Xbox One: Rushed Hardware, Games at 900p, Hardware Failures

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#101 Posted by xboxiphoneps3 (2412 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

Yes and all the X1s that are actually being played are overheating and crashing on the One Tour.

Sony mean while can't get a single unit out in the wild to be played by the public.

they are already sending out PS4 kiosks to stores lol... fail

#102 Posted by edidili (3449 posts) -

@Netherscourge said:

Who the hell is CBOAT?

Some guy on a payroll with a clear agenda. His mission is to spread as much negative rumors as possible for xbox. Some of which after a while were proven to be false but he doesn't seem to care. The intent is for the original claim to spread like wildfire, whether it proves to be false or not after a while doesn't matter after the damage is done.

#103 Posted by xboxiphoneps3 (2412 posts) -

@tdkmillsy said:

Xbox One is massive in size, big fan, components that give out less heat and an external PSU.

PS4 is smaller with a smaller fan, components that give out more heat and an internal PSU.

Its not rocket science which is most likely to have problems. If you think the Xbox One is going to have problems and the PS4 will be fine your in for a big surprise. Technical wizardry can only go so far and Microsoft have learnt their lesson on RROD.

Xbox One actually would produce more heat, its APU has over 5 billion transistors and eSRAM gives off some heat, which is why they went with the brute force giant fan in the Xbox One

#104 Edited by Krelian-co (12089 posts) -

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@blackace said:

NeoGaf is owned by Sony. I wouldn't believe anything they say. Last rumors I heard is final XB1 devkits were sent out sometime at the end of Aug. There have also been rumors of PS4 retail hardware overheating and crashing. Might be why they haven't sent any of them to retail with kiosks yet. Time will tell. The next year should be interesting.

blackace self owning himself again, does he ever get tired of looking like an idiot?

#105 Posted by killzowned24 (7345 posts) -

@darkangel115 said:

@killzowned24 said:

PS4 November launch = 32 countries

xbone=13 countries ...lol,no problem at all!!!

most of the PS4 countries have less then 10 consoles available and a price that nobody in those countries can even afford. its all marketing BS. Not to mention some countries don't even have PSN store available to them

LOL, which ones?

United States, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Sweden, Switzerland, Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Panama, and Peru.

#106 Posted by McStrongfast (4272 posts) -

@edidili said:

@Netherscourge said:

Who the hell is CBOAT?

Some guy on a payroll with a clear agenda. His mission is to spread as much negative rumors as possible for xbox. Some of which after a while were proven to be false but he doesn't seem to care. The intent is for the original claim to spread like wildfire, whether it proves to be false or not after a while doesn't matter after the damage is done.

You're on a payroll.

#107 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (8272 posts) -

I call bullshit. Cboat works for Sony and this is a direct response to counter the PS4 Redline of death issues. There are hundreds of X1's on tour now that are all playable. Why is Knack the only game that has been played on a PS4? We are only a month away from launch and like I have said months ago, the PS4 will be delayed because it is a mess right now.

#108 Posted by edidili (3449 posts) -

@McStrongfast said:

You're on a payroll.

Yeah sure, whatever.

Saying a console cannot do 1080p is pants on head retarded. There is nothing hardware-wise that can stop a dev from making their game run in 1080p. PS3/360 can do 1080p, so can WiiU. You just have to lower the graphical capabilities of a game and up the resolution. It's up to the developer how they're going to design their game. More visual fluff and less FPS/ resolution or the other way around.

#109 Posted by killzowned24 (7345 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

I call bullshit. Cboat works for Sony and this is a direct response to counter the PS4 Redline of death issues. There are hundreds of X1's on tour now that are all playable. Why is Knack the only game that has been played on a PS4? We are only a month away from launch and like I have said months ago, the PS4 will be delayed because it is a mess right now.

So Sony has inside info that MS developers didn't even know about? He has to work for MS to have such info. Also,on tour don't mean jack!! My 360 lasted like 3 months before RROD.

#110 Posted by aroxx_ab (10540 posts) -

Looks like NeoGAF is the site to be at, all news get linked from there anyway ^^

#111 Posted by Puckhog04 (22680 posts) -

Both console are going to have hardware issues. One main reason I'm waiting till April - July of Next year to pick up both (at the same time...yes).

#112 Edited by Chozofication (3261 posts) -

900p for games is true, 32mb's of eSRAM is not enough. They should have went with 48mb's of some sort of eDRAM instead. Nothing could save the wimpy gpu though.

I love watching MS fail, so I hope the hardware overheating is true. *It's not though lol*

#113 Posted by stereointegrity (10763 posts) -

@Chozofication said:

900p for games is true, 32mb's of eSRAM is not enough. They should have went with 48mb's of some sort of eDRAM instead. Nothing could save the wimpy gpu though.

