Xbox One won't allow indies to self-publish games

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#1 Posted by DrRockso87 (2504 posts) -

Microsoft, are you trying to mess up your console?!?!

Independent developers cannot self-publish their own games on Xbox Live Arcade. Instead, they must get a publishing deal--either with Microsoft Game Studios or with a third-party partner. Games published on Xbox Live Indie Games are exempt from that policy, but that marketplace isn't necessary seen as viable.

Limitations imposed by Microsoft have prevented a number of games from ever appearing on Xbox 360. And apparently, Xbox One won't change how Microsoft approaches indie games.

When asked if developers will still need a publisher to get content onto Xbox Live, Matt Booty, general manager of Redmond Game Studios and Platforms, told us that "as of right now, yes. We intend to continue to court developers in the ways that we have."

He did add that "I would also expect that for this new generation, that we're going to continue to explore new business models and new ways of surfacing content. But Microsoft Studios is a publisher that works with a wide range of partners, as do a lot of other people, to bring digital content to the box."

When it comes to self-publishing, Microsoft is the odd man out. Both Sony and Nintendo allow developers to publish their own games onto PlayStation Network and Nintendo Network, respectively. Microsoft's position stands in stark contrast to Sony, which has been aggressivelypursuing indie content for PS4.

http://www.shacknews.com/article/79309/xbox-one-wont-allow-indies-to-self-publish-games

#2 Posted by Sushiglutton (5193 posts) -
Sony having an indie-developer on stage was so awesome. Sony overall seemed so much more humble and like they wanted to give the spotlight to others (developers and gamers). MS sends the message of a fat, greedy, sportsloving douche.
#3 Posted by LustForSoul (5827 posts) -
What can I say, they only allow quality content.
#4 Posted by Puckhog04 (22601 posts) -

The only thing I can relate Xbox One to right now is a Socialist government; Right now they want to control everything. Can't say I like any of their recent decisions.

#5 Posted by zeroyaoi (1876 posts) -
The bad news keep on piling up.
#6 Posted by locopatho (20112 posts) -

The only thing I can relate Xbox One to right now is a Socialist government; Right now they want to control everything. Can't say I like any of their recent decisions.

Puckhog04
Socialism can be democratic or authoritarian.
#7 Posted by Heil68 (43178 posts) -
Sad day indeed, RIP indie developers :(
#8 Posted by ninjapirate2000 (2997 posts) -

Isn't this a good thing? So the store wouldn't be filled with crap? 

#9 Posted by ShoulderOfOrion (3435 posts) -
If your game is good enough, you will find someone to publish it. Good job Microsoft for having standards.
#10 Posted by MonsieurX (29173 posts) -
If your game is good enough, you will find someone to publish it. Good job Microsoft for having standards. ShoulderOfOrion
But publishers=\= good games :|
#11 Posted by Jankarcop (8893 posts) -

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#12 Posted by Joedgabe (5092 posts) -

Isn't this a good thing? So the store wouldn't be filled with crap? 

ninjapirate2000

A lot of the crap is hilarious... :lol: but yea.... considering i've seen "it comes from xbox live" i can see why m$ would want to limit them. 

#13 Posted by ShoulderOfOrion (3435 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]If your game is good enough, you will find someone to publish it. Good job Microsoft for having standards. MonsieurX
But publishers=\= good games :|

Uhm.. publishers care about quality. The quality of the production. Why do you think PC is ridden with bad games? Because anyone and their dog can make something and put it out there. 9 out of 10 times it ends up being a piece of crap that's not worth the asking price.
#14 Posted by Rattlesnake_8 (18330 posts) -
What can I say, they only allow quality content. LustForSoul
No, what this does it means people who makes games that are awesome won't get all the profit.. they now have to give up a large chunk of that money to MS. This means they have less funds to develop their next game.. in other words indie devs are less likely to make games for xbox one and more likely to make them for ps4, pc, ios or android.
#15 Posted by sammyjenkis898 (27998 posts) -
If your game is good enough, you will find someone to publish it. Good job Microsoft for having standards. ShoulderOfOrion
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#16 Posted by freedomfreak (38649 posts) -
Eh. 95% of the indy games on XBL is garbage anyway.
#17 Posted by LustForSoul (5827 posts) -

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jankarcop
That's one of the best gifs ever you have there.
#18 Posted by Puckhog04 (22601 posts) -

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

The only thing I can relate Xbox One to right now is a Socialist government; Right now they want to control everything. Can't say I like any of their recent decisions.

locopatho

Socialism can be democratic or authoritarian.

