Why nostalgia actually works against Nintendo

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#1 Posted by lordlors (5728 posts) -

I have said this before and I will say this again. People here in SW don't seem to understand what "nostalgia" means and how it works differently for games from books and movies. Let's take a look at the definition of the word taken from The Free Dictionary.

nos·tal·gi·a (n-stlj, n-)n.

1. A bittersweet longing for things, persons, or situations of the past.

So when a person gets nostalgic, he is longing for the past and not the present thing. A person affected by nostalgia wouldn't play the new Nintendo games. He/She will prefer or even defend the "past" Nintendo games. So in actuality, the people who yell at Nintendo for using nostalgia to sell their games are the people affected by nostalgia themselves. They refuse to try and see what's something new because all they can see from Nintendo is the "past" Nintendo.

What Nintendo uses in their products to sell isn't nostalgia. It's called "familiarity."

#2 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

Its because majority of nintendo fans (NES fans in general) are nastologic. they belive their 80s NES game is better than current PC games.

#3 Posted by nintendoboy16 (28116 posts) -

If anyone is closer to being nostalgic, it's the FORMER Nintendo fans who go on about how Nintendo was so great in the SNES era and rant on about how they were crap since the N64 era.

#4 Posted by foxhound_fox (90891 posts) -

New Super Mario Bros Wii sold more than 20 million copies.

Yeah, no.

Also what @nintendoboy16 said.

#5 Posted by Heirren (19014 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

Its because majority of nintendo fans (NES fans in general) are nastologic. they belive their 80s NES game is better than current PC games.

I don't agree with that. The extreme nostalgic group tend to be retro only gamers. I grew up in the nes era, and from my experience growing up as the industry itself has, most people in my age demographic actually support nintendo for the gameplay. I know people almost half my age that are gamers. They're crazy about games like Skyrim and Mass Effect. Which is fine, Mass Effect is a wonderful experience. With that said, I recommend games like Link to the Past and Mario World--real classic games that tend not to age because they are so well designed around the hardware they were created on. Games that give the player a set of rules and then let the player master the system. A lot of youngsters that weren't exposed to the nes/snes/genesis era are surprised how tight and enjoyable the games are. It is because of the gameplay.

Are there nostalgic groups? Of course, but the people that still seek out fresh experiences buy nintendo for a different reason. I think one of the biggest examples this gen is Nintendo Land. That game is atrociously under appreciated and is an absolute blast.

#6 Posted by edwardecl (2239 posts) -

No what nostalgia is in this case is the longing to return to the way things once were, to recapture a moment where a game was fun. In the case of Nintendo people are buying it to play a series of games they liked and hope to return to game play that matches or exceeds what they previously experienced.
There are quite a few games I have liked in the past that I wish would return just how they were originally but made better with a new interface. Games I wish would return that are older than 10 years are, UFO: Enemy Unknown, The Settlers and Freelancer, those games still standup today in terms of game play and it's a shame they never got worthy sequels. Maybe my taste in games is shit I dunno.

#8 Posted by 93BlackHawk93 (6281 posts) -

Zelda purists are a great example.

#9 Edited by Shinobishyguy (22651 posts) -

@scottpsfan14: lol way to prove the OP right.

Whenever people go on about something as vague as "magic" or "soul" its almost always fueled by nostalgia

#11 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22651 posts) -

@scottpsfan14: so you weren't trying to assert anything by going on about magic or how "nintendo games aren't as good as they used to be because I say so"

#13 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22651 posts) -

@scottpsfan14: keep thinking that you special snowflake you

#14 Posted by bbkkristian (14967 posts) -

@nintendoboy16: true that.

#15 Posted by YearoftheSnake5 (8188 posts) -

@nintendoboy16 said:

If anyone is closer to being nostalgic, it's the FORMER Nintendo fans who go on about how Nintendo was so great in the SNES era and rant on about how they were crap since the N64 era.

This this this a thousand times.

#16 Edited by lordlors (5728 posts) -
@edwardecl said:

No what nostalgia is in this case is the longing to return to the way things once were, to recapture a moment where a game was fun. In the case of Nintendo people are buying it to play a series of games they liked and hope to return to game play that matches or exceeds what they previously experienced.

There are quite a few games I have liked in the past that I wish would return just how they were originally but made better with a new interface. Games I wish would return that are older than 10 years are, UFO: Enemy Unknown, The Settlers and Freelancer, those games still standup today in terms of game play and it's a shame they never got worthy sequels. Maybe my taste in games is shit I dunno.

