World Exclusive: Durango unveiled!

Hmmm....are those good specs or not?

PAL360

Hmmm....are those good specs or not?

PAL360

Good specs.

Pretty much high end PC specs.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]Not good enough, I want more power.ZombieKiller7

I AM ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROLLLL

*makes 720 more powerful*

There ya go

the GPU has 12 cores with 768 threads. Is that the same as a stream processor or pipelines? I always thought when the specs of a GPU said it had like 800 stream processors that they were actual physical cores... No?

Gue1

Modern GPUs, which the Durango's is based off of, uses GPGPUs which are general processing GPUs. This means they have a functionally complete set of instructions so they can do general processing. What sets them apart from CPUs is their size and how they are interfaced with. These cores are a lot smaller, even if they are functionally complete, to CPU cores and thus are a lot weaker. They make up for this by having several hundred on the card at once that are interfaced uniformly. This makes them ideal for doing graphical calculations as with graphics you're doing a lot of parallel math.

Bascially, it sounds like these GPUs will cruch pixels pretty well.

Clock speed means nothing.. A CPU with 1.6 clock speed can be more efficient that one that is clocked at 2.8,i am sure this CPU is way more effective than the Xenon which is 3 cores 6 threads at 3.2 GHZ.tormentos

You just don't get it. It's not just about the clock speed. It about why it's at that clock speed. They are cutting corners on the CPU if the rumors are true. Like I said Laptop grade... Not PC grade.

Are these leaks again? Or the actual specs?freedomfreak

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Clock speed means nothing.. A CPU with 1.6 clock speed can be more efficient that one that is clocked at 2.8,i am sure this CPU is way more effective than the Xenon which is 3 cores 6 threads at 3.2 GHZ.Truth_Hurts_U

You just don't get it. It's not just about the clock speed. It about why it's at that clock speed. They are cutting corners on the CPU if the rumors are true. Like I said Laptop grade... Not PC grade.

My buddy's laptop grade CPU, an underclocked i7 ivy bridge (clocked at like a max of 2.0 ghz) can play Shogun 2 total war and ArmA 2 no problem. You're severely under estimating what a lower clocked CPU can do.

Right now all processors are moving to lower clock speeds because of power consumption. With tablets and smart phones taking over, you cannot rely on power hungry CPUs. They can get quite a bit of performance out of those lower clocked CPUs.

Remember, the hardware makes a lot of decision on how to process info. While their clock speeds may be lower, they can still preform just as efficiently as higher clocked CPUs.

No PC game I have strains my 4.2 ghz 3770k processor at all. I rarely hit even 50% CPU utilization across 2 cores for even the most demanding games. There is a ton of overhead in the CPU department for gaming. They can give the consoles a processor with 1/8th of the power of my CPU and it will still be able to run games with some overhead.

They are cutting logical corners. Why waste money pumping up the hardware that games don't use? Games really just need lots of decently fast memory and a good GPU. CPUs haven't been a bottleneck for gaming for years. It's just that these massive GPUs get bottlenecked by slower CPUs.

Considering the PS4 specs would not be way far,i say yes imaging Halo 4 on a console 6 times more powerful.tormentos

I know the RAM is really good. The rest I don't understand:PCheleman

Ok guys, thanks. This E3 will be so good!

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Clock speed means nothing.. A CPU with 1.6 clock speed can be more efficient that one that is clocked at 2.8,i am sure this CPU is way more effective than the Xenon which is 3 cores 6 threads at 3.2 GHZ.Truth_Hurts_U

You just don't get it. It's not just about the clock speed. It about why it's at that clock speed. They are cutting corners on the CPU if the rumors are true. Like I said Laptop grade... Not PC grade.

Low freq because of heat.

Lots of cores to compensate for low freq.

Basically think of it as a 3.2Ghz Phenom II Quad (or whatever AMD's latest CPU is)

My buddy's laptop grade CPU, an underclocked i7 ivy bridge (clocked at like a max of 2.0 ghz) can play Shogun 2 total war and ArmA 2 no problem. You're severely under estimating what a lower clocked CPU can do.

Right now all processors are moving to lower clock speeds because of power consumption. With tablets and smartphones taking over, you cannot rely on power hungry CPUs. They can get quite a bit of performance out of those lower clocked CPUs.

Remember, the hardware makes a lot of decision on how to process info. While their clock speeds may be lower, they can still preform just as efficently as higher clocked CPUs.

Wasdie

And you gotta think here. This is not an intel processor. And it's 1.6 GHz.

They are not down clocking processor they are shrinking the die size to reduce power.

I bet a Core I3 desktop part will have more arsh then this rumoured CPU.

Low freq because of heat.

Lots of cores to compensate for low freq.