:roll:

And? I feel pretty confidently that people understand what I'm getting at...

#19 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]If your game is good enough, you will find someone to publish it. Good job Microsoft for having standards. ShoulderOfOrion
But publishers=\= good games :|

Uhm.. publishers care about quality. The quality of the production. Why do you think PC is ridden with bad games? Because anyone and their dog can make something and put it out there. 9 out of 10 times it ends up being a piece of crap that's not worth the asking price.

Yeah because publisher games are always good :roll: some of the best games and ideas last gen came from Indies and stuff like crowd funding.
#20 Posted by Infinite_Access (2479 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]If your game is good enough, you will find someone to publish it. Good job Microsoft for having standards. sammyjenkis898
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#21 Posted by ShoulderOfOrion (3435 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"] But publishers=\= good games :|

Uhm.. publishers care about quality. The quality of the production. Why do you think PC is ridden with bad games? Because anyone and their dog can make something and put it out there. 9 out of 10 times it ends up being a piece of crap that's not worth the asking price.

Yeah because publisher games are always good :roll: some of the best games and ideas last gen came from Indies and stuff like crowd funding.

There are exceptions, kuraimen, but like I said by doing this Microsoft is doing more good than bad. For every great crowd funded and self published game there are like 10 really shitty ones.
#22 Posted by guard12 (1657 posts) -

The bad news keep on piling up. zeroyaoi

I certainly agree with this

#23 Posted by locopatho (20112 posts) -

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

The only thing I can relate Xbox One to right now is a Socialist government; Right now they want to control everything. Can't say I like any of their recent decisions.

Puckhog04

Socialism can be democratic or authoritarian.

:roll:

And? I feel pretty confidently that people understand what I'm getting at...

It's pretty unclear really. If you called them a dictatorship that'd make more sense. Tho really all consoles are. The PC is for the freedom lovers :P
#24 Posted by Zaibach (13430 posts) -

how is this getting worse? :? 

its been nearly 24 hrs

#25 Posted by Infinite_Access (2479 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] Uhm.. publishers care about quality. The quality of the production. Why do you think PC is ridden with bad games? Because anyone and their dog can make something and put it out there. 9 out of 10 times it ends up being a piece of crap that's not worth the asking price.

Yeah because publisher games are always good :roll: some of the best games and ideas last gen came from Indies and stuff like crowd funding.

There are exceptions, kuraimen, but like I said by doing this Microsoft is doing more good than bad. For every great crowd funded and self published game there are like 10 really shitty ones.

So let GAMERS decide whats good???
#26 Posted by X_CAPCOM_X (6023 posts) -

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

The only thing I can relate Xbox One to right now is a Socialist government; Right now they want to control everything. Can't say I like any of their recent decisions.

Puckhog04

Socialism can be democratic or authoritarian.

:roll:

And? I feel pretty confidently that people understand what I'm getting at...



Ignorant people who don't understand the fact that socialism and dictatorship are entirely different things may "understand" your post. Are you banking on people being ignorant? Or is it that you too are ignorant?

"Xbox One wants to provide public services like education to everyone!" Socialist Xbox One.

#27 Posted by MonsieurX (29173 posts) -
[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]If your game is good enough, you will find someone to publish it. Good job Microsoft for having standards. ShoulderOfOrion
But publishers=\= good games :|

Uhm.. publishers care about quality. The quality of the production. Why do you think PC is ridden with bad games? Because anyone and their dog can make something and put it out there. 9 out of 10 times it ends up being a piece of crap that's not worth the asking price.

lolno
#28 Posted by ShoulderOfOrion (3435 posts) -
[QUOTE="Infinite_Access"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Yeah because publisher games are always good :roll: some of the best games and ideas last gen came from Indies and stuff like crowd funding.

