Why gamepads are not good for FPSs (clearly my opinion and not fact)

I FINALLY GOT THIS PIECE of **** set up ....CONTROLLER SUPPORT IS FUXED tho compared to DNF.

can you even set up 1 vs 1 railgun only matches on quake live?

my names bongsmoker166 on quake noob live

this quake live's so easy with a 360 controller.

I feel like a dumbass playing a freeware noob friendly version of a game i bought back in 1999.

I feel like a dumbass playing a freeware noob friendly version of a game i bought back in 1999.

heeeeeeeeeweeee

Ok, your trollish tactics are just boring now. You were funny at first, but now your use of caps lock and the word 'noob' are just annoying. I really hope you play against him and do in fact use a gamepad (though if... when he does lose, he will just say "gamepad support was messed up" or "if it were DNF, you know, the real man's game, I wouldn't have lost").

EDIT: Oh, and I'm sure your first five words of that sentense are quite accurate.

[QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"]

I feel like a dumbass playing a freeware noob friendly version of a game i bought back in 1999.

arto1223

Ok, your trollish tactics are just boring now. You were funny at first, but now your use of caps lock and the word 'noob' are just annoying. I really hope you play against him and do in fact use a gamepad (though if... when he does lose, he will just say "gamepad support was messed up" or "if it were DNF, you know, the real man's game, I wouldn't have lost").

EDIT: Oh, and I'm sure your first five words of that sentense are quite accurate.

i had to do all kind of adjusting for the freelook and it still aint right.

i played quake since 1996 im pretty sure i'll kick his ass even with 360 controller though if he was real quake vet kb & m user id lose.

I friend invited you just now, unfortunately there is no rail only unless I was a pro subscriber so I could host, I am only premium. We can play ZTN(Bloodrun) duel map, there is a rail right near the spawn. Once you accept I'll join a server and you can follow via friends.
Well are you ready? It's been like 20 minuts lol.

I friend invited you just now, unfortunately there is no rail only unless I was a pro subscriber so I could host, I am only premium. We can play ZTN(Bloodrun) duel map, there is a rail right near the spawn. Once you accept I'll join a server and you can follow via friends.
Well are you ready? It's been like 20 minuts lol.

JigglyWiggly_

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

I friend invited you just now, unfortunately there is no rail only unless I was a pro subscriber so I could host, I am only premium. We can play ZTN(Bloodrun) duel map, there is a rail right near the spawn. Once you accept I'll join a server and you can follow via friends.
Well are you ready? It's been like 20 minuts lol.

DragonfireXZ95

yes and the difference between mouse and keyboard you have alittle more precision with mouse and can turn faster.

i can do all the same movement **** as playing with a keyboard if the person isnt really a good mouse user controller player could kick their ass.

K/M = laser eyes.
Gamepad = pissing contest.

I take laser eyes.
Dual analogue is superbad for FPS. A lot of people just had to get used to them.
That is why it's funny to see the biggest success on consoles, FPS.
The majority of console gamers don't have the option to use a PC.

Think of it like this. Controllers are so limited, developers needed to give an auto-aim assist just to help the player.

Keyboard/mouse users do not need such a thing.

Think of it like this. Controllers are so limited, developers needed to give an auto-aim assist just to help the player.

Keyboard/mouse users do not need such a thing.

Crazyguy105

you dont need auto aim on a controller that's just for people who really suck.

if everyone has a controller it doesnt matter.

[QUOTE="Crazyguy105"]

Think of it like this. Controllers are so limited, developers needed to give an auto-aim assist just to help the player.

Keyboard/mouse users do not need such a thing.

heeeeeeeeeweeee

you dont need auto aim on a controller that's just for people who really suck.

if everyone has a controller it doesnt matter.

Many games on consoles do allow the option to turn it off but most don't really turn it off. When I play Black Ops with my brother on his PS3 I always turn it of but can still tell that the aiming is affected when enemy players walk in front of me. Really pisses me off.