Basically think of it as a 3.2Ghz Phenom II Quad (or whatever AMD's latest CPU is)

ZombieKiller7

Well, I'm telling you now, if this thing is real it's gonna be taped out in 3 years. Alot of slow cores arn't going to make devs happy.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Clock speed means nothing.. A CPU with 1.6 clock speed can be more efficient that one that is clocked at 2.8,i am sure this CPU is way more effective than the Xenon which is 3 cores 6 threads at 3.2 GHZ.Truth_Hurts_U

You just don't get it. It's not just about the clock speed. It about why it's at that clock speed. They are cutting corners on the CPU if the rumors are true. Like I said Laptop grade... Not PC grade.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Should be able to handle MS's direction TheEroica

... Wow, That's Impressive :shock: :lol:

[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Heil68"]Should be able to handle MS's direction SecretPolice

... Wow, That's Impressive :shock: :lol:

There is also something call effectiveness,and while the CPU may seem even weaker of slower than the Xenon,it could be way more powerful and efficient,so if you have 2 CPU one 100 Gflops another 115 Gflops is easy to think one is faster than another,but that is not really the whole story,since this are peak performance numbers,actual practical number and efficiency could be way different. In fact maybe the 115Gflops CPU is 50% efficient,while the 100 Gflops one is 90% efficient... Also just because something is laptop doesn't mean is under power the 7970M GPU kick the living crap out of the xbox 360 and PS3.tormentos

Given the specs of the romured processor I would put it at around 3 times the 360 CPU. Which isn't crap. If you follow mores law it should be 16+ times more powerful.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

My buddy's laptop grade CPU, an underclocked i7 ivy bridge (clocked at like a max of 2.0 ghz) can play Shogun 2 total war and ArmA 2 no problem. You're severely under estimating what a lower clocked CPU can do.

Right now all processors are moving to lower clock speeds because of power consumption. With tablets and smartphones taking over, you cannot rely on power hungry CPUs. They can get quite a bit of performance out of those lower clocked CPUs.

Remember, the hardware makes a lot of decision on how to process info. While their clock speeds may be lower, they can still preform just as efficently as higher clocked CPUs.

Truth_Hurts_U

And you gotta think here. This is not an intel processor. And it's 1.6 GHz.

They are not down clocking processor they are shrinking the die size to reduce power.

I bet a Core I3 desktop part will have more arsh then this rumoured CPU.

That's a lofty bet. Also you're ignoring the overhead a PC processor has to deal with. This is a focused CPU for gaming.

Devs this gen have said that it's not the CPU that has dragged the PS3/360 down, it was the weaker GPUs and the lower amount of RAM they had.

You have to stop comparing these consoles to PCs. They aren't. They don't have the same overhead or processing requirements that PC processors need. These are customized just for gaming and performance, not for compatibility.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"] OMG!!! WANT!!!!Heil68

... Wow, That's Impressive :shock: :lol:

[QUOTE="tormentos"]There is also something call effectiveness,and while the CPU may seem even weaker of slower than the Xenon,it could be way more powerful and efficient,so if you have 2 CPU one 100 Gflops another 115 Gflops is easy to think one is faster than another,but that is not really the whole story,since this are peak performance numbers,actual practical number and efficiency could be way different. In fact maybe the 115Gflops CPU is 50% efficient,while the 100 Gflops one is 90% efficient... Also just because something is laptop doesn't mean is under power the 7970M GPU kick the living crap out of the xbox 360 and PS3.Truth_Hurts_U

Given the specs of the romured processor I would put it at around 3 times the 360 CPU. Which isn't crap. If you follow mores law it should be 16+ times more powerful.

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]You and me both and even he's saying...

... Wow, That's Impressive :shock: :lol:

SecretPolice

You can't Use Gflops or TFlops to determine how powerful a console is.The 720 could be more then 6X stronger then the 360.super600

Given the specs of the romured processor I would put it at around 3 times the 360 CPU. Which isn't crap. If you follow mores law it should be 16+ times more powerful.Truth_Hurts_U

2X1.5 is more like 32X.fernandmondego_

Xbox 3.2 x 3 = 9.4 - GHZ Total

720 1.6 x 8 = 12.8 - GHz Total

Xbox 3 x 2 = 6 - Threads.

720 8 x 2 = 16 - Threads.

Threads are 15-25% more to processor speed. @ 20% it would be like 2 extra 360 cores.

Add on 1 extra core from the total GHz +1

2+1= 3 cores extra power. So it's 2 times right now.

Give improvements in architecture. Were going to bump it to 3 times. 4 at the most.

Far cry from 16x and even farther then your 32x.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"] 2X1.5 is more like 32X.Truth_Hurts_U

Xbox 3.2 x 3 = 9.4 - GHZ Total

720 1.6 x 8 = 12.8 - GHz Total

Xbox 3 x 2 = 6 - Threads.

720 8 x 2 = 16 - Threads.

Threads are 15-25% more to processor speed. @ 20% it would be like 2 extra 360 cores.

Add on 1 extra core from the total GHz +1

2+1= 3 cores extra power. So it's 2 times right now.

