeah I'm good with upscale. I'm a 41 year old veteran, I cant see the difference anyway, so why should I care?

#7 Posted by kingoflife9 (1987 posts) -

@WadeFan said:

First, let me say this. I have the Xbox One launch edition on preorder and I do NOT have the PS4 preordered in any way shape or form. You can look at my recent post history and see that I am for the Xbox One. With that out of the way, here is an honest question. Are you concerned with the COD announcement. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think going from 1080p to 720p is a deal breaker however, to those of you that are more technologically gifted then myself, is this a sign of the Xbox's inferiority or is it just something to do with an "outdated dev kit" that I've been hearing about. It would be much appreciated if this were explained a little. If I am paying $100 more for a console, this COD thing better be one time. If this is something we can expect in the future from now on, well I'll punt a poor defenseless baby seal

Im more concerned that developers will have to take things and ideas out of their games because the X1 isn't able to run it. Then thats bad for gaming. But if your that concerned then trade your pre order with someone, or just cancel it and see how it goes until christmas, there will definitely be console available to buy around the holidays.

#8 Edited by superclocked (5831 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

PS4 has better RAM GDDR5 and 150% more powerful GPU, so of course games will be better made on PS4. Xboxers will be Xboxers no matter what.

The GPU is 50% more powerful. But, the extra bandwidth of the GDDR5 memory does help keep the GPU very well fed, so the difference may indeed be bigger in the end...

#9 Posted by Gatman32 (442 posts) -

The resolution thing doesn't bother me one bit. You have to be looking hard and nitpicking to tell the difference.

#10 Edited by k2theswiss (16599 posts) -

na, don't bother me. More about gameplay all the way. I also have a rig, Even though i could max out any game last gen i still played games on my 360. I believe the res thing is part of the rumors that there is driver issues and ms tools isn't where it should be yet.

#11 Posted by ankor77 (1020 posts) -

Its about the games, period. Thats why I buy all the consoles(though pc gaming is my main). The xb1 has enough unique games that I want to play that I value owning one. I have both pre-ordered and I am much more excited for xb1 early on than ps4. That could change down the road, well see.

#12 Posted by kingtito (5084 posts) -

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@kingoflife9 said:

@WadeFan said:

First, let me say this. I have the Xbox One launch edition on preorder and I do NOT have the PS4 preordered in any way shape or form. You can look at my recent post history and see that I am for the Xbox One. With that out of the way, here is an honest question. Are you concerned with the COD announcement. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think going from 1080p to 720p is a deal breaker however, to those of you that are more technologically gifted then myself, is this a sign of the Xbox's inferiority or is it just something to do with an "outdated dev kit" that I've been hearing about. It would be much appreciated if this were explained a little. If I am paying $100 more for a console, this COD thing better be one time. If this is something we can expect in the future from now on, well I'll punt a poor defenseless baby seal

Im more concerned that developers will have to take things and ideas out of their games because the X1 isn't able to run it. Then thats bad for gaming. But if your that concerned then trade your pre order with someone, or just cancel it and see how it goes until christmas, there will definitely be console available to buy around the holidays.

You really think the PS4 is powerful? Both consoles are weak and to say something as asinine as "you're afraid devs will take and ideas out of their games because X1 isn't able to run it". The One will run ANYTHING the PS4 runs even if it's not at the same graphical fidelity as the PS4. Take your head out of your @ss for once.

#13 Edited by -Damien- (5355 posts) -

Every game review is going to be a reminder of how weak Xbone is, beatdown after beatdown after beatdown...... I hope you guys have strong resolution

#14 Posted by Heil68 (45750 posts) -

Xbone is not worth the purchase to me at this point sadly. I'll wait till enough exclusives are out that appeal to me before I buy it.

#15 Posted by no-scope-AK47 (2820 posts) -

If your an xbot then all you know is what you have and you won't even see the better graphics on the ps4 so why care ??

#16 Posted by donalbane (16368 posts) -

I am excited about the exclusives.

