Whats with all the square enix hate here?

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#1 Posted by Capitan_Kid (6516 posts) -
They make a lot of quality games, they dont nickle and dime, and the one flop they had theyre trying to fix (FF14). 13 was liked by the majority considering its sales and metacritic. Nier was a niche but loved game. Then theres games like, Dissidia, The World Ends With You, Bravely Default, Theatrhythm, and Kingdom Hearts. I can understand idf you dont like em but a lot pf you act like they did your mom.
#2 Posted by SirDigby84 (335 posts) -
It's cool to hate Final Fantasy because it's popular, both FF13 and its sequel were solid games, not amazing like back in the SNES/PS1 days but still good jrpgs. Most walked into FF13 wanting to hate it I think and didn't bother with the sequel. FF14 was a big mistake but no reason to totally give up on a company that has given us so many fantastic games in the past.
#3 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

i don't hate them. they're just a shadow of their former selves. i can go back and play the older classics and still enjoy them but their more recent works have been unremarkable. final fantasy 13 was pretty much the last chance i gave them.

#4 Posted by Chris_Williams (14868 posts) -

did..did you just they don't nickle and dime? final fantasy 13-2 has DLC characters, you have to freaking pay extra to use lightning in your roster, SHES ON THE FREAKING COVER. Also you have to pay to play as Sazh again, so f*ck square enix

#5 Posted by tagyhag (15867 posts) -

Don't hate them. Not as good as they were but they still give out solid solid games.

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It's nice knowing that they know most of their fans are hentai lovers though. :lol:

#6 Posted by SirDigby84 (335 posts) -

did..did you just they don't nickle and dime? final fantasy 13-2 has DLC characters, you have to freaking pay extra to use lightning in your roster, SHES ON THE FREAKING COVER. Also you have to pay to play as Sazh again, so f*ck square enix

Chris_Williams
They weren't real characters, they were lightning/sazh skins on generic monsters so there was no reason to buy them. The monsters that acted as a 3rd party player actually gave the battle system alot of depth and variety. It's a shame the game lacked any real super bosses or reason to fully explore all the combinations and different tactics possible, got the platinum way quicker than fully completing any FF game should take.
#7 Posted by D3dr0_0 (3495 posts) -

Final Fantasy XIII sucked ass, got a sequel filled with DLC including the character on the cover and there's a possibility that a 3rd game might come from them when people want them to release something they announced back in 2006. Let's not forget Final Fantasy XIV was a failure too.

#8 Posted by Chris_Williams (14868 posts) -
[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

did..did you just they don't nickle and dime? final fantasy 13-2 has DLC characters, you have to freaking pay extra to use lightning in your roster, SHES ON THE FREAKING COVER. Also you have to pay to play as Sazh again, so f*ck square enix

SirDigby84
They weren't real characters, they were lightning/sazh skins on generic monsters so there was no reason to buy them. The monsters that acted as a 3rd party player actually gave the battle system alot of depth and variety. It's a shame the game lacked any real super bosses or reason to fully explore all the combinations and different tactics possible, got the platinum way quicker than fully completing any FF game should take.

still my man, you have to pay to use lightning even as a skin, you have to pay extra to use a character who's on the cover on the disc. Who does that? This is why i'm skipping ff13-2 and not supporting square enix, i feel as though they don't know what their doing and they are lost and going through a identity crysis.
#9 Posted by charizard1605 (55319 posts) -
Square Enix is on a path to self destruction.
#10 Posted by TrapJak (3487 posts) -

Many people still want that FF7 magic (which doesn't exist after the masterpiece that is FF9) , and many others want the tradiontial FF game.

#11 Posted by mbrockway (3345 posts) -

I hadn't realized Square Enix still made games for the HD twins. Handheld wise they've been more than fine since the lighter hardware allows them to use cheaper assets (which I am totally cool with if it gives me Dragon Quests and TWEWY.) Home console wise they've been god awful. They've released like 3 games made in house. Just terrible at putting out product. Instead of finishing FF 13 Versus they rush out XIII-2, prequel after prequel after prequel after remake for Kingdom Hearts. WHITE ENGINE WHITE ENGINE WHITE ENGINE crap lets just license unreal engine 3. I think it might make me happier if they just gave up on home consoles. It would save me the heartache of watching their in house teams F*** it up.

