Xbone GPU downclocked!

Borrowed from Wasdie in the other thread..

From Reddit:

snookums wrote:

So this article at the top of /r/games sounds pretty rosy. They're claiming the esram on the XBO can actually push 192.0 GB/s. That sounds really great...

Except if we read the actual statement, it is this.

However, with near-final production silicon, Microsoft techs have found that the hardware is capable of reading and writing simultaneously. Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

No, they didn't wake up one morning and realize there was an extra data line in their memory module, so lets drill down to what that actually means.

Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

In other words, no, it isn't capable of bidirectional data transfer. Their trying to push through a few extra memory operations, but the it's still strictly read or write.

Now, look at the actual numbers. I have to give credit to R_K_M and Boreras for pointing this out. I'm just aggregating, so I'm going to direct quote.

If I am not mistaken, that just means that they lowered the clock from 800 to 750 and are using the bi-directonal bandwith number for marketing when everyone else is using the bandwith number in one direction. - R_K_M

you're right the numbers do match up perfectly for that (750 (GPU clock) * 128 (bus width)*2(read&write during same cycle) = 192.0 GB/s --- if it were 800 MHz you would get 204.8 GB/s) - Boreras

So we can basically confirm that cboat was correct. The numbers tell the truth. The esram has been downclocked, and Microsoft's PR department is trying to spin it as an increase in total bandwidth based on some cycle tricks that are probably being exaggerated.

:lol: TLHBO! Looks like GPU will be going from 1.23TFLOPs to 1.152 TFlops (768sp x 2ops x 750MHz) now that they've downclocked the GPU from 800MHz to 750MHz

Lemmings....

Wonder where I can buy the computers Microsoft was using at E3 for their Xbox One gamesBlabadon

Yup, I'd much rather have that computer than the Xbox One.

That rat picture freakes me out after playing way to much dishonored. I care little about this downlock anyway.

Lemmings = Chris Bosh

I guess the WiiU and XBO are the new HD twins.

Wonder where I can buy the computers Microsoft was using at E3 for their Xbox One gamesBlabadon

Quantum break running in real time on XB1:

Don't worry guys it doesn't have drm anymore. Makes it better than PS4 am right? Halo not made by Bungie is better than PS4 am right? 

Wonder where I can buy the computers Microsoft was using at E3 for their Xbox One gamesBlabadon

:lol:

Don't worry guys it doesn't have drm anymore. Makes it better than PS4 am right? Halo not made by Bungie is better than PS4 am right? 

neo418

No one knows how good future halo games may be so it's stupid ot say that.

Bu- bu- they were closing the gap to PS4! :cry:

Cows were gonna be running scared! :cry:

:lol:

Well, i would say wait until official numbers and specs are released and not some forum post................but cows are already celebrating so.......navyguy21

From what I read there may be no downclock, but I rather wait for more info first to confirm this. Even if their is a downlock it will be minor most likely.

Quantum break running in real time on XB1:

Douevenlift_bro

hahahahahaha downgrade confirmed 

[QUOTE="neo418"]

Don't worry guys it doesn't have drm anymore. Makes it better than PS4 am right? Halo not made by Bungie is better than PS4 am right? 

super600

No one knows how good future halo games may be so it's stupid ot say that.

You say no one knows a lot, you do know that right? On almost everything! no knows wiiu specs, no one knows xbone, no one knows etc. Where's the fun in that? And historically no game ever made that is made by a developer that is not its original creator has ever been as good as the games made by said creator. 

hahahahahaha download confirmedstereointegrity

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]hahahahahaha download confirmednavyguy21

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

Quantum break running in real time on XB1:

I_can_haz

Bu- bu- they were closing the gap to PS4! :cry:

Cows were gonna be running scared! :cry:

:lol:

Obviously_Right

This is the part of gaming that i will never understand i suppose, even at my age. Why do people enjoy bullying and demeaning others?navyguy21

Human nature. On topic, well it's a forum that encourages it. 

This is the part of gaming that i will never understand i suppose, even at my age. Why do people enjoy bullying and demeaning others?navyguy21

Borrowed from Wasdie in the other thread..

From Reddit:

snookums wrote:

So this article at the top of /r/games sounds pretty rosy. They're claiming the esram on the XBO can actually push 192.0 GB/s. That sounds really great...

Except if we read the actual statement, it is this.

However, with near-final production silicon, Microsoft techs have found that the hardware is capable of reading and writing simultaneously. Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

No, they didn't wake up one morning and realize there was an extra data line in their memory module, so lets drill down to what that actually means.

Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

In other words, no, it isn't capable of bidirectional data transfer. Their trying to push through a few extra memory operations, but the it's still strictly read or write.

Now, look at the actual numbers. I have to give credit to R_K_M and Boreras for pointing this out. I'm just aggregating, so I'm going to direct quote.

