Why PC gaming is at the forefront of the industry

Sweet sourceless claim that's easily refuted by the NPC counts in the Total War series.

Try again with a source, perhaps?

My thread got locked :(

C'mon.. The OP, the pictures. You gotta admit... I did all of dat. C'mon. S'all good. freedom sits in peace.

"Console timed exclusive", in other words, it's not an exclusive.

Cool. Best on PC, driving forward great gfx and hardware.

@Cranler said:

How about a little comparison

PC exclusive open world zombie game

Console timed exclusive open world zombie game

You're comparing Rust, an Early Access Alpha, to DR3?

How can you honestly expect anyone to take you seriously

Comparing open world game to a strategy game?

Show me an open world game with more npc's.

It took new consoles for a game like that to be made.

@Dasein808: @RoboCopISJesus: Just ignore Cranler. He's just going to continue to move goal posts, side step, argue in circles, and other such bullshit. There's no winning, and it's not like he's entertaining at all. Just ignore him

I'm applying your logic of comparing an indie to a AAA title from an established major studio with a significantly greater budget.

How dare you imply that it's a distorted comparison?! You have no honour, sir.

Strategy games are also "open world" because there's no one "right" way to go about achieving your objectives. Just as it is in a sandbox game.

I can understand that peasants like yourself may struggle with this concept given that the strategy genre on consoles is under represented and shallow as a puddle of horse piss.

Now, why don't you go back and answer my original question regarding your definition and consoles' contributions to PCs?

@lostrib said:

@Cranler said:

How about a little comparison

PC exclusive open world zombie game

Console timed exclusive open world zombie game

You're comparing Rust, an Early Access Alpha, to DR3?

How can you honestly expect anyone to take you seriously

Have they confirmed that the graphics will be improved?

Don't care

Why don't you compare this to the Rust Pre-Alpha version.

There's been no detail that the graphics will be better on PS4. But, do you honestly think that since it wasn't said that it won't be better on launch?

@bldgirsh: don't feed him

@lostrib: I've limited myself to only 1 reply to Cranler a week.

@Dasein808 said:

@Cranler said:

Those pics perfectly illustrates why I see consoles being the driving force that's pushing games to new levels. Highest npc counts ever in an open wolrd game is a technical innovation in my book.

Sweet sourceless claim that's easily refuted by the NPC counts in the Total War series.

Try again with a source, perhaps?

Obliterated.

PC gaming is so huge yet a console with a tiny playerbase gets games with such huge budgets.

Sorry but a bunch of cannon fodder ai in barren lands cannot be compared to Dead Rising 3.

Why do you call me a peasant? Are'nt you another consolite like Robo?

LOL! Do I need to post Infamous shots to compare with any pc exclusive open world game?

All that's been confirmed is that the game may never be finished.

If everyone just ignores Cranler, maybe he will go away.

You still haven't answered my original question.

So I figure, I'll ignore the rest of your stupidity.

You are still a peasant because it pains you to admit that PCs are at the forefront of the gaming industry and the objectively superior gaming platform.

You can't deny that multiplats are pushing hardware more than pc exclusives.

Have we every even gotten any proof that you're a pc gamer?

Yes, I can.

I also have nothing to prove to a troll who dodges questions.

Change your avatar to this already:

I'll believe that when the industry stops catering to consoles

@Dasein808 said:

@Cranler said:

You can't deny that multiplats are pushing hardware more than pc exclusives.

Have we every even gotten any proof that you're a pc gamer?

Yes, I can.

I also have nothing to prove to a troll who dodges questions.

Change your avatar to this already:

All the most demanding games this year are multiplats.

What question did I dodge?

don't care

This

All the gfx hardware that consoles uses (amd, nvidia) spawns from PC. PS4 and XBONE currently use watered down PC parts. PC drives the majority of gaming hardware sales for companies like nvidia and amd that make those watered down PC parts. PC always has the most demanding games, whether they be multiplat or exclusive. I recall many PC version of multiplats having PC specific effects/physix promoting new GFX cards, which have now found their way into next gen games and consoles.

I can 100% guarantee you later this gen PC will get impressive new gfx hardware and effects, and the best gfx benchmarks which drive most gfx hardware sales, and the best new gfx engines.....which will all find its way into next gen (xbox1080, PS5) consoles. Like the last 3 gens, PC drives tech. You guys take the back seat.

Again, consoles will be behind struggling at 30-60 fps subHD while making tight corridor games while PC makes the innovations in hardware/software technology. Unless you're talking about KINECT AND MOVE LOL.

You mean by making over 90% of multiplats on PC, and 90% of those being better on PC?.....Because I'm certain WiiU is missing out on far more. Even Xbone and PS4 are missing out on many multiplats PC is getting from each of those.

Or did you mean making more high rated games for PC? Or was it having more Developers than all 3 consoles combined?

Or did you mean that PC has both more hardware/software sales than all consoles combined?

Gimme dat citation.

And if pc gaming were dead then consoles would use proprietary hardware.

Why are all of this years most demanding games multiplats?

