Why does everyone believe the PS4/XBOX will be much better than the Wii U?

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#1 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -

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#2 Posted by Badosh (12727 posts) -
Why do you believe they won't?
#3 Posted by Heil68 (43414 posts) -
Because the Wiiu is barely better than 7 year old consoles now.
#4 Posted by lundy86_4 (42979 posts) -

Magic.

#5 Posted by TheEroica (13301 posts) -
Because the Wiiu is barley better than 7 year old consoles now. Heil68
Damn it heil! You fuking nailed it. I was about to say the same
#6 Posted by fr3ddiemercury (453 posts) -

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illmatic8582

Because the 360, ps3 were much better than the Wii?

#7 Posted by MonsieurX (29483 posts) -
[QUOTE="illmatic8582"]

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fr3ddiemercury
Because the 360, ps3 were much beter than the Wii?

So?
#8 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -
Because the Wiiu is barely better than 7 year old consoles now. Heil68
We really do not know that as a fact, it might take a year or two to come to that conclusion, your just speculating.
#9 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -
Why do you believe they won't? Badosh
I saw how the graphics jump from snes-n64 was, then ps1 to xbox, and xbox to ps3. Those were huge graphics and technological jumps, I don't see graphics getting that better (of course I hope I'm wrong but I don't see it)
#10 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -

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fr3ddiemercury

Because the 360, ps3 were much better than the Wii?

That's a fact, but the Wii U was gimped from the gate we all new it was. And motion controls suck.
#11 Posted by SRW-MKII (147 posts) -

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illmatic8582
Because they know nothing about those two, hence they could hype and dream about it much as they want. Wii-U on the other hand, is already out so they are able to talk about its flaws and only the flaws while ignoring the positive. Once the facts about those two consoles comes in the disillusion process will start and people will begin to bash all three consoles.
#12 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -
[QUOTE="Heil68"]Because the Wiiu is barely better than 7 year old consoles now. illmatic8582
We really do not know that as a fact, it might take a year or two to come to that conclusion, your just speculating.

We can only speculate based on the software we've seen thus far, but devs seem to agree. "However, Hayashi does not dispute that Wii Us spec sheet isnt much of a leap over current-generation consoles, if it is at all" http://www.edge-online.com/news/ninja-gaiden-3-producer-defends-wii-u-cpu-insists-console-is-definitely-next-generation/
#13 Posted by PAL360 (26704 posts) -

Because PS4 and Xbox 3 are supposed to be significantly more powerful than PS3 and 360, which are just slightly weaker than WiiU. Let's not forget that, unlike Nintendo, Sony and MS consoles are known for their massive third party support. Seems logical

#14 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -
[QUOTE="illmatic8582"][QUOTE="Heil68"]Because the Wiiu is barely better than 7 year old consoles now. MFDOOM1983
We really do not know that as a fact, it might take a year or two to come to that conclusion, your just speculating.

We can only speculate based on the software we've seen thus far, but devs seem to agree. "However, Hayashi does not dispute that Wii Us spec sheet isnt much of a leap over current-generation consoles, if it is at all" http://www.edge-online.com/news/ninja-gaiden-3-producer-defends-wii-u-cpu-insists-console-is-definitely-next-generation/

Very good answer, but I do have a hard time believing devs anymore. How many times have we heard in the past 2-3 years that the XBOX360/PS3 were maxed out? Or that all games will be 1080p? I think most are full of it...
#15 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -

Because PS4 and Xbox 3 are supposed to be significantly more powerful than PS3 and 360, which are just slightly weaker than WiiU. Let's not forget that, unlike Nintendo, Sony and MS consoles are known for their massive third party support. Seems logical

PAL360

3rd party studios are spending time and resources developing new engines for consoles that are only marginally more powerful than the previous generation. Seems logical:P

#16 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -

Because PS4 and Xbox 3 are supposed to be significantly more powerful than PS3 and 360, which are just slightly weaker than WiiU. Let's not forget that, unlike Nintendo, Sony and MS consoles are known for their massive third party support. Seems logical

