Why didn't Forza 5 reached the top 10 NPD software sales?

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Poll Why didn't Forza 5 reached the top 10 NPD software sales? (46 votes)

Lemmings don't buy games. 65%
Lemmings rented Forza 5 35%
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#1 SuperCowElitist
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****, I accidently hit submitted without finishing it.

Anyways, Forza 5 is the only AAA next gen racer with no competition, why didn't it reach the top 10 npd software sales?

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#2  Edited By k2theswiss
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racing sims

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#3  Edited By SuperCowElitist
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@k2theswiss said:

racing sims

Isn't Forza 5 an arcade racer?

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Because Unlike the PS4 there is a wide varietyof quaily games.

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#5 SuperCowElitist
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@mrxboxone said:

Because Unlike the PS4 there is a wide varietyof quaily games.

What other quality AAA racer does Forza 5 has to compete with on Xbone?

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#6 stereointegrity
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racing sims dont sell consoles.....lets face it majority of people purchased next gen systems for COD.....which sucks because cod sucks

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Racing sims are mostly niche. Despite lem crying, it's usually GT that sells over Forza.

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@supercowelitist said:

****, I accidently hit submitted without finishing it.

Anyways, Forza 5 is the only AAA next gen racer with no competition, why didn't it reach the top 10 npd software sales?

Knack is the only AAA next gen beat em up with no competition, why didn't it reach the top 10 NPD software sales on the consoles that was the best selling of all three next gen consoles in the NPD?

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#9 nutcrackr
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P2W games aren't tracked by NPD

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#10  Edited By SuperCowElitist
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@Jakandsigz said:

@supercowelitist said:

****, I accidently hit submitted without finishing it.

Anyways, Forza 5 is the only AAA next gen racer with no competition, why didn't it reach the top 10 npd software sales?

Knack is the only AAA next gen beat em up with no competition, why didn't it reach the top 10 NPD software sales on the consoles that was the best selling of all three next gen consoles in the NPD?

Knack is 4.0

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#11 Jakandsigz
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@supercowelitist said:

@mrxboxone said:

Because Unlike the PS4 there is a wide varietyof quaily games.

What other quality AAA racer does Forza 5 has to compete with on Xbone?

Need For speed and The Crew. Now Knack on the other hand has no competition. What happened?

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@nutcrackr said:

P2W games aren't tracked by NPD

whats p2w?

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#13  Edited By SuperCowElitist
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@Jakandsigz said:

@supercowelitist said:

@mrxboxone said:

Because Unlike the PS4 there is a wide varietyof quaily games.

What other quality AAA racer does Forza 5 has to compete with on Xbone?

Need For speed and The Crew. Now Knack on the other hand has no competition. What happened?

Those aren't triple A games, and forza 5 was the most talk/hype game. Lemmings said Forza 5 was the reason to own an Xbone alone.

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#14  Edited By Jakandsigz
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@supercowelitist said:

@Jakandsigz said:

@supercowelitist said:

@mrxboxone said:

Because Unlike the PS4 there is a wide varietyof quaily games.

What other quality AAA racer does Forza 5 has to compete with on Xbone?

Need For speed and The Crew. Now Knack on the other hand has no competition. What happened?

Those aren't triple A games, and forza 5 was the most talk/hype game. Lemmings said Forza 5 was the reason to own an Xbone alone.

Both of those games are multi-million AAA made games.

NFS is also a multi-million seller along with that.

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@Jakandsigz said:

@supercowelitist said:

@Jakandsigz said:

@supercowelitist said:

@mrxboxone said:

Because Unlike the PS4 there is a wide varietyof quaily games.

What other quality AAA racer does Forza 5 has to compete with on Xbone?

Need For speed and The Crew. Now Knack on the other hand has no competition. What happened?

Those aren't triple A games, and forza 5 was the most talk/hype game. Lemmings said Forza 5 was the reason to own an Xbone alone.

Both of those games are multi-million AAA made games.

NFS is also a multi-million seller along with that.

