Why PC gaming is at the forefront of the industry

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#54 RoboCopISJesus
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@scottpsfan14 said:

Actually, most games PC gamers brag about are console ports. Namely 360 ports. Without consoles, I assure you, the gaming industry would be more worse off than if PC gaming declined. FACT.

1. They aren't always ports, most of the time they are built concurrently.

2. You have no proof of the underlined statement. Do not call it a fact. I do have proof countering it though, look up my link in this very thread showing PC having higher hardware/software sales than all 6 consoles combined.

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#55  Edited By naz99
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@lordlors said:

@Heirren said:

This is the dumbest claim I've heard in a long while. It is consoles. It will continue to be consoles until the mindless fanboys put their money where their mouth is and stop supporting all the bullshit practices that are going on. PC was at the forefront for awhile, but not at the moment. There was a period where the PC had a Neo Geo like status.

Those three things I listed started on PC and catapulted the industry to what it is today. Imagine if there were no game engines like Source, Unreal, Unity,etc., no mods and map editors, and no Steam.

You missed out the whale in the room...

The ENTIRE INTERNET FOR CRYING OUT LOUD just a little unimportant thing like the whole of the internet started on the PC but i guess that is not that important. ;)

where would we be without that and what would the internet be now if it was born on a closed platform.

Pc will always be at the forefront because it is where most of the innovation is born and tested out,it may not be front and center media wise but that does not count for everything.

Also japan is still one of the biggest gaming markets in the world despite the lack of PC gaming over there,nothing irrelevant about that ,at most i would say they are just having a lull in their output of games that make it over here to the west,saying that though the PC is getting more and more japanese games than ever before thankfully so we are better off than usual.

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@naz99 said:

@lordlors said:

@Heirren said:

This is the dumbest claim I've heard in a long while. It is consoles. It will continue to be consoles until the mindless fanboys put their money where their mouth is and stop supporting all the bullshit practices that are going on. PC was at the forefront for awhile, but not at the moment. There was a period where the PC had a Neo Geo like status.

Those three things I listed started on PC and catapulted the industry to what it is today. Imagine if there were no game engines like Source, Unreal, Unity,etc., no mods and map editors, and no Steam.

You missed out the whale in the room...

The ENTIRE INTERNET FOR CRYING OUT LOUD just a little unimportant thing like the whole of the internet started on the PC but i guess that is not that important. ;)

where would we be without that and what would the internet be now if it was born on a closed platform.

Pc will always be at the forefront because it is where most of the innovation is born and tested out,it may not be front and center media wise but that does not count for everything.

Also japan is still one of the biggest gaming markets in the world despite the lack of PC gaming over there,nothing irrelevant about that ,at most i would say they are just having a lull in their output of games that make it over here to the west,saying that though the PC is getting more and more japanese games than ever before thankfully so we are better off than usual.

I thought the internet was already a given so I left it out. I mean it's obvious, internet is the most important thing that started on PC. Anyway, the Japanese gaming market is taken over by mobile games and is still dominated by Japanese games mostly ones that aren't translated. So even if it's big, it is isn't that relevant anymore in the video game industry. I mean China also has a very big gaming market but it's filled with MMOs. When it comes to relevancy, it isn't just about how big a market is but also about the technological advancements and innovations being made.

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@amazonangry said:

actually, PC gaming is at the ass end of the industry. Due to lack of quality games.it's a common mistake made by some gamers to think that it's in the forefront.

This is just sad.

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#58 lordlors
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@AdrianWerner said:

People understimate how vibrant pc gaming developers community is in Japan. Their biggest problem is lack of DD popularity, but even that is changing and more and more games are getting english releases.

Doesn't change the fact that they are terribly behind and that change you speak of is very very slow especially for a supposedly technologically advanced country.

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@RoboCopISJesus said:

@amazonangry said:

PC gaming is at the ass end of the industry.

Stop.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://systemwarsmagazine.com/gamespot-reviews-spreadsheet/

Problem though is that pc is completely oversaturated with games so most pc games don't sell very well. At least most pc sales are digital which results in more profit per sale. Still though, all the big publishers decisions revolve around consoles and the only big pc exclusive on the horizon is crowd funded.

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So much derp in thread...must hold back..