PAL360
If we are going by logic, the Vita should outsell the 3DS because it is superior in every way. I know I have them both, but one is failing miserably. Let's not forget about how much money both companies lost. Do you think they will be that quick to release a console that will set them back financially?
#18 Posted by Chris_Williams (14874 posts) -
[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Because PS4 and Xbox 3 are supposed to be significantly more powerful than PS3 and 360, which are just slightly weaker than WiiU. Let's not forget that, unlike Nintendo, Sony and MS consoles are known for their massive third party support. Seems logical

illmatic8582
If we are going by logic, the Vita should outsell the 3DS because it is superior in every way. I know I have them both, but one is failing miserably. Let's not forget about how much money both companies lost. Do you think they will be that quick to release a console that will set them back financially?

ughhh, you know the 3DS wasn't selling that well, thats kind of why they gave it a huggge price cut after it being on the market for like 5 months or something, vita needs that same price cut and the playing field would be even.
#19 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22416 posts) -

[QUOTE="illmatic8582"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Because PS4 and Xbox 3 are supposed to be significantly more powerful than PS3 and 360, which are just slightly weaker than WiiU. Let's not forget that, unlike Nintendo, Sony and MS consoles are known for their massive third party support. Seems logical

Chris_Williams

If we are going by logic, the Vita should outsell the 3DS because it is superior in every way. I know I have them both, but one is failing miserably. Let's not forget about how much money both companies lost. Do you think they will be that quick to release a console that will set them back financially?

ughhh, you know the 3DS wasn't selling that well, thats kind of why they gave it a huggge price cut after it being on the market for like 5 months or something, vita needs that same price cut and the playing field would be even.

A price cut is useless without any games to back it up.

#20 Posted by Chris_Williams (14874 posts) -

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="illmatic8582"] If we are going by logic, the Vita should outsell the 3DS because it is superior in every way. I know I have them both, but one is failing miserably. Let's not forget about how much money both companies lost. Do you think they will be that quick to release a console that will set them back financially?Shinobishyguy

ughhh, you know the 3DS wasn't selling that well, thats kind of why they gave it a huggge price cut after it being on the market for like 5 months or something, vita needs that same price cut and the playing field would be even.

A price cut is useless without any games to back it up.

there are always games, always
#21 Posted by PAL360 (26704 posts) -

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Because PS4 and Xbox 3 are supposed to be significantly more powerful than PS3 and 360, which are just slightly weaker than WiiU. Let's not forget that, unlike Nintendo, Sony and MS consoles are known for their massive third party support. Seems logical

illmatic8582

If we are going by logic, the Vita should outsell the 3DS because it is superior in every way. I know I have them both, but one is failing miserably. Let's not forget about how much money both companies lost. Do you think they will be that quick to release a console that will set them back financially?

Different targets/markets. Vita is clearly more powerful, but i think handheld fans are perfectly fine with 3DS graphics. I also said that third party support matters. I think you missed that part.

#22 Posted by YearoftheSnake5 (7180 posts) -

It's an assumption. We don't know anything regarding what Microsoft and Sony are coming up with, so people run off of rumors as if they're facts. Sort of like how it was prior to the Wii U launch - Mr. Anonymous A says this, Mr. Anonymous B says that, etc, etc.

#23 Posted by locopatho (20177 posts) -
Because considering all the power that has to go into running the gamepad, end of the day the WiiU is the same or weaker then PS3 and 360. And it would be insane/impossible for PS4/720 to be weaker then their previous consoles :?
#25 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -

[QUOTE="illmatic8582"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Because PS4 and Xbox 3 are supposed to be significantly more powerful than PS3 and 360, which are just slightly weaker than WiiU. Let's not forget that, unlike Nintendo, Sony and MS consoles are known for their massive third party support. Seems logical

PAL360

If we are going by logic, the Vita should outsell the 3DS because it is superior in every way. I know I have them both, but one is failing miserably. Let's not forget about how much money both companies lost. Do you think they will be that quick to release a console that will set them back financially?

