Why TP is a better launch title than Halo was:

I have played the game. It is basically OoT with a fresh coat of paint. Nothing new really gameplay wise and it is a story that has been told 1000 times over.eastside49er

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]I have played the game. It is basically OoT with a fresh coat of paint. Nothing new really gameplay wise and it is a story that has been told 1000 times over.redban2

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]I have played the game. It is basically OoT with a fresh coat of paint. Nothing new really gameplay wise and it is a story that has been told 1000 times over.redban2

Yes I have. Sorry I don't count the wiimote as a new gameplay experience unless it is for a game that really shows it off (Wiisports, Warioware Smooth Moves, etc.).

I hate to start something that will go on forever, but how exacly did Halo change gaming?

By being a decent xbox title?

Or launching live...haha thats right, no online MP.

Halo did so much for gaming, not just FPS. While TP is a very great title and the Wii would have deffiantly been swimming in a river of fecies without floaties if it hadn't come out when it did, CE is a better game by all aspects.THE_KR1PT

How did Halo do so much for gaming? I don't know about you but i remember playing FPS before Halo and to tell you the truth, i don't see a huge difference in FPS's. The only difference is that in one you shoot humans, the next you shoot aliens

I hate to start something that will go on forever, but how exacly did Halo change gaming?

By being a decent xbox title?

Or launching live...haha thats right, no online MP.

spikegriffin

I hate to start something that will go on forever, but how exacly did Halo change gaming?

By being a decent xbox title?

Or launching live...haha thats right, no online MP.

spikegriffin

Halo changed the way FPS were looked at for consoles. I'm not even a big Halo fan, but it truly brought MP to the forfront for action/FPS type games on consoles.

TP really didn't bring anything new to the forfront. It is the same story that has been told a thousand times and it pretty much has the same type Zelda gameplay of old games, with a much better look as far as the graphics go. People can scream Wiimote all they like, but to me the Wiimote didn't really add anything to the experience.

Sorry actually.  Must be feeling extra petulent tonight...this morning, whatever.

Halo is more than a decent game, its pretty good.  I played the first on PC and countless hours in the second.

But I don't know about changing how shooters are played on consoles.  That would probally go to goldeneye.  As people have pointed out, that was the first and proved shooters could work on consoles.  What Halo did was take elements from what came before it and perfected them in a console game.  Thats notworthy, but I don't think to the level you guys seem to be holding it.

Sorry actually.  Must be feeling extra petulent tonight...this morning, whatever.

Halo is more than a decent game, its pretty good.  I played the first on PC and countless hours in the second.

But I don't know about changing how shooters are played on consoles.  That would probally go to goldeneye.  As people have pointed out, that was the first and proved shooters could work on consoles.  What Halo did was take elements from what came before it and perfected them in a console game.  Thats notworthy, but I don't think to the level you guys seem to be holding it.

spikegriffin

GE started it. Halo finished it. Before Halo, most FPS/action games didn't have MP. They had  a SP and that was about it and if they did have MP, it was horrible. Halo's MP was better than GE's MP by leaps and bounds IMO.

Sorry actually.  Must be feeling extra petulent tonight...this morning, whatever.

Halo is more than a decent game, its pretty good.  I played the first on PC and countless hours in the second.

But I don't know about changing how shooters are played on consoles.  That would probally go to goldeneye.  As people have pointed out, that was the first and proved shooters could work on consoles.  What Halo did was take elements from what came before it and perfected them in a console game.  Thats notworthy, but I don't think to the level you guys seem to be holding it.

spikegriffin

Yea its Like OOT with a fresh code of Paint

When Halo came out it was something different

[QUOTE="spikegriffin"]

Sorry actually.  Must be feeling extra petulent tonight...this morning, whatever.

Halo is more than a decent game, its pretty good.  I played the first on PC and countless hours in the second.

But I don't know about changing how shooters are played on consoles.  That would probally go to goldeneye.  As people have pointed out, that was the first and proved shooters could work on consoles.  What Halo did was take elements from what came before it and perfected them in a console game.  Thats notworthy, but I don't think to the level you guys seem to be holding it.

eastside49er

GE started it. Halo finished it. Before Halo, most FPS/action games didn't have MP. They had  a SP and that was about it and if they did have MP, it was horrible. Halo's MP was better than GE's MP by leaps and bounds IMO.

I played both (didn't finish TP yet) and I would say both are excellent launch titles. But, if I could only play one, it'd be Halo because of multiplayer. It may not be LIVE, but you're bound to have guests sometime.

Anyways, both are great games, my favorite game at launch (window) is Mario 64 though.

[QUOTE="spikegriffin"]

Sorry actually.  Must be feeling extra petulent tonight...this morning, whatever.