I love watching MS fail, so I hope the hardware overheating is true. *It's not though lol*

edram cost too much at that density

#114 Posted by StrifeDelivery (1724 posts) -

1) PS4 "red line of death" is debunked, and completely overblown. The console will shutdown if overheated, it is not bricked like RROD. Also, when the case was opened, the system went back to normal

Joshua Eldridge @JoshEldridge016

Shuhei Yoshida @yosp

@JoshEldridge016 not true

@yosp is the red line of death on the PS4 true

2) PS4 kiosks are already available, here is a german kiosk

pf8h

and 3) Guess we will have to wait and see if the xbone info is true or not. Also, people still cry over neogaf?

#115 Posted by Chozofication (3261 posts) -

@stereointegrity said:

@Chozofication said:

900p for games is true, 32mb's of eSRAM is not enough. They should have went with 48mb's of some sort of eDRAM instead. Nothing could save the wimpy gpu though.

I love watching MS fail, so I hope the hardware overheating is true. *It's not though lol*

edram cost too much at that density

I'm no expert, but if Nintendo could splurge for 32mb's in the Wii U, I think MS could afford more. Plus eSRAM is more costly than eDRAM in the first place, so the cost would probably balance out.

Heat and die size is another issue though.

#116 Posted by arkephonic (6471 posts) -

There was a hands on with Kinect about a few weeks ago saying that it was so bad that it was borderline unusable. The consensus was that this close to launch, with the Kinect being so incredibly bad, that's the way it's going to be. They don't have enough time to fix it. The Kinect is going to be a paper weight. It's no wonder why they haven't implemented it into any games effectively.

#117 Posted by Scipio8 (710 posts) -

The only thing crashing and red-ringing at the moment is the PS4.

#118 Posted by trollhunter2 (1214 posts) -

@blackace said:

NeoGaf is owned by Sony. I wouldn't believe anything they say. Last rumors I heard is final XB1 devkits were sent out sometime at the end of Aug. There have also been rumors of PS4 retail hardware overheating and crashing. Might be why they haven't sent any of them to retail with kiosks yet. Time will tell. The next year should be interesting.

lol dat salt

#119 Posted by arkephonic (6471 posts) -

This article was released less than 1 month ago.

http://kotaku.com/why-im-a-little-bit-worried-about-kinect-1381738496

I am a little bit worried about Kinect.

I’ve just spent 10 minutes being scanned into Kinect Sports Rivals. I’m not sure if it’s working correctly. The only feedback I am being given is from a Microsoft rep to my right. He’s politely giving me instructions when the Kinect (for some reason) stops the scan.

“Take a step forward.”

“Take a step back.”

“Maybe just tilt your head a little bit left.”

After this laborious effort (which I’m assured will be streamlined before launch) Kinect Sports Rivals goes through the process of translating the information into a virtual representation of me. As it does its calculations I ask myself, ‘if this is difficult with a Microsoft representative guiding me step by step, how difficult will it be for a ten year old in the comfort of his or her own home, or parents who’ve never used a console before?’1

Then my avatar pops up. It looks vaguely like me. Vaguely. That’s being generous. The 3DS did a similar job of creating my Mii with a single low-resolution photograph. Was it really worth all that effort?

Now to play Kinect Sports Rivals itself. The rep sets up a two player game. Rock climbing. As someone obsessed with rock climbing (I climb three times a week) I’m super excited. I stand side by side with the Microsoft rep. Immediately I notice there is something wrong. My avatar’s limbs are contorted like some screwed up Lovecraftian marionette, my arms twitch incessantly, clearly not responding to any of my movements.2

I think we have a problem here.

Yesterday I spent a fair amount of time with the Xbox One’s new Kinect, and it seemed like a significant chunk of that time was spent trying to get things to work when (two months from the launch of Xbox One) they should simply work.3

We were supposed to be forgiving, and we were. After two player Rock Climbing on Kinect Sports Rivals clearly wasn’t working, I was happy to simply try out the single player, despite Microsoft making a big fuss of the fact Kinect allows multiple players on-screen simultaneously. Single player climbing worked more fluidly but, regardless, I never really felt like I was in control of my actions. My movements weren’t being replicated accurately. I felt as though I was fumbling my way to the top with no real in-game feedback; no real sense that Kinect was working as advertised.4

‘The lag has been reduced massively’: that’s what we’re constantly being told in conferences, in communications with Microsoft, in interviews, in previews. I have no doubt there are figures to back those statements up, but the disconnect between my movements in real life as replicated on screen is obvious. I feel it, instantly, and it makes playing any game with Kinect a frustrating experience. The next game I play is Wakeboarding, it feels a little better than climbing, but it’s nowhere near responsive enough. The delay is obvious to anyone who plays it, to the point where I can’t imagine anyone investing in it to any great extent.56

I find myself asking another question: three years after the release of Kinect, how many video games have really worked well with Kinect? I come up with two names. Two. Dance Central and Child of Eden. In three years. Is it possible that Kinect just isn’t suited for video games?