There are exceptions, kuraimen, but like I said by doing this Microsoft is doing more good than bad. For every great crowd funded and self published game there are like 10 really shitty ones.

So let GAMERS decide whats good???

How many gamers are willing to dig through a ton of crap to find the one gem?
#29 Posted by Amvis (510 posts) -

Not really that big of a deal.

#30 Posted by Infinite_Access (2479 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="Infinite_Access"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] There are exceptions, kuraimen, but like I said by doing this Microsoft is doing more good than bad. For every great crowd funded and self published game there are like 10 really shitty ones.

So let GAMERS decide whats good???

How many gamers are willing to dig through a ton of crap to find the one gem?

Word of mouth is a good thing... think.. minecraft
#31 Posted by LustForSoul (5827 posts) -
[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]What can I say, they only allow quality content. Rattlesnake_8
No, what this does it means people who makes games that are awesome won't get all the profit.. they now have to give up a large chunk of that money to MS. This means they have less funds to develop their next game.. in other words indie devs are less likely to make games for xbox one and more likely to make them for ps4, pc, ios or android.

It doesn't say MS has to publish it.
#32 Posted by ShoulderOfOrion (3435 posts) -
[QUOTE="Infinite_Access"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] How many gamers are willing to dig through a ton of crap to find the one gem?

Word of mouth is a good thing... think.. minecraft

Minecraft sucks, thanks for proving my point.
#33 Posted by MonsieurX (29173 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="Infinite_Access"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] There are exceptions, kuraimen, but like I said by doing this Microsoft is doing more good than bad. For every great crowd funded and self published game there are like 10 really shitty ones.

So let GAMERS decide whats good???

How many gamers are willing to dig through a ton of crap to find the one gem?

Tons do.
#34 Posted by bleehum (5320 posts) -

Isn't this a good thing? So the store wouldn't be filled with crap? 

ninjapirate2000
No, this isn't a good thing.
#35 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] Uhm.. publishers care about quality. The quality of the production. Why do you think PC is ridden with bad games? Because anyone and their dog can make something and put it out there. 9 out of 10 times it ends up being a piece of crap that's not worth the asking price.

Yeah because publisher games are always good :roll: some of the best games and ideas last gen came from Indies and stuff like crowd funding.

There are exceptions, kuraimen, but like I said by doing this Microsoft is doing more good than bad. For every great crowd funded and self published game there are like 10 really shitty ones.

Yeah because having more options and more freedom to work with is bad :lol: indie developing is huge now and has revived the pc gaming industry. That M$ is closing that venue is living in the past and holding back gaming.
#36 Posted by Infinite_Access (2479 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="Infinite_Access"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] How many gamers are willing to dig through a ton of crap to find the one gem?

Word of mouth is a good thing... think.. minecraft

Minecraft sucks, thanks for proving my point.

And now I can't take you seriously. You really are just HAVING to defend everything you see huh? Minecraft has proven itself. However you feel about it is irrelevant.
#37 Posted by Rocker6 (13358 posts) -

Sony having an indie-developer on stage was so awesome. Sony overall seemed so much more humble and like they wanted to give the spotlight to others (developers and gamers). MS sends the message of a fat, greedy, sportsloving douche.Sushiglutton

MS reminds me of Sony after the PS2. 360 was very successful compared to the predcessor, so they probably thinks they can get away with anything at this point.

Seeing all the crap announced so far, I won't be sheding any tears if X1 fails badly...

#38 Posted by MonsieurX (29173 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="Infinite_Access"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] How many gamers are willing to dig through a ton of crap to find the one gem?

Word of mouth is a good thing... think.. minecraft

Minecraft sucks, thanks for proving my point.

Oh boy,here we go
#39 Posted by ShoulderOfOrion (3435 posts) -
[QUOTE="Infinite_Access"] And now I can't take you seriously. You really are just HAVING to defend everything you see huh? Minecraft has proven itself. However you feel about it is irrelevant.

