Wired's Console Teardown Comparison

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#1 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

Here is the PS4. Looking a little naked and seems to justify the $400.00

Here is the X1(second pic). Chock full of lots of doodads and thingies that just scream sophistication.

Just for comparison..........Super Nintendo (third pic)

The PS3 Slim (forth pic)

xbox 360 (last pic)

As you can see the PS3 slim is scary in similarity to the PS4. More evidence that the PS4 is just a beefed up PS3? The PS3 has become stripped down through the years and now even features a manual tray for the disc drive.

A lot of features of the stripped down PS3 have been carried over to the PS4. Is this a sign that Sony doesn't have the backing to produce a groundbreaking new console or they are playing it safe with a proven design?????

Enjoy the discussion!!!!

#2 Edited by clyde46 (43268 posts) -

Dat horrible green PCB.

#3 Posted by Locutus_Picard (3974 posts) -

All those chips and transistors...only able to run in 720p. :(

#4 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

All those chips and transistors...only able to run in 720p. :(

I see what your saying. This could be related to the late hardware changes to the X1 and less developer time to optimize the games. Right now isn't defining the entire generation.

#5 Posted by RR360DD (11414 posts) -

Look at all those off the shelf parts in the PS4.

#6 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

All those "chips and transistors" make this.....................possible.

#7 Posted by Tighaman (709 posts) -

its funny if you go by the coiltronics, and the wattage of both systems you and go by PC code you would swear the X1 was 2x powerful than the ps4. Yall can make them 720 jokes all you want to, but you will be switching your tune soon.

#8 Posted by Locutus_Picard (3974 posts) -

@Locutus_Picard said:

All those chips and transistors...only able to run in 720p. :(

I see what your saying. This could be related to the late hardware changes to the X1 and less developer time to optimize the games. Right now isn't defining the entire generation.

I've seen the math and rendering a game using deffered shading in 1080p is just not possible, you need 44 MB minimum in the form of esram, and that's without rendering anti-aliasing. Forza 5 doesn't use deffered shading, hence it's in 1080p. 900p is going to be the XB1 standard, 720p for multiplats and 1080p for smaller games.

#9 Edited by MajesticShea (695 posts) -

Xbox One is going to be overheating again :(

#10 Posted by clyde46 (43268 posts) -

Xbox One is going to be overheating again :(

Nope, with that heatsink and fan, not on your nelly.

#11 Posted by AMD655 (4495 posts) -

Both look like extremely weak laptops.

#12 Posted by Locutus_Picard (3974 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@majesticshea said:

Xbox One is going to be overheating again :(

Nope, with that heatsink and fan, not on your nelly.

It does have 5 million transistors. I doubt they'd want to repeat rrod, but then again they're not a hardware company.

#13 Posted by clyde46 (43268 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@majesticshea said:

Xbox One is going to be overheating again :(

Nope, with that heatsink and fan, not on your nelly.

It does have 5 million transistors. I doubt they'd want to repeat rrod, but then again they're not a hardware company.

My 780Ti has 7 billion and that runs cool.

#14 Posted by tormentos (16277 posts) -

All those chips and transistors...only able to run in 720p. :(

But but 5 billion transistor APU..

#15 Posted by blackace (19577 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha: Sony is going to need a BIGGER Fan. With that GPU and the power brick inside the system, it's going to get hotter then Hell in that small box.

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@majesticshea said:

Xbox One is going to be overheating again :(

Nope, with that heatsink and fan, not on your nelly.

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Yeah, there is no chance the XB1 will overheat with all those vents, the heatsink and that huge fan spread across everything. It has a lot more places to take in and release airflow then the PS4.

#16 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@Locutus_Picard said:

All those chips and transistors...only able to run in 720p. :(

I see what your saying. This could be related to the late hardware changes to the X1 and less developer time to optimize the games. Right now isn't defining the entire generation.