They've made some really nice dev purchases though, but they should fire every mother f-er in the Japanese hd console dev division for wasting 7 years of everyone time. Eidos Montreal could make a better Final Fantasy than SE's team and they could do it in 2 years.

#12 Posted by Gue1 (9354 posts) -

It's cool to hate Final Fantasy because it's popular, both FF13 and its sequel were solid games, not amazing like back in the SNES/PS1 days but still good jrpgs. Most walked into FF13 wanting to hate it I think and didn't bother with the sequel. FF14 was a big mistake but no reason to totally give up on a company that has given us so many fantastic games in the past.SirDigby84

#13 Posted by glez13 (8546 posts) -

I would have sworn I had posted in this thread. But anyways, the problem is the they are a shadow of their former selves and nothing they have done recently compares relatively to the stuff they did in their glory days (SNES/PS).

#14 Posted by AtariKidX (6200 posts) -
a lot of quality games.....??:lol: They have totally destroy the FF games.....and this sucks.
#15 Posted by AtariKidX (6200 posts) -

Many people still want that FF7 magic (which doesn't exist after the masterpiece that is FF9) , and many others want the tradiontial FF game.

TrapJak
This+1.
#16 Posted by Ballroompirate (22190 posts) -

It's cause Square Enix sucks, they have fallen from grace compared to their awesomeness of the last two gens. The article by their executive or w/e about this gen going on for too long even fueled my hatred for them even more since it's coming from a company who still hasn't released FF Versus 13 which has been in development for how long 6 or 7 years?. They keep on giving us this bull crap FF13 and FF13-2 and even announced FF13-3 which will probably be out before Versus.

#17 Posted by Crossel777 (5593 posts) -

13 was liked by the majority considering its sales and metacritic.Capitan_Kid

Lol. Although FFXIII sold 6.5 million worldwide, FFXIII-2 only sold 1.4 million meaning a good 4 million+ didn't care for FFXIII or it's sequel. Furthermore FFXIII only had a metacritic of 82 and userscore meta of 80 which is a pretty average score compared to previous FF metacritic scores.

Nier was a niche but loved game. Capitan_Kid

Which wasn't developed by Square-Enix. That would be Cavia and they are no more.

#18 Posted by Tikeio (5332 posts) -

They make a lot of quality gamesCapitan_Kid

LOL.

I like Square Enix though. They publish and develop a few quality games, but certainly not a "lot" of them.

#19 Posted by Crossel777 (5593 posts) -
[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]a lot of quality games.....??:lol: They have totally destroy the FF games.....and this sucks.

They've had a few gems here and there. Their offerings have been measly at best compared to what they once where as Squaresoft.
#20 Posted by Nengo_Flow (9376 posts) -
They make a lot of quality games Capitan_Kid
*poker face*
#21 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

Many people still want that FF7 magic (which doesn't exist after the masterpiece that is FF9) , and many others want the tradiontial FF game.

TrapJak

yes. the magic of things like the single digit final fantasy games, chrono trigger, secret of mana, and the early dragon warrior games.

#22 Posted by speedfreak48t5p (6551 posts) -

Stopped reading at "they don't nickel and dime"

#23 Posted by ohgeez (910 posts) -
They are a shadow of their former selves and tell progressively crappier stories in every game they make
#24 Posted by Capitan_Kid (6516 posts) -

Many people still want that FF7 magic (which doesn't exist after the masterpiece that is FF9) , and many others want the tradiontial FF game.

TrapJak
FFX, XI, and XII were plenty good. IX is waaay overrated, has a boringly slow battle system, and a couple of meh characters. Vivi is its saving grace.
#25 Posted by Kandlegoat (3147 posts) -

Probably because instead of making gems like FFT,FF6,Chrono Trigger,Parasite Eve,and Vagrant Story....they keep milking Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts.