Lol oh man, i guess that's the excuse then

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#16 MrXboxOne
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The Xbox One has a wide variety of exclusive games. As for the PS4, it has one decent choice as far as exclusives go, and thats Killzone. When a over hyped platform has only one game to play, it will sell better then a games on a better system with 6 games because that other system has variety. Its all about quailty on Xbox One. PS4 offers nothing. Its simple economics 101.

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#17  Edited By KaijuSlayer666
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Smart gamers knew gt6 was coming and didn't want to waste their money on xbone/crapza.

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#18 SuperCowElitist
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@mrxboxone said:

The Xbox One has a wide variety of exclusive games. As for the PS4, it has one decent choice as far as exclusives go, and thats Killzone. When a over hyped platform has only one game to play, it will sell better then a games on a better system with 6 games because that other system has variety. Its all about quailty on Xbox One. PS4 offers nothing. Its simple economics 101.

None of the exclusive made it to the top 10.

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#19  Edited By UevenLiftBro
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Niche game that doesn't sell consoles? Um, no.

GT has sold over 59 million over its life, and Forza over 20 million over its life.

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#20  Edited By Jakandsigz
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@supercowelitist said:

@mrxboxone said:

The Xbox One has a wide variety of exclusive games. As for the PS4, it has one decent choice as far as exclusives go, and thats Killzone. When a over hyped platform has only one game to play, it will sell better then a games on a better system with 6 games because that other system has variety. Its all about quailty on Xbox One. PS4 offers nothing. Its simple economics 101.

None of the exclusive made it to the top 10.

o next gen exclusive did. Unless you include the exclusive content of COD.

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#21 kingtito
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9>>>7

Who cares how many it sold loser. Forza has never been about sales but it seems cows seem to care more about sales than game play.

Forza>>>>GT and has been for years. Stop being so butthurt kid.

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poor cows, have to play sales because they bought a $400 paperweight with no games :(

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#23  Edited By SuperCowElitist
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@kingtito said:

9>>>7

Who cares how many it sold loser. Forza has never been about sales but it seems cows seem to care more about sales than game play.

Forza>>>>GT and has been for years. Stop being so butthurt kid.

You should care how many it sold. If it doesn't sell enough copy, we won't see a sequel. I want a Forza 6! Lemmings, buy your game please. Yesterday, I bought 10 copies of the game to boost up it's sale.

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@mems_1224 said:

poor cows, have to play sales because they bought a $400 paperweight with no games :(

Us cows been gaming since to beginning of 2013.

Lemmings had to wait for winter in order to game. Now, when they have games, they don't buy them..sad

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#25  Edited By edidili
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How could it? The userbase of both new gen systems is still pretty low, like 1 million low. The ones that made it on top 10 were mutliplats, versions of which were available on PS3/360 and the marketshare for those systems is 150 million. Even if everyone that bought an xbo would have bought Forza which is impossible it still wouldn't make it on top 10.

Then you have the fact that November covered only 10 days of Xbo and the day one bundle with a Forza game for free.

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#26  Edited By SuperCowElitist
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@edidili said:

How could it? The userbase of both new gen systems is still pretty low, like 1 million low. The ones that made it on top 10 were mutliplats, versions of which were available on PS3/360 and the marketshare for those systems is 150 million. Then you have the fact that November covered only 10 days of Xbo and the day one bundle with a Forza game for free.

Only Cod:Ghost sold the most on last gen console. Need for Speed, AC, Fifa, NBA, NFL, Assasssins creeed sold the most on next gen console. The bolded title sold the most on Playstation 4

Just Dance , Skylanders , and Angry Birds sold the most on XBone lol.

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#27  Edited By edidili
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@supercowelitist said:

@edidili said:

How could it? The userbase of both new gen systems is still pretty low, like 1 million low. The ones that made it on top 10 were mutliplats, versions of which were available on PS3/360 and the marketshare for those systems is 150 million. Then you have the fact that November covered only 10 days of Xbo and the day one bundle with a Forza game for free.