If I am not mistaken, that just means that they lowered the clock from 800 to 750 and are using the bi-directonal bandwith number for marketing when everyone else is using the bandwith number in one direction. - R_K_M

you're right the numbers do match up perfectly for that (750 (GPU clock) * 128 (bus width)*2(read&write during same cycle) = 192.0 GB/s --- if it were 800 MHz you would get 204.8 GB/s) - Boreras

So we can basically confirm that cboat was correct. The numbers tell the truth. The esram has been downclocked, and Microsoft's PR department is trying to spin it as an increase in total bandwidth based on some cycle tricks that are probably being exaggerated.I_can_haz

:lol: TLHBO! Looks like GPU will be going from 1.23TFLOPs to 1.152 TFlops (768sp x 2ops x 750MHz) now that they've downclocked the GPU from 800MHz to 750MHz

Lemmings....

102.4 GB/s per direction doesn't indicate down clock.

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]

Borrowed from Wasdie in the other thread..

 

From Reddit:

snookums wrote:

So this article at the top of /r/games sounds pretty rosy. They're claiming the esram on the XBO can actually push 192.0 GB/s. That sounds really great...

Except if we read the actual statement, it is this.

However, with near-final production silicon, Microsoft techs have found that the hardware is capable of reading and writing simultaneously. Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

No, they didn't wake up one morning and realize there was an extra data line in their memory module, so lets drill down to what that actually means.

Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

In other words, no, it isn't capable of bidirectional data transfer. Their trying to push through a few extra memory operations, but the it's still strictly read or write.

Now, look at the actual numbers. I have to give credit to R_K_M and Boreras for pointing this out. I'm just aggregating, so I'm going to direct quote.

If I am not mistaken, that just means that they lowered the clock from 800 to 750 and are using the bi-directonal bandwith number for marketing when everyone else is using the bandwith number in one direction. - R_K_M

you're right the numbers do match up perfectly for that (750 (GPU clock) * 128 (bus width)*2(read&write during same cycle) = 192.0 GB/s --- if it were 800 MHz you would get 204.8 GB/s) - Boreras

So we can basically confirm that cboat was correct. The numbers tell the truth. The esram has been downclocked, and Microsoft's PR department is trying to spin it as an increase in total bandwidth based on some cycle tricks that are probably being exaggerated.ronvalencia

 

 

:lol: TLHBO! Looks like GPU will be going from 1.23TFLOPs to 1.152 TFlops (768sp x 2ops x 750MHz) now that they've downclocked the GPU from 800MHz to 750MHz

 

Lemmings....

 

102.4 GB/s per direction doesn't indicate down clock.

You're a comp. whiz. Can you be system war's unpaid intern and explain all tech related articles?  

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]This is the part of gaming that i will never understand i suppose, even at my age. Why do people enjoy bullying and demeaning others?neo418

Human nature. On topic, well it's a forum that encourages it. 

[QUOTE="neo418"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]This is the part of gaming that i will never understand i suppose, even at my age. Why do people enjoy bullying and demeaning others?navyguy21

Human nature. On topic, well it's a forum that encourages it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI7VT9W587c

LOL seeing cows defending sony exactly as is their religion is so worth it 

LOL seeing cows defending sony exactly as is their religion is so worth it 

nyzma23

I laugh at all fanboys especially the cows.

LOL seeing cows defending sony exactly as is their religion is so worth it 

nyzma23

Lol says a lem. Ironic, no? 

LOL seeing cows defending sony exactly as is their religion is so worth it 

nyzma23

[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

LOL seeing cows defending sony exactly as is their religion is so worth it 

super600

I laugh at all fanboys especially the cows.

Your're like a sheep/lem hybrid who refuses to like Playstation for some reason. Ironic, no? 

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

LOL seeing cows defending sony exactly as is their religion is so worth it 

neo418

I laugh at all fanboys especially the cows.

Your're like a sheep/lem hybrid who refuses to like Playstation for some reason. Ironic, no? 

So if I don't love sony I hate the playstation. The PS4 interest me a bit(i.e some games like infamous second son interest me), but sony still has a lot of work to do to make me buy the ps4.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]

Borrowed from Wasdie in the other thread..

From Reddit:

snookums wrote:

So this article at the top of /r/games sounds pretty rosy. They're claiming the esram on the XBO can actually push 192.0 GB/s. That sounds really great...

Except if we read the actual statement, it is this.

However, with near-final production silicon, Microsoft techs have found that the hardware is capable of reading and writing simultaneously. Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

No, they didn't wake up one morning and realize there was an extra data line in their memory module, so lets drill down to what that actually means.

Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

In other words, no, it isn't capable of bidirectional data transfer. Their trying to push through a few extra memory operations, but the it's still strictly read or write.

Now, look at the actual numbers. I have to give credit to R_K_M and Boreras for pointing this out. I'm just aggregating, so I'm going to direct quote.