I've seen the math and rendering a game using deffered shading in 1080p is just not possible, you need 44 MB minimum in the form of esram, and that's without rendering anti-aliasing. Forza 5 doesn't use deffered shading, hence it's in 1080p. 900p is going to be the XB1 standard, 720p for multiplats and 1080p for smaller games.

What if there is 64MB of Esram???? That is a rumor.

#17 Posted by clyde46 (43268 posts) -

@blackace said:

@FoxbatAlpha: Sony is going to need a BIGGER Fan. With that GPU and the power brick inside the system, it's going to get hotter then Hell in that small box.

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@majesticshea said:

Xbox One is going to be overheating again :(

Nope, with that heatsink and fan, not on your nelly.

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Yeah, there is no chance the XB1 will overheat with all those vents, the heatsink and that huge fan spread across everything. It has a lot more places to take in and release airflow then the PS4.

Nobody but hermits should be allowed to discuss cooling solutions.

#18 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

@Tighaman said:

its funny if you go by the coiltronics, and the wattage of both systems you and go by PC code you would swear the X1 was 2x powerful than the ps4. Yall can make them 720 jokes all you want to, but you will be switching your tune soon.

Correct. The X1 power supply is double that of the PS4. I think there is a squach hiding in there!

#19 Edited by Locutus_Picard (3974 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@Locutus_Picard said:
@FoxbatAlpha said:

@Locutus_Picard said:

All those chips and transistors...only able to run in 720p. :(

I see what your saying. This could be related to the late hardware changes to the X1 and less developer time to optimize the games. Right now isn't defining the entire generation.

I've seen the math and rendering a game using deffered shading in 1080p is just not possible, you need 44 MB minimum in the form of esram, and that's without rendering anti-aliasing. Forza 5 doesn't use deffered shading, hence it's in 1080p. 900p is going to be the XB1 standard, 720p for multiplats and 1080p for smaller games.

What if there is 64MB of Esram???? That is a rumor.

It would make the XB1 twice as big and melt down with frenzied fusion reaction, creating an infamous second sun.

#20 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@blackace said:

@FoxbatAlpha: Sony is going to need a BIGGER Fan. With that GPU and the power brick inside the system, it's going to get hotter then Hell in that small box.

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@majesticshea said:

Xbox One is going to be overheating again :(

Nope, with that heatsink and fan, not on your nelly.

------------------------------------------------

Yeah, there is no chance the XB1 will overheat with all those vents, the heatsink and that huge fan spread across everything. It has a lot more places to take in and release airflow then the PS4.

Nobody but hermits should be allowed to discuss cooling solutions.

Clyde what is your stance on the Ps4 PSU, pretty much blocking the only vents in the PS4? Da hell is this going to work?

#21 Posted by clyde46 (43268 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@blackace said:

@FoxbatAlpha: Sony is going to need a BIGGER Fan. With that GPU and the power brick inside the system, it's going to get hotter then Hell in that small box.

**************************************************************************************

@majesticshea said:

Xbox One is going to be overheating again :(

Nope, with that heatsink and fan, not on your nelly.

------------------------------------------------

Yeah, there is no chance the XB1 will overheat with all those vents, the heatsink and that huge fan spread across everything. It has a lot more places to take in and release airflow then the PS4.

Nobody but hermits should be allowed to discuss cooling solutions.

Clyde what is your stance on the Ps4 PSU, pretty much blocking the only vents in the PS4? Da hell is this going to work?

Shouldn't matter as long as it vents heat away from the case. You can cool a hot chip with a efficient fan and heatsink without having to run said fan at high speeds. Granted, its not going to be as good as a 120mm fan but it should be fine at whats its doing.

#22 Posted by blackace (19577 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@blackace said:

@FoxbatAlpha: Sony is going to need a BIGGER Fan. With that GPU and the power brick inside the system, it's going to get hotter then Hell in that small box.

**************************************************************************************

@majesticshea said:

Xbox One is going to be overheating again :(

Nope, with that heatsink and fan, not on your nelly.