BUT... this thread is not really about the crapy aiming that analog stick provide or the issues with the triggers and bumpers. Is there no one that has a defense point against the things I said in my original post? I expected a couple things at least. Maybe it is just late. I guess I'm off to bed and look forward to all the posts that pile up till then.

[QUOTE="Crazyguy105"]

Think of it like this. Controllers are so limited, developers needed to give an auto-aim assist just to help the player.

Keyboard/mouse users do not need such a thing.

heeeeeeeeeweeee

you dont need auto aim on a controller that's just for people who really suck.

if everyone has a controller it doesnt matter.

Bingo. Controller users don't stand a chance against keyboard/mouse users.

[QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"]

[QUOTE="Crazyguy105"]

Think of it like this. Controllers are so limited, developers needed to give an auto-aim assist just to help the player.

Keyboard/mouse users do not need such a thing.

arto1223

you dont need auto aim on a controller that's just for people who really suck.

if everyone has a controller it doesnt matter.

Many games on consoles do allow the option to turn it off but most don't really turn it off. When I play Black Ops with my brother on his PS3 I always turn it of but can still tell that the aiming is affected when enemy players walk in front of me. Really pisses me off.

BUT... this thread is not really about the crapy aiming that analog stick provide or the issues with the triggers and bumpers. Is there no one that has a defense point against the things I said in my original post? I expected a couple things at least. Maybe it is just late. I guess I'm off to bed and look forward to all the posts that pile up till then.

if everyone has a controller there should be no auto aim that's more legit than everyone having auto aim.

[QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"]

[QUOTE="Crazyguy105"]

Think of it like this. Controllers are so limited, developers needed to give an auto-aim assist just to help the player.

Keyboard/mouse users do not need such a thing.

Crazyguy105

you dont need auto aim on a controller that's just for people who really suck.

if everyone has a controller it doesnt matter.

Bingo. Controller users don't stand a chance against keyboard/mouse users.

they can put up a fight lol.

[QUOTE="Crazyguy105"]

[QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"]

you dont need auto aim on a controller that's just for people who really suck.

if everyone has a controller it doesnt matter.

heeeeeeeeeweeee

Bingo. Controller users don't stand a chance against keyboard/mouse users.

they can put up a fight lol.

Yeah, maybe in Call of Duty where its piss easy to get kills.

Play something like Quake or Counter Strike and they're ruined. LOL

[QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"]

[QUOTE="Crazyguy105"]

Bingo. Controller users don't stand a chance against keyboard/mouse users.

Crazyguy105

they can put up a fight lol.

Yeah, maybe in Call of Duty where its piss easy to get kills.

Play something like Quake or Counter Strike and they're ruined. LOL

still put up a fight if u can get sensitivity right for up and down in quake 3 on analog stick.

id have to sit here for **** hour adjusting all this **** though lol.

Requested a video of the fight, well here we go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJN1VvfHO4M&feature=youtu.be

Also again keep in mind this is a DEMO file, a recording of what the server logged me do, so actions are not 1:1.

Requested a video of the fight, well here we go.

Also again keep in mind this is a DEMO file, a recording of what the server logged me do, so actions are not 1:1.

JigglyWiggly_

Jiggly you on steam?

Requested a video of the fight, well here we go.

Also again keep in mind this is a DEMO file, a recording of what the server logged me do, so actions are not 1:1.

JigglyWiggly_

Some people are better with KB+M. Some people are better with joypads. That's all there is to it.

Tikeio

Hence I have a spare USB Mouse and Keyboard for my PS3 (which CAN use them)in case I do play FPS games on it (in fact I did sowith Unreal Tournament 3).

Hence I have a spare USB Mouse and Keyboard for my PS3 (which CAN use them)in case I do play FPS games on it (in fact I did sowith Unreal Tournament 3).

Sailor_Enlil

Umm, isn't that the only PS3 FPS that allows that? I'm sure there has to be at least some others, but I bet none are very well known.

