Is easier on the eyes?...i popped in a psone game the other day and i just couldnt play it. But i was playing all those classic sega and nintendo games on the wii for hours....it was way easier on the eyes and the games was lime 10 year older
Yeah, pinnacle is the wrong word for it, but it was at that point that most 2d games were looking great. On the flip side, most early 3d games were looking a mess.
Yeah, pinnacle is the wrong word for it, but it was at that point that most 2d games were looking great. On the flip side, most early 3d games were looking a mess.
Mario 64 has a better aesthetic than games of today. Nintendo has some great artists. I agree generally the 16bit era has better stuff, but there's also a lot of garbage. The bad 2d stuff is just as bad.
Not only are you comparing polished sprite work with early polygon work (it's kinda like Atari 2600 in 3D), earlier consoles have crappier video signals, even when using the same video cables (for example Wii composite > N64 composite). Try using a s-video or scart rgb cable on the PsOne.
Limitations due to the jump is a big factor, but I'd say art style is equally important as well. A lot of the "realistic" games from the fifth and sixth gens looks like ass now.
Limitations due to the jump is a big factor, but I'd say art style is equally important as well. A lot of the "realistic" games from the fifth and sixth gens looks like ass now.
I get what some of you are saying, but the pinnacle of 2D graphics will always be right now, regardless of the popularity of the style at any given moment.
@playharderfool: Still have my 4meg cart sitting in a desk drawer. The console bit the dust some time ago, but I continue to hang onto the cart for some reason. Of course XM vs. SF is one of the only discs from my old Saturn stash that I can't get running on my PC. Doh!
Loved my Saturn.. sort of a poor mans Neo Geo for me. And definitely a contender for "pinnacle of 2D graphics".
I get what some of you are saying, but the pinnacle of 2D graphics will always be right now, regardless of the popularity of the style at any given moment.
I need to play that still. I remember seeing pictures of it and thinking "it is about time people drop the 'retro' look and actually utilize modern hardware." That and Mirumasa are the exceptions though. I still think the best stuff is from the past. The really good stuff had more of a cell-animation look, whereas this still retains some of that "flash look" to it. Still a beautiful game. Comparing it to Street Fighter III?
I tried looking for actual arcade footage but i'm not sure.
What game was that anyway? More often than not it's not about a game looking to much like crap to play, wen in fact it plays to much like crap. Most of the well known 3D games from the 5th generation pushed the consoles to squeeze out every bit of power the developers at the time could muster, which lead to, at the time, unbelievable graphics, but horrid framerates with input lag, which combined with unintuitive control schemes, made these games "age" badly.
I don't have a problem playing with anything from any generation as long as it's a quality title that's responsive and enjoyable for me.
Not only are you comparing polished sprite work with early polygon work (it's kinda like Atari 2600 in 3D), earlier consoles have crappier video signals, even when using the same video cables (for example Wii composite > N64 composite). Try using a s-video or scart rgb cable on the PsOne.
Atari 2600 is easier to look at then Resident Evil or Tomb Raider.
I get what some of you are saying, but the pinnacle of 2D graphics will always be right now, regardless of the popularity of the style at any given moment.
Yep. Graphics can rely on the tech, so its logical that the most current will be capable of producing the best. As for why the TC had more fun with the older games? Maybe they were more fun to you? Like I have said many times here, fun is the only standard I judge by and it's completely subjective. But once we got 3D worlds it seems some gamers really got hooked on graphics imo. There were always graphics whores but man, it has really become something in the 3D age. I have friends who cant go back and play Deus Ex, Half Life, Soul Reaver, even MGS2 and 3!! Just because the graphics aren't as detailed. I thank God I am not one of these people. Its such a pathetic, "what do ya got next?!!!" type of mentality with no depth or love of the medium imo.