------------------------------------------------

Yeah, there is no chance the XB1 will overheat with all those vents, the heatsink and that huge fan spread across everything. It has a lot more places to take in and release airflow then the PS4.

Nobody but hermits should be allowed to discuss cooling solutions.

I build my own PC and play some PC games. I agree though.

#23 Posted by MajesticShea (695 posts) -

Can't believe the PS4 is a console 50% more powerful than the One and is also 50% smaller.

#24 Posted by kuu2 (6769 posts) -

@Tighaman said:

its funny if you go by the coiltronics, and the wattage of both systems you and go by PC code you would swear the X1 was 2x powerful than the ps4. Yall can make them 720 jokes all you want to, but you will be switching your tune soon.

Correct. The X1 power supply is double that of the PS4. I think there is a squach hiding in there!

That is what is so interesting. Why need all that power if your system is not as powerful? It is super odd.

You have all the indicators of The Ones power, the main ingredient being the best looking games at launch by a wide margin (Ryse/Forz). Seriously I played Ryse yesterday and it has some of the best textures and lighting I have ever seen.

#25 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

Can't believe the PS4 is a console 50% more powerful than the One and is also 50% smaller.

Poor cows still hanging on to that 50% myth. More fantasy than Harry Potter.

Ever notice how no one from Sony has ever mentioned this claim? Just some dev working on a Octodad or Super Arcade Pinball level. Sony wont say this because they know it's not true and have enough backlash coming.

I'm not knocking you for dreaming though.

#26 Edited by blackace (19577 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@clyde46 said:

@blackace said:

@FoxbatAlpha: Sony is going to need a BIGGER Fan. With that GPU and the power brick inside the system, it's going to get hotter then Hell in that small box.

**************************************************************************************

@majesticshea said:

Xbox One is going to be overheating again :(

Nope, with that heatsink and fan, not on your nelly.

------------------------------------------------

Yeah, there is no chance the XB1 will overheat with all those vents, the heatsink and that huge fan spread across everything. It has a lot more places to take in and release airflow then the PS4.

Nobody but hermits should be allowed to discuss cooling solutions.

Clyde what is your stance on the Ps4 PSU, pretty much blocking the only vents in the PS4? Da hell is this going to work?

Shouldn't matter as long as it vents heat away from the case. You can cool a hot chip with a efficient fan and heatsink without having to run said fan at high speeds. Granted, its not going to be as good as a 120mm fan but it should be fine at whats its doing.

Until this happens....

http://www.gameguyz.com/sites/default/files/images/20131710100436.jpg

#27 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@Tighaman said:

its funny if you go by the coiltronics, and the wattage of both systems you and go by PC code you would swear the X1 was 2x powerful than the ps4. Yall can make them 720 jokes all you want to, but you will be switching your tune soon.

Correct. The X1 power supply is double that of the PS4. I think there is a squach hiding in there!

That is what is so interesting. Why need all that power if your system is not as powerful? It is super odd.

You have all the indicators of The Ones power, the main ingredient being the best looking games at launch by a wide margin (Ryse/Forz). Seriously I played Ryse yesterday and it has some of the best textures and lighting I have ever seen.

You lucky ba$tard!!! I will be playing Ryse after my midnight pick up. Dressing warm that night!!!

#28 Posted by blackace (19577 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@Tighaman said:

its funny if you go by the coiltronics, and the wattage of both systems you and go by PC code you would swear the X1 was 2x powerful than the ps4. Yall can make them 720 jokes all you want to, but you will be switching your tune soon.

Correct. The X1 power supply is double that of the PS4. I think there is a squach hiding in there!

That is what is so interesting. Why need all that power if your system is not as powerful? It is super odd.

You have all the indicators of The Ones power, the main ingredient being the best looking games at launch by a wide margin (Ryse/Forz). Seriously I played Ryse yesterday and it has some of the best textures and lighting I have ever seen.

Because surprises aren't meant to be just at E3 events. lol!!