Why recapture those great moments of past games by playing the new games when you can play and experience those exact moments by playing the past games? It's not like retro games disappear and are gone forever. People affected by nostalgia do not play the new games. They get excited by "remakes." So the people who do play the new Nintendo games aren't affected by nostalgia. They are affected by "familiarity" because they know and grew up with those Nintendo franchises.

#17 Edited by Pikminmaniac (9423 posts) -

Yeah I tend to agree with this. Zelda fans are the clearest example. They always hate the new zelda because it isn't exactly like their precious old Zelda. Nintendo continues to produce some of the most well designed and challenging games on the market. They just don't make them exactly the way they were 20+ years ago.

I'd argue that current Nintendo has stronger design than ever, but they've been aiming for easier entry level with much higher mastery required to complete everything than ever before.

#18 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (18709 posts) -

No need to get all technical, People here are just severely misinformed about what it is Nintendo actually does, we're also in the era of the death of Gameplay and local multiplayer.

#20 Posted by Renegade_Fury (17576 posts) -

New Super Mario Bros., Donkey Kong Country Returns, Pokemon X & Y, A Link Between Worlds, and so on, all seem to be geared towards a nostalgic fanbase to me.

Nostalgia works both ways. There are some people that think everything Nintendo makes now is crap compared to yesteryear, and then there are those that are still so wrapped up in the Nintendo mystique from their childhood, that they're blind to any legitimate flaws.

#21 Posted by 2_Quiet_2_Riot (743 posts) -

@Renegade_Fury said:

New Super Mario Bros., Donkey Kong Country Returns, Pokemon X & Y, A Link Between Worlds, and so on, all seem to be geared towards a nostalgic fanbase to me.

Nostalgia works both ways. There are some people that think everything Nintendo makes now is crap compared to yesteryear, and then there are those that are still so wrapped up in the Nintendo mystique from their childhood, that they're blind to any legitimate flaws.

This a trillion times

#22 Posted by thehig1 (3367 posts) -

@foxhound_fox said:

New Super Mario Bros Wii sold more than 20 million copies.

Yeah, no.

Also what @nintendoboy16 said.

did that sell more than Galaxy ?

And did it sell more because its 2D, more nostalgic?

#23 Posted by magicalclick (23995 posts) -

For my most ultra holy favorite games, I indeed want the game to be kept as original as possible when they remake it. Because it is the entire experience. I often see remakes losing its original feeling due to graphics upgrades. The graphics is sure brighter and shaper, but the artistic value is gone. The graphics often lose it professional polish, ended up with some amateur HD graphics. And at worst, the map scale is smaller than the original. Also the music become even more cheesy with new instruments and more noises. So, it doesn't have the same polish anymore.

#24 Posted by inb4uall (6520 posts) -

@scottpsfan14 said:
@Shinobishyguy said:

@scottpsfan14: so you weren't trying to assert anything by going on about magic or how "nintendo games aren't as good as they used to be because I say so"

Look Sheep.Accept it. Nintendo are shit now lol. I am no longer going to continue this conversation. Pff with their POS hardware and stupid pad.

Why you mad though?

#25 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (26430 posts) -

I will never understand this argument.

It's nostalgic garbage if Nintendo makes a New game from one of their many established IPs, Yet it's okay for other Companies to release a game like Tomb Raider and call it "Fresh" and "New". And you don't think that Nostalgia couldn't also hit those on the New Tomb Raider? That game series is almost 20 years old, it turns 18 this October. What about Deus Ex? When Human Revolution was coming out I couldn't stop seeing and hearing about "How GREAT" the original Deus Ex game was from both the Developers AND the Gamers (sound familiar? sure does sound like a certain company I know.) And How about our good friends at Naughty Dog? What are they most well known for. Recently now people will say "The Last of Us", a few years ago it was Uncharted, but what do fans of Naughty Dog keep talking about what they want them to make? Crash Bandicoot and Jak and Daxter. Fans WANT Naughty Dog to make new games for these series and heck if not Naughty Dog they just want Sony to make them a new game for the PS4. Fans went Bat Crazy when they saw Crash Silhouettes around the PS4 trailers.

Look the Nostalgia Argument shouldn't be pinned on Nintendo and only on Nintendo. Most of their games don't even bring up stuff from the past. They only look like something from the past.

#26 Posted by Shielder7 (5191 posts) -

if Nintendo lost its nostalgia fan base they'd go bankrupt in a week.