#120 Edited by BPoole96 (22803 posts) -

Add another bullet on the board of reasons why to never get XBoned

#121 Posted by Chozofication (3261 posts) -

^ Even if Kinect worked as advertised, it would still be useless crap. And an advert cam. But about the latency, I think it was John Carmack that said shortly after MS had the new kinect available for demos that it was basically no better than the original.

I'd say if MS got smarter, they'd ditch it, but seeing how adamant they were about forcing it down our throats in the first place, that might not happen ever. And there would go a lot of people from ever buying the console.

#122 Posted by tormentos (19277 posts) -

@kingoflife9 said:

@I_can_haz: look at that enormous fan, MS is making sure they don't have hardware issues. They also said xbox one is designed to last 10 years without being turned off if you so choose. I'm supposed to believe some random anonymous rumor whore? Please.

I wonder where MS got the time machine that allow them to travel 10 years ahead in time to actually see that the xbox one units were lasting 10 years..

Funny thing is that they are having yield issues and some how claim the unit will last 10 years,even worse without been turn off.hahahaha..

#123 Edited by blackace (21228 posts) -

@AmayaPapaya said:

I feel like everything I hear about X box One is bad :P

That's because you're reading a lot of BS on a bias forum. Even positive news on XB1 (like their tour) will be bashed and rejected here in SW.

#124 Posted by blackace (21228 posts) -

@tormentos said:

@blackace said:

NeoGaf is owned by Sony. I wouldn't believe anything they say. Last rumors I heard is final XB1 devkits were sent out sometime at the end of Aug. There have also been rumors of PS4 retail hardware overheating and crashing. Might be why they haven't sent any of them to retail with kiosks yet. Time will tell. The next year should be interesting.

Do you even read or you just go full damage control mode without reading.?

MS is admitting faulty hardware they did not deny it,they claimed it is some stress test units..

I read it. NeoGaf is still being paid for by Sony. The story doesn't change that. Yes, I know they are saying the units were stress test units which makes this whole thread irrelevant. Every hardware analyst who've looked at the XB1 has said there's no way it will overheat. The fan that's in it is almost 1/3 the size of the unit. lol!! How come no one has seen the inside of the PS4 yet. LOL!!

#125 Edited by tormentos (19277 posts) -

@StormyJoe said:

What a bunch of FUD bullsh*t. Trying to compensate because of the PS4's "Red Line of Death" issues, are we?

Oh, and Forza is 1080p, so that pretty much blows that argument, too.

You cows are so paraniod over the XB1, it borderlines on hysteria.

The news about the red line of death came after Cboat leak...lol

So if anything MS or some one from MS is trying to compensate by inventing crap,in fact on neogaf there is about the red line,it actually show that instead of dying off like the xbox 360,the unit turn off to avoid damage,so how is that even consider bad,not to say that the machine was lock in a box without ventilation,the xbox 360 would have melt if you did that the PS3 as well.

Yeah is the only game that is 1080p and is not impressive,has faked and baked effect and pretty much nothing dynamic.

If you have 10 games and 1 is 1080p 10% of your games are 1080p vs 90% that are not,on xbox one that % if even lower since there is more than 10 games for launch,compare that to the PS4.

The PS3 and xbox 360 could also do 1080p i guess that all games were capable of running at that resolution.

@edidili said:

Some guy on a payroll with a clear agenda. His mission is to spread as much negative rumors as possible for xbox. Some of which after a while were proven to be false but he doesn't seem to care. The intent is for the original claim to spread like wildfire, whether it proves to be false or not after a while doesn't matter after the damage is done.

lol...

You have no idea of what your saying,that dude has been leaking info on neogaf years before you even joined this site,he leaked info for GTA SA dude and specs for the xbox 360 he is a insider i would take his words over Cerny or Nelson any day.

#126 Edited by tormentos (19277 posts) -

blackace

That's because you're reading a lot of BS on a bias forum. Even positive news on XB1 (like their tour) will be bashed and rejected here in SW.