#29 Edited by kuu2 (6769 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

That is what is so interesting. Why need all that power if your system is not as powerful? It is super odd.

You have all the indicators of The Ones power, the main ingredient being the best looking games at launch by a wide margin (Ryse/Forz). Seriously I played Ryse yesterday and it has some of the best textures and lighting I have ever seen.

You lucky ba$tard!!! I will be playing Ryse after my midnight pick up. Dressing warm that night!!!

What is even better is that it was the arena level which I think is not the most up to date build and not much is going on in that level.

I will be out early as well for The One.

#31 Posted by adamosmaki (9340 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha: what the hell does pcb design and component layout has to do with console power or the technology it employs ? If the pcb design satisfies your needs there is nothing need to be changed on that aspect

#32 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha: what the hell does pcb design and component layout has to do with console power or the technology it employs ? If the pcb design satisfies your needs there is nothing need to be changed on that aspect

That's the beauty of this thread................I have no fu7king idea!

#33 Posted by clyde46 (43268 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha: what the hell does pcb design and component layout has to do with console power or the technology it employs ? If the pcb design satisfies your needs there is nothing need to be changed on that aspect

But its green and looks horrible!

#34 Edited by killzowned24 (7281 posts) -

This one of dumbest threads ever.If anything it just shows how much superior Sony is at designing a console.

#35 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

This one of dumbest threads ever.If anything it just shows how much superior Sony is at designing a console.

If anything it shows how poor they are and deliver the basic essentials to let the thing turn on.

#36 Posted by killzowned24 (7281 posts) -

@killzowned24 said:

This one of dumbest threads ever.If anything it just shows how much superior Sony is at designing a console.

If anything it shows how poor they are and deliver the basic essentials to let the thing turn on.

And yet is running the same games with over 2x the resolution. Lems are stupid lol

#37 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@killzowned24 said:

This one of dumbest threads ever.If anything it just shows how much superior Sony is at designing a console.

If anything it shows how poor they are and deliver the basic essentials to let the thing turn on.

And yet is running the same games with over 2x the resolution. Lems are stupid lol

Maybe you didn't see the Pic of Ryse above. Maybe you can provide something 50% better looking to prove that the PS4 Laptop will deliver.

#38 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -
#39 Edited by dvalo9 (1269 posts) -

dude stop posting threads, your acting like a shill

#40 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

@dvalo9 said:

dude stop posting threads, your acting like a shill

That is the whole idea. You should make one and I can come bump the crap out it. Then everyone will like you and you could post things on FB like "Yep, owned more fools on GS today". I am picturing great things for you.

#41 Posted by killzowned24 (7281 posts) -

@killzowned24 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@killzowned24 said:

This one of dumbest threads ever.If anything it just shows how much superior Sony is at designing a console.

If anything it shows how poor they are and deliver the basic essentials to let the thing turn on.

And yet is running the same games with over 2x the resolution. Lems are stupid lol

Maybe you didn't see the Pic of Ryse above. Maybe you can provide something 50% better looking to prove that the PS4 Laptop will deliver.

That video has been Pixel counted as 1080p and is a cutscene. I can see why a lem would do so though since its single player gameplay looks worse than killzone multiplayer. And anyway a multiplat is the best compare since are the same game..duh

this screenshot is few days old and is actual gameplay.

OWNED at 50% more resolution at double the framerate!

#42 Posted by KayJayMaster (60 posts) -

Where is the wii u?

#43 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@killzowned24 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@killzowned24 said:

This one of dumbest threads ever.If anything it just shows how much superior Sony is at designing a console.

If anything it shows how poor they are and deliver the basic essentials to let the thing turn on.

And yet is running the same games with over 2x the resolution. Lems are stupid lol

Maybe you didn't see the Pic of Ryse above. Maybe you can provide something 50% better looking to prove that the PS4 Laptop will deliver.

That video has been Pixel counted as 1080p and is a cutscene. I can see why a lem would do so though since its single player gameplay looks worse than killzone multiplayer. And anyway a multiplat is the best compare since are the same game..duh

this screenshot is few days old and is actual gameplay.

