Wii U Underpowered? Apple didn't think so.

I have been reading forums for awhile, and during E3, I was shocked at just how good looking Mario Kart 8 was during the Best Buy event. Reports at the time had Killzone Shadow Fall struggling to get 30fps while Mario Kart 8 can do 1080p at 60fps. I like many people were looking for answers.

Then Shin'en revealed about the edRAM for the Wii U, which was the secret weapon for the 360. While the 360 only had 10MB worth of EDRAM, the Wii U had 32MB

Here's the kicker; you only need 16MB to be able to render in 1080p.

Well, great, but why is the Espresso CPU so slow?

While a valid point, as some posters on Gamefaqs pointed out, the low clock speed of the Wii U is deceptive

Over ten years ago, Apple in a keynote explained the architecture of a CPU. This is where the popular phrase "Megahertz War" came about.

As Steve Jobs said in the video, how could a CPU with half the speed can be twice as fast?

What does it have to do with System Wars?

There has been a lot of misinformation and marketing spin that's been polluting the internet. When people claim the PS4 to be the most powerful, they would point the clock speed of their CPU and the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. Here's the problem, the Wii U's Espresso is running on 4 stage pipeline, while the Jaguar is running on a pipeline 4 times as long at 16. In the video, they point out that Pentium 4 running at 20 stage pipeline while the old G4 processor is running on 7 stages.

I'm just a reporter with no knowledge, but even I find the video to be far more enlightening than words can ever explain. In essense, do not discount the Wii U on clock speed alone or it would bite you in the back

Doesn't matter. Incompetence must be answered for.CJ_ofCamelot

Wii U Underpowered? Apple didn't think so.

hiphops_savior

When was the last time Apple developed a video game?

[QUOTE="CJ_ofCamelot"]Doesn't matter. Incompetence must be answered for.hiphops_savior

[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]

Wii U Underpowered? Apple didn't think so.

the_bi99man

When was the last time Apple developed a video game?

[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]

Wii U Underpowered? Apple didn't think so.

the_bi99man

When was the last time Apple developed a video game?

Silly comparison really.

Silly comparison really.

tubbyc

LOL Apple and "power".  they put weak ass chips into their devices and charge 5x more.  But i cant lie I have a mac

kingoflife9

[QUOTE="tubbyc"]

Silly comparison really.

hiphops_savior

It would be less demanding to make a Mario Kart game look very pretty and run at 1080p/60FPS compared to a modern, realistic looking shooter.

 

I have been reading forums for awhile, and during E3, I was shocked at just how good looking Mario Kart 8 was during the Best Buy event. Reports at the time had Killzone Shadow Fall struggling to get 30fps while Mario Kart 8 can do 1080p at 60fps. I like many people were looking for answers.

Then Shin'en revealed about the edRAM for the Wii U, which was the secret weapon for the 360. While the 360 only had 10MB worth of EDRAM, the Wii U had 32MB

Here's the kicker; you only need 16MB to be able to render in 1080p.

 

Well, great, but why is the Espresso CPU so slow?

While a valid point, as some posters on Gamefaqs pointed out, the low clock speed of the Wii U is deceptive

Over ten years ago, Apple in a keynote explained the architecture of a CPU. This is where the popular phrase "Megahertz War" came about.

As Steve Jobs said in the video, how could a CPU with half the speed can be twice as fast?

 

What does it have to do with System Wars?

 

There has been a lot of misinformation and marketing spin that's been polluting the internet. When people claim the PS4 to be the most powerful, they would point the clock speed of their CPU and the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. Here's the problem, the Wii U's Espresso is running on 4 stage pipeline, while the Jaguar is running on a pipeline 4 times as long at 16. In the video, they point out that Pentium 4 running at 20 stage pipeline while the old G4 processor is running on 7 stages.

 

I'm just a reporter with no knowledge, but even I find the video to be far more enlightening than words can ever explain. In essense, do not discount the Wii U on clock speed alone or it would bite you in the back

hiphops_savior

The reason kz:sf hits 30 and Mario kart hits 60 is because Mario kart has much lower assets.  It looks like a ps3 game in HD 

this thread had promise.. then i started reading it and now im all :(

I have been reading forums for awhile, and during E3, I was shocked at just how good looking Mario Kart 8 was during the Best Buy event. Reports at the time had Killzone Shadow Fall struggling to get 30fps while Mario Kart 8 can do 1080p at 60fps. I like many people were looking for answers.