#27 Edited by jg4xchamp (50693 posts) -

@Pikminmaniac said:

Yeah I tend to agree with this. Zelda fans are the clearest example. They always hate the new zelda because it isn't exactly like their precious old Zelda. Nintendo continues to produce some of the most well designed and challenging games on the market.

>Challenging
>Zelda


#28 Edited by MirkoS77 (8432 posts) -

@lordlors said:

I have said this before and I will say this again. People here in SW don't seem to understand what "nostalgia" means and how it works differently for games from books and movies. Let's take a look at the definition of the word taken from The Free Dictionary.

nos·tal·gi·a (n-stlj, n-)n.

1. A bittersweet longing for things, persons, or situations of the past.

So when a person gets nostalgic, he is longing for the past and not the present thing. A person affected by nostalgia wouldn't play the new Nintendo games. He/She will prefer or even defend the "past" Nintendo games. So in actuality, the people who yell at Nintendo for using nostalgia to sell their games are the people affected by nostalgia themselves. They refuse to try and see what's something new because all they can see from Nintendo is the "past" Nintendo.

What Nintendo uses in their products to sell isn't nostalgia. It's called "familiarity."

Wtf?

Of course nostalgia can manifest itself in the present software offerings and hold attraction because of it. A person can be overcome with nostalgia in the present by playing a game, and in that sense a game can be made to cater to that feeling in order to help sell it. I play the new Zeldas, the new Marios, etc, not only because they are fun but also because they bring me back to a time of the past of similar enjoyment and feeling. Tons of people play new Nintendo games because of nostalgia, to try to say otherwise is ludicrous.

But you're right....I'm one of those that says Nintendo (and Sony, and MS, and every developer out there) plays upon nostalgia to sell their games, and I'll be the first to admit I'm definitely affected by it myself. And there's nothing wrong with that so I don't know why you're implying there is. As there's so many sequels everywhere today, the majority of the games I buy are in part motivated by nostalgia.

#29 Posted by -ParaNormaN- (1004 posts) -

@lordlors said:

I have said this before and I will say this again. People here in SW don't seem to understand what "nostalgia" means and how it works differently for games from books and movies. Let's take a look at the definition of the word taken from The Free Dictionary.

nos·tal·gi·a (n-stlj, n-)n.

1. A bittersweet longing for things, persons, or situations of the past.

So when a person gets nostalgic, he is longing for the past and not the present thing. A person affected by nostalgia wouldn't play the new Nintendo games. He/She will prefer or even defend the "past" Nintendo games. So in actuality, the people who yell at Nintendo for using nostalgia to sell their games are the people affected by nostalgia themselves. They refuse to try and see what's something new because all they can see from Nintendo is the "past" Nintendo.

What Nintendo uses in their products to sell isn't nostalgia. It's called "familiarity."

Now, that's what I call irony.

#30 Edited by nethernova (4265 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

nastologic

You might want to try again.

#31 Posted by Bigboi500 (31309 posts) -

Fanboys don't understand lots of big words.

#32 Edited by AzatiS (8188 posts) -

@lordlors: My opinion over this is that ....

Newcomers into video gaming are NOT nostalgic about nothing ...and thats what hurts or will hurt Nintendo more than anything else. As we ( or most of us ) age , we dont play games as we used to or we dont care anymore or whatever the reason ( real life issues in general ) ... its our generation that keeps Nintendo alive imho (console wise at least ). Its our generation that being nostalgic and praising everysingle Mario Kart game or Smash etc ... The guys that now are 40-30- or even 25 around...The youngsters that praising Nintendo gaming let along being nostalgic about there is a small minority now.

What about the new gamers that are 10-12-14-16 !!? Do they care that much ? Dont think so ...let alone being nostalgic about ...Nintendo games we used to play 20 years ago ...well NOT.

#33 Edited by Gue1 (11506 posts) -

and here we go with another battle of semantics and spinning.

Mario Golf was made for a mature audience.

Gears of War and Mortal Kombat are for children. Porn too.

#34 Edited by lordlors (5728 posts) -

@MirkoS77 said:

@lordlors said:

I have said this before and I will say this again. People here in SW don't seem to understand what "nostalgia" means and how it works differently for games from books and movies. Let's take a look at the definition of the word taken from The Free Dictionary.

nos·tal·gi·a (n-stlj, n-)n.

