Why nothing even comes close to the PC right now...

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="iamrob7"]

You can always tell when someone is insecure, they respond by saying something like "Hey kid" or "lol junior", it's basic psychology. You might want to remember that in future, it just makes you look a bit silly.

I've actually done this before in another thread, here are the same parts used in that article, these parts will build a PC as demonstrated in the article that runs multiplat games in;

- Higher resolution

- Higher graphical settings

- Higher framerate (almost double in some situations)

Than either console

I've used US sites because that seems to be where you are searching, the article lists a PC at £300, for exactly the same parts as in the article you can get it in the US for £230 as shown below;

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Pentium-Dual-Core-Processor-Cache/dp/B005LLBBSS/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355184575&sr=1-1&keywords=Intel+Pentium+G840 - $68 - CPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125396 - $90 - GPU (A better GPU than was rumoured to be in the Xbox 720 by the way)

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-H61M-U3S3-Intel-Motherboard/dp/B004S0CTNE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355184716&sr=1-1&keywords=ASRock+H61M-VS - $67 - MOBO

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139826 - $19 - RAM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148765 - $60 - HD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026&Tpk=Corsair%20430W - $45 - PSU

http://www.amazon.com/2-Bay-micro-ATX-Computer-Supply-Silver/dp/B004PKQJPQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1355185120&sr=1-2&keywords=desktop+case+matx - $22 - CASE

=£230 or $371-(That's £70 ($100) cheaper than in the article at the cost of a slightly smaller HD and level of RAM, which makes no difference to the performance)

This is for a PC noteably superior to either console graphically in any multiplat. In another 6 months, knock another £50 off that at least.

If I wanted to build a PC on par with console performance, same resolution, graphical settings and framerates, you could knock anything between £40-100 off that price ($70-$160). You don't have to upgrade the PC at all unless you want something better than current console levels of graphical fidelity and fluidity.

Like I said, I'll anticipate your apology.

iamrob7

Is that supposed to be some sort of joke? You can get a Windows 7 key for £13, a mouse and a keyboard for another £10. Which means I'm still £50 within my price. Even if I bought a quality mouse and keyboard and a windows 7 ultimate key, I'm still well within the £300 range.

On top of that I could easily just replace the items above with these items;

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-nVidia-GeForce-PCI-Express-01G-P3-N988-TR/dp/B0032W602A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355186329&sr=8-1&keywords=9600gt - 9800GT - $45

http://www.amazon.com/White-Label-250GB-7200RPM-ATA100/dp/B002UMH9W8/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355186389&sr=1-5&keywords=250GB+hard+drive- $40 - HD

http://www.amazon.com/Diablotek-400-Watt-Power-Supply-PSDA400/dp/B0009MIP8I/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355186450&sr=1-1&keywords=400w+psu - $20 PSU

Slightly less well branded products and a slightly weaker GPU. Knocking $90 off the price I gave. Which would bring my price down even more, including the Keyboard/Mouse and OS key.

Admitting when you get something wrong shows character, I have every faith in you that you can do it.

whats with all these pc threads?GamingVengeance

It's just too easy. PC should be banned from SW so PS3 and 360 can actually have a fight

[QUOTE="GamingVengeance"]whats with all these pc threads?whiskeystrike

It's just too easy. PC should be banned from SW so PS3 and 360 can actually have a fight

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="GamingVengeance"]whats with all these pc threads?AmazonTreeBoa

It's just too easy. PC should be banned from SW so PS3 and 360 can actually have a fight

wat

well no TLoU or GTAV for you and your PC dominaiton theory.

Trinitarian

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="iamrob7"]

I posted this link already in this thread, but seeing as you are completely ignorant of reality, I'll post it again.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-introducing-the-digital-foundry-pc

A £300 PC delivering multiplats in a higher resolution, higher settings and at a much higher framerate than either console. There are comparison videos there for you to check out, I believe Skyrim, BF3 amongst them. That was 6 months ago, the same PC can be bought for just over £200 now.

I'll anticipate your apology.

iamrob7

You can always tell when someone is insecure, they respond by saying something like "Hey kid" or "lol junior", it's basic psychology. You might want to remember that in future, it just makes you look a bit silly.