#26 Posted by Capitan_Kid (6516 posts) -

did..did you just they don't nickle and dime? final fantasy 13-2 has DLC characters, you have to freaking pay extra to use lightning in your roster, SHES ON THE FREAKING COVER. Also you have to pay to play as Sazh again, so f*ck square enix

Chris_Williams
Of all things to b*tch about its the character on the cover? Did you play as a meteor in 7? Did you play as a dragon in 5? Did you play as a crystal in 9?
#27 Posted by Chris_Williams (14868 posts) -
[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

did..did you just they don't nickle and dime? final fantasy 13-2 has DLC characters, you have to freaking pay extra to use lightning in your roster, SHES ON THE FREAKING COVER. Also you have to pay to play as Sazh again, so f*ck square enix

Capitan_Kid
Of all things to b*tch about its the character on the cover? Did you play as a meteor in 7? Did you play as a dragon in 5? Did you play as a crystal in 9?

the hell are you talking about? i'm talking about Lightning you know the protagonist in the first game and who is on the cover on the second game, i payed 60 bucks for your game and your only giving me one of the main characters of the whole thing as DLC?
#28 Posted by Jankarcop (8893 posts) -

Becasue they went from amazing games to just "meh" games? Yeah I think thats why.

#29 Posted by Capitan_Kid (6516 posts) -

Becasue they went from amazing games to just "meh" games? Yeah I think thats why.

Jankarcop
Except they arent just meh.
#30 Posted by glez13 (8546 posts) -

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

did..did you just they don't nickle and dime? final fantasy 13-2 has DLC characters, you have to freaking pay extra to use lightning in your roster, SHES ON THE FREAKING COVER. Also you have to pay to play as Sazh again, so f*ck square enix

Capitan_Kid

Of all things to b*tch about its the character on the cover? Did you play as a meteor in 7? Did you play as a dragon in 5? Did you play as a crystal in 9?

:|....You drunk?

#31 Posted by hayato_ (5008 posts) -

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

did..did you just they don't nickle and dime? final fantasy 13-2 has DLC characters, you have to freaking pay extra to use lightning in your roster, SHES ON THE FREAKING COVER. Also you have to pay to play as Sazh again, so f*ck square enix

Chris_Williams

Of all things to b*tch about its the character on the cover? Did you play as a meteor in 7? Did you play as a dragon in 5? Did you play as a crystal in 9?

the hell are you talking about? i'm talking about Lightning you know the protagonist in the first game and who is on the cover on the second game, i payed 60 bucks for your game and your only giving me one of the main characters of the whole thing as DLC?

The game wasn't about Lightning:| , It was about Serah and Noel, which were, wait for it......the main characters of Final Fantasy XIII-2. The first trailers even pointed to this. Plus, if you wanted to play as Lightning and Sazh, play the first one.

That aside, I enjoyed most of the games Square-Enix have released this past gen. Some games were better in terms of gameplay and such than the last couple of gens. Birth by Sleep is still my go to when I'm on long trips as well as Star Ocean: The First Departure. .

#32 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28332 posts) -

Don't hate them. Not as good as they were but they still give out solid solid games.

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It's nice knowing that they know most of their fans are hentai lovers though. :lol:

tagyhag
the word your looking for is Ecchi. Being that its naughty...etc Hentai is the word for the form of actual sexual anime images.
#33 Posted by crimsonman1245 (4253 posts) -

People like to hate on popular things, most of the haters refuse to even acknowledge that Eidos is part of Square Enix now.

#34 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28332 posts) -

I hate them because they are a s*** company whom ruined their franchises ignore the good franchises they have in stock, and rerererereerrerereerererelease games.

#35 Posted by HaloPimp978 (7249 posts) -

13 was liked by the majority considering its sales and metacritic.Capitan_Kid

No it was hated I can't name a lot of people who enjoyed the crappiest game in FF history.

#36 Posted by Jankarcop (8893 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Becasue they went from amazing games to just "meh" games? Yeah I think thats why.

Capitan_Kid

Except they arent just meh.

They are decent at best.... they aren't even hafl as good as they once were

#37 Posted by Ghost120x (3680 posts) -
I hate them because they haven't released ff agito to the united states. And because they ruined ff crystal chronicles.
#38 Posted by Kandlegoat (3147 posts) -

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

Becasue they went from amazing games to just "meh" games? Yeah I think thats why.