1. A bittersweet longing for things, persons, or situations of the past.

So when a person gets nostalgic, he is longing for the past and not the present thing. A person affected by nostalgia wouldn't play the new Nintendo games. He/She will prefer or even defend the "past" Nintendo games. So in actuality, the people who yell at Nintendo for using nostalgia to sell their games are the people affected by nostalgia themselves. They refuse to try and see what's something new because all they can see from Nintendo is the "past" Nintendo.

What Nintendo uses in their products to sell isn't nostalgia. It's called "familiarity."

Wtf?

Of course nostalgia can manifest itself in the present software offerings and hold attraction because of it. A person can be overcome with nostalgia in the present by playing a game, and in that sense a game can be made to cater to that feeling in order to help sell it. I play the new Zeldas, the new Marios, etc, not only because they are fun but also because they bring me back to a time of the past of similar enjoyment and feeling. Tons of people play new Nintendo games because of nostalgia, to try to say otherwise is ludicrous.

But you're right....I'm one of those that says Nintendo (and Sony, and MS, and every developer out there) plays upon nostalgia to sell their games, and I'll be the first to admit I'm definitely affected by it myself. And there's nothing wrong with that so I don't know why you're implying there is. As there's so many sequels everywhere today, the majority of the games I buy are in part motivated by nostalgia.

Sir, I think you need to know the word "familiarity" and its meaning.

familiarity fəmɪlɪˈarɪti/noun noun: familiarity1. close acquaintance with or knowledge of something.

The reason people buy the new Nintendo games is because of familiarity. They know and grew up with those Nintendo franchises. They are "familiar" and "close" with it. There are games that use nostalgia like NSMB especially remakes like OoT3D but mostly, playing the new games don't bring someone back to the past because those new games didn't exist back then. If you want to recapture the feeling and the moment you first played a Mario game in 3D, you don't play Galaxy, you play Super Mario 64. If you want to relive the experience when you just first played a Mario game, playing the original Super Mario Bros. is better than NSMB. It is as simple as that. Retro games don't just vanish and it is these games that can ultimately bring you back to the past hence its affinity with nostalgia.

#35 Posted by nintendoboy16 (28116 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

and here we go with another battle of semantics and spinning.

Mario Golf was made for a mature audience.

Gears of War and Mortal Kombat are for children. Porn too.

That makes no sense in anyway shape or form for the context of the thread...

#36 Edited by lordlors (5728 posts) -

@AzatiS said:

@lordlors: My opinion over this is that ....

Newcomers into video gaming are NOT nostalgic about nothing ...and thats what hurts or will hurt Nintendo more than anything else. As we ( or most of us ) age , we dont play games as we used to or we dont care anymore or whatever the reason ( real life issues in general ) ... its our generation that keeps Nintendo alive imho (console wise at least ). Its our generation that being nostalgic and praising everysingle Mario Kart game or Smash etc ... The guys that now are 40-30- or even 25 around...The youngsters that praising Nintendo gaming let along being nostalgic about there is a small minority now.

What about the new gamers that are 10-12-14-16 !!? Do they care that much ? Dont think so ...let alone being nostalgic about ...Nintendo games we used to play 20 years ago ...well NOT.

Actually, I did not grow up with Nintendo although Super Mario Bros. had a great effect on me. I played it in a kindergarten school but aside from that, all we had in my family was the PC. I still remember the IBM computer where the CPU unit was placed below the monitor in a horizontal manner. I grew up with PC gaming, DOS games, Doom, Starcraft, etc. These were the games of my childhood aside from Pokemon. Wii was actually my very first console.

Nintendo creates a new fanbase and although the number of new Nintendo fans today may be fewer than those in the 80's and 90's, the future of Nintendo rests with them. Without the creation of new fans, Nintendo will die. Those people affected by nostalgia aren't living in the present thus anything new Nintendo makes in the present is of no consequence to them. Instead, remakes of past games are what they need but producing a lot of them is risky in the long term.

#37 Edited by MirkoS77 (8432 posts) -

@lordlors said:

@MirkoS77 said:

@lordlors said:

I have said this before and I will say this again. People here in SW don't seem to understand what "nostalgia" means and how it works differently for games from books and movies. Let's take a look at the definition of the word taken from The Free Dictionary.

nos·tal·gi·a (n-stlj, n-)n.

1. A bittersweet longing for things, persons, or situations of the past.

So when a person gets nostalgic, he is longing for the past and not the present thing. A person affected by nostalgia wouldn't play the new Nintendo games. He/She will prefer or even defend the "past" Nintendo games. So in actuality, the people who yell at Nintendo for using nostalgia to sell their games are the people affected by nostalgia themselves. They refuse to try and see what's something new because all they can see from Nintendo is the "past" Nintendo.