I've actually done this before in another thread, here are the same parts used in that article, these parts will build a PC as demonstrated in the article that runs multiplat games in;

- Higher resolution

- Higher graphical settings

- Higher framerate (almost double in some situations)

Than either console

I've used US sites because that seems to be where you are searching, the article lists a PC at £300, for exactly the same parts as in the article you can get it in the US for £230 as shown below;

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Pentium-Dual-Core-Processor-Cache/dp/B005LLBBSS/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355184575&sr=1-1&keywords=Intel+Pentium+G840 - $68 - CPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125396 - $90 - GPU (A better GPU than was rumoured to be in the Xbox 720 by the way)

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-H61M-U3S3-Intel-Motherboard/dp/B004S0CTNE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355184716&sr=1-1&keywords=ASRock+H61M-VS - $67 - MOBO

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139826 - $19 - RAM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148765 - $60 - HD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026&Tpk=Corsair%20430W - $45 - PSU

http://www.amazon.com/2-Bay-micro-ATX-Computer-Supply-Silver/dp/B004PKQJPQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1355185120&sr=1-2&keywords=desktop+case+matx - $22 - CASE

=£230 or $371-(That's £70 ($100) cheaper than in the article at the cost of a slightly smaller HD and level of RAM, which makes no difference to the performance)

This is for a PC noteably superior to either console graphically in any multiplat. In another 6 months, knock another £50 off that at least.

If I wanted to build a PC on par with console performance, same resolution, graphical settings and framerates, you could knock anything between £40-100 off that price ($70-$160). You don't have to upgrade the PC at all unless you want something better than current console levels of graphical fidelity and fluidity.

Like I said, I'll anticipate your apology.

Better hardware with lower $371 USD price.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant /

CPU:Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($67.55 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard:ECS H61H2-M2(1.0) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($36.97 @ Newegg)

Memory:Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($16.99 @ Newegg)

Storage:Hitachi 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ NCIX US)

Video Card:MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($107.99 @ Microcenter)

Case:Apex SK-393-C ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ NCIX US)

Power Supply:CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $324.47 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-11 00:40 EST-0500)

Radeon HD 7770 beats Radeon HD 6770 i.e. near Radeon HD 6850.

Radeon HD 7770 has the latest DX11.1 Level 11.1 hardware e.g. 64 slots UAVs for all shader types vs DX11.0's 8 slots UAVs for just PS/CS types..

If you can improve upon it, please share it.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

It's just too easy. PC should be banned from SW so PS3 and 360 can actually have a fight

whiskeystrike

wat

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] Why, are you upset that every time they start, PC walks in and smacks their heads together and walks back out?AmazonTreeBoa

wat

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] Why, are you upset that every time they start, PC walks in and smacks their heads together and walks back out?AmazonTreeBoa

wat

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] You forgot the OS, keyboard, and mouse, which puts you well over the price. But hey, at least you tried.AmazonTreeBoa

Is that supposed to be some sort of joke? You can get a Windows 7 key for £13, a mouse and a keyboard for another £10. Which means I'm still £50 within my price. Even if I bought a quality mouse and keyboard and a windows 7 ultimate key, I'm still well within the £300 range.

On top of that I could easily just replace the items above with these items;

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-nVidia-GeForce-PCI-Express-01G-P3-N988-TR/dp/B0032W602A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355186329&sr=8-1&keywords=9600gt - 9800GT - $45

http://www.amazon.com/White-Label-250GB-7200RPM-ATA100/dp/B002UMH9W8/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355186389&sr=1-5&keywords=250GB+hard+drive- $40 - HD

http://www.amazon.com/Diablotek-400-Watt-Power-Supply-PSDA400/dp/B0009MIP8I/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355186450&sr=1-1&keywords=400w+psu - $20 PSU

Slightly less well branded products and a slightly weaker GPU. Knocking $90 off the price I gave. Which would bring my price down even more, including the Keyboard/Mouse and OS key.

Admitting when you get something wrong shows character, I have every faith in you that you can do it.

No you don't, you can play Skyrim and BF3, just as in the article no problem. Are they not newer games? 250Gb is not too small at all, it's absolutely fine for gaming. An average game install is 7GB, so that's 20-30 games you can have installed plus the OS.