Different targets/markets. Vita is clearly more powerful, but i think handheld fans are perfectly fine with 3DS graphics. I also said that third party support matters. I think you missed that part.

I would be surprised if the big hitter 3rd party games being released early in the year will def see themselves ported on the Wii U by Q1 2014. Although it sucks to wait a year they will definitely show up
#26 Posted by DerekLoffin (8753 posts) -
Because it would be hard not to be. As others have said, WiiU competes with PS3 and 360 for power. It has a bit of an edge I think, but barely. MS and Sony would have to pump out a pretty gimped console to not beat WiiU in power by a fair amount.
#27 Posted by fernandmondego_ (3170 posts) -
Cause the WiiU can't compete with 32GB of Ram and Quad GPU's.
#28 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -
Because it would be hard not to be. As others have said, WiiU competes with PS3 and 360 for power. It has a bit of an edge I think, but barely. MS and Sony would have to pump out a pretty gimped console to not beat WiiU in power by a fair amount.DerekLoffin
Agreed, but the PS2 was much weaker than the Gamecube and Xbox, yet bc of user install base games were made for the PS2 and ported to the others. Although the new XBOX and PS4 will be more powerful than the Wii U, will it be powerful to the point that games cannot be ported amongst the three systems? I doubt it...
#29 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -
Cause the WiiU can't compete with 32GB of Ram and Quad GPU's.fernandmondego_
I'm not a developer, nor are most people on this website, stop throwing numbers and jargon at me lol
#30 Posted by DerekLoffin (8753 posts) -
[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Because it would be hard not to be. As others have said, WiiU competes with PS3 and 360 for power. It has a bit of an edge I think, but barely. MS and Sony would have to pump out a pretty gimped console to not beat WiiU in power by a fair amount.illmatic8582
Agreed, but the PS2 was much weaker than the Gamecube and Xbox, yet bc of user install base games were made for the PS2 and ported to the others. Although the new XBOX and PS4 will be more powerful than the Wii U, will it be powerful to the point that games cannot be ported amongst the three systems? I doubt it...

Perhaps, but the main reason PS2 got a lot of primary development was its overwhelming dominance of the market. So far Wii U does not look to be generating that, and this is also in a time when even though Wii had a lot of dominance for quite a while, it did not become the defacto standard development platform mostly due to lagging sales for 3rd party titles. Wii U has to show that not only it can sell a lot, but that it can sell a lot of 3rd party titles.
#31 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -
[QUOTE="illmatic8582"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Because it would be hard not to be. As others have said, WiiU competes with PS3 and 360 for power. It has a bit of an edge I think, but barely. MS and Sony would have to pump out a pretty gimped console to not beat WiiU in power by a fair amount.DerekLoffin
Agreed, but the PS2 was much weaker than the Gamecube and Xbox, yet bc of user install base games were made for the PS2 and ported to the others. Although the new XBOX and PS4 will be more powerful than the Wii U, will it be powerful to the point that games cannot be ported amongst the three systems? I doubt it...

Perhaps, but the main reason PS2 got a lot of primary development was its overwhelming dominance of the market. So far Wii U does not look to be generating that, and this is also in a time when even though Wii had a lot of dominance for quite a while, it did not become the defacto standard development platform mostly due to lagging sales for 3rd party titles. Wii U has to show that not only it can sell a lot, but that it can sell a lot of 3rd party titles.

very good point
#32 Posted by tryhard_d0uch3 (10 posts) -
Well, the original Wii was years behind the Xbox 360 and PS3 in tech.
#33 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -