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Aren't the Japanese really into arcades still?

I dont' think they care if they do big in PC...and if I'm right, thats a big reason along with there being no japanese games for it...why the PS4 is selling poorly there.

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

Aren't the Japanese really into arcades still?

I dont' think they care if they do big in PC...and if I'm right, thats a big reason along with there being no japanese games for it...why the PS4 is selling poorly there.

Mobile gaming is the market in Japan. There have been more 3DS's sold there than PS3, PS4, and Xbox 360 combined.

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@Cranler: So crowd funding is a bad thing now... Ok then...

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#64 Mr_Huggles_dog
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@mikhail said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

Aren't the Japanese really into arcades still?

I dont' think they care if they do big in PC...and if I'm right, thats a big reason along with there being no japanese games for it...why the PS4 is selling poorly there.

Mobile gaming is the market in Japan. There have been more 3DS's sold there than PS3, PS4, and Xbox 360 combined.

Are you schizophrenic?

One thread you're personally attacking my girlfriend....and in the next you're talking to me like a normal adult.

Or is it just when I say negative things about your life....I mean PC.

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#65 RoboCopISJesus
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@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@amazonangry said:

PC gaming is at the ass end of the industry.

Stop.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://systemwarsmagazine.com/gamespot-reviews-spreadsheet/

The only big pc exclusive on the horizon is crowd funded.

The next Civilization, and Warlords of Dreanor aren't big pc exclusives?

lol?

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#66  Edited By Cranler
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@roler42 said:

@Cranler: So crowd funding is a bad thing now... Ok then...

The bad thing is the fact that the only pc exclusive since Crysis that pushes graphics had to be crowdfunded.

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@amazonangry said:

PC gaming is at the ass end of the industry.

Stop.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://systemwarsmagazine.com/gamespot-reviews-spreadsheet/

The only big pc exclusive on the horizon is crowd funded.

The next Civilization, and Warlords of Dreanor aren't big pc exclusives?

lol?

Did you know that GTA V outsold the entire Civilization franchise in 2 weeks. And lol, another WoW expansion? These two are all you've got?

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#67  Edited By RoboCopISJesus
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@Cranler said:
@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@amazonangry said:

PC gaming is at the ass end of the industry.

Stop.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://systemwarsmagazine.com/gamespot-reviews-spreadsheet/

The only big pc exclusive on the horizon is crowd funded.

The next Civilization, and Warlords of Dreanor aren't big pc exclusives?

lol?

Did you know that GTA V outsold the entire Civilization franchise in 2 weeks. And lol, another WoW expansion? These two are all you've got?

You said there were no big PC exclusives on the horizon that are "not crowd funded"..., I gave you two. You were proven wrong.

You were factually refuted and moved the goal post further.....I'm not sure what this has to do with GTAV or "LOL WOW". Accept that you lost the argument please.

Also, your original points did not refute my sales data one bit. So next time you go off-topic in this quote chain I'm simply going to link them again.

P.S. You don't want people thinking you are a troll, then why are you always defending well known/established trolls in almost every PC thread...and repeating their main-points in longer sentences? Please look at amazonangry's original post in this quote chain.....

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#68  Edited By Cranler
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@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:
@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@amazonangry said:

PC gaming is at the ass end of the industry.

Stop.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://systemwarsmagazine.com/gamespot-reviews-spreadsheet/

The only big pc exclusive on the horizon is crowd funded.

The next Civilization, and Warlords of Dreanor aren't big pc exclusives?

lol?

Did you know that GTA V outsold the entire Civilization franchise in 2 weeks. And lol, another WoW expansion? These two are all you've got?

You were factually refuted.....I'm not sure what this has to do with GTA or "LOL WOW".

How was I refuted? Maybe your idea of big differs from mine. To me, big is a game that can sell 5 million copies in the first few weeks. Destiny preorders alone will probably beat Civ's first month of sales.

Are you sure this is a big new pc exclusive? It looks like a game from 2001.

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#69  Edited By RoboCopISJesus
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@Cranler said:

How was I refuted?

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@amazonangry said:

PC gaming is at the ass end of the industry.

Stop.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://systemwarsmagazine.com/gamespot-reviews-spreadsheet/

The only big pc exclusive on the horizon is crowd funded.