As for the PSU, we aren't talking about upgrading, we are talking about a PC that delivers on a higher level than consoles for a budget. That's exactly what this is. The 9800GT is fine for console level graphics, the 6770 in the original post which comes well within budget is more than enough anyway.

You don't seem to have a leg to stand on, but for whatever reason you seem incapable of accepting reality. Check out Ron Valencia's post for an even better build.

Better hardware with lower $371 USD price.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant /

CPU:Intel Pentium G860 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($67.55 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard:ECS H61H2-M2(1.0) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($36.97 @ Newegg)

Memory:Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($16.99 @ Newegg)

Storage:Hitachi 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ NCIX US)

Video Card:MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($107.99 @ Microcenter)

Case:Apex SK-393-C ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ NCIX US)

Power Supply:CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $324.47 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-11 00:40 EST-0500)

Radeon HD 7770 beats Radeon HD 6770 i.e. near Radeon HD 6850.

Radeon HD 7770 has the latest DX11.1 Level 11.1 hardware e.g. 64 slots UAVs for all shader types vs DX11.0's 8 slots UAVs for just PS/CS types..

If you can improve upon it, please share it.

ronvalencia

Yup that is extremely good, better than the build I made. The build I made was just to match the article I posted with the video demonstrations. That's even better though.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="iamrob7"]

Is that supposed to be some sort of joke? You can get a Windows 7 key for £13, a mouse and a keyboard for another £10. Which means I'm still £50 within my price. Even if I bought a quality mouse and keyboard and a windows 7 ultimate key, I'm still well within the £300 range.

On top of that I could easily just replace the items above with these items;

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-nVidia-GeForce-PCI-Express-01G-P3-N988-TR/dp/B0032W602A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355186329&sr=8-1&keywords=9600gt - 9800GT - $45

http://www.amazon.com/White-Label-250GB-7200RPM-ATA100/dp/B002UMH9W8/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355186389&sr=1-5&keywords=250GB+hard+drive- $40 - HD

http://www.amazon.com/Diablotek-400-Watt-Power-Supply-PSDA400/dp/B0009MIP8I/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355186450&sr=1-1&keywords=400w+psu - $20 PSU

Slightly less well branded products and a slightly weaker GPU. Knocking $90 off the price I gave. Which would bring my price down even more, including the Keyboard/Mouse and OS key.

Admitting when you get something wrong shows character, I have every faith in you that you can do it.

iamrob7

No you don't, you can play Skyrim and BF3, just as in the article no problem. Are they not newer games? 250Gb is not too small at all, it's absolutely fine for gaming. An average game install is 7GB, so that's 20-30 games you can have installed plus the OS.

As for the PSU, we aren't talking about upgrading, we are talking about a PC that delivers on a higher level than consoles for a budget. That's exactly what this is. The 9800GT is fine for console level graphics, the 6770 in the original post which comes well within budget is more than enough anyway.

You don't seem to have a leg to stand on, but for whatever reason you seem incapable of accepting reality. Check out Ron Valencia's post for an even better build.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

wat

MBirdy88

There is no "the PC" platform.

Anything running anything isn't a platform.

There is also no "PC exclusive." What are you exclusive to? Any circuit board being manufactured in China?

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] Again, I have to upgrade from those parts right off the rip to be able to play newer games. What part of that do you keep missing? I have a 9800gt in my current PC, I know for a fact I would have to upgrade. And again, the hard drive is too small Way too small. That thing wouldn't even hold half the games I have, let alone any new ones I wish to buy. That PSU isn't powerful enough for me to upgrade, so there goes more money to upgrade there as well. Again, nice try. ;)AmazonTreeBoa

No you don't, you can play Skyrim and BF3, just as in the article no problem. Are they not newer games? 250Gb is not too small at all, it's absolutely fine for gaming. An average game install is 7GB, so that's 20-30 games you can have installed plus the OS.

As for the PSU, we aren't talking about upgrading, we are talking about a PC that delivers on a higher level than consoles for a budget. That's exactly what this is. The 9800GT is fine for console level graphics, the 6770 in the original post which comes well within budget is more than enough anyway.

You don't seem to have a leg to stand on, but for whatever reason you seem incapable of accepting reality. Check out Ron Valencia's post for an even better build.