#17 Edited by YD_11 (1865 posts) -

Same way as I have since I preordered. Knowing I'm getting the games I like, improved Kinect, and a host of multimedia features. Then MS confirmed the 300k+ servers for free use by any dev and the more detail on cloud assisted AI, etc. I maintain that if i'm going to spend the money on a new console, it should offer more to me than the last generation aside from resolution or graphics.

#18 Edited by kingoflife9 (1987 posts) -

@YD_11 said:

Same way as I have since I preordered. Knowing I'm getting the games I like, improved Kinect, and a host of multimedia features. Then MS confirmed the 300k+ servers for free use by any dev and the more detail on cloud assisted AI, etc. I maintain that if i'm going to spend the money on a new console, it should offer more to me than the last generation aside from resolution or graphics.

how come the cloud isn't used to make the games 1080p? and id much rather have better resolution than multimedia features that i get on my iPhone, laptop, tv, and every other electronic in my house

#19 Posted by TheRealBigRich (735 posts) -

the thing that sticks out to me with most of the people that are still going to but the X1 is they are doing so because of the games and its funny because so many people said it wasn't focused on gaming at all. Like the previous posters Im getting the Xbox one first because I can wait until better games on ps4 come out and the res of games I will likely get like COD don't really bother me as long as it looks good. I never in my life remember thinking I wish this wall had better textures or I wish these trees had better color.

#20 Edited by blackace (21081 posts) -

@WadeFan said:

First, let me say this. I have the Xbox One launch edition on preorder and I do NOT have the PS4 preordered in any way shape or form. You can look at my recent post history and see that I am for the Xbox One. With that out of the way, here is an honest question. Are you concerned with the COD announcement. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think going from 1080p to 720p is a deal breaker however, to those of you that are more technologically gifted then myself, is this a sign of the Xbox's inferiority or is it just something to do with an "outdated dev kit" that I've been hearing about. It would be much appreciated if this were explained a little. If I am paying $100 more for a console, this COD thing better be one time. If this is something we can expect in the future from now on, well I'll punt a poor defenseless baby seal

LOL!! No. By the time E3 gets here almost all of XBox One games will be native 1080P @60fps or 30fps. Microsofts biggest mistake was changing their hardware so close to manufacturing it. Because it was so different from the original hardware developer had no way to fix the games use the extra features and power of the updated devkits. Developers either threw their hands in the air and said screw it, will leave the game the way it is or patch it. That's why we are seeing large patches for BF4 and most likely CoD: Ghost. There's a reason the BF4 720P looks better then the PS4 1080P. This is why people usually WAIT before buying launch titles.

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@Heil68 said:

Xbone is not worth the purchase to me at this point sadly. I'll wait till enough exclusives are out that appeal to me before I buy it.

All you need to do is wait until the E3 next year. BOOM!!!

#22 Posted by Douevenlift_bro (5237 posts) -

Paying $100 for a console that can't run COD in 1080P is painful. I understand where you're coming from

Considering COD is pretty much the only title pushing units on Xbone I can see why alot of pre-orders are cancelled or in question right now.

There's no other way to say it.. The console is weak. Never in history has a "patch" of some sort been released on a console after launch to give it more power. That's ridiculous to even think about. The hard is what it is.. for lack of better words, Deal with it.

#23 Posted by Wickerman777 (1297 posts) -

Some of us aren't. I've owned Xbox and Xbox 360 and haven't had a Sony console since the original Playstation. But that's about to change. Xbox One is just too weak to be acceptable to me. Heck, even PS4's specs bug me. Both should have been 2.5 tflops minimum considering where graphics tech is right now. The next Xbox being only half of that is ridiculous.

#24 Posted by Negro-y-Azul (79 posts) -

Worse hardware but better games? Sounds like the PS2 ;)

Ah no it's definitely not on. I've owned an XBox and 360 but can't see myself buying the One.

PS4 and PC for me.

#25 Edited by TitanExtremer (66 posts) -

I had a Xbox one, day one pre-order.

After the resolution showdowns i now have a PS4 on preorder.

It is simply not worth getting the console as it now shows how big a gap there really is. I will not be playing neither COD nor BF4 on a console anyway, but it is a clear sign of what we can expect from future games on the Xbox one and being a nit picky PC gamer i could not accept any less then the best.