What Nintendo uses in their products to sell isn't nostalgia. It's called "familiarity."

Wtf?

Of course nostalgia can manifest itself in the present software offerings and hold attraction because of it. A person can be overcome with nostalgia in the present by playing a game, and in that sense a game can be made to cater to that feeling in order to help sell it. I play the new Zeldas, the new Marios, etc, not only because they are fun but also because they bring me back to a time of the past of similar enjoyment and feeling. Tons of people play new Nintendo games because of nostalgia, to try to say otherwise is ludicrous.

But you're right....I'm one of those that says Nintendo (and Sony, and MS, and every developer out there) plays upon nostalgia to sell their games, and I'll be the first to admit I'm definitely affected by it myself. And there's nothing wrong with that so I don't know why you're implying there is. As there's so many sequels everywhere today, the majority of the games I buy are in part motivated by nostalgia.

Sir, I think you need to know the word "familiarity" and its meaning.

familiarity fəmɪlɪˈarɪti/noun noun: familiarity1. close acquaintance with or knowledge of something.

The reason people buy the new Nintendo games is because of familiarity. They know and grew up with those Nintendo franchises. They are "familiar" and "close" with it. There are games that use nostalgia like NSMB especially remakes like OoT3D but mostly, playing the new games don't bring someone back to the past because those new games didn't exist back then. If you want to recapture the feeling and the moment you first played a Mario game in 3D, you don't play Galaxy, you play Super Mario 64. If you want to relive the experience when you just first played a Mario game, playing the original Super Mario Bros. is better than NSMB. It is as simple as that. Retro games don't just vanish and it is these games that can ultimately bring you back to the past hence its affinity with nostalgia.

Sir, I think you need to know that "familiarity" is inherent to the definition of nostalgia even though the word's not explicitly stated. That's exactly what nostalgia is. A return to a time of happy sentiment, a time of familiarity that evokes those feelings. You cannot have one without the other. Nor do you need to play the exact game that created those feelings to feel them again. New games accomplish the same damn thing. Just because a game is new doesn't mean it doesn't strike the same chord it did 30 years ago.

Does Mario Galaxy use fundamentally the same game mechanics it did back then? Yes. Does it use the same sound effects? Yes. Does it utilize creative level designs? Yes, all updated but the foundation remains. These are not entirely novel games regardless of their "newness", and people buy and enjoy them, despite what you may believe, partly due to it bringing them back to the past. Yes, these new games did exist back then in a real sense. Obviously iterative changes have been made but they hold the same appeal that they always have. I buy Mario largely due to my past experiences with it. I expect it's going to be a great game from my past time with it. I'm looking forward to reliving my past good times with a new coat of paint.

Nostalgia.

To say it holds no degree of impact on whether people buy and play games in a franchise is asinine and ignorant. A lot of these games appeal is due to nostalgia and there's nothing wrong with that. Again, why do you think there is?

#38 Posted by jg4xchamp (50693 posts) -

@MirkoS77 said:

Sir, I think you need to know that "familiarity" is inherent to the definition of nostalgia even though the word's not explicitly stated. That's exactly what nostalgia is. A return to a time of happy sentiment, a time of familiarity that evokes those feelings. You cannot have one without the other. Nor do you need to play the exact game that created those feelings to feel them again. New games accomplish the same damn thing. Just because a game is new doesn't mean it doesn't strike the same chord it did 30 years ago.

Does Mario Galaxy use fundamentally the same game mechanics it did back then? Yes. Does it use the same sound effects? Yes. Does it utilize creative level designs? Yes, all updated but the foundation remains. These are not entirely novel games regardless of their "newness", and people buy and enjoy them, despite what you may believe, partly due to it bringing them back to the past. Yes, these new games did exist back then in a real sense. Obviously iterative changes have been made but they hold the same appeal that they always have. I buy Mario largely due to my past experiences with it. I expect it's going to be a great game from my past time with it. I'm looking forward to reliving my past good times with a new coat of paint.

Nostalgia.

To say it holds no degree of impact on whether people buy and play games in a franchise is asinine and ignorant. A lot of these games appeal is due to nostalgia and there's nothing wrong with that. Again, why do you think there is?

You're wasting facts, logic, and reasoning on apologists.

#39 Edited by lordlors (5728 posts) -
@MirkoS77 said:

@lordlors said:

@MirkoS77 said:

@lordlors said:

I have said this before and I will say this again. People here in SW don't seem to understand what "nostalgia" means and how it works differently for games from books and movies. Let's take a look at the definition of the word taken from The Free Dictionary.

nos·tal·gi·a (n-stlj, n-)n.