The next Civilization and Warlords of Dreanor.

1. Please just give up. Both are big exclusives and not crowd funded and "on the horizon". Big budgets, big sales. You lost, stop digging deeper.

2. Explain how I did not refute your friend AmazonAngry's post. Provide citation as I did, or be met with "owned" gifs.

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#70 Cranler
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@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:

How was I refuted?

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@amazonangry said:

PC gaming is at the ass end of the industry.

Stop.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://systemwarsmagazine.com/gamespot-reviews-spreadsheet/

The only big pc exclusive on the horizon is crowd funded.

The next Civilization and Warlords of Dreanor.

Please just give up. Both are big exclusives and not crowd funded and "on the horizon". Big budgets, big sales. You lost, stop digging deeper.

What's big to you may seem small to me. Please link the budget info on those two titles so we can compare it to Destiny.

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#71  Edited By RoboCopISJesus
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They are both big games. You never said anything about Destiny, which isn't even exclusive. Stop lying please.

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@amazonangry said:

PC gaming is at the ass end of the industry.

Stop.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://systemwarsmagazine.com/gamespot-reviews-spreadsheet/

The only big pc exclusive on the horizon is crowd funded.

The next Civilization and Warlords of Dreanor.

1. You were easily refuted. Stop bringing other games into this and/or moving goal posts. Accept you lost the arguement, and then i'll be willing to discuss the multiplat Destiny and its budget in relation with WoD and Civ.

2. Stop changing subjects. How did I not refute AmazonAngry. Provide citation.

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@RoboCopISJesus said:

They are both big games. You never said anything about Destiny. Stop lying please.

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@amazonangry said:

PC gaming is at the ass end of the industry.

Stop.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://systemwarsmagazine.com/gamespot-reviews-spreadsheet/

The only big pc exclusive on the horizon is crowd funded.

The next Civilization and Warlords of Dreanor.

1. You were easily refuted. Stop bringing other games into this and/or moving goal posts.

2. Stop changing subjects. How did I not refute AmazonAngry. Provide citation.

If Civ Beyond Earth's budget and sales are dwarfed by Destiny then is it really big?

How am I lying? I brought up Destiny in my last 2 posts. Destiny is rumoured to have one of the biggest budgets to date. It also has the record for most preordered new ip.

You say those 2 pc exclusives are big because of the budgets? Well then, lets see the budget info.

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#73  Edited By KungfuKitten
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Isn't half the Destiny budget for the marketing department? Regardless, the game doesn't look more expensive than the usual AAA game. I don't know if the inability to spend money wisely works in anyone's favor.

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#74  Edited By RoboCopISJesus
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@Cranler said:

If Civ Beyond Earth's budget and sales are dwarfed by Destiny then is it really big?

How am I lying? I brought up Destiny in my last 2 posts. Destiny is rumoured to have one of the biggest budgets to date. It also has the record for most preordered new ip.

You say those 2 pc exclusives are big because of the budgets? Well then, lets see the budget info.

Stop digging your own grave deeper. You stated that PC has no upcoming exclusive + big games + that are not crowd funded. (3 arbitrary restrictions, lolz)

I listed 2 off the top of my head. They met your rules.

1. You were easily refuted. Stop bringing other games into this and/or moving goal posts.

2. Stop changing subjects. How did I not refute AmazonAngry. Provide citation.

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@amazonangry said:

PC gaming is at the ass end of the industry.

Stop.

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://systemwarsmagazine.com/gamespot-reviews-spreadsheet/

Problem though is that pc is completely oversaturated with games so most pc games don't sell very well. At least most pc sales are digital which results in more profit per sale. Still though, all the big publishers decisions revolve around consoles and the only big pc exclusive on the horizon is crowd funded. Does not refute my links, and there is no citation.

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#75 Cranler
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@KungfuKitten said:

Isn't half the Destiny budget for the marketing department?

Another good question is why does a console exclusive like Destiny have much better graphics than these 2 pc exclusives Robotrip brings up?

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#76  Edited By RoboCopISJesus
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@Cranler said:

@KungfuKitten said:

Isn't half the Destiny budget for the marketing department?

Another good question is why does a console exclusive like Destiny have much better graphics than these 2 pc exclusives Robotrip brings up?