Congrats on the victory JW, and nice to see you did show up HeeeeeWeee. Not too often do people actually follow through on things like that over the internet.

i can go between both and not complain

Hence I have a spare USB Mouse and Keyboard for my PS3 (which CAN use them)in case I do play FPS games on it (in fact I did sowith Unreal Tournament 3).

Sailor_Enlil

Requested a video of the fight, well here we go.

Also again keep in mind this is a DEMO file, a recording of what the server logged me do, so actions are not 1:1.

JigglyWiggly_

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

Requested a video of the fight, well here we go.

Also again keep in mind this is a DEMO file, a recording of what the server logged me do, so actions are not 1:1.

Kevz0

Isn't this heeeeweeee fellow the same one that goes on and on about how he can max a lot of games with his 8600gts and 8800gt on some AMD X2 pc or something like that?

I understand the physical limitations of joypads but your arguement about how it's difficult to move and preform certain actions simultaneously is two-sided.

A) you never have to move your hands or look at them to preform any joypad action at any time. In Morrowind(just as an example) yeas I have a ton of hotkeys but going from wasd to "9" is a pain for me.

B) There are 4 triggers on pretty much all joypads now, makes it easy to do many actions on the fly.

C) Joypads have pressure sensitive buttons now, sometimes allowing for multiple uses out of only one button.

I think it pretty much balances out.

Perhaps MS should do another study this time with mouse/keyboard, controller, and Kinect. :lol:

I'm willing to bet they do behind closed doors.

If you don't think it's a fact, then why is it your opinion?Yodas_Boy

For me personally, it is a fact that I prefer a m/kb for playing shooters (and other genres but not all) over using a gamepad. There are still people that will prefer a gamepad over m/kb therefore I can't really pass it off as a fact.

i can go between both and not complain

Chris_Williams

I can to. I do very well against players on consoles, but that doesn't change my opinion that there is a very big design flaw when it comes to gamepads and shooters.

quake live

no 360 pad support.

heeeeeeeeeweeee

[QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"]

quake live

no 360 pad support.

CaptainAhab13

it supports the pad and i played against jiggywiggy dude in this thread in quake live i was hitting him even when my sensitivity wasnt adjust perfect he had more accuracy due to mouse though.

[QUOTE="CaptainAhab13"][QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"]

quake live

no 360 pad support.

heeeeeeeeeweeee

it supports the pad and i played against jiggywiggy dude in this thread in quake live i was hitting him even when my sensitivity wasnt adjust perfect he had more accuracy due to mouse though.

[QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"]

[QUOTE="CaptainAhab13"] ...there's a reason for that.Firebird-5

it supports the pad and i played against jiggywiggy dude in this thread in quake live i was hitting him even when my sensitivity wasnt adjust perfect he had more accuracy due to mouse though.

not really his movement wasnt any better he was rocket jumping and i was still rocket jumping like him

LOL he didnt think i would be able to rocket jump.

i wasnt playing serious because my controls werent set up to play serious quake 3 has like 10 different sliders i gotta adjust for my freelooking.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"][QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"]

it supports the pad and i played against jiggywiggy dude in this thread in quake live i was hitting him even when my sensitivity wasnt adjust perfect he had more accuracy due to mouse though.

heeeeeeeeeweeee

not really his movement wasnt any better he was rocket jumping and i was still rocket jumping like him

LOL he didnt think i would be able to rocket jump.

i wasnt playing serious because my controls werent set up to play serious quake 3 has like 10 different sliders i gotta adjust for my freelooking.

[QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"] he absolutely dominated you. such as it always is when its m/kb vs controllerFirebird-5

not really his movement wasnt any better he was rocket jumping and i was still rocket jumping like him

LOL he didnt think i would be able to rocket jump.

i wasnt playing serious because my controls werent set up to play serious quake 3 has like 10 different sliders i gotta adjust for my freelooking.

it's not excuses i could of been more accurate with my aiming on the controller if my freelook was adjusted properly.

i didnt have enough time to **** with 10 different sliders for the freelook on the controller.

i swear to god i wasnt playing serious.