Why do all of the most popular pc games have outdated graphics?

But at the moment PC drives the hardware. Thats a fact. The consoles use old PC parts that are already outdated. Those companies making such tech get a majority of their sales from PC GAMING. Next gen they will continue to use PC parts made for PC GAMING from companies who got most of their cash from PC GAMING. PC drives this tech. Your hypothetical situations do not change reality.

Good day sir.

Without WoW, Dota 2, LoL, Diablo 3, TF2, Minecraft, CS, PC would be just a fragment of the thing it is now. Incidentally, none of them are really demanding games. Rarely does a game that pushes pc hardware actually succeed.

It's the console generation change that really pushes graphics industry wide, look at current-gen only multiplats and compare them to last gen multiplats that came out a year ago. Huge change, thanks to devs switching to next gen consoles. Obviously devs are catering a lot to consoles and weaker PCs, where a huge chunk of revenue is. If they didn't, and if there was money in eye-candy demanding PC games, every PC game would have crysis 3 graphics and the console versions would be severely downgraded.

Anyways, certainly there's room for both PC and consoles to happily co-exist, I don't understand the hate. Imagine gaming without all the great and creative nintendo games, sony's diverse titles and long lasting franchises and without huge PC contributions to multiplayer gaming. If anything, it's the pc and console industries that are driving each other and would probably not be nearly as huge if either of them was missing.

Better on pc if they have better hardware. PC gamers with better hardware than PS 4 are an extreme minority.

More and more of those niche type games will be making their way to consoles so kiss that goodbye soon.

LOL! China's console ban is the only reason pc software revenue is higher, maybe hardware as well.

But you didn't refute any of those points. You changed subjects, made irrelevant comparisons, and gave me opinions....w/out even citing any of it.

I'm simply going to delete the part of your post that aren't addressing what I said.

1. Destiny has the highest preorders of any new ip. Analysts predict 10-15 million sales of Destiny.

2. Majority of steam users have a gpu below the PS 4's capability and you also need to prove that all pc gamers are on steam

3. LoL's req's are far below any multiplat of the last 5 years. Dota's min req is 8600 gt.

4. Pc gamings biggest region is Asia of which China is the dominant country

@Cranler: Prove that 10million PC gamers don't have a PC as powerful or more powerful than a PS4

That's because until recently, consoles were banned in China. Look at the population of China...of course PC gaming is huge there, it's all they have. Your point proves nothing.

Prove that 10 million do.

Wow dude. I've brought up China's banning of consoles numerous times in this thread. Why else do you think the subject of china came up? What do you think would happen in the US if consoles were banned? PC gaming revenue would skyrocket. China has 4x the population of the US.

@Dasein808 said:

@Cranler said:

Those pics perfectly illustrates why I see consoles being the driving force that's pushing games to new levels. Highest npc counts ever in an open wolrd game is a technical innovation in my book.

Sweet sourceless claim that's easily refuted by the NPC counts in the Total War series.

Try again with a source, perhaps?

Not an open world game. A barren wasteland with cannon fodder ai.

@Cranler said:

@Dasein808 said:

@Cranler said:

Those pics perfectly illustrates why I see consoles being the driving force that's pushing games to new levels. Highest npc counts ever in an open wolrd game is a technical innovation in my book.

Sweet sourceless claim that's easily refuted by the NPC counts in the Total War series.

Try again with a source, perhaps?

Not an open world game. A barren wasteland with cannon fodder ai.

/yawn

//A geographically correct setting. Want some Shogun 2 cherry blossom shots or mountainous fortress battle shots?

Cranler has infected the topic, pack it up people it's over

As usual you can't refute my posts so you resort to this dribble. I made this thread a little more fair and balanced.

You are the one who made the claim that not as many PC gamers have a rig as good as PS4. There are 10million PS4's sold.

It is your job to prove it.

1. 6 systems vs. 1 system = very balanced lol

2. Your opinions don't have to be refuted. You don't cite anything and don't refute anyone, you go offtopic and in circles.

I really am quite curious as to why having an open world with less ai is more impressive than having many thousands of ai on screen at once? You seem to be arbitrarily defining what's impressive and what's not.

I haven't played DR3, but I'm going to assume its ai is essentially the same or similar to the other games in the series, meaning that its ai is literally the definition of cannon fodder ai. For the most part they just follow you or let you kill them.

This is how a typical argument with Cranler goes:

Gamespotter: The PC has more exclusives than Xbox One.

Cranler: Xbox One isn't a system, all consoles combined are a system.

Gamespotter: OK, that's wrong and no one agrees with you, but fine. PC still has more exclusives than all consoles combined.

Cranler: Madden sells millions of copies every year though, it's worth 50 indie PC games! All those games you listed don't even count.

Gamespotter: What? We're not even talking about Madden...we're talking about number of exclusives.

Cranler: Doesn't matter, when the 360 launched it was more powerful than any PC and you needed to spend $2000 to even match it. Consoles are at the forefront of the industry, this proves it.

Gamespotter: Uhh...we're in 2014, not 2006. What are you even talking about?