Why does Crysis 3 PC, Star Citizen, Ryse PC, Witcher 3 PC, DA3 PC, Planetside 2, Dreadnaught, Elite, FortNight, The Forest, Ethan Carter PC, TR PC, Farcry4 PC, and UT have better gfx than Destiny....and most of them better than anything on consoles period?

Holy subject change batman....

You are a troll.

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@Cranler said:

@KungfuKitten said:

Isn't half the Destiny budget for the marketing department?

Another good question is why does a console exclusive like Destiny have much better graphics than these 2 pc exclusives Robotrip brings up?

Because one is an expansion to a 10 year old MMO game and the other is a TBS game? I don't think they have the same target audience. There are plenty of PC games that look better than those two...

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#78  Edited By RoboCopISJesus
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Constant subject changes and moving goal posts when proven wrong.

Thats' all he does. Zzzzzz.

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#79  Edited By Cranler
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@RoboCopISJesus said:

Constant subject changes and moving goal posts when proven wrong.

Thats' all he does. Zzzzzz.

How did I move the goal posts? Destiny and Star Citizen are big, you have made claims of those 2 pc exclusives being big but have yet to back up those claims.

@KungfuKitten said:

@Cranler said:

@KungfuKitten said:

Isn't half the Destiny budget for the marketing department?

Another good question is why does a console exclusive like Destiny have much better graphics than these 2 pc exclusives Robotrip brings up?

Because one is an expansion to a 10 year old MMO game and the other is a TBS game? I don't think they have the same target audience. There are plenty of PC games that look better than those two...

Looks like all the upcoming high requirement pc games are multiplats. Consoles aren't holding pc gaming back, consoles are actually pushing the pc forward.

If pc gaming is at the forefront then why is one of it's so called big exclusives an expansion to a 10 year old game?

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#80  Edited By RoboCopISJesus
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@Cranler said:

If pc gaming is at the forefront then why is one of it's so called big exclusives an expansion to a 10 year old game?

It's not an "if".

PC IS at the forefront of the industry:

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://static4.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/95/950780/2622420-5593276889-24509.jpg

It's your job to provide data with citation that disprove these links.

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#81  Edited By HalcyonScarlet
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I think one reason why consoles might get priority is because publishers and developers know they can milk the living **** out of people on Sony and MS consoles.

From day one a console release is a cash cow from pre-release special editions with skin dlcs (for single player and multiplayer content), then there's day one DLC and a continued stream of DLC and before you know it, you've invested £80 if not more on a game.

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#82  Edited By Cranler
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@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:

If pc gaming is at the forefront then why is one of it's so called big exclusives an expansion to a 10 year old game?

It's not an "if".

PC IS at the forefront of the industry:

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://static4.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/95/950780/2622420-5593276889-24509.jpg

It's your job to provide data with citation that disprove these links.

1 and 2: Because pc's are more expensive. Then again though if they're spending so much on pc hardware then why do all the most popular pc games have outdated graphics? Why did pc gaming have to wait for the new consoles for graphics to finally move forward?

3. Because it's cheaper to make pc games.

4. Budget games are rated differently than big budget titles.

PC is at the forefront of budget gaming while console is at the forefront of cutting edge, big budget gaming

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@HalcyonScarlet said:

I think one reason why consoles might get priority is because publishers and developers know they can milk the living **** out of people on Sony and MS consoles.

From day one a console release is a cash cow from pre-release special editions with skin dlcs (for single player and multiplayer content), then there's day one DLC and a continued stream of DLC and before you know it, you've invested £80 if not more on a game.

Consoles get priority because pc gaming is oversaturated with indie titles and f2p so the average game sells less on pc. Diablo 3 is the fastest selling pc game of all time yet GTA V sales destroy Diablo 3's pc sales.

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@Cranler said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

I think one reason why consoles might get priority is because publishers and developers know they can milk the living **** out of people on Sony and MS consoles.

From day one a console release is a cash cow from pre-release special editions with skin dlcs (for single player and multiplayer content), then there's day one DLC and a continued stream of DLC and before you know it, you've invested £80 if not more on a game.

Consoles get priority because pc gaming is oversaturated with indie titles and f2p so the average game sells less on pc. Diablo 3 is the fastest selling pc game of all time yet GTA V sales destroy Diablo 3's pc sales.