Coming from a controller, m/kb feels unwieldy.

A day later, once you've gotten a little more used to it, controllers feel extremely clunky in fps.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"][QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"]

not really his movement wasnt any better he was rocket jumping and i was still rocket jumping like him

LOL he didnt think i would be able to rocket jump.

i wasnt playing serious because my controls werent set up to play serious quake 3 has like 10 different sliders i gotta adjust for my freelooking.

heeeeeeeeeweeee

it's not excuses i could of been more accurate with my aiming on the controller if my freelook was adjusted properly.

i didnt have enough time to **** with 10 different sliders for the freelook on the controller.

i swear to god i wasnt playing serious.

[QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"] he absolutely dominated you. such as it always is when its m/kb vs controllerFirebird-5

not really his movement wasnt any better he was rocket jumping and i was still rocket jumping like him

LOL he didnt think i would be able to rocket jump.

i wasnt playing serious because my controls werent set up to play serious quake 3 has like 10 different sliders i gotta adjust for my freelooking.

Seriously, even when this dude has a fame of spamming/trolling what he says makes sense. Also we don't know when was the last time he played Quake 3 and Jiggly is apparently a frequent and experienced Ql player so it's not all that fair to reach for fast conclusions. At least let's hope heeeeweeee wont smack talk in the future, because he got totally owned.

Requested a video of the fight, well here we go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJN1VvfHO4M&feature=youtu.be

Also again keep in mind this is a DEMO file, a recording of what the server logged me do, so actions are not 1:1.

JigglyWiggly_

In summary;

If he played me in duke nukem forever i would of done better because the controller support is easier to get to feel how i want it to.

All these sliders are for the analog freelook dude i didnt have enough time to **** with all this **** and get my freelook feeling how i usually play.

SWEAR TO GOD KIDS.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"][QUOTE="heeeeeeeeeweeee"]

not really his movement wasnt any better he was rocket jumping and i was still rocket jumping like him

LOL he didnt think i would be able to rocket jump.

i wasnt playing serious because my controls werent set up to play serious quake 3 has like 10 different sliders i gotta adjust for my freelooking.

glez13

Seriously, even when this dude has a fame of spamming/trolling what he says makes sense. Also we don't know when was the last time he played Quake 3 and he was Jiggly is apparently a frequent and experienced Ql player so it's not all that fair to reach for fast conclusions. At least let's hope heeeeweeee wont smack talk in the future, because he got totally owned.

If he played me in duke nukem forever i would of done better because the controller support is easier to get to feel how i want it to.

All these sliders are for the analog freelook dude i didnt have enough time to **** with all this **** and get my freelook feeling how i usually play.

SWEAR TO GOD KIDS.

heeeeeeeeeweeee

You got owned by using a vastly inferior control method.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

Requested a video of the fight, well here we go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJN1VvfHO4M&feature=youtu.be

Also again keep in mind this is a DEMO file, a recording of what the server logged me do, so actions are not 1:1.

ChubbyGuy40

In summary;

no because i wasnt playing serious dumbass i swear to god how can i play serious if my controller isnt set up how i normally play?

i was just running around shooting.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

Requested a video of the fight, well here we go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJN1VvfHO4M&feature=youtu.be

Also again keep in mind this is a DEMO file, a recording of what the server logged me do, so actions are not 1:1.

heeeeeeeeeweeee

In summary;

no because i wasnt playing serious dumbass i swear to god how can i play serious if my controller isnt set up how i normally play?

i was just running around shooting.

no because i wasnt playing serious dumbass i swear to god how can i play serious if my controller isnt set up how i normally play?

i was just running around shooting.

heeeeeeeeeweeee

Don't accept a challenge to try and prove something if you're not gonna play seriously.