#26 Posted by Heekevad (10 posts) -

Lems have already made excuses as to why their version of cod has a lower resolution. They are using the "just wait, it will all get better in the future" approach for now.

I expect tons of people cancelling their X1 pre-order (I just did) and go with the PS4 only

#27 Edited by sukraj (23208 posts) -

@donalbane said:

I am excited about the exclusives.

Same here

#28 Posted by Shewgenja (9827 posts) -

How many exclusives came out for the 360 this year? You X-Box only gamers are like little woodland creatures that are being starved into the next habitat. Have fun with that.

#29 Posted by Negro-y-Azul (79 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

How many exclusives came out for the 360 this year? You X-Box only gamers are like little woodland creatures that are being starved into the next habitat. Have fun with that.

How are 360 exclusives relevant to the One?

#30 Posted by Shewgenja (9827 posts) -

@negro-y-azul said:

@Shewgenja said:

How many exclusives came out for the 360 this year? You X-Box only gamers are like little woodland creatures that are being starved into the next habitat. Have fun with that.

How are 360 exclusives relevant to the One?

I've decided to make a thread on the subject. It has everything to do with the One and how the XBox fanbase has been treated in the year 2013.

#31 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (4652 posts) -

@kingoflife9 said:

@WadeFan said:

First, let me say this. I have the Xbox One launch edition on preorder and I do NOT have the PS4 preordered in any way shape or form. You can look at my recent post history and see that I am for the Xbox One. With that out of the way, here is an honest question. Are you concerned with the COD announcement. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think going from 1080p to 720p is a deal breaker however, to those of you that are more technologically gifted then myself, is this a sign of the Xbox's inferiority or is it just something to do with an "outdated dev kit" that I've been hearing about. It would be much appreciated if this were explained a little. If I am paying $100 more for a console, this COD thing better be one time. If this is something we can expect in the future from now on, well I'll punt a poor defenseless baby seal

Im more concerned that developers will have to take things and ideas out of their games because the X1 isn't able to run it. Then thats bad for gaming. But if your that concerned then trade your pre order with someone, or just cancel it and see how it goes until christmas, there will definitely be console available to buy around the holidays.

Yes because faster ram and marginally better graphical potential is like a whole gen difference in itself.

#32 Edited by Negro-y-Azul (79 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

@negro-y-azul said:

@Shewgenja said:

How many exclusives came out for the 360 this year? You X-Box only gamers are like little woodland creatures that are being starved into the next habitat. Have fun with that.

How are 360 exclusives relevant to the One?

I've decided to make a thread on the subject. It has everything to do with the One and how the XBox fanbase has been treated in the year 2013.

8 year old console is quiet as 1st party resources shift to next gen. Not such a shock or surprise. Except to you.

#33 Posted by Suppaman100 (4016 posts) -

Only dumb fools buy an Xbone after all we know now.

Anyway, Xbone will be known as one of the biggest failures in gaming history.

#34 Posted by freedomfreak (41428 posts) -

Oh, I don't care about that. I'm just interested in the games.

#35 Posted by YD_11 (1865 posts) -

@kingoflife9 said:

@YD_11 said:

Same way as I have since I preordered. Knowing I'm getting the games I like, improved Kinect, and a host of multimedia features. Then MS confirmed the 300k+ servers for free use by any dev and the more detail on cloud assisted AI, etc. I maintain that if i'm going to spend the money on a new console, it should offer more to me than the last generation aside from resolution or graphics.

how come the cloud isn't used to make the games 1080p? and id much rather have better resolution than multimedia features that i get on my iPhone, laptop, tv, and every other electronic in my house

I've never claimed it would make games run in higher resolutions. In fact, I think it is mostly helpful to online play. You can already voice control your tv? That's pretty cool. You already get picture in picture on it too? I must be shopping at the wrong stores. You Skype on that tv too? Oh wait, your tv, pc, blu ray player, etc has a camera and can be motioned controlled too?