Uh huh, sure buddy.

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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@Cranler said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

I think one reason why consoles might get priority is because publishers and developers know they can milk the living **** out of people on Sony and MS consoles.

From day one a console release is a cash cow from pre-release special editions with skin dlcs (for single player and multiplayer content), then there's day one DLC and a continued stream of DLC and before you know it, you've invested £80 if not more on a game.

Consoles get priority because pc gaming is oversaturated with indie titles and f2p so the average game sells less on pc. Diablo 3 is the fastest selling pc game of all time yet GTA V sales destroy Diablo 3's pc sales.

Uh huh, sure buddy.

So you're saying that big budget games sell better on pc?

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@Cranler said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:
@Cranler said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

I think one reason why consoles might get priority is because publishers and developers know they can milk the living **** out of people on Sony and MS consoles.

From day one a console release is a cash cow from pre-release special editions with skin dlcs (for single player and multiplayer content), then there's day one DLC and a continued stream of DLC and before you know it, you've invested £80 if not more on a game.

Consoles get priority because pc gaming is oversaturated with indie titles and f2p so the average game sells less on pc. Diablo 3 is the fastest selling pc game of all time yet GTA V sales destroy Diablo 3's pc sales.

Uh huh, sure buddy.

So you're saying that big budget games sell better on pc?

Like I said consoles are cash cows. They know they can pull crap with console gamers they can't with PC gamers.

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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@Cranler said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:
@Cranler said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

I think one reason why consoles might get priority is because publishers and developers know they can milk the living **** out of people on Sony and MS consoles.

From day one a console release is a cash cow from pre-release special editions with skin dlcs (for single player and multiplayer content), then there's day one DLC and a continued stream of DLC and before you know it, you've invested £80 if not more on a game.

Consoles get priority because pc gaming is oversaturated with indie titles and f2p so the average game sells less on pc. Diablo 3 is the fastest selling pc game of all time yet GTA V sales destroy Diablo 3's pc sales.

Uh huh, sure buddy.

So you're saying that big budget games sell better on pc?

Like I said consoles are cash cows. They know they can pull crap with console gamers they can't with PC gamers.

Publisher sees Black Ops outsell entire Civilization franchise and focuses on console. Publisher sees Halo 2 sell more on launch day than Battlefield 2 sold in a year and focuses on console. Publisher sees GTA V outsell the entire Starcraft franchise in 30 days and focuses on console.

Do you have dlc sales data to back up your claims?

Early access which is basically paying to be a beta tester isn't as bad as dlc?

Most of that dlc is on pc versions as well.

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@Cranler said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:
@Cranler said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:
@Cranler said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

I think one reason why consoles might get priority is because publishers and developers know they can milk the living **** out of people on Sony and MS consoles.

From day one a console release is a cash cow from pre-release special editions with skin dlcs (for single player and multiplayer content), then there's day one DLC and a continued stream of DLC and before you know it, you've invested £80 if not more on a game.

Consoles get priority because pc gaming is oversaturated with indie titles and f2p so the average game sells less on pc. Diablo 3 is the fastest selling pc game of all time yet GTA V sales destroy Diablo 3's pc sales.

Uh huh, sure buddy.

So you're saying that big budget games sell better on pc?

Like I said consoles are cash cows. They know they can pull crap with console gamers they can't with PC gamers.

Publisher sees Black Ops outsell entire Civilization franchise and focuses on console. Publisher sees Halo 2 sell more on launch day than Battlefield 2 sold in a year and focuses on console. Publisher sees GTA V outsell the entire Starcraft franchise in 30 days and focuses on console.

Do you have dlc sales data to back up your claims?

Early access which is basically paying to be a beta tester isn't as bad as dlc?

Most of that dlc is on pc versions as well.

I never said sales don't play apart, but I said the milking plays a part too.

DLC from console ports usually come in game on the PC when the PC version comes later.

You don't have to use early access, you can just wait for the game.

Do I need DLC sales data, has it become a part of console gaming because they hope it someday works out or because it does actually work. Microtransactions/DLC is a big part of consoles now. You don't even see it until you go over to the PC just how much milking goes on with consoles.