I always thought that the Sega Genesis was more powerful than the SNES. Both legendary systems though. The pinnacle of gaming :)
It had a slightly faster CPU but it was inferior to the Snes at literally everything else. That's why games on Genesis tend to have faster gameplay but worse everything else from colors to effects, sprites, etc.
The Sega Master on the other hand was superior to the Nes in every way and form.
I get what some of you are saying, but the pinnacle of 2D graphics will always be right now, regardless of the popularity of the style at any given moment.
I need to play that still. I remember seeing pictures of it and thinking "it is about time people drop the 'retro' look and actually utilize modern hardware." That and Mirumasa are the exceptions though. I still think the best stuff is from the past. The really good stuff had more of a cell-animation look, whereas this still retains some of that "flash look" to it. Still a beautiful game. Comparing it to Street Fighter III?
I tried looking for actual arcade footage but i'm not sure.
Its impossible to retain the level of detail of Dragon's Crown and still have it be a frame-by-frame hand drawn game. It achieves its animation by meshing traditional frame drawing and art-asset warping, a bit like Flash animation, but not shit.
If you want a recent example of 100% frame-by-frame hand drawn 2D game, Warioland Shake Dimension/Shake it on Wii has that. And its fucking glorious!!
I get what some of you are saying, but the pinnacle of 2D graphics will always be right now, regardless of the popularity of the style at any given moment.
Yep. Graphics can rely on the tech, so its logical that the most current will be capable of producing the best. As for why the TC had more fun with the older games? Maybe they were more fun to you? Like I have said many times here, fun is the only standard I judge by and it's completely subjective. But once we got 3D worlds it seems some gamers really got hooked on graphics imo. There were always graphics whores but man, it has really become something in the 3D age. I have friends who cant go back and play Deus Ex, Half Life, Soul Reaver, even MGS2 and 3!! Just because the graphics aren't as detailed. I thank God I am not one of these people. Its such a pathetic, "what do ya got next?!!!" type of mentality with no depth or love of the medium imo.
I cant go back because outside of the graphics there are too many current games to play to bother playing older ones.
I get what some of you are saying, but the pinnacle of 2D graphics will always be right now, regardless of the popularity of the style at any given moment.
Yep. Graphics can rely on the tech, so its logical that the most current will be capable of producing the best. As for why the TC had more fun with the older games? Maybe they were more fun to you? Like I have said many times here, fun is the only standard I judge by and it's completely subjective. But once we got 3D worlds it seems some gamers really got hooked on graphics imo. There were always graphics whores but man, it has really become something in the 3D age. I have friends who cant go back and play Deus Ex, Half Life, Soul Reaver, even MGS2 and 3!! Just because the graphics aren't as detailed. I thank God I am not one of these people. Its such a pathetic, "what do ya got next?!!!" type of mentality with no depth or love of the medium imo.
I cant go back because outside of the graphics there are too many current games to play to bother playing older ones.
You know something brother, maybe that's why I never get close to clearing a back list. I love going back and playing old favorites.
I get what some of you are saying, but the pinnacle of 2D graphics will always be right now, regardless of the popularity of the style at any given moment.
Yep. Graphics can rely on the tech, so its logical that the most current will be capable of producing the best. As for why the TC had more fun with the older games? Maybe they were more fun to you? Like I have said many times here, fun is the only standard I judge by and it's completely subjective. But once we got 3D worlds it seems some gamers really got hooked on graphics imo. There were always graphics whores but man, it has really become something in the 3D age. I have friends who cant go back and play Deus Ex, Half Life, Soul Reaver, even MGS2 and 3!! Just because the graphics aren't as detailed. I thank God I am not one of these people. Its such a pathetic, "what do ya got next?!!!" type of mentality with no depth or love of the medium imo.
I cant go back because outside of the graphics there are too many current games to play to bother playing older ones.
You know something brother, maybe that's why I never get close to clearing a back list. I love going back and playing old favorites.
I'll play gen 7 console games, but thats about it.
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