Only Cod:Ghost sold the most on last gen console. Need for Speed, AC, Fifa, NBA, Assasssins creeed sold the most on next gen console. The bolded title sold the most on Playstation 4

Maybe so but AC had xbo market as well as the PS4 one. Plus it sold the most on next gen but it didn't sell only on next gen. Selling 40% or 30% on other older platforms too, that number is still a big deal and makes a difference.

None of the next gen exclusives have a chance right now considering they are exclusives to a platform that has only 1 million potential buyers. Is just simple math.

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@mrxboxone: Somehow Lems avoided this argument for Halo vs PS3 exclusives.

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@edidili said:

@supercowelitist said:

@edidili said:

How could it? The userbase of both new gen systems is still pretty low, like 1 million low. The ones that made it on top 10 were mutliplats, versions of which were available on PS3/360 and the marketshare for those systems is 150 million. Then you have the fact that November covered only 10 days of Xbo and the day one bundle with a Forza game for free.

Only Cod:Ghost sold the most on last gen console. Need for Speed, AC, Fifa, NBA, Assasssins creeed sold the most on next gen console. The bolded title sold the most on Playstation 4

Maybe so but AC had xbo market as well as the PS4 one. Plus it sold the most on next gen but it didn't sell only on next gen. Selling 40% or 30% on other older platforms too, that number is still a big deal and makes a difference.

None of the next gen exclusives have a chance right now considering they are exclusives to a platform that has only 1 million potential buyers. Is just simple math.

AC sold 60% more on Ps4. It sold 30% on Xbone. 10% was on ps4 and 1% was on xbone/wiiu

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Probably because the game doesn't cater to a wider audience, a lot of people don't care about racing sims. Besides there's a few games out for the Xbox One to choose from.

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#31  Edited By casharmy
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@mrxboxone said:

Because Unlike the PS4 there is a wide varietyof quaily games.

but Forza 5 is the only AAAE game on the system...wait

I mean Forza 5 is the only AAAE rated game on GS for the system. Tha is not a wide variety of quality games. if we lower the bar to AA it still won't help make what you just said be any more truthful.

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because its forza, and no one cares about it

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#33  Edited By SinjinSmythe
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The same could be asked about Killzone

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@mrxboxone said:

The Xbox One has a wide variety of exclusive games. As for the PS4, it has one decent choice as far as exclusives go, and thats Killzone. When a over hyped platform has only one game to play, it will sell better then a games on a better system with 6 games because that other system has variety. Its all about quailty on Xbox One. PS4 offers nothing. Its simple economics 101.

Xbox One is all about quality???? no no no you mean Xbone is all about quantity over quality. 720p gaming nothing even reaches 1080p except the sport games plus the frame rate issues on dead rising, the ps2 graphics for the back grounds in forza. or the 900p ryse which manages to reach that due to how scripted the animation is and what you can do..

PS4 on the other hand has a small selection of quality games

Killzone Shadow fall is a great shooter, it's not for everyones taste but it is a great shooter.

Knack is a ps1 platformer/action game with pixar graphics, and it isn't that bad, and i'm saw they mention the story not working in the review here i'll have to look it up but thats just the reviewer not paying attention because the story makes sense.

plus PS4 owners will know that if you buy 1 game we get 4 games for free (dc universe, Warframe, War Thunder (Europe) Blacklight: Retribution.) thats before we have even paid for the online aspect which we got 14days free, which included 2 free/rented games which consisted of resogun and contrast, so buying 1 game i've had the pleasure of playing 7 games in total.

Forza 5 just isn't all that it's pretty much a step backwards from it's predecessors. less cars, less tracks the only thing it features is this whole drivatar which is great but to get rid of alot of the other things. esp when you consider GT6 has come out and it's got over 1200 cars, the track list is endless. i mean in this day an age we should be having that sort of numbers and not forgetting forza 5 doesn't even do any weather or day/night, i mean that sort of thing should just be standard to give the racing more variety

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because xbone fans are little kids and have no money the real gamers and those with knowledge know the ps4 is the better system!!