1. A bittersweet longing for things, persons, or situations of the past.

So when a person gets nostalgic, he is longing for the past and not the present thing. A person affected by nostalgia wouldn't play the new Nintendo games. He/She will prefer or even defend the "past" Nintendo games. So in actuality, the people who yell at Nintendo for using nostalgia to sell their games are the people affected by nostalgia themselves. They refuse to try and see what's something new because all they can see from Nintendo is the "past" Nintendo.

What Nintendo uses in their products to sell isn't nostalgia. It's called "familiarity."

Wtf?

Of course nostalgia can manifest itself in the present software offerings and hold attraction because of it. A person can be overcome with nostalgia in the present by playing a game, and in that sense a game can be made to cater to that feeling in order to help sell it. I play the new Zeldas, the new Marios, etc, not only because they are fun but also because they bring me back to a time of the past of similar enjoyment and feeling. Tons of people play new Nintendo games because of nostalgia, to try to say otherwise is ludicrous.

But you're right....I'm one of those that says Nintendo (and Sony, and MS, and every developer out there) plays upon nostalgia to sell their games, and I'll be the first to admit I'm definitely affected by it myself. And there's nothing wrong with that so I don't know why you're implying there is. As there's so many sequels everywhere today, the majority of the games I buy are in part motivated by nostalgia.

Sir, I think you need to know the word "familiarity" and its meaning.

familiarity fəmɪlɪˈarɪti/noun noun: familiarity1. close acquaintance with or knowledge of something.

The reason people buy the new Nintendo games is because of familiarity. They know and grew up with those Nintendo franchises. They are "familiar" and "close" with it. There are games that use nostalgia like NSMB especially remakes like OoT3D but mostly, playing the new games don't bring someone back to the past because those new games didn't exist back then. If you want to recapture the feeling and the moment you first played a Mario game in 3D, you don't play Galaxy, you play Super Mario 64. If you want to relive the experience when you just first played a Mario game, playing the original Super Mario Bros. is better than NSMB. It is as simple as that. Retro games don't just vanish and it is these games that can ultimately bring you back to the past hence its affinity with nostalgia.

Sir, I think you need to know that "familiarity" is inherent to the definition of nostalgia even though the word's not explicitly stated. That's exactly what nostalgia is. A return to a time of happy sentiment, a time of familiarity that evokes those feelings. You cannot have one without the other. Nor do you need to play the exact game that created those feelings to feel them again. New games accomplish the same damn thing. Just because a game is new doesn't mean it doesn't strike the same chord it did 30 years ago.

Does Mario Galaxy use fundamentally the same game mechanics it did back then? Yes. Does it use the same sound effects? Yes. Does it utilize creative level designs? Yes, all updated but the foundation remains. These are not entirely novel games regardless of their "newness", and people buy and enjoy them, despite what you may believe, partly due to it bringing them back to the past. Yes, these new games did exist back then in a real sense. Obviously iterative changes have been made but they hold the same appeal that they always have. I buy Mario largely due to my past experiences with it. I expect it's going to be a great game from my past time with it. I'm looking forward to reliving my past good times with a new coat of paint.

Nostalgia.

To say it holds no degree of impact on whether people buy and play games in a franchise is asinine and ignorant. A lot of these games appeal is due to nostalgia and there's nothing wrong with that. Again, why do you think there is?

"You cannot have one without the other." Lol I'm sorry but one can have familiarity without nostalgia. Just because I'm familiar with something from the past doesn't automatically mean I long for that something. A lot of people are familiar with Mario but I don't see all of them being Mario fans and trying to buy Mario games. I think you need to go back to your English lessons.

As for me, I did not grow up with Nintendo but I have played the past games like OoT3D and SM64 last gen and find them archaic yet still fun to play. I actually don't understand those people always yelling at Nintendo for creating the same games. It isn't. OoT just pales in comparison to other Zelda games because of its dead blank game world. Only people affected with nostalgia might find OoT very enjoyable, reliving those moments from the past.

#40 Posted by Jankarcop (10791 posts) -

Nintendon't

#41 Posted by WallofTruth (2142 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

Its because majority of nintendo fans (NES fans in general) are nastologic. they belive their 80s NES game is better than current PC games.

Wait, what does this have to do with PC?