Lol. This might be the worst case of "I'm right because I'm right and it doesn't matter if I'm wrong, cuz I'm right", I've ever seen. Give it up already. There is no argument here. There are now at least 3 PC builds listed on this page alone, which get better performance in multiplat games than consoles, and cost about the same, including OS and peripherals. Just walk away.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] Nothing. It clearly went over your head.AmazonTreeBoa

Except that you don't. What are YOU not getting about this? These exact same builds are being used by people right now, playing the PC versions of multiplat games, at higher resolutions, and nearly double the framerate of the console versions.

not these PC builds, plus upgrades. These exact ones that have been listed here. No upgrades.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] Why, are you upset that every time they start, PC walks in and smacks their heads together and walks back out?AmazonTreeBoa

wat

wasn't sure if you were making a funny or being serious. hard to tell on this board sometimes

Too bad that game doesn't interest me as much as this upcoming PS3 exclusive does:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2kQr6biGQY

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] Nothing. It clearly went over your head.AmazonTreeBoa

Unfortunately Mr Amazon is completely wrong as demonstrated in this article;

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-introducing-the-digital-foundry-pc

The exact PC I originally specified performance wise for games, except I did it for £230 instead of £300 as that article is 6 months old.

Also Ron Valencia came up with an even better build, check out his post.

@Amazon - You are becoming a source of comedy. You know it is ok to admit sometimes when you get something wrong, you will find it less painful than you think. People will actually think more of you if you manage to do so.

Let's just catalogue the situation so far, I've delivered;

- An article demonstrating the performance of a PC with the parts listed clearly, showing video benchmarks in modern games like BF3 and Skyrim considerably improved on either console

- That same PC specification for £230 in US shops as requested.

also;

Ron Valencia came up with an even better build for even less money.

You've delivered;

- Um...

- Saying "It's all lies" despite clear proof to the contrary

That's the situation right now. Clear and simple evidence of a PC costing £230 that delivers performance over and above either console in modern multiplats. In fact Ron delivered a better PC at an even cheaper price. What is your counter? That's right, you don't have one.

Too bad that game doesn't interest me as much as this upcoming PS3 exclusive does:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2kQr6biGQY

Sailor_Enlil

What on earth? lol, fair enough.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="iamrob7"]

Is that supposed to be some sort of joke? You can get a Windows 7 key for £13, a mouse and a keyboard for another £10. Which means I'm still £50 within my price. Even if I bought a quality mouse and keyboard and a windows 7 ultimate key, I'm still well within the £300 range.

On top of that I could easily just replace the items above with these items;

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-nVidia-GeForce-PCI-Express-01G-P3-N988-TR/dp/B0032W602A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355186329&sr=8-1&keywords=9600gt - 9800GT - $45

http://www.amazon.com/White-Label-250GB-7200RPM-ATA100/dp/B002UMH9W8/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355186389&sr=1-5&keywords=250GB+hard+drive- $40 - HD

http://www.amazon.com/Diablotek-400-Watt-Power-Supply-PSDA400/dp/B0009MIP8I/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355186450&sr=1-1&keywords=400w+psu - $20 PSU

Slightly less well branded products and a slightly weaker GPU. Knocking $90 off the price I gave. Which would bring my price down even more, including the Keyboard/Mouse and OS key.

Admitting when you get something wrong shows character, I have every faith in you that you can do it.

iamrob7

No you don't, you can play Skyrim and BF3, just as in the article no problem. Are they not newer games? 250Gb is not too small at all, it's absolutely fine for gaming. An average game install is 7GB, so that's 20-30 games you can have installed plus the OS.

As for the PSU, we aren't talking about upgrading, we are talking about a PC that delivers on a higher level than consoles for a budget. That's exactly what this is. The 9800GT is fine for console level graphics, the 6770 in the original post which comes well within budget is more than enough anyway.

You don't seem to have a leg to stand on, but for whatever reason you seem incapable of accepting reality. Check out Ron Valencia's post for an even better build.

The 9800gt destroys consoles.

It's over 3 times as power as a console.

It won't be maxing out Far Cry 3 but it will play games as much higher settings than consoles would.

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]why are there so many dumb pc threads stating the obvious?? Hermits are about to reach cows level of sad around here.mems_1224

I lose track of who cows are, are they Xbox gamers or PS3 gamers? They all seem the same to me.