Give improvements in architecture. Were going to bump it to 3 times. 4 at the most.

Far cry from 16x and even farther then your 32x.

Not good enough, I want more power.fernandmondego_

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]Not good enough, I want more power.Nengo_Flow

You think that will do 1080P and 60FPS?

I'm talking about Moores law, isn't it double every 18months? That would be 32+X the 360.fernandmondego_

It's 18-24... So 21 ave.

So 86 months devided by 21 = 4.09

2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 16.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"] I'm talking about Moores law, isn't it double every 18months? That would be 32+X the 360.Truth_Hurts_U

It's 18-24... So 21 ave.

So 86 months devided by 21 = 4.09

2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 16.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"] 2X1.5 is more like 32X.Truth_Hurts_U

Xbox 3.2 x 3 = 9.4 - GHZ Total

720 1.6 x 8 = 12.8 - GHz Total

Xbox 3 x 2 = 6 - Threads.

720 8 x 2 = 16 - Threads.

Threads are 15-25% more to processor speed. @ 20% it would be like 2 extra 360 cores.

Add on 1 extra core from the total GHz +1

2+1= 3 cores extra power. So it's 2 times right now.

Give improvements in architecture. Were going to bump it to 3 times. 4 at the most.

Far cry from 16x and even farther then your 32x.

It doesn't work that way maybe you should read a little more there are several things wrong on your post,starting by 16 threads on the jaguar CPU,Jaguar is not dual threaded is 8 cores 8 threads.tormentos

- each core has one fully independent hardware threadwith no shared execution resources

- each hardware thread can issue two instructions per clock

[QUOTE="tormentos"] It doesn't work that way maybe you should read a little more there are several things wrong on your post,starting by 16 threads on the jaguar CPU,Jaguar is not dual threaded is 8 cores 8 threads.Truth_Hurts_U

- each core has one fully independent hardware threadwith no shared execution resources

- each hardware thread can issue two instructions per clock

Maybe a typo,if not even worst i don't even know why you compare them been 16 threads,speed has nothing to do with it and adding mhz and GHZ isn't quite how it works.. But as far as i know Jaguar is not dual thread so if in deed has 8 core 16 thread that would be a great customization..tormentos

Because it can run 2 operation in 1 clock cycle. Which is 2 threads it can handle.

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Maybe a typo,if not even worst i don't even know why you compare them been 16 threads,speed has nothing to do with it and adding mhz and GHZ isn't quite how it works.. But as far as i know Jaguar is not dual thread so if in deed has 8 core 16 thread that would be a great customization..Truth_Hurts_U

Because it can run 2 operation in 1 clock cycle. Which is 2 threads it can handle.

Loosey is going to be upset if this were true!

Wii U 1.5 confirmed. :lol:
Good enough specs for Kinect v2.0 :lol:

Wii U 1.5 confirmed. :lol:
Good enough specs for Kinect v2.0 :lol:

DrTrafalgarLaw

Sounds like a WiiU on a lot of steroids.

With all that RAM, Open world games should do well on this.

[QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Even if they got every single detail completely right, until MS says so and shows us their next console all these rumours are exactly that...just rumours.

Having said that, if those were the specs (or close to the real thing) I don't think anyone would be disappointed to be honest. Seems pretty good IMO.

Inconsistancy

I would be Very, Very disappointed. There better be 2 SOC in that Durango...........

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] I'd be disappointed. Truth_Hurts_U

Ditto... Those specs are not impressive.

Wii U 1.5 confirmed. :lol:
Good enough specs for Kinect v2.0 :lol:

DrTrafalgarLaw

More like Wii U 3.0 and even thats sad when the performance of the Wii U is Comparable to the 360 and PS3.

Thank you Nintendo for making consoles the **** they are going to be because you succesfully launched the Wii.

360 = 250Gflops X 16 = 4 Tflops. Thats what Nextgen should bring but if MS and Sony want to be conservative then 2.5 Tflop - 3 Tflops would be acceptable.

1.2 Tflops is GARBAGE.

ESRAM? Sounds like the crown jewl of ram.

Only having 32mb's doesn't sound that great though. Also the minimum I was expecting for the blu-ray drive at least on the PS4 was 8x, so the PS4 may have Durango beat in every area except CPU. Which is a very good thing.

Wii U 1.5 confirmed. :lol:
Good enough specs for Kinect v2.0 :lol:

DrTrafalgarLaw

Xbox 1.5 all over again? Haters were owned hard once, why insist?

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

Wii U 1.5 confirmed. :lol:
Good enough specs for Kinect v2.0 :lol:

PAL360

Xbox 1.5 all over again? Haters were owned hard once, why insist?

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

Wii U 1.5 confirmed. :lol:
Good enough specs for Kinect v2.0 :lol:

Tessellation

Xbox 1.5 all over again? Haters were owned hard once, why insist?

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Xbox 1.5 all over again? Haters were owned hard once, why insist?

tormentos