Whelp, looks like console optimization is real

You can beat around the bush all you want, fact is that the PS4 gpu is stronger then the X1's. now until the end of the generation that gap will still be there. No matter the state of the "drivers" fact is that the hardware physically is able to do more. And that cloud computing is a joke for user end usage. Its no different from comparing one gpu series one lower end model vs the other higher end model. Fact is that the stronger gpu will always be able to render more and or have better performance

A touch of education on what optimising a game includes will do you a world of good.

Let's start off by bring to your attention TressFX being a different version will include various cuts to the strand count and the general amount of calculations (things like collisions), allowing it to use less processing time.

General tweaks to things which can include lowering shadow quality, lowering tesselation or turning it off completely, using different methods of anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering, tweaks to things like LoD and occlusion culling, using lower quality ambient occlusion and depth of field. Any number of these things can be tweaked to result in better performance. This is not something which is only possible on console hardware.And before you mention it, yes I'm aware of the little enhancements they've added (like subsurface scattering on skin, very very basic physics to objects attatched to the model and making tree models move more) however none of these would conceivably present a much noticable performance hit.

In short, the things mentioned above are not synonymous with consoles or requiring of console hardware to be performed. Things like this can be done more if a developer has the opportunity to go back to the game and work on it again because they're spending time on it again to revise it.

We don't call you naive console gamers for nothing.

I'm not beating around the bush. i stated several times that the PS4 has a better GPU. I just pointed out that the GPU alone isn't the sole decider of "more powerful" and that saying the PS4 is 50% more powerful then the X1 is highly inaccurate. And what you are missing is that a chain is only as good as its weakest link. if one link can handle 500lbs but one link only handles 20, the chain isn't pulling more then 20lbs. there is always a bottleneck. both systems have them and nobody accounts for that in their comparisons

Almost forgot, "60 FPS" on consoles means "up to 60 FPS" they never give you the average because they rarely ever release benchmarks of console hardware. For PR purposes they tell naive console idiots "it's 60 FPS."

(I'm not saying TR won't maintain 60 FPS well, I'm just putting perspective on the shit console gamers believe readily)

like KZ:SF where it was really 45FPS that spiked to 60 occasionally?

This is true. BF4, COD, Killzone all claim "60 fps" but you got to digital foundry and it's really only 60fps when nothing is going on with dips as low as the 20s and averages in the low to mid 50s. Meanwhile on PC i play BF4 at a rock solid 60fps with not a single dip in frames at a higher setting than next gen consoles. Ok I lie I've seen it drop to 58 before...

Knack dipped to 14fps. lol!! It's funny because Mark Cerny created the architecture for the PS4, yet couldn't even make a damn game run at a steady 30fps on the hardware. Very sad.

Already know the PS4 isnt 50% more powerful and have already stated it. Both systems overall is very close besides the gpu which is the primary device used for the rendering abilities and the X1 falls behind. Its really not that different comparing a Pc with all the same parts besides the gpu which does determines the overall gaming ability of the system. The performance ratio between the 7850 and 7870 is very much like these consoles. the console with the stronger gpu can run said game at 1080 with 58fps while the other at 1080 can only do 47, so they lower the resolution to achieve the 60 fps.

but it is very different from comparing the 2. its why when they benchmark they use the same OS, same game engine, etc etc. Its also like comparing 2 devices with different drivers. neither GPU is hitting 100% of their capability yet and never will, the one that can get games to get the most out of the hardware via game engines, directx/openGL/drivers/OS will be the one that winds up running games better. In the end, the parity will be similar.

Until we see the X1 and PS4 run games at same resolution and virtually same settings and framerate averages there is a noticeable difference between them.

@04dcarraher:

That only works if everything else is identical.

PS4 has a better CPU, RAM-type, RAM design, GPU and OS.

PS4 installs games faster than Xbone. PSN is faster than XBL.

Cry more.

The PS4 version of Tomb Raider uses a toned down version of TressFX that is not as demanding as the PC version.

You cannot really do a direct comparison of frame rate because the settings are different for both platforms.

Also the PS4 uses a GPU that is a little bit more powerful than a regular clocked 7850.

Although a well oced 7850 will perform better.

After the updates TressFX ran fine on my GTX 570 but there was a bit of a drop in fps with it enabled.

@BattlefieldFan3:

Or you can cry cause I have both and you can only afford one ;)

No one who has both would prefer the xbone. Keep lying and crying.

@Suppaman100: The last guy who told me I should listen to him that he's worked in IT for that long didn't believe me that Serial ATA and SATA were the same thing... this was a customer that I got while working at staples when I was in college. He just bragged he has a degree in IT and has been working in it for years.

Load of BS since he didn't know that and insisted I was wrong and it wouldn't work.

LOL... It's quite funny, isn't it? There's this term in psychology that I don't quite remember, but it states that incompetent people don't realize how little they actually know, because their stupidity impedes them from realizing their own incompetence.

IT is a pretty broad field and it ranges from highly complex topics like computer engineering all the way down to remedial crap like installing software on desktops. Most people in the former would say they worked as a software/computer engineer. They wouldn't say they have 10+ years in IT. That's what remedial IT people say to make themselves look smarter than they really are.