Anyway, just celebrating the complete and total victory of the PC as a platform, isn't that what system wars is about? You know, which system is best.

No, its ahead of the other consoles but not the 360. 360 has more games that people wants to play. Plus it sold 750,000 on black friday. Its easily the best system on this board. XBL>>Steam and PSN

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"] No, your blatant grasping at straws is whats going over everyones head, his PC solution works, meanwhile you whine about upgradability, last time i checked I didnt need to upgrade for years, ontop of that we are talking about a console solution here.... I didnt know your 360/PS3 upgraded... cool that.the_bi99man

Except that you don't. What are YOU not getting about this? These exact same builds are being used by people right now, playing the PC versions of multiplat games, at higher resolutions, and nearly double the framerate of the console versions.

not these PC builds, plus upgrades. These exact ones that have been listed here. No upgrades.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="iamrob7"]

I lose track of who cows are, are they Xbox gamers or PS3 gamers? They all seem the same to me.

Anyway, just celebrating the complete and total victory of the PC as a platform, isn't that what system wars is about? You know, which system is best.

NineTailedGoku

No, its ahead of the other consoles but not the 360. 360 has more games that people wants to play. Plus it sold 750,000 on black friday. Its easily the best system on this board. XBL>>Steam and PSN

PC has a higher software attachment rate with more variety in games

Like I said in another thread about PC gaming.....f**k PC gaming.sakura_Ex

Great argument.

lots of denial in here

http://www.windows7keystore.me.uk/windows-7-starter-product-key-p-10.html

iamrob7

You're the man. Honestly.

Here in NZ the price of a Windows license is about 5x that.

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] No his PC solution doesn't work. I have to upgrade almost every piece he listed.AmazonTreeBoa

Except that you don't. What are YOU not getting about this? These exact same builds are being used by people right now, playing the PC versions of multiplat games, at higher resolutions, and nearly double the framerate of the console versions.

not these PC builds, plus upgrades. These exact ones that have been listed here. No upgrades.

You seem to be labouring under the illusion that we are talking about a PC that you aspire to. I don't know how you got yourself this confused. Maybe it is something about being wrong that has forced you to confuse yourself rather than face up to your error. I'm not sure.

Let me bring you back to reality. The discussion was regarding a £300 PC that could deliver superior resolution, graphical settings and framerates than either console in any multiplat. You objected to that assertion, I pointed out that you were completely wrong, I have proven categorically that you are completely wrong for £230 in fact. Not only that someone else proved you wrong also with an even better PC for less money. The PC I specified without upgrades of any kind delivers exactly what I said it does. Yet you seem entirely unable to admit your fault. To the point of becoming a bit of a clown for everyone who is reading this thread. You must have realised by now that you were wrong, you needn't prolong your torment through rather comical and childish denial.

I repeat my former assertions because you have yet to provide any kind of counter to them, because you have no counter. Your answer is to try to use idioms and unrelated arguments to try and distract from the fact you got everything wrong. Unfortunately for you, reality is persistent.

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] Again, I have to upgrade from those parts right off the rip to be able to play newer games. What part of that do you keep missing? I have a 9800gt in my current PC, I know for a fact I would have to upgrade. And again, the hard drive is too small Way too small. That thing wouldn't even hold half the games I have, let alone any new ones I wish to buy. That PSU isn't powerful enough for me to upgrade, so there goes more money to upgrade there as well. Again, nice try. ;)RyviusARC

No you don't, you can play Skyrim and BF3, just as in the article no problem. Are they not newer games? 250Gb is not too small at all, it's absolutely fine for gaming. An average game install is 7GB, so that's 20-30 games you can have installed plus the OS.

As for the PSU, we aren't talking about upgrading, we are talking about a PC that delivers on a higher level than consoles for a budget. That's exactly what this is. The 9800GT is fine for console level graphics, the 6770 in the original post which comes well within budget is more than enough anyway.

You don't seem to have a leg to stand on, but for whatever reason you seem incapable of accepting reality. Check out Ron Valencia's post for an even better build.

The 9800gt destroys consoles.

It's over 3 times as power as a console.

It won't be maxing out Far Cry 3 but it will play games as much higher settings than consoles would.

The question is, is power level over 9000?