Halo is more than a decent game, its pretty good.  I played the first on PC and countless hours in the second.

But I don't know about changing how shooters are played on consoles.  That would probally go to goldeneye.  As people have pointed out, that was the first and proved shooters could work on consoles.  What Halo did was take elements from what came before it and perfected them in a console game.  Thats notworthy, but I don't think to the level you guys seem to be holding it.

THE_KR1PT

Thats one thing that also sticks with me a bit though.  Its praised as being on par with PC games (and for its time and place it was close), but when it was released on PC is was improved all around.  Better graphics, online MP, more maps, new weapons, improved vechicals, ect.  But it scored lower.  Still very well I might add (think it was a 9.0), but a decent leap down nonetheless.  I think this is due to the fact that while PC Halo was better than its xbox counterpart, it had the 'been done' attitude in the PC market.

That said, I'll agree that it brough more console gamers into the fold of FPS than any game before it.  GE just proved it could work (but we had some pretty good MP parties back in the day).  But to me, proving something would work is more revolutionary then perfecting something.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"][QUOTE="spikegriffin"]

Sorry actually.  Must be feeling extra petulent tonight...this morning, whatever.

Halo is more than a decent game, its pretty good.  I played the first on PC and countless hours in the second.

But I don't know about changing how shooters are played on consoles.  That would probally go to goldeneye.  As people have pointed out, that was the first and proved shooters could work on consoles.  What Halo did was take elements from what came before it and perfected them in a console game.  Thats notworthy, but I don't think to the level you guys seem to be holding it.

Hoffgod

GE started it. Halo finished it. Before Halo, most FPS/action games didn't have MP. They had  a SP and that was about it and if they did have MP, it was horrible. Halo's MP was better than GE's MP by leaps and bounds IMO.

Actually you could play Halo on-line through that free service which I believe is still available. Can't remember what it was called?

Halo added many things. First of all the graphics were some of the best for its time. The AI was something I have never seen before on a console FPS (playing through Legendary was a treat). The MP was better than any before it.  It was just a great game IMO for its time. It mostly brought MP to the forfront for those type of games, especially on the console side.

Zelda TP was a better launch game because you didn't have to buy a new system to play it. :PTimstuff

TSHBO

Thats one thing that also sticks with me a bit though.  Its praised as being on par with PC games (and for its time and place it was close), but when it was released on PC is was improved all around.  Better graphics, online MP, more maps, new weapons, improved vechicals, ect.  But it scored lower.  Still very well I might add (think it was a 9.0), but a decent leap down nonetheless.  I think this is due to the fact that while PC Halo was better than its xbox counterpart, it had the 'been done' attitude in the PC market.

That said, I'll agree that it brough more console gamers into the fold of FPS than any game before it.  GE just proved it could work (but we had some pretty good MP parties back in the day).  But to me, proving something would work is more revolutionary then perfecting something.spikegriffin

OK, first things first. CE was infenitly better on the Xbox then its PC counterpart. I've played both and I can say that without even the slightest hesitation. The PC version didn't look as good as the Xbox version for one, it didn't handle as well for another. Yes there was one new weapon and a handfull of new maps, but CE wasn't made by its multiplayer and thusly thats one reason why the PC version isn't anywere as good as the Xbox version.

Actually you could play Halo on-line through that free service which I believe is still available. Can't remember what it was called?

Halo added many things. First of all the graphics were some of the best for its time. The AI was something I have never seen before on a console FPS (playing through Legendary was a treat). The MP was better than any before it.  It was just a great game IMO for its time. It mostly brought MP to the forfront for those type of games, especially on the console side.

eastside49er

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Zelda TP was a better launch game because you didn't have to buy a new system to play it. :Peastside49er

TSHBO

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="eastside49er"][QUOTE="spikegriffin"]

Sorry actually.  Must be feeling extra petulent tonight...this morning, whatever.

Halo is more than a decent game, its pretty good.  I played the first on PC and countless hours in the second.

But I don't know about changing how shooters are played on consoles.  That would probally go to goldeneye.  As people have pointed out, that was the first and proved shooters could work on consoles.  What Halo did was take elements from what came before it and perfected them in a console game.  Thats notworthy, but I don't think to the level you guys seem to be holding it.

eastside49er

GE started it. Halo finished it. Before Halo, most FPS/action games didn't have MP. They had  a SP and that was about it and if they did have MP, it was horrible. Halo's MP was better than GE's MP by leaps and bounds IMO.

Actually you could play Halo on-line through that free service which I believe is still available. Can't remember what it was called?

Halo added many things. First of all the graphics were some of the best for its time. The AI was something I have never seen before on a console FPS (playing through Legendary was a treat). The MP was better than any before it.  It was just a great game IMO for its time. It mostly brought MP to the forfront for those type of games, especially on the console side.