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The main reason why Japan has become irrelevant today is because they are not into PC gaming. These are what they lacked by ditching the PC platform.

1. Game Engines - In Japan, the use of engines like Unreal, Unity, etc. is fairly recent. What they usually do is create a game engine for every game. As technology advanced, using game engines like Unreal and Unity has become more cost efficient. But as they turn to these engines, they are already very behind in the technological know-how as the West have been using these for a long time and they aren't adept at English.

2. Mods and map editors - These tools are the hallmarks of PC gaming. It is how MOBA was born and so is Counter Strike. The Japanese aren't exposed to these tools because they do not game on PC hence their lack of knowledge of using such tools. And without these freely available tools, there's no creation of content. Again, the inability to understand English is going to make it harder for them without any attempt of localization.

3. Digital Distribution - It is because of this format that indie games became widespread and with it the desire to create games independently. In Japan, DD is unpopular. They are stuck in the past with the traditional publisher-developer relationship. Indie games from the West have to be published over there. Strange, considering the very definition of indie is being independent (lack of publisher).

So you see? It is PC gaming that is at the forefront of the industry. It is where the ripples of change start. Consoles this gen are just PC wannabees.

1. Japan has been recycling game engines for decades. For example, Sega recycled the Super Scaler and Virtua engines for countless arcade games, and Nintendo did the same with the Super Mario Bros engine, Capcom with the Final Fight and Resident Evil engines, Squaresoft with the Final Fantasy VII engine, etc. The use of first-party, in-house engines has always been common practice in the Japanese game industry. What was less common among leading developers is the use of third-party engines. However, it was common to see engines from major developers being adopted by different developers, like with the Namco Galaxian and Sega Super Scaler engines in the arcades. And on Japanese home computers (PC-88, PC-98, MSX, X1, X68000, FM-7, FM Towns, etc.), it was common to see commercial third-party engines for RPG's, adventures, visual novels, and strategy games, with the RPG Maker series in particular still used by indie 2D RPG developers around the world to this day.

2. Japanese home computers (PC-88, PC-98, MSX, X1, X68000, FM-7, FM Towns, etc.) frequently had mods and map editors in the 8-bit and 16-bit days, when there was a thriving Japanese computer game industry, something most Western gamers are unaware of. However, the Japanese computer game industry eventually declined after the 16-bit era. With the 90's Japan recession, and local Japanese computers eventually losing out to IBM/WIndows-based PC imports, most Japanese computer game developers shifted to the the thriving console industry, so the use of third-party engines and mods/editors eventually became restricted to just "doujin" indie developers.

3. Not true. Japanese indie "doujin" developers have been using digital distribution for decades. However, only a small percentage of them ever get translated/localized in English, so it's no surprise that most Western gamers are unaware of the Japanese indie gaming scene. If anything, Japan probably has the biggest online indie gaming scene, considering how it has the world's largest mobile game market, where the majority of indie developers release their games.

And finally, console gaming is almost dead in Japan, so it's curious how you equate Japan with console gaming. This may have been true a decade ago, but certainly not today. It is mainly arcades, mobiles and handhelds that dominate Japan, not consoles or PC.

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Actually, most games PC gamers brag about are console ports. Namely 360 ports. Without consoles, I assure you, the gaming industry would be more worse off than if PC gaming declined. FACT.

Uhh..no. You might argue gamers would be worse off, but industry? Nope. PCgaming's death would be catastrophic for the whole industry, far more than death of consoles.

PC is where all the new trends are born and tested, it's where majority of all innovation in both hardware and software happen. It's also a gateway to proper gaming, because of how mainstream it is, while consoles are extremely niche devices compared to general population.

And last but not least. Pretty much every developer starts on PC. PCgaming dies and you can say goodbye to constant influx of talented people into industry

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Congrats. You like gaming on a PC. Enjoy. But it's really not at the forefront of gaming....consoles still reign there.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

But it's really not at the forefront of gaming....consoles still reign there.

Can you provide citation which proves this? PC has more software and hardware sales, developers, leading the most new genre/tech crazes, most played games, and high scoring games atm. I've linked that info in this Thread.

It's not that I think you're just blowing hot air, I simply want a link or source.

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#94  Edited By RoboCopISJesus
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@Cranler said:Consoles get priority

Because they don't. Look below.