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] No his PC solution doesn't work. I have to upgrade almost every piece he listed.AmazonTreeBoa

Except that you don't. What are YOU not getting about this? These exact same builds are being used by people right now, playing the PC versions of multiplat games, at higher resolutions, and nearly double the framerate of the console versions.

not these PC builds, plus upgrades. These exact ones that have been listed here. No upgrades.

Lol. I sound like a broken record? If your 9800gt isn't getting the same performance as others', that's a problem on your end. But a cheap PC, like the ones linked to here, will run multiplats at 60fps, with better graphics than the console versions. Fact. Been tested countless times, by many different people. Been documented.

But okay. You said you'd have to upgrade. For what reason, who knows? You clearly don't. Guess I'll deal with it.

A: people have no clue how to optimize their computer.

B: if you think a console is better then you haven' played on a high end computer lately

C: that clip of planetside 2 didn't even have that much action, when you're in the sky and there are 10 times as many guys as in that video, that's when the game gets good

A: people have no clue how to optimize their computer. B: if you think a console is better then you haven' played on a high end computer latelyrobokill

Lol. If you think console is better, you weren't even playing on a high end computer when the consoles were new.

Sorry Hermits....your Jedi mind tricks won't work on me. Like I said in another thread about PC gaming.....f**k PC gaming.sakura_Ex

Jelousy

You seem to be labouring under the illusion that we are talking about a PC that you aspire to I don't know how you got yourself this confused. Maybe it is something about being wrong that has forced you to confuse yourself rather than face up to your error. I'm not sure.

Let me bring you back to reality. The discussion was regarding a £300 PC that could deliver superior resolution, graphical settings and framerates than either console in any multiplat. You objected to that assertion, I pointed out that you were completely wrong, I have proven categorically that you are completely wrong for £230 in fact. Not only that someone else proved you wrong also with an even better PC for less money. The PC I specified without upgrades of any kind delivers exactly what I said it does. Yet you seem entirely unable to admit your fault. To the point of becoming a bit of a clown for everyone who is reading this thread. You must have realised by now that you were wrong, you needn't prolong your torment through rather comical and childish denial.

I repeat my former assertions because you have yet to provide any kind of counter to them, because you have no counter. Your answer is to try to use idioms and unrelated arguments to try and distract from the fact you got everything wrong. Unfortunately for you, reality is persistent.

iamrob7

Playing games on a cheap pc sucks.

Much better off going budget on a console.

Not to mention most "must have" multiplats aren't available for PC these days.

[QUOTE="robokill"]A: people have no clue how to optimize their computer. B: if you think a console is better then you haven' played on a high end computer latelythe_bi99man

Lol. If you think console is better, you weren't even playing on a high end computer when the consoles were new.

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="robokill"]A: people have no clue how to optimize their computer. B: if you think a console is better then you haven' played on a high end computer latelylowe0

Lol. If you think console is better, you weren't even playing on a high end computer when the consoles were new.

Not on Windows.

Their games are ported by the lowest bidder, if you want games to actually look good you have to push the sliders up.

Devs spend more time on console version to make it look nice.

That's why Gears and Killzone looks nice sub-HD.

Anything on computer sub-HD automatically looks like schit.

Playing games on a cheap pc sucks.

Much better off going budget on a console.

Not to mention most "must have" multiplats aren't available for PC these days.

ZombieKiller7

Such as?

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Lol. If you think console is better, you weren't even playing on a high end computer when the consoles were new.

ZombieKiller7

Not on Windows.

Their games are ported by the lowest bidder, if you want games to actually look good you have to push the sliders up.

Devs spend more time on console version to make it look nice.

That's why Gears and Killzone looks nice sub-HD.

Anything on computer sub-HD automatically looks like schit.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Playing games on a cheap pc sucks.

Much better off going budget on a console.

Not to mention most "must have" multiplats aren't available for PC these days.

Ocid1

Such as?

Still try to convince people in buying a PC?:lol:

Come on get over it!, People play on their system of choice when they see fit, stop with this PC dominant this and that because people like you give pro-PC gamers a bad name.

Real PC gamers respect other gamers with preference over PC, try to consider this take..

I tried planetside 2 and didn't enjoy it at all. Not saying it is a bad game...just not for me.