Then Shin'en revealed about the edRAM for the Wii U, which was the secret weapon for the 360. While the 360 only had 10MB worth of EDRAM, the Wii U had 32MB

Here's the kicker; you only need 16MB to be able to render in 1080p.

Well, great, but why is the Espresso CPU so slow?

While a valid point, as some posters on Gamefaqs pointed out, the low clock speed of the Wii U is deceptive

Over ten years ago, Apple in a keynote explained the architecture of a CPU. This is where the popular phrase "Megahertz War" came about.

As Steve Jobs said in the video, how could a CPU with half the speed can be twice as fast?

What does it have to do with System Wars?

There has been a lot of misinformation and marketing spin that's been polluting the internet. When people claim the PS4 to be the most powerful, they would point the clock speed of their CPU and the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. Here's the problem, the Wii U's Espresso is running on 4 stage pipeline, while the Jaguar is running on a pipeline 4 times as long at 16. In the video, they point out that Pentium 4 running at 20 stage pipeline while the old G4 processor is running on 7 stages.

I'm just a reporter with no knowledge, but even I find the video to be far more enlightening than words can ever explain. In essense, do not discount the Wii U on clock speed alone or it would bite you in the back

hiphops_savior

The fact that you compared Mario Kart to Shadow Fall graphically proves you know nothing about games. And you quote PC specs in your sig? Pathetic.

Apple doesn't even know anything gaming related besides their android games.

[QUOTE="CJ_ofCamelot"]Doesn't matter. Incompetence must be answered for.hiphops_savior

The fact that you compared Mario Kart to Shadow Fall graphically proves you know nothing about games. And you quote PC specs in your sig? Pathetic.

StrongBlackVine

 

I have been reading forums for awhile, and during E3, I was shocked at just how good looking Mario Kart 8 was during the Best Buy event. Reports at the time had Killzone Shadow Fall struggling to get 30fps while Mario Kart 8 can do 1080p at 60fps. I like many people were looking for answers.

Then Shin'en revealed about the edRAM for the Wii U, which was the secret weapon for the 360. While the 360 only had 10MB worth of EDRAM, the Wii U had 32MB

Here's the kicker; you only need 16MB to be able to render in 1080p.

 

Well, great, but why is the Espresso CPU so slow?

While a valid point, as some posters on Gamefaqs pointed out, the low clock speed of the Wii U is deceptive

Over ten years ago, Apple in a keynote explained the architecture of a CPU. This is where the popular phrase "Megahertz War" came about.

As Steve Jobs said in the video, how could a CPU with half the speed can be twice as fast?

 

What does it have to do with System Wars?

 

There has been a lot of misinformation and marketing spin that's been polluting the internet. When people claim the PS4 to be the most powerful, they would point the clock speed of their CPU and the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. Here's the problem, the Wii U's Espresso is running on 4 stage pipeline, while the Jaguar is running on a pipeline 4 times as long at 16. In the video, they point out that Pentium 4 running at 20 stage pipeline while the old G4 processor is running on 7 stages.

 

I'm just a reporter with no knowledge, but even I find the video to be far more enlightening than words can ever explain. In essense, do not discount the Wii U on clock speed alone or it would bite you in the back

hiphops_savior

Mario Kart 8 most likely runs at a resolution of 720P.

LOL Apple and "power".  they put weak ass chips into their devices and charge 5x more.  But i cant lie I have a mac

kingoflife9

[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]

Wii U Underpowered? Apple didn't think so.

the_bi99man

When was the last time Apple developed a video game?

lolapple 

[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]

 

I have been reading forums for awhile, and during E3, I was shocked at just how good looking Mario Kart 8 was during the Best Buy event. Reports at the time had Killzone Shadow Fall struggling to get 30fps while Mario Kart 8 can do 1080p at 60fps. I like many people were looking for answers.

Then Shin'en revealed about the edRAM for the Wii U, which was the secret weapon for the 360. While the 360 only had 10MB worth of EDRAM, the Wii U had 32MB

Here's the kicker; you only need 16MB to be able to render in 1080p.

 

Well, great, but why is the Espresso CPU so slow?

While a valid point, as some posters on Gamefaqs pointed out, the low clock speed of the Wii U is deceptive

Over ten years ago, Apple in a keynote explained the architecture of a CPU. This is where the popular phrase "Megahertz War" came about.