Oh please. It's a stupid game about digging dirt. The production values are like something you would see in 1994.
#40 Posted by balfe1990 (6747 posts) -

In a way, I'd prefer to have a curated marketplace that's about quality, not quantity.

If the store was overflowing with crap, like the Google Play store, it'd be a turn-off having to sift through the shit to find the diamond. Also, legitimately good games might get drowned beneath the wave of mediocre shovelware.

If MS had some sort of quality control process that allowed them to filter the good from the bad, and greenlight great games, without said game needing some big-name publisher or partner, that'd be brilliant. The ideal scenario.

If they mean genuinely good games can't get published because of some arbitrary rule that states they need a publisher, then that's very stupid.

#41 Posted by Cyberdot (3510 posts) -

Lol.

Microsoft just wants "publishion fee" of $1 million for each indie game as it is typical for the name of Microsoft. Again, they are being anti-competition and anti-consumer.

#42 Posted by Infinite_Access (2479 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="Infinite_Access"] And now I can't take you seriously. You really are just HAVING to defend everything you see huh? Minecraft has proven itself. However you feel about it is irrelevant.

Oh please. It's a stupid game about digging dirt. The production values are like something you would see in 1994.

and its FUN AS HELL!! And many more agree that it is. I'm done with you.
#43 Posted by Infinite_Access (2479 posts) -

Lol.

Microsoft just wants "publishion fee" of $1 million for each indie game as it is typical for the name of Microsoft. Again, they are being anti-competition and anti-consumer.

Cyberdot
#44 Posted by MonsieurX (29173 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="Infinite_Access"] And now I can't take you seriously. You really are just HAVING to defend everything you see huh? Minecraft has proven itself. However you feel about it is irrelevant.

Oh please. It's a stupid game about digging dirt. The production values are like something you would see in 1994.

Where's the fun in Legos? Stupid plastic blocs
#45 Posted by ShoulderOfOrion (3435 posts) -
[QUOTE="Infinite_Access"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="Infinite_Access"] And now I can't take you seriously. You really are just HAVING to defend everything you see huh? Minecraft has proven itself. However you feel about it is irrelevant.

Oh please. It's a stupid game about digging dirt. The production values are like something you would see in 1994.

and its FUN AS HELL!! And many more agree that it is. I'm done with you.

Nothing fun about stacking shit and hitting trees with a stick.
#46 Posted by MonsieurX (29173 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="Infinite_Access"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] Oh please. It's a stupid game about digging dirt. The production values are like something you would see in 1994.

and its FUN AS HELL!! And many more agree that it is. I'm done with you.

Nothing fun about stacking shit and hitting trees with a stick.

I guess you didn't get it. Poor console peasants
#47 Posted by Amvis (510 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="Infinite_Access"] And now I can't take you seriously. You really are just HAVING to defend everything you see huh? Minecraft has proven itself. However you feel about it is irrelevant. Infinite_Access
Oh please. It's a stupid game about digging dirt. The production values are like something you would see in 1994.

and its FUN AS HELL!! And many more agree that it is. I'm done with you.

It was fun for like three months, and then I quit. I consider the game a novelty.

Honestly though, how many games on the indie scene are actually good? I just don't see this as some sort of doomsday thing.

#48 Posted by MonsieurX (29173 posts) -

[QUOTE="Infinite_Access"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] Oh please. It's a stupid game about digging dirt. The production values are like something you would see in 1994. Amvis

and its FUN AS HELL!! And many more agree that it is. I'm done with you.

It was fun for like three months, and then I quit. I consider the game a novelty.

Honestly though, how many games on the indie scene are actually good? I just don't see this as some sort of doomsday thing.

Hotline Miami?
#49 Posted by LustForSoul (5827 posts) -
MS has the biggest exclusive Indie game already, it outsells any other one, every day it exists. They have no need for shallow Indie games when they have Mcraft.
#50 Posted by balfe1990 (6747 posts) -

MS has the biggest exclusive Indie game already, it outsells any other one, every day it exists. They have no need for shallow Indie games when they have Mcraft. LustForSoul

Yeah, one year exclusivity. Don't be surprised to see it on PS3/Wii U soon.