People have differing tastes

Stop using this stupid excuse. In terms of features, there is very little separating the two machines. The only thing the Xbone has that the PS4 doesn't is the ability to watch TV, which is a useless feature for anyone who wants a gaming console. Tests even showed that PS4 voice commands are better than Xbone voice commands.

In every other metric, the PS4 executes far better than the Xbone.

- Faster installs

- Better graphics

- Faster download speeds

- Better exclusives

- OS that doesn't lag

- Better multitasking

- Faster browser

- etc

There is no reason why anyone should prefer the xbone unless they're a butthurt xboner 360 user from last-gen who hates SONY AKA mems, RR360DD and WeakDeadLift.

Or perhaps there are features or games on the X1 that they prefer

LOL like what?

Immaturelo 5? Shotguns of Snore 4?

Games on the Xbone have writing that make teletubbies look sophisticated. Whenever I play Xbox exclusives, my face goes red in embarrassment because the games are just so corny. When you're 20+ years of age, I don't want to listen to kiddie crap about being the "chosen one" and being some super soldier destined to save the universe. The only people who enjoy these types of games are 8-year-olds who pretend to be superman by wearing a towel behind their backs while running around mommy's house. Xboners need to grow up.

@lostrib:

Features and more importantly I like the launch games better cause that means more to me. And the better online play

And this is why I know you're full of crap. XBL gaming is mostly P2P.

@BattlefieldFan3: your post reeks of immaturity I doubt your older then 12 no adult would act like you

Are you insinuating that your tech knowledge is no greater than a 12-year-old?

@BattlefieldFan3:

Faster installs? I have 0 discs

Better graphics? Ryse

Faster downloads? Not even close

Better exclusives? Not in my opinion

so that doesn't lag? They both lag

Better multitasking? Um no ps4 doesn't even have suspend resume

Faster browser? Not even close plus ie lets you play html5 games

1) If you have 0 disks, then you're downloading off Microsoft's dial-up XBL server, which would take even longer.

2) Ryse could run better on the PS4.

3) Dude. I know you don't have the PS4. Stop f*cking lying to pretend to be impartial. I have both f*cking consoles and XBL's download speed is WAY lower than PSN on current-gen consoles. It's pretty much a consensus here on System Wars by BOTH cows and lemmings alike. The only person in here who states otherwise for no reason other than for fanboy convenience is you.

4) Xbone exclusives are for 8-year-old preteen trash.

5) PS4 OS doesn't lag. It's silky smooth. I can install 8 games and once while browsing the web and there's not a single hiccup. The Xbone can't even handle 1 install before lagging like a mofo.

6) Again, you're taking the facts I'm spouting that point to PS4 superiority and saying the opposite because it's convenient for your fanboy rhetoric.

http://www.gameguyz.com/news/game-vendor/browser-speed-comparison-of-ps4-and-xbox-one.html

The second test used Kracken, a JavaScript performance benchmark created by Mozilla that measures the speed of several different test cases extracted from real-world applications and libraries. This gave the PS4 a score of 22,768.70 whilst the Xbox One was around five times slower with a rating of 111,892.50.

@BattlefieldFan3: and some people prefer p2p

And it costs MS $0 to run a P2P network. Why are they charging you for multiplayer access?

I know with SONY, $50/year (I pay $30) will be used for dedicated servers on 1st party games and better online infrastructure so that I can hit my download speed cap when I'm downloading things on PSN.

What is MS doing with your money? The servers are still slow as shit and I'm lucky to be hitting half of my download speed cap.

Whelp.

@BattlefieldFan3: my bad meant pvp, ms has 300k servers for xbl. Titan alpha ran smoother then any other game I ever played. Their servers are the best in gaming period. How many does sony have?

And why is kHz p2p yet Forza and titanfall on dedis? And you don't own an x1 so stop lying. Your the biggest sony fan here

top lel

KZ:SF isn't even running complete dedicated servers

KZ3 didn't either, apparently.

How did cows even get away with that lie for so long? Maybe it's because nobody plays Killzone?

Also,why would Sony need to charge for multiplayer now if they didn't before?

Just like mr carmack said, x2 the performance with optimizing. But there is still the secret sauce, which is Sony first party studios which will go beyond that.

If this proves console optimization was real then the XBOX One version will run well too. All this proves is that developers take more care in ensuring a game runs well on some systems than they do on others ...and there is much more evidence of that from Sonys last console vs 360 multiplats.

Lol. Console optimization is real ? HAHAHAHAHAHA *Laughs for half an hour. With a great effort stops laughing. Clears the eyes*

I ran Tomb Raider on my 5 year old PC (3-year old GPU) at the settings close to ultra, at full HD, with TressFx on, at about 50FPS.

My buid was

Quad Core 2.93 GHZ

6GB of DDR2

Radeon 5870 1GB

The specs that were quite inferior to PS4 specs. So basically PS4 runs the game as good as my ass old PC. Good job.

Where can I download Tomb Raider with TressFX 2.0 for the PC?

Square Enix's Thief reboot has AMD Mantle + TruAudio support.

AMD Temash SoC's IGP has 4 ACEs.

AMD Kaveri 7850K APU's IGP has 8 ACEs.

AMD R9-290/R9-290X has 8 ACEs.

PS4's IGP is within latest GCN generation.