Jankarcop

Except they arent just meh.

They are decent at best.... they aren't even hafl as good as they once were

You better watch out, might get kicked out of the Master Race country club for even implying a console dev used to be good.

#39 Posted by Rockman999 (7232 posts) -

You know System Wars is flooded with mentally disabled children when they complain about a company that released one of the best games last year and is due to release another heavy hitter this fall.

The weebos in this thread seriously need to get mauled to death by a pack of bears.

Who cares if their Japanese games haven't been as strong as their western games this gen?

Japanese developers are incompetent and full of themselves so it's no surprise that SE has shifted it's focus towards western talent.

Now stop QQ'ing about the character on the boxart not being playable or that their games no longer cater to your pedophilic desires.

#40 Posted by bbkkristian (14888 posts) -
People mad because SE hyped up a game 6 years ago and never got around to finishing it.
#41 Posted by DJ-Lafleur (34114 posts) -

I don't hate Square-Enix. They still make some good games every now and then. They certainly aren't as good as Square-soft though.

The problem with Square-Enix is that they have been having poor management and been giving themselves way too many projects to deal with.

#42 Posted by tagyhag (15867 posts) -

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

Don't hate them. Not as good as they were but they still give out solid solid games.

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It's nice knowing that they know most of their fans are hentai lovers though. :lol:

WilliamRLBaker

the word your looking for is Ecchi. Being that its naughty...etc Hentai is the word for the form of actual sexual anime images.

Yeah and the same people that consider this stuff "ecchi" are the same ones that get hot and bothered when they see some pixelated penis going inside a pixelated v*g. :lol:

#43 Posted by santoron (7622 posts) -

1. They didn't design XIII the way people expected (though it's hilarious that pre XIII, X was one of this board's favorite in the series, and largely dropped from the conversation only after people were reminded X is the most similar title to XIII in the lineup).

2. They didn't bring Vs XIII or KH3 (or...whatever) out fast enough, and think any game that's released and they don't care about is directly responsible.

3. FFXIV was a critical disaster that they point to as evidence SE has lost their way, though so few SWarriors cared even mildly enough about its launch (or MMOs in general) that it didn't even get a hype thread. But now EVERYONE acts like they got screwed by it, and have ignored the huge lengths SE has gone to correct its many flaws.

4. They ignore the quality titles released by SE on other (not console or PC) platforms or by SE owned subsidiaries.

Those are the most cited reasons by people who claim to have been "fans" at some point. You add them to the group of SWers that never liked the series to begin with and it's now hip(ster) to hate SE around here.

#44 Posted by Basinboy (10973 posts) -

Square does a very poor job at listening to what Western gamers propose they do to improve their games and instead have developed the double-edged habit of catering to the J-pop crowd (stylistically, both presentation and gameplay). There's only so many times scantily-clad teenagers can save the world before the premise becomes rote (which it did a long, long time ago).

BTW, FFXIII had a great battle system and a few decent characters, but overall it was definitely one of the worst installments the franchise has ever had. Look to FFVII, FFIX, and FFX if you want a top-notch FF game.

#45 Posted by yunaforever (1 posts) -

Because they are rotten f********* who hurt fans and ruin and destroy characters and games years later!Just like they are doing tomy Yuna and Tidus with this audio drama and the nojima novel for a 10 yr annv.It's a f****** disgrace that makes there love,how Yuna acted,everything they said and did with eachother,and both FFX/X2 worthless trash that means absolutely nothing now!

#47 Posted by Ghost120x (3680 posts) -
  1. Because they take great franchises and turn them into mmo's when they don't need to.
  2. They make sequels to games across different consoles or handheld making it hard to follow the series (kingdom Hearts)
  3. They didn't localize some good games (Type 0)
  4. Heavy focus on mobile game development
  5. They take too long to develop games
  6. They won't stop with lightning
  7. The games are just not fun anymore
#48 Edited by LJS9502_basic (149974 posts) -

I don't hate Square Enix....and I like the Final Fantasy series.

#49 Posted by Zassimick (6224 posts) -

Bumped thread from a year and a half ago but I'll respond.

I enjoy their games. Sure, they may not be of the quality that they were past