Cranler: Console has more characters on scree in open world games than any PC game!

Gamespotter: We're talking about exclusives...what? I don't even...

Cranler: Prove me wrong. You can't.

Gamespotter: ...

Cranler: Look at this random screenshot of a game I found on the web that I've never even heard of before. This proves that most PC gamers play old games that look like they're from 1999!

Gamespotter: *Gets out revolver, cocks it, points it at self*

Of course it will always be, it's a open platform in which the developer doesn't need to ask for permission from the console maker (and pay them) to get their game on there.. Furthermore the indie department has exploded bringing a mini "late 90s, early 2000" era gaming back (at least to me it feels like that way) in reviving genres and game styles that were scarce to out right dead. Big devs and publishers have become a cancer to the industry because they have gone for the lowest common denominator in trying to grab up as many people as possible.. This has led to turning niche games with loyal fanbases into mainstream sh!t with constant recycling (or to outright abandoning the entire series, RIP Megaman).. These big publishers and devs are never satisfied propping up fvcking unrealistic and ridiculous expectations.. A great example of this was Cryteks "disappointment" in XboxOne sales in which they believe their game did not sell well because of it.. Looking past the fact they made a crap game, the XboxOne has sold 60% MORE units than the 360 did in the same amount of time of it's release.. What the fvck kind of industry has expectations like that? These guys are riding a gravy train that is going to come to a crash sooner when people stop buying their sh!tty AAA games.. I use to be excited about these games years back.. But these games with their massive budgets are in fact taking the smallest risks and are actually simplifying core aspects of the game to the point the predecessor is a BETTER GAME.. EA is a poster child of this to what they did with Sim City.. And what they are going to do with games like The Sims 4 in which they are taking out things that the predecessors had..

Wow, for a second there it is almost like you became him *applause* ;)

Nope that's not what I said. I said most pc gamers rigs are way behind consoles capabilities. Go check steam. At least 70% of the gpus are weaker than ps 4's.

So are you saying that if Nintendo and MS dropped out that all the Nintendo and MS customers would either quit gaming or switch to pc instead of going to Playstation?

Here are the reqs for pc's most popular shooter

Here are the reqs for pc's most popular Moba

• 2 GHz processor
• 1 GB RAM (Windows Vista and 7 users will want 2 GB of RAM or more)
• 8 GB available hard disk space
• Shader version 2.0 capable video card
• Support for DirectX v9.0c or better
• Windows XP (Service Pack 2 or 3 ONLY), Windows Vista, or Windows 7

Here are the reqs for pc's most popular mmo

Oh my god...Cranler is now fixated on Crossfire, the Free to Play Korean shooter that is played in internet cafes, and calling it "The PC's most popular shooter"...ignoring the fact that NO ONE in the western world plays it AT ALL, and NO ONE here has ever even heard of it. The only reason Cranler even knows it exists is because he found it on a random Google search when trying in vain to find something to refute another poster.

Master level fail right there. Classic fucking Cranler.

@Dasein808 said:

@Cranler said:

@Dasein808 said:

@Cranler said:

Those pics perfectly illustrates why I see consoles being the driving force that's pushing games to new levels. Highest npc counts ever in an open wolrd game is a technical innovation in my book.

Sweet sourceless claim that's easily refuted by the NPC counts in the Total War series.

Try again with a source, perhaps?

Not an open world game. A barren wasteland with cannon fodder ai.

/yawn

//A geographically correct setting. Want some Shogun 2 cherry blossom shots or mountainous fortress battle shots?

Not open world and it's all carbon copy npc's. Try running that many npc's in GTA.

"You'll never see the same zombie twice," boasts Capcom producer Mike Jones. "It's all procedurally generated: hair styles, clothing, colors, textures. And the gore is too: missing jaws, missing eyes... it's all totally dynamic.

Putting words in my mouth as usual.

I said pc isnt a system and that it's a system type. Xbox one is a system, Dell Inspiron is a system.

Find where i said indie don't count or madden is worth 50 indies. But don't tell me that a 2 hour platformer holds the same weight in a comparison as a sports game like Madden.

All I did was make a comment comparing how powerful the 360 was for it's time and how relatively weak the new consoles are in comparison and dasein's jimmies got rustled as a result. It's dasein fault that that thread got derailed.

Crossfire has 5 million concurrent players and makes more money than League of Legends. That's more players than every steam game put together.

Again...this speaks volumes of the type of PC gamers have in general.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

About 50% of the ppl on Steam don't have real gaming PCs and probably won't be able to play TW3 in any sort of respect as all those pics ppl are showing.

48+% of ppl don't even own a quad CPU.

And like 12% are using the Intel GPU....the most commone "GPU" on Steam.....Intel HD Graphics 4000.

You realize this means there are twice as many people with better PC's than PS4's sold (24million vs 10million!)...... And thats not even counting people who don't use Steam.

Looks like PC has FAR more people playing higher settings than PS4 owners. =)

And it's just the start of the gen, imagine as people start upgrading or dirt-drit-cheap GPU's that easily beat out ps4 come out!