No they news wasn't bash,it was you who people bashed for trying to making see like sony wasn't showing the console while MS was.. lol

@blackace said:

I read it. NeoGaf is still being paid for by Sony. The story doesn't change that. Yes, I know they are saying the units were stress test units which makes this whole thread irrelevant. Every hardware analyst who've looked at the XB1 has said there's no way it will overheat. The fan that's in it is almost 1/3 the size of the unit. lol!! How come no one has seen the inside of the PS4 yet. LOL!!

#127 Posted by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

lol people that are trying to discredit the validity of CBOAT are clearly noobs. The guy has been leaking insider info even before the 360 released. He was the first person to leak the specs on Xbox 360 back in the day.

#128 Posted by TheKingIAm (985 posts) -

wow MS and Nintengodno are DONE. That just leaves Sony.

#129 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (8272 posts) -

@I_can_haz: don't forget how he predicted the October release for the PS4. He really nailed that one. Lulz.

#130 Posted by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha: Eh, he doesn't work for Sony so I can see why he would get that one wrong. So far he's been right about almost every M$ prediction he has made.

#131 Edited by StormyJoe (5868 posts) -

@tormentos said:

@StormyJoe said:

What a bunch of FUD bullsh*t. Trying to compensate because of the PS4's "Red Line of Death" issues, are we?

Oh, and Forza is 1080p, so that pretty much blows that argument, too.

You cows are so paraniod over the XB1, it borderlines on hysteria.

The news about the red line of death came after Cboat leak...lol

So if anything MS or some one from MS is trying to compensate by inventing crap,in fact on neogaf there is about the red line,it actually show that instead of dying off like the xbox 360,the unit turn off to avoid damage,so how is that even consider bad,not to say that the machine was lock in a box without ventilation,the xbox 360 would have melt if you did that the PS3 as well.

Yeah is the only game that is 1080p and is not impressive,has faked and baked effect and pretty much nothing dynamic.

If you have 10 games and 1 is 1080p 10% of your games are 1080p vs 90% that are not,on xbox one that % if even lower since there is more than 10 games for launch,compare that to the PS4.

The PS3 and xbox 360 could also do 1080p i guess that all games were capable of running at that resolution.

@edidili said:

Some guy on a payroll with a clear agenda. His mission is to spread as much negative rumors as possible for xbox. Some of which after a while were proven to be false but he doesn't seem to care. The intent is for the original claim to spread like wildfire, whether it proves to be false or not after a while doesn't matter after the damage is done.

lol...

You have no idea of what your saying,that dude has been leaking info on neogaf years before you even joined this site,he leaked info for GTA SA dude and specs for the xbox 360 he is a insider i would take his words over Cerny or Nelson any day.

Why do you continue to reply to my threads when I have said over and over again that I don't give a crap what you have to say?

My FUD comment was aimed at the TC. and I don't care what your opinion of Forza is - you are one of the tards who bash TitanFall.

#132 Edited by xboxiphoneps3 (2412 posts) -

there is a good amount of kiosks and retail PS4's in the wild, FoxbatAlpha and others are in terrible denial, and its pretty sad.

#133 Edited by McStrongfast (4272 posts) -

@edidili said:

@McStrongfast said:

You're on a payroll.

Yeah sure, whatever.

Saying a console cannot do 1080p is pants on head retarded. There is nothing hardware-wise that can stop a dev from making their game run in 1080p. PS3/360 can do 1080p, so can WiiU. You just have to lower the graphical capabilities of a game and up the resolution. It's up to the developer how they're going to design their game. More visual fluff and less FPS/ resolution or the other way around.

You're not on a payroll? Well, good luck with the job hunt.

I don't know who's supposed to have said that, but I know CBOAT didn't.

CBOAT reckons most developers will opt to lower the resolution, like Crytek did. Not like it's a truthfact, just what it expects will happen.

Also there's the vague implication that there might be some sort of reliability issue due to the upclocks. Would be nice if buttocks was to clarify and expand on that.

#134 Posted by KBFloYd (14382 posts) -

@TheKingIAm said:

wow MS and Nintengodno are DONE. That just leaves Sony.

where did nintendo come into this conversation? lol

wiiU is selling now.

#135 Posted by blackace (21228 posts) -

@Krelian-co said:

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@blackace said:

NeoGaf is owned by Sony. I wouldn't believe anything they say. Last rumors I heard is final XB1 devkits were sent out sometime at the end of Aug. There have also been rumors of PS4 retail hardware overheating and crashing. Might be why they haven't sent any of them to retail with kiosks yet. Time will tell. The next year should be interesting.

blackace self owning himself again, does he ever get tired of looking like an idiot?