#42 Posted by Jankarcop (10791 posts) -

@walloftruth said:

@system-reboot said:

Its because majority of nintendo fans (NES fans in general) are nastologic. they belive their 80s NES game is better than current PC games.

Wait, what does this have to do with PC?

PC #1

#43 Posted by MirkoS77 (8432 posts) -

@lordlors said:
@MirkoS77 said:

Sir, I think you need to know that "familiarity" is inherent to the definition of nostalgia even though the word's not explicitly stated. That's exactly what nostalgia is. A return to a time of happy sentiment, a time of familiarity that evokes those feelings. You cannot have one without the other. Nor do you need to play the exact game that created those feelings to feel them again. New games accomplish the same damn thing. Just because a game is new doesn't mean it doesn't strike the same chord it did 30 years ago.

Does Mario Galaxy use fundamentally the same game mechanics it did back then? Yes. Does it use the same sound effects? Yes. Does it utilize creative level designs? Yes, all updated but the foundation remains. These are not entirely novel games regardless of their "newness", and people buy and enjoy them, despite what you may believe, partly due to it bringing them back to the past. Yes, these new games did exist back then in a real sense. Obviously iterative changes have been made but they hold the same appeal that they always have. I buy Mario largely due to my past experiences with it. I expect it's going to be a great game from my past time with it. I'm looking forward to reliving my past good times with a new coat of paint.

Nostalgia.

To say it holds no degree of impact on whether people buy and play games in a franchise is asinine and ignorant. A lot of these games appeal is due to nostalgia and there's nothing wrong with that. Again, why do you think there is?

"You cannot have one without the other." Lol I'm sorry but one can have familiarity without nostalgia. Just because I'm familiar with something from the past doesn't automatically mean I long for that something. A lot of people are familiar with Mario but I don't see all of them being Mario fans and trying to buy Mario games. I think you need to go back to your English lessons.

As for me, I did not grow up with Nintendo but I have played the past games like OoT3D and SM64 last gen and find them archaic yet still fun to play. I actually don't understand those people always yelling at Nintendo for creating the same games. It isn't. OoT just pales in comparison to other Zelda games because of its dead blank game world. Only people affected with nostalgia might find OoT very enjoyable, reliving those moments from the past.

I meant you cannot have nostalgia without familiarity, not vice versa. I did not think the dots needed to be pointed out to be connected with that statement....apparently I was mistaken. If you're going to resort to insults and advise me to take English lessons, I'd advise you first understand how it works yourself.

You've also yet to answer my question, twice asked now, as to why nostalgia is a bad thing?

#44 Posted by lordlors (5728 posts) -
@MirkoS77 said:

@lordlors said:
@MirkoS77 said:

Sir, I think you need to know that "familiarity" is inherent to the definition of nostalgia even though the word's not explicitly stated. That's exactly what nostalgia is. A return to a time of happy sentiment, a time of familiarity that evokes those feelings. You cannot have one without the other. Nor do you need to play the exact game that created those feelings to feel them again. New games accomplish the same damn thing. Just because a game is new doesn't mean it doesn't strike the same chord it did 30 years ago.

Does Mario Galaxy use fundamentally the same game mechanics it did back then? Yes. Does it use the same sound effects? Yes. Does it utilize creative level designs? Yes, all updated but the foundation remains. These are not entirely novel games regardless of their "newness", and people buy and enjoy them, despite what you may believe, partly due to it bringing them back to the past. Yes, these new games did exist back then in a real sense. Obviously iterative changes have been made but they hold the same appeal that they always have. I buy Mario largely due to my past experiences with it. I expect it's going to be a great game from my past time with it. I'm looking forward to reliving my past good times with a new coat of paint.

Nostalgia.

To say it holds no degree of impact on whether people buy and play games in a franchise is asinine and ignorant. A lot of these games appeal is due to nostalgia and there's nothing wrong with that. Again, why do you think there is?

"You cannot have one without the other." Lol I'm sorry but one can have familiarity without nostalgia. Just because I'm familiar with something from the past doesn't automatically mean I long for that something. A lot of people are familiar with Mario but I don't see all of them being Mario fans and trying to buy Mario games. I think you need to go back to your English lessons.

As for me, I did not grow up with Nintendo but I have played the past games like OoT3D and SM64 last gen and find them archaic yet still fun to play. I actually don't understand those people always yelling at Nintendo for creating the same games. It isn't. OoT just pales in comparison to other Zelda games because of its dead blank game world. Only people affected with nostalgia might find OoT very enjoyable, reliving those moments from the past.