If I am not mistaken, that just means that they lowered the clock from 800 to 750 and are using the bi-directonal bandwith number for marketing when everyone else is using the bandwith number in one direction. - R_K_M

you're right the numbers do match up perfectly for that (750 (GPU clock) * 128 (bus width)*2(read&write during same cycle) = 192.0 GB/s --- if it were 800 MHz you would get 204.8 GB/s) - Boreras

So we can basically confirm that cboat was correct. The numbers tell the truth. The esram has been downclocked, and Microsoft's PR department is trying to spin it as an increase in total bandwidth based on some cycle tricks that are probably being exaggerated.neo418

:lol: TLHBO! Looks like GPU will be going from 1.23TFLOPs to 1.152 TFlops (768sp x 2ops x 750MHz) now that they've downclocked the GPU from 800MHz to 750MHz

Lemmings....

102.4 GB/s per direction doesn't indicate down clock.

You're a comp. whiz. Can you be system war's unpaid intern and explain all tech related articles?

If X1's information is correct, SRAM is dual ports for read and write i.e. 128bit for read and 128bit for write.

DRAM (e.g. GDDR5) has a single port for read or write, but AMD designed GCN's GDDR5 memory controller to be 32bits wide i.e. more ports for read and write with 256bit or 384 bit external bus. With 256bit external bus(GDDR5), you could have 128bit (four 32bit channels) for read and 128bit (for 32bit channels) for write OR you have various mix of read and write ratios e.g. one 32bit channel in read mode while seven 32bit channels are in write mode.

Multiple 32bit channels for 256bit GDDR5 setup is more flexible i.e. you not fixed to 128bit read and 128bit write modes. AMD is not stupid when they designed their PC graphics.

[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

LOL seeing cows defending sony exactly as is their religion is so worth it 

super600

I laugh at all fanboys especially the cows.

[QUOTE="neo418"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

I laugh at all fanboys especially the cows.

super600

Your're like a sheep/lem hybrid who refuses to like Playstation for some reason. Ironic, no? 

So if I don't love sony I hate the playstation. The PS4 interest me a bit(i.e some games like infamous second son interest me), but sony still has a lot of work to do to make me buy the ps4.

It's $100 cheaper. Has the best value of any sytem because the price won't be dropping for a long time. Will share 99% of all multiplats. Will have the ever so random awesome exclusive like demon's soul.What is there to not love?  BTW where did you get the sony part? 

[QUOTE="neo418"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

102.4 GB/s per direction doesn't indicate down clock.

ronvalencia

You're a comp. whiz. Can you be system war's unpaid intern and explain all tech related articles?

If X1's information is correct, SRAM is dual ports for read and write i.e. 128bit for read and 128bit for write.

DRAM has a single port for read or write, but AMD designed GCN's GDDR5 memory controller to be 32bits wide i.e. more ports for read and write with 256bit or 384 bit external bus. With 256bit external bus(GDDR5), you could have 128bit (four 32bit channels) for read and 128bit (for 32bit channels) for write OR you have various mix of read and write ratios e.g. one 32bit channel in read mode while seven 32bit channels are in write mode.

Multiple 32bit channels for 256bit GDDR5 setup is more flexible i.e. you not fixed to 128bit read and 128bit write modes. AMD is not stupid when they designed their PC graphics.

eSRAM can only do read/write and the same time if two port. Dual port means that it can read/write at the same time but the read and write are at different clock speeds.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="neo418"]

Your're like a sheep/lem hybrid who refuses to like Playstation for some reason. Ironic, no? 

neo418

So if I don't love sony I hate the playstation. The PS4 interest me a bit(i.e some games like infamous second son interest me), but sony still has a lot of work to do to make me buy the ps4.

It's $100 cheaper. Has the best value of any sytem because the price won't be dropping for a long time. Will share 99% of all multiplats. Will have the ever so random awesome exclusive like demon's soul.What is there to not love?  BTW where did you get the sony part? 

The problem is that the launch lineup is pretty small and poor compared to what is coming out for the One(even though that lineup is okay) and the WiiU's lineup for this year.I could technically buy most of the multiplats on the 360.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

LOL seeing cows defending sony exactly as is their religion is so worth it 

Giancar

I laugh at all fanboys especially the cows.

Probalbly 30%-35%. I hate the crazier cows more than the nice and down to earth ones.

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="super600"]

I laugh at all fanboys especially the cows.

super600

Probalbly 3%-35%. I hate the crazier cows more than the nice and down to earth ones.

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="super600"]

I laugh at all fanboys especially the cows.

super600

Probalbly 3%-35%. I hate the crazier cows more than the nice and down to earth ones.

Lems are by far worse here. You just like Xbox so you agree with most of what they say. 

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Giancar"] What percentage do you hate more cows than the other factions?shadiezz2012

Probalbly 3%-35%. I hate the crazier cows more than the nice and down to earth ones.

True. But the crazier cows are worse than the crazier lems most of the time.

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="super600"]

 

Probalbly 3%-35%. I hate the crazier cows more than the nice and down to earth ones.

super600

True. But the crazier cows are worse than the crazier lems most of the time.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Giancar"] What percentage do you hate more cows than the other factions?Sagemode87

Probalbly 3%-35%. I hate the crazier cows more than the nice and down to earth ones.

Lems are by far worse here. You just like Xbox so you agree with most of what they say. 

Most people agree with me. The cows are way worse than man the lems most of the time.