[QUOTE="spikegriffin"]Thats one thing that also sticks with me a bit though.  Its praised as being on par with PC games (and for its time and place it was close), but when it was released on PC is was improved all around.  Better graphics, online MP, more maps, new weapons, improved vechicals, ect.  But it scored lower.  Still very well I might add (think it was a 9.0), but a decent leap down nonetheless.  I think this is due to the fact that while PC Halo was better than its xbox counterpart, it had the 'been done' attitude in the PC market.

That said, I'll agree that it brough more console gamers into the fold of FPS than any game before it.  GE just proved it could work (but we had some pretty good MP parties back in the day).  But to me, proving something would work is more revolutionary then perfecting something.THE_KR1PT

OK, first things first. CE was infenitly better on the Xbox then its PC counterpart. I've played both and I can say that without even the slightest hesitation. The PC version didn't look as good as the Xbox version for one, it didn't handle as well for another. Yes there was one new weapon and a handfull of new maps, but CE wasn't made by its multiplayer and thusly thats one reason why the PC version isn't anywere as good as the Xbox version.

I really have to disagree with you on that one.  Running Halo on my computer (this one actually) produced much better graphics.  And I don't see how it dosn't handle well.  I've never had dropped frame rates and if your referring to controls, KB+M is FAR better than controller.  I've loved the PC battles far more than console ones and the fact that the Halo demo still has a huge playerbase goes to show something about its staying power.

You could play Halo over XboxConnect, but I don't think that counts.

Keep in mind, im not actually arguing about the topic, or even that Halo is a bad game, just the point that it revolutionized FPS console gaming.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

Actually you could play Halo on-line through that free service which I believe is still available. Can't remember what it was called?

Halo added many things. First of all the graphics were some of the best for its time. The AI was something I have never seen before on a console FPS (playing through Legendary was a treat). The MP was better than any before it.  It was just a great game IMO for its time. It mostly brought MP to the forfront for those type of games, especially on the console side.

Hoffgod

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

Actually you could play Halo on-line through that free service which I believe is still available. Can't remember what it was called?

Halo added many things. First of all the graphics were some of the best for its time. The AI was something I have never seen before on a console FPS (playing through Legendary was a treat). The MP was better than any before it.  It was just a great game IMO for its time. It mostly brought MP to the forfront for those type of games, especially on the console side.

Hoffgod

You could play XBOX games on-line with out XBL through a free service. It was program you downloaded on to your PC and you needed a router to play. It was as simple as that. I'm not sure if that program is still available since I have been using XBL since 2002.

I loved Halo for what it was, but it was nothing really new to me since I had played many PC FPS before it. As far as a console FPS goes, Halo was far and away the best for its time.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Zelda TP was a better launch game because you didn't have to buy a new system to play it. :PHoffgod

TSHBO

The fact it isn't exclusive could be the answer, but for the most part I was joking. ;)

I have played the game. It is basically OoT with a fresh coat of paint. Nothing new really gameplay wise and it is a story that has been told 1000 times over.eastside49er

TP is a game that is great because of it's gameplay and challenge, no, it doesn't beat GoW in graphics but get 10 minutes into the game and you'll forget about the graphics. Halo however, was simply a graphical powerhouse, and so is GoW, yeah they're great but TP will stand way longer over time. I want an unbiased person to play Halo 1 and then play OoT and you'll see, halo hasn't aged as well as Zelda has.Bisset

[QUOTE="Bisset"]TP is a game that is great because of it's gameplay and challenge, no, it doesn't beat GoW in graphics but get 10 minutes into the game and you'll forget about the graphics. Halo however, was simply a graphical powerhouse, and so is GoW, yeah they're great but TP will stand way longer over time. I want an unbiased person to play Halo 1 and then play OoT and you'll see, halo hasn't aged as well as Zelda has.pins_basic

TP is a game that is great because of it's gameplay and challenge, no, it doesn't beat GoW in graphics but get 10 minutes into the game and you'll forget about the graphics. Halo however, was simply a graphical powerhouse, and so is GoW, yeah they're great but TP will stand way longer over time. I want an unbiased person to play Halo 1 and then play OoT and you'll see, halo hasn't aged as well as Zelda has.Bisset

Though OoT is an excellent game in it's own right, Halo: Combat Evolved will stand out as one of the greatest games of all time. It maybe didn't add anything new to the genre of FPS, but there was just a feeling about it that makes me giddy to play it all over again. On Legendary. With a friend.BK-Sleeper

Ownage!

If Twilight Princess for the is as big as many Nintendo fanboys make it to be, why don't we see more games like it? It does not seem to have a winning formula.vugundam

Maybe the formula isn't so easy to mimic?