As Steve Jobs said in the video, how could a CPU with half the speed can be twice as fast?

 

What does it have to do with System Wars?

 

There has been a lot of misinformation and marketing spin that's been polluting the internet. When people claim the PS4 to be the most powerful, they would point the clock speed of their CPU and the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. Here's the problem, the Wii U's Espresso is running on 4 stage pipeline, while the Jaguar is running on a pipeline 4 times as long at 16. In the video, they point out that Pentium 4 running at 20 stage pipeline while the old G4 processor is running on 7 stages.

 

I'm just a reporter with no knowledge, but even I find the video to be far more enlightening than words can ever explain. In essense, do not discount the Wii U on clock speed alone or it would bite you in the back

super600

Mario Kart 8 most likely runs at a resolution of 720P.

The public demo ran at 720p but Nintendo are shooting for 1080p with Smash Bros and Mario Kart. Honestly, I expect Wii U to at least be competitive graphically with PS4 and XB1 for the next year or two, but after that the gap will widen significantly as developers get to grips with the new hardware and their engines evolve.

Apple obviously is a better hardware manufacture than Nintendo is.

iOS and Android have showed us that it doesnt take much to run a cartoon game.

Imagine if the Wii U tried to release a game without kiddy graphicsXxR3m1xInHDn3D

Imagine if the Wii U tried to release a game without kiddy graphicsXxR3m1xInHDn3D

Imagine if the Wii U tried to release a game without kiddy graphicsXxR3m1xInHDn3D

I see the point, but it's not fair to compare the performance of Shadow Fall vs Mario Kart. They have completely different art styles and they're not even in the same genre. At a glance, it seems to me that Shadow Fall has more assets to keep track of that are more complex than those in Mario Kart. I'm not saying Mario Kart looks bad, because it's obviously a beautiful game, but the discrepancy is there.

On another note, I definitely agree that there's more to processors than just clock numbers. The youtube video is a good find. :)

Imagine if the Wii U tried to release a game without kiddy graphicsXxR3m1xInHDn3D

project x..bayonetta2

MK8 is 720p with no AA, the jaggies are everywhere

What's with all these rumors that Wii U games are 1080p/60fps?

MK8 is 720p with no AA, the jaggies are everywhere

What's with all these rumors that Wii U games are 1080p/60fps?

HaloinventedFPS

link where mariokart8 is 720p?

It's the games that matter, more specifically, strong 3rd party support. And WiiU has virtually none of that, with the exception of a sad few. 

Hell, the iPhone 5S sold more than the WiiU and that tiny thing is cable of running not just phone calls and the 32gb is the same price. :lol:

It's the games that matter, more specifically, strong 3rd party support. And WiiU has virtually none of that, with the exception of a sad few. 

Hell, the iPhone 5S sold more than the WiiU and that tiny thing is cable of running not just phone calls and the 32gb is the same price. :lol:

VERTIGO47

didnt the iphone 4 outsell the ps3 :lol:

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

MK8 is 720p with no AA, the jaggies are everywhere

What's with all these rumors that Wii U games are 1080p/60fps?

KBFloYd

link where mariokart8 is 720p?

all the screenshots

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

MK8 is 720p with no AA, the jaggies are everywhere

What's with all these rumors that Wii U games are 1080p/60fps?

HaloinventedFPS

link where mariokart8 is 720p?

all the screenshots

haha..i knew it

[QUOTE="VERTIGO47"]

It's the games that matter, more specifically, strong 3rd party support. And WiiU has virtually none of that, with the exception of a sad few. 

Hell, the iPhone 5S sold more than the WiiU and that tiny thing is cable of running not just phone calls and the 32gb is the same price. :lol:

KBFloYd

didnt the iphone 4 outsell the ps3 :lol:

It very likely did, but why would it matter? Both the PS3 and 360 have strong 3rd party support. And if you include smartphones, tabs and the upcoming HD consoles, what they all have in common is people are ACTUALLY INTERESTED in them, because they have something to offer. 

WiiU has something to offer.....Nintendo games. That's pretty much it. And that fancy Gamepad has done nothing earth shattering wonders after nearly a year. 

The point is, people can spin circles around WiiU to put it on pedestal, but at the end of the day, noboday can't deny how it's shortcomings have only proven the consumers' lack of interest in it.