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#36  Edited By SuperCowElitist
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@SinjinSmythe said:

The same could be asked about Killzone

Killzone had competition from popular franchised such as COD and BF. Plus, Killzone scored 7.0

Forza 5 shouldn't have an excuse for being the most hype game with having an AAA status. Who's Forza 5 competing with? NFS? The Crew? Those games aren't even mainstream as Forza and Grand TOurismo

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#37  Edited By FoxbatAlpha
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@supercowelitist said:

@SinjinSmythe said:

The same could be asked about Killzone

Killzone had competition from popular franchised such as COD and BF. Plus, Killzone scored 7.0

Forza 5 shouldn't have an excuse for being the most hype game with having an AAA status. Who's Forza 5 competing with? NFS? The Crew? Those games aren't even mainstream as Forza and Grand TOurismo

Cows hyped all the pre orders so I ask you the same question. How comes KZ isn't on there? OH you answered it. Because it sucked. Thanks and sorry I didn't see that.

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@supercowelitist said:

@kingtito said:

9>>>7

Who cares how many it sold loser. Forza has never been about sales but it seems cows seem to care more about sales than game play.

Forza>>>>GT and has been for years. Stop being so butthurt kid.

You should care how many it sold. If it doesn't sell enough copy, we won't see a sequel. I want a Forza 6! Lemmings, buy your game please. Yesterday, I bought 10 copies of the game to boost up it's sale.

You don't care what it sells kid. Forza has never been a huge seller. It'll sell what it normally sells and that's probably about it. Stop pretending like you're going to play any games on the XOne. You're one of the biggest loser cows on this site.

Damn shame to be so young and so stupid this early on.

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#40 MonsieurX
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@juarbles said:

1. It is not AAA, it is AA.

2. Lemmings are not gamers so they don't like games.

3. Flopza 5 is the same as Flopza 4 which was the same as Flopza 3 so the few lemmings that actually buy games to try and pretend that they are gamers already played the same game twice.

Someone's in denial of the 9.0 score here :(

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#42 MonsieurX
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@juarbles said:

@MonsieurX said:

@juarbles said:

1. It is not AAA, it is AA.

2. Lemmings are not gamers so they don't like games.

3. Flopza 5 is the same as Flopza 4 which was the same as Flopza 3 so the few lemmings that actually buy games to try and pretend that they are gamers already played the same game twice.

Someone's in denial of the 9.0 score here :(

No, xboners are in denial that a world outside of GS exists and that Flopza 5 is a flop by any real gaming standards.

9.0 is AAA

Can't deal with that it seems :(

Knack is a flop,KZ:SF is a flop

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Forza never sells...

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(Some) Xbox owners are notorious for being dudebro gamers. They play Call of Duty, Madden, and Halo and that's about it.

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#45 Antwan3K
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There should be a third option in that pole:

3) Lems downloaded Forza 5

correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think NPD tracks digital game sales yet.. I think its fair to say that Microsoft wants or wanted to push digital downloads more than Sony and that may have some bearing on NPD software sales reports for the immediate future..

again if NPD does include digital sales, then I stand corrected

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It's a shitty game and even lems know it. There's no need to buy it if you already own the superior Forza 4. Why pay more money for less tracks and cars? Graphics? The graphics barely look better than Forza 4.

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@I_can_haz said:

It's a shitty game and even lems know it. There's no need to buy it if you already own the superior Forza 4. Why pay more money for less tracks and cars? Graphics? The graphics barely look better than Forza 4.

Spoken like a true idiot fanboy

9>>>>7 get over it loser

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Because it wasn't a free pack in like all of the previous Forzas.

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#49  Edited By Joedgabe
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because lol racing sims.

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#50  Edited By I_can_haz
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@kingtito said:

@I_can_haz said:

It's a shitty game and even lems know it. There's no need to buy it if you already own the superior Forza 4. Why pay more money for less tracks and cars? Graphics? The graphics barely look better than Forza 4.

Spoken like a true idiot fanboy

9>>>>7 get over it loser

Cry some moar. The game is a flop, the only thing moronic lems like you have ios GS scores which doesn't mean shit in the real world. It wasn't even in the top 10 in UK last month. GT6 alone will probably sell 5-7 times what it will sell.