OWNED at 50% more resolution at double the framerate!

LOL, no. Who pixel counted it? Your mom? From all the jealous Ryse vids you see didn't you notice that the cut scenes are the camera zooming in on gameplay????? Yeah the graphics are that good that cows are in denial.

That KZ shot looks like Final Fantasy on PS1. Don't claim ownage anymore. You make yourself not look........................smart.

#44 Edited by kingoflife9 (1987 posts) -

The PS4 has more expensive parts, you're paying more for Kinect and weak hardware lol.

#45 Posted by Tighaman (709 posts) -

@killzowned24: see thats cow stupid logic that 900p is what you gonna see on your tv but what you dont understand is that you are gonna see a 1080p output no matter what.

#46 Edited by killzowned24 (7281 posts) -

@killzowned24 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@killzowned24 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@killzowned24 said:

This one of dumbest threads ever.If anything it just shows how much superior Sony is at designing a console.

If anything it shows how poor they are and deliver the basic essentials to let the thing turn on.

And yet is running the same games with over 2x the resolution. Lems are stupid lol

Maybe you didn't see the Pic of Ryse above. Maybe you can provide something 50% better looking to prove that the PS4 Laptop will deliver.

That video has been Pixel counted as 1080p and is a cutscene. I can see why a lem would do so though since its single player gameplay looks worse than killzone multiplayer. And anyway a multiplat is the best compare since are the same game..duh

this screenshot is few days old and is actual gameplay.

OWNED at 50% more resolution at double the framerate!

LOL, no. Who pixel counted it? Your mom? From all the jealous Ryse vids you see didn't you notice that the cut scenes are the camera zooming in on gameplay????? Yeah the graphics are that good that cows are in denial.

That KZ shot looks like Final Fantasy on PS1. Don't claim ownage anymore. You make yourself not look........................smart.

You think the screenshot you posted is gameplay? See the lems are stupid!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87271798&postcount=61

Lems are in such denial that not one has even posted the new batch of ryse gameplay shots becuase they look so bad.

#47 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@killzowned24 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@killzowned24 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@killzowned24 said:

This one of dumbest threads ever.If anything it just shows how much superior Sony is at designing a console.

If anything it shows how poor they are and deliver the basic essentials to let the thing turn on.

And yet is running the same games with over 2x the resolution. Lems are stupid lol

Maybe you didn't see the Pic of Ryse above. Maybe you can provide something 50% better looking to prove that the PS4 Laptop will deliver.

That video has been Pixel counted as 1080p and is a cutscene. I can see why a lem would do so though since its single player gameplay looks worse than killzone multiplayer. And anyway a multiplat is the best compare since are the same game..duh

this screenshot is few days old and is actual gameplay.

OWNED at 50% more resolution at double the framerate!

LOL, no. Who pixel counted it? Your mom? From all the jealous Ryse vids you see didn't you notice that the cut scenes are the camera zooming in on gameplay????? Yeah the graphics are that good that cows are in denial.

That KZ shot looks like Final Fantasy on PS1. Don't claim ownage anymore. You make yourself not look........................smart.

You think the screenshot you posted is gameplay? See the lems are stupid!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87271798&postcount=61

Lems are in such denial that not one has even posted the new batch of ryse gameplay shots becuase they look so bad.

didn't even click on it. Saw "SonyGAF" . I appreciate your passion for the PS4 though. Maybe if you are ever in the downtown area we can go to a whisky bar and talk about how Killzone is the ultimate shooter.

#49 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (5854 posts) -
#50 Posted by Shewgenja (7767 posts) -

It's easy to see why MS is launching their console at a higher pricepoint. That system board is not going to be easy to scale back. Sony, on the other hand, has a far more intelligent system design. It saves money to use more space on a fab layer than it is to have multiple layers and a more enclosed design space-wise. PSFOUR is going to be freaking tiny!