Looks like you have egg on your face dummy. NeoGaf is worthless. Pretty much everyone knows that.

#136 Posted by XBOunity (2981 posts) -

@GravityX: I believe the 900p might be true. Think cboat is a little bitter about the clock upclocks tho I dont buy the risk factor. Cboat is disgruntled for sure and take a lil with a grain of salt.

#137 Edited by linkdarkside (6255 posts) -

Sony already won the next gen.

#138 Posted by blackace (21228 posts) -

@tormentos said:

blackace

That's because you're reading a lot of BS on a bias forum. Even positive news on XB1 (like their tour) will be bashed and rejected here in SW.

No they news wasn't bash,it was you who people bashed for trying to making see like sony wasn't showing the console while MS was.. lol

@blackace said:

I read it. NeoGaf is still being paid for by Sony. The story doesn't change that. Yes, I know they are saying the units were stress test units which makes this whole thread irrelevant. Every hardware analyst who've looked at the XB1 has said there's no way it will overheat. The fan that's in it is almost 1/3 the size of the unit. lol!! How come no one has seen the inside of the PS4 yet. LOL!!

Whatever you say little boy. lol!! Sony wasn't showing their console. It wasn't at the E3, wasn't at the EuroGamer, wasn't at Gamescom. They had a shell of the system with wired running to the T.V., but you there was no way anyone could see the unit was powered on. Meantime the BIG dev kits were packed below running the games. lol!! I have yet to see PS4 kiosk in the U.S. The system is launching here first. lol!! I'm going to Gamestop now to find out when they are coming it.

#139 Posted by XBOunity (2981 posts) -

@xboxiphoneps3: how do you quote ? Man im having dem issues with the new build

#140 Edited by Life-is-a-Game (584 posts) -

Didn't Microsoft learn anything from 360 HW problems? It really is pathetic that MS are releasing a next-gen console that still faces some HW problems like before :/ .. I love Nintendo for being reliable with their HW :)

#141 Edited by linkdarkside (6255 posts) -

#142 Posted by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

@linkdarkside: LOL nice!

#143 Posted by MonstaTruk (1 posts) -

@nintendoboy16 said:

I had a bad feeling both consoles were going to have problems at launch.

What problems did you have "bad feelings" about, concerning the PS4? Or...would you just like everything to just be "fair"? :-/

#144 Posted by McSkombi (842 posts) -

The question is though: will it blend?

#145 Edited by ronvalencia (15261 posts) -

@I_can_haz said:

@FoxbatAlpha: Eh, he doesn't work for Sony so I can see why he would get that one wrong. So far he's been right about almost every M$ prediction he has made.

Not with the up clock.

@stereointegrity said

edram cost too much at that density

X1 doesn't have eDRAM. DRAM design is different to SRAM.

Note that R9-280X has lower power consumption than 7970 GE (Ghz Edition) while it has slightly higher clocked and still carries the same CU/ROPS count as 7970 GE.

TSMC improves their process tech within the 28 nm process node.

X1's GPU+ESRAM is only clocked to 853 Mhz and it's not over 1 Ghz.

#146 Posted by silversix_ (15262 posts) -

When a bunch of dumbasses create a console, this is bound to happen.

#148 Posted by percech (5237 posts) -

Nice anecdotal evidence. Next time, I'll remember to not give this guy anymore attention.

#149 Posted by tormentos (19277 posts) -

@XBOunity said:

@GravityX: I believe the 900p might be true. Think cboat is a little bitter about the clock upclocks tho I dont buy the risk factor. Cboat is disgruntled for sure and take a lil with a grain of salt.

May be true.? Ryse is 900p,and that i know only 1 games is confirmed 1080p and is Forza.

CBOAT wasn't the one who claimed downclock it was thuway and bruceleeroy.

And higher the clocks the higher the heat,and the xbox one having a huge fan + no internal PSN even that the console is huge means that the console had heat issues to begin with,the PS4 is smaller,has an internal PSU and is actually stronger.

#150 Edited by tormentos (19277 posts) -

@blackace said:

Whatever you say little boy. lol!! Sony wasn't showing their console. It wasn't at the E3, wasn't at the EuroGamer, wasn't at Gamescom. They had a shell of the system with wired running to the T.V., but you there was no way anyone could see the unit was powered on. Meantime the BIG dev kits were packed below running the games. lol!! I have yet to see PS4 kiosk in the U.S. The system is launching here first. lol!! I'm going to Gamestop now to find out when they are coming it.

And yet is MS the one with a shortage of units and the one that will release on only 13 countries,when sony will release on 32 countries..

oh and the one with more than 1 million pre-orders to..

But but sony isn't showing.. hahaha