Well, the original Wii was years behind the Xbox 360 and PS3 in tech.tryhard_d0uch3
But it didn't get any games like the Arkham games, sports games with bs tacked on controls. And graphically compared to the other two it was crap. I don't think this gen will be like the last for nintendo. As bad as the Wii was graphically, the controller made many 3rd party games unportable without it being **** bc of controls. That won't happen this gen

#34 Posted by ronvalencia (15109 posts) -

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illmatic8582
Not limited by ~35 watts.
#35 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -
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ronvalencia
Not limited by ~35 watts.

what?
#36 Posted by SRW-MKII (147 posts) -
Cause the WiiU can't compete with 32GB of Ram and Quad GPU's.fernandmondego_
Why are we bring in PC to console discussion?
#38 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -
[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]Cause the WiiU can't compete with 32GB of Ram and Quad GPU's.SRW-MKII
Why are we bring in PC to console discussion?

I'm with this guy!
#39 Posted by youpieceopoo (357 posts) -

i think they will all suck

#40 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -

i think they will all suck

youpieceopoo
That is also a strong possibility
#41 Posted by ronvalencia (15109 posts) -
#42 Posted by Chris_Williams (14874 posts) -

no one console should have all that power

#43 Posted by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

Because the Wiiu is barely better than 7 year old consoles now. Heil68

Pretty much this

#44 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -
#45 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Because the Wiiu is barely better than 7 year old consoles now. ultimate-k

Pretty much this

and we know this how? It's been on the market less than 8 weeks, no one can make that argument until at least a year or two, or when the other next gen consoles come out so we have something to compare it to
#46 Posted by olart4618 (407 posts) -

Because PS4 and Xbox 3 are supposed to be significantly more powerful than PS3 and 360, which are just slightly weaker than WiiU. Let's not forget that, unlike Nintendo, Sony and MS consoles are known for their massive third party support. Seems logical

PAL360
This
#47 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -
[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Because PS4 and Xbox 3 are supposed to be significantly more powerful than PS3 and 360, which are just slightly weaker than WiiU. Let's not forget that, unlike Nintendo, Sony and MS consoles are known for their massive third party support. Seems logical

olart4618
This

Just bc it's suppose to be something does not or will not make it so. Also will bigger graphics be enough? They have to do more....
#48 Posted by BigBoss255 (3538 posts) -
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Because the Wiiu is barely better than 7 year old consoles now. illmatic8582

Pretty much this

and we know this how? It's been on the market less than 8 weeks, no one can make that argument until at least a year or two, or when the other next gen consoles come out so we have something to compare it to

This is a terrible argument. If the Wii U had next gen specs then why are so many devs criticising it? Why do all the games look worse or equal to PS3 games? I played GUN on 360 in SD at launch and it looked significantly better than any game on PS2 even though it's one of the 360's worst looking games. The Wii U doesn't have some magical hidden next generation potential and even if it did no devs are gonna bother trying to max out dated hardware when they have PS4 and Nextbox to work with.
#49 Posted by illmatic8582 (673 posts) -
[QUOTE="illmatic8582"][QUOTE="ultimate-k"]

Pretty much this

BigBoss255
and we know this how? It's been on the market less than 8 weeks, no one can make that argument until at least a year or two, or when the other next gen consoles come out so we have something to compare it to

This is a terrible argument. If the Wii U had next gen specs then why are so many devs criticising it? Why do all the games look worse or equal to PS3 games? I played GUN on 360 in SD at launch and it looked significantly better than any game on PS2 even though it's one of the 360's worst looking games. The Wii U doesn't have some magical hidden next generation potential and even if it did no devs are gonna bother trying to max out dated hardware when they have PS4 and Nextbox to work with.

That's my point next gen graphics will not be a big jump. It's not going to be like looking at God of War 2 (one of the best looking PS2 games) and Oblivion on xbox. So don't expect the PS4/XBOX to wow anyone with graphics.
#50 Posted by ZombieKiller7 (6248 posts) -

WiiU is gimp, barely as strong as current gen.

PS4/720 must be more powerful, otherwise customers will not be satisfied.