And hopefully devs will start to utilize the Kinect more and more since everyone will have it. That will undoubted provide improved gameplay and immersion. Meanwhile, you'll be playing with your ps4 like you played with your ps3, ps2 and ps before that (assuming you are old enough). Just more offered on X1 and there is no arguing it

#36 Posted by blackace (21081 posts) -

@YD_11: Cows are hilarious. This is going to be fun. The PS2 was weaker, yet cows never complained back then. Too funny. In any case, it's only a matter of time. PS4 launches first, so it will be the first to see if any of the rumors are true. I'm stopping at Gamestop after work today to see if the PS4 kiosk are in yet.

#37 Posted by SuddenlyTragic (832 posts) -

It really doesn't matter to me. The games from the original Xbox, Xbox 360, and One have always been more appealing to me. I'll get a PS4 as well, but I've just always preferred Xbox and the fact that a Call of Duty launch game is running in 720p is definitely not a deal breaker. I've prepurchased COD for PC anyway so this isn't going to affect me personally. And there's no reason for PS4 fanboys to act all high and mighty about the fact that they can play COD in 1080p. You've been able to play any PC game in 1080p for the past decade and can play them in even higher resolutions now. I have my PC connected to my TV and when sitting at a distance you really can't tell that much of a difference between 720p and 1080p when gaming. The difference is not that noticeable. And again, it's just Call of Duty. I'm sure COD 2014 will be in 1080p on both consoles.

Additionally, when the PS3 launched all of the games looked like shit compared to a lot of 360 games out at the time like Gears of War. The PS3 also claimed that a lot of games would be able to run in 1080p but that was only the case with a handful of mostly PSN games like Wipeout HD, which was not noticeably different than anything I played in 720p on the console

#38 Posted by shellcase86 (1934 posts) -

For those getting the X1 I'd be more concerned about games. Yeah they got launch games - but then what? It's not likely MSFT will keep up this level of support.

#39 Posted by HadOne2Many (1279 posts) -

Timbers summed up my stance pretty well. I don't really care for COD or Battlefield though. I'm more excited about Titanfall and Destiny for my shooter needs. Shooters are not the reason I buy consoles though, racing games are. As long as Forza is on the Xbox I'll be playing on an Xbox. Got FM5 coming this year, and most likely a new Horizon game next year...I'm happy.

#40 Posted by SinjinSmythe (789 posts) -

@WadeFan said:

First, let me say this. I have the Xbox One launch edition on preorder and I do NOT have the PS4 preordered in any way shape or form. You can look at my recent post history and see that I am for the Xbox One. With that out of the way, here is an honest question. Are you concerned with the COD announcement. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think going from 1080p to 720p is a deal breaker however, to those of you that are more technologically gifted then myself, is this a sign of the Xbox's inferiority or is it just something to do with an "outdated dev kit" that I've been hearing about. It would be much appreciated if this were explained a little. If I am paying $100 more for a console, this COD thing better be one time. If this is something we can expect in the future from now on, well I'll punt a poor defenseless baby seal

deal breaker based on a rumor? I would say stick around to see it will be in 1080p, but on second though..........please go.

#41 Edited by GrenadeLauncher (5529 posts) -

I'm dealing with it by laughing hysterically at Xbottles clinging to every last justification they can think of to preserve their pre-order.

#42 Edited by timbers_WSU (5753 posts) -

@TitanExtremer said:

I had a Xbox one, day one pre-order.

After the resolution showdowns i now have a PS4 on preorder.

It is simply not worth getting the console as it now shows how big a gap there really is. I will not be playing neither COD nor BF4 on a console anyway, but it is a clear sign of what we can expect from future games on the Xbox one and being a nit picky PC gamer i could not accept any less then the best.

Wonder how you managed that when no one was accepting PS4 pre-orders when all this happened? Oh you were lying? Gotcha.

And shellcase- You say they only have launch games? I guess Quantum Break, Maximum Overdrive, Halo, and Black Tusk are imaginary?

#43 Posted by MajesticShea (695 posts) -

@superclocked said:

@clr84651 said:

PS4 has better RAM GDDR5 and 150% more powerful GPU, so of course games will be better made on PS4. Xboxers will be Xboxers no matter what.

The GPU is 50% more powerful. But, the extra bandwidth of the GDDR5 memory does help keep the GPU very well fed, so the difference may in be bigger in the end...