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:

If pc gaming is at the forefront then why is one of it's so called big exclusives an expansion to a 10 year old game?

It's not an "if".

PC IS at the forefront of the industry:

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://static4.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/95/950780/2622420-5593276889-24509.jpg

It's your job to provide data with citation that disprove these links.

1 and 2: Because pc's are more expensive. Then again though if they're spending so much on pc hardware then why do all the most popular pc games have outdated graphics? Why did pc gaming have to wait for the new consoles for graphics to finally move forward?

3. Because it's cheaper to make pc games.

4. Budget games are rated differently than big budget titles.

5. PC is at the forefront of budget gaming while console is at the forefront of cutting edge, big budget gaming

1 and 2. You provided no citation and did not prove them wrong. You gave off-topic thoughts on why they occur. Stop right there. I don't care what you THINK. Disprove them please. They directly show PC at the forefront of the industry.

3. Excuses. Your point? You didn't disprove anything....you're just giving reasons why its occurring....You're helping my case..

4. Excuses. Prove this. Citation please. You seem upset that pc has far more AAA-AA titles. Divinity > Over hyped garbage.

5. Opinion. This thread says gaming industry. Stop making arbitrary separations which do not exist. Also, give citation.

Please learn to debate. As it stands, as those links show, PC is currently at the fore front of the industry. You haven't disproved them. I don't care about your opinion on the genres that sell. I have a negative opinion towards CoD , Madden, and movie-games, yet I don't let it take part in this conversation.

Time to dig yourself out of this hole. It looks bad.

If you have no citations, and only opinions again please do not bother responding. It's embarrassing.

P.S. I find it funny how we have to do 3-6 consoles vs 1 system, and you guys still end up losing via facts. God damn is PC a titan or what.

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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@Cranler said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:
@Cranler said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:
@Cranler said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

I think one reason why consoles might get priority is because publishers and developers know they can milk the living **** out of people on Sony and MS consoles.

From day one a console release is a cash cow from pre-release special editions with skin dlcs (for single player and multiplayer content), then there's day one DLC and a continued stream of DLC and before you know it, you've invested £80 if not more on a game.

Consoles get priority because pc gaming is oversaturated with indie titles and f2p so the average game sells less on pc. Diablo 3 is the fastest selling pc game of all time yet GTA V sales destroy Diablo 3's pc sales.

Uh huh, sure buddy.

So you're saying that big budget games sell better on pc?

Like I said consoles are cash cows. They know they can pull crap with console gamers they can't with PC gamers.

Publisher sees Black Ops outsell entire Civilization franchise and focuses on console. Publisher sees Halo 2 sell more on launch day than Battlefield 2 sold in a year and focuses on console. Publisher sees GTA V outsell the entire Starcraft franchise in 30 days and focuses on console.

Do you have dlc sales data to back up your claims?

Early access which is basically paying to be a beta tester isn't as bad as dlc?

Most of that dlc is on pc versions as well.

I never said sales don't play apart, but I said the milking plays a part too.

DLC from console ports usually come in game on the PC when the PC version comes later.

You don't have to use early access, you can just wait for the game.

Do I need DLC sales data, has it become a part of console gaming because they hope it someday works out or because it does actually work. Microtransactions/DLC is a big part of consoles now. You don't even see it until you go over to the PC just how much milking goes on with consoles.

1. You still haven't proven that dlc sells at a higher percentage on console

2. Usually? Most console ports launch simultaneously or a few months later with no dlc included

3. You don't have to buy dlc either

4. So you're saying dlc works on console but not pc? Prove it.

Big publisher games have lots of dlc regardless of platform. Look at all the EA games. BF 3 would point out what players had BF 3 premium on the pc version and it was most.

Publishers actually overcharge pc gamers. PC has no licensing fees yet pc gamers gladly pay the same price on most multiplats.

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@RoboCopISJesus said:
@Cranler said:Consoles get priority

Because they don't. Look below.

@Cranler said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@Cranler said:

If pc gaming is at the forefront then why is one of it's so called big exclusives an expansion to a 10 year old game?

It's not an "if".

PC IS at the forefront of the industry:

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://static4.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/95/950780/2622420-5593276889-24509.jpg

It's your job to provide data with citation that disprove these links.