I meant you cannot have nostalgia without familiarity, not vice versa. I did not think the dots needed to be pointed out to be connected with that statement....apparently I was mistaken. If you're going to resort to insults and advise me to take English lessons, I'd advise you first understand how it works yourself.

You've also yet to answer my question, twice asked now, as to why nostalgia is a bad thing?

Then that defeats your argument that people who buy the new Nintendo games are fueled by nostalgia. Familiarity does not equals to nostalgia. Sure nostalgia requires familiarity but what does that prove? Nostalgia isn't a bad thing per se, but it blinds someone of the new and the present. Someone who is captured by nostalgia can't enjoy Galaxy because he yearns for SM64 or Super Mario World.

I play Starcraft 2 MP. Starcraft Brood War was a big part of my childhood. Playing SC2 doesn't make me feel nostalgic at all but I'm very familiar with SC. It is hearing the music from the original Brood War and not 2 that makes me feel nostalgic, something that is truly from the past and not from the present.

#45 Posted by MirkoS77 (8432 posts) -

@lordlors said:

Then that defeats your argument that people who buy the new Nintendo games are fueled by nostalgia. Familiarity does not equals to nostalgia. Sure nostalgia requires familiarity but what does that prove? Nostalgia isn't a bad thing per se, but it blinds someone of the new and the present. Someone who is captured by nostalgia can't enjoy Galaxy because he yearns for SM64 or Super Mario World.

I play Starcraft 2 MP. Starcraft Brood War was a big part of my childhood. Playing SC2 doesn't make me feel nostalgic at all but I'm very familiar with SC. It is hearing the music from the original Brood War and not 2 that makes me feel nostalgic, something that is truly from the past and not from the present.

Well, we'll just have to agree to part ways then.

I feel nostalgic when I play any new game from a longstanding franchise, and I'm not ashamed to admit that that feeling plays a part in my purchases and enjoyment of them. I buy games like Galaxy because they're not only good on their own merits, but they retain elements from past games that bring me back to a time and a feeling that I really enjoyed. That's not blinding me to the present, it's just helping me connect to the past while in the present. I'm not thinking of SM64 and SMW while playing Galaxy either, because SMG is filling that craving but they do compliment the experience with familiarity, which is essentially what nostalgia is, just under a different name.

You don't have to relive the past exactly the way it was to be nostalgic. If I hear something in the present that is similar to what was in the past (like the Metroid series scores), I get nostalgic. It doesn't need to be exact, but as you say......just familiar. Truth be told, I don't think I'd enjoy gaming nearly as much if nostalgia did not play some part in it.

#46 Edited by GreySeal9 (25237 posts) -

@MirkoS77 said:

You've also yet to answer my question, twice asked now, as to why nostalgia is a bad thing?

Probably because of the negative way the word is used on this forum. It is used to downplay the praise Nintendo games get by people who are frustrated at Nintendo's ability to still garner such positive critical reception.

In reality, nostalgia is not a bad thing (and you make excellent points), but I do think that nostalgia does blind some people. For instance, most of the people who claim that Super Mario 64 is a better game than Super Mario Galaxy. IMO, it takes a certain amount of nostalgia to not see how clunky its controls and level design are in comparison to Galaxy. This doesn't just apply to Nintendo games either: people who claim that Resident Evils 1-3 are better than 4 are usually blinded by nostalgia as well. However, that's not to say there's anything wrong with liking the old games better.

#47 Edited by GreySeal9 (25237 posts) -
@Renegade_Fury said:

New Super Mario Bros., Donkey Kong Country Returns, Pokemon X & Y, A Link Between Worlds, and so on, all seem to be geared towards a nostalgic fanbase to me.

Nostalgia works both ways. There are some people that think everything Nintendo makes now is crap compared to yesteryear, and then there are those that are still so wrapped up in the Nintendo mystique from their childhood, that they're blind to any legitimate flaws.

I really don't think these types are that numerous. For instance, I haven't ever encountered a Nintendo fan who overlooks everything Skyward Sword did wrong. Some criticize the game more than others, but almost everyone seems to agree that that game has some issues.

#48 Posted by Alcapello (1309 posts) -

Sony is working on a cure, it seem to be working lol.

#49 Posted by nintendoboy16 (28116 posts) -

@alcapello said:

Sony is working on a cure, it seem to be working lol.

Yeah... no.

#50 Posted by turtlethetaffer (17198 posts) -

The only people that use the nostalgia argument against Nintendo are filled with jelly anyways.