I remember when you were in the 'mutiplats will be the same' camp. Good to see you're not some loyal fanboy.

#44 Edited by MajesticShea (695 posts) -

@blackace said:

By the time E3 gets here almost all of XBox One games will be native 1080P @60fps or 30fps.

You said that Cod would be the same resolution on both before the confirmation. You have no credibility.

.Developers either threw their hands in the air and said screw it, will leave the game the way it is or patch it. That's why we are seeing large patches for BF4 and most likely CoD: Ghost.

You are an Idiot and don't know how the industry works; please stop. You don't know what the developers were doing.

There's a reason the BF4 720P looks better then the PS4 1080P.

Digital Foundry, Ign, Jack Frags, and all other industry insiders disagree with you.

Are you also implying that when the Xbox One tools are so called "optimized" that multiplats will run in 1080p and look better than the PlayStation 4? That is factually impossible unless the Playstayion 4 version is literally gimped.

Man the stupidity in you is so sad. Reply in underlines.

#45 Edited by ZombieKiller7 (6255 posts) -

The suckyness of XB1 hardware and PS4 library have convinced me to spend the next 2-3 years PC gaming.

Cuz we have, you know, a library and stuff.

And I'm not a graphics whore by any means, but 1080@60fps is kind of "plain vanilla yogurt" nowadays, 720p/30fps is just substandard.

If I bought a XB1 at launch, what would I gain from that?

A downgrade from my aging rig.

Less games.

More expensive games.

Worse games.

Pay-for-online.

It's like paying a company $599 to fuck you in the ass.

#46 Posted by superclocked (5831 posts) -

@majesticshea said:

@superclocked said:

@clr84651 said:

PS4 has better RAM GDDR5 and 150% more powerful GPU, so of course games will be better made on PS4. Xboxers will be Xboxers no matter what.

The GPU is 50% more powerful. But, the extra bandwidth of the GDDR5 memory does help keep the GPU very well fed, so the difference may in be bigger in the end...

I remember when you were in the 'mutiplats will be the same' camp. Good to see you're not some loyal fanboy.

I figured that there was still some unlocked potential in the console, with it having the tiling hardware and all. But, it looks like somebody screwed up. The on die eSRAM limited Microsoft's GPU options while also proving much less capable than one large pool of GDDR5..

Microsoft should've made the console powerful enough to handle 3D displays like the Oculus Rift, or made the Kinect optional until the following generation. IMO, Kinect won't be of much use for games until display technology catches up...

#47 Posted by Krelian-co (11669 posts) -

denial, powerful denial

#48 Edited by MajesticShea (695 posts) -

@superclocked said:

@majesticshea said:

@superclocked said:

@clr84651 said:

PS4 has better RAM GDDR5 and 150% more powerful GPU, so of course games will be better made on PS4. Xboxers will be Xboxers no matter what.

The GPU is 50% more powerful. But, the extra bandwidth of the GDDR5 memory does help keep the GPU very well fed, so the difference may in be bigger in the end...

I remember when you were in the 'mutiplats will be the same' camp. Good to see you're not some loyal fanboy.

I figured that there was still some unlocked potential in the console, with it having the tiling hardware and all. . The on die eSRAM limited Microsoft's GPU options while also proving much less capable than one large pool of GDDR5..

You fell for the marketing hype; no worries.

#49 Posted by shawn30 (4367 posts) -

@-Damien- said:

Every game review is going to be a reminder of how weak Xbone is, beatdown after beatdown after beatdown...... I hope you guys have strong resolution

Not really. Game reviewers may or may not choose to dock the Xbox One version for not looking as great s its PS4 counterpart. But of the game gets a ranking of 9 its a great game even if its a 8.5 for the One. If its a 5 who gives a shit if its 1080p or not. Not all of us gamers live and die by whats said online. Whether its a good day for the console of your choice or a bad one, who gives a crap. We're all gonna play what we like anyway.

#50 Edited by Multipass35 (295 posts) -

@WadeFan: I stay the course because I hands down have the best entertainment and gaming media system. Xbox one