1 and 2: Because pc's are more expensive. Then again though if they're spending so much on pc hardware then why do all the most popular pc games have outdated graphics? Why did pc gaming have to wait for the new consoles for graphics to finally move forward?

3. Because it's cheaper to make pc games.

4. Budget games are rated differently than big budget titles.

5. PC is at the forefront of budget gaming while console is at the forefront of cutting edge, big budget gaming

1 and 2. You provided no citation and did not prove them wrong. You gave off-topic thoughts on why they occur. Stop right there. I don't care what you THINK. Disprove them please. They directly show PC at the forefront of the industry.

3. Excuses. Your point? You didn't disprove anything....you're just giving reasons why its occurring....You're helping my case..

4. Excuses. Prove this. Citation please. You seem upset that pc has far more AAA-AA titles. Divinity > Over hyped garbage.

5. Opinion. This thread says gaming industry. Stop making arbitrary separations which do not exist. Also, give citation.

Please learn to debate. As it stands, as those links show, PC is currently at the fore front of the industry. You haven't disproved them. I don't care about your opinion on the genres that sell. I have a negative opinion towards CoD , Madden, and movie-games, yet I don't let it take part in this conversation.

Time to dig yourself out of this hole. It looks bad.

If you have no citations, and only opinions again please do not bother responding. It's embarrassing.

P.S. I find it funny how we have to do 3-6 consoles vs 1 system, and you guys still end up losing via facts. God damn is PC a titan or what.

Look at all these pc manufacturers that sell prebuilts. A prebuilt to equal the PS 4 is around $700-800. I've tried to find data on what percentage of pc gamers buy prebuilts vs diy but couldn't find anything but there are quite a few so it's obviously a huge market.

As of July its still more expensice though to build your own thaqn buy a console http://1985fm.com/2014/06/you-still-cant-buy-a-ps4-equivalent-pc-for-400/

So we conclude that prebuilt and self built are more expensive.

How does higher sales put pc at the forefront. Ford has higher revenue than Ferarri does that mean Ford is at the forefront of the auto industry?

It's common knowledge that releasing a game on pc is cheaper than console http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/108902/Ask_the_Experts_Console_vs_PC_Development.php

Price should be factored into reviews of anything. With Dota 2 you overlook the outdated graphics and lack of campaign because it's free.

Big budget games sell better on console. Big budget publishers decisions revolve around console.

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This goes to @scottpsfan14 as well:

@Cranler said:

Big budget games sell better on console. Big budget publishers decisions revolve around console.

1. Nothing you wrote refutes my links showing that PC is infact at the forefront of the industry:

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://static4.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/95/950780/2622420-5593276889-24509.jpg

2. You're both moving goal posts and changing the subject by only discussing "AAA" and "Big Budget". This thread is about the entire industry.

3. PC gets plenty of big budget games and decisions, but obviously not as much as all 6 consoles combined, but probably more than each singular console alone.

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@walloftruth said:

@Cranler said:

@KungfuKitten said:

Isn't half the Destiny budget for the marketing department?

Another good question is why does a console exclusive like Destiny have much better graphics than these 2 pc exclusives Robotrip brings up?

Are you really asking why a FPS has better graphics than a 4X and a MMORPG?

Why would other genre's get a free pass on graphics?

@RoboCopISJesus said:

This goes to @scottpsfan14 as well:

@Cranler said:

Big budget games sell better on console. Big budget publishers decisions revolve around console.

1. Nothing you wrote refutes my links showing that PC is infact at the forefront of the industry:

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.maximumpc.com/%E2%80%9Cpc_games_have_surpassed_console_games%E2%80%9D_says_dfc_intelligence_owner_2014

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15036700/2514944-0729074495-wiNSE.jpg

http://static4.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/95/950780/2622420-5593276889-24509.jpg

2. You're both moving goal posts and changing the subject by only discussing "AAA" and "Big Budget". This thread is about the entire industry.

3. PC gets plenty of big budget games and decisions, but obviously not as much as all 6 consoles combined, but probably more than each singular console alone.

Forefront of sales and forefront of the industry are 2 very different things.

I already proved that pc's are more expensive.

Big publishers are a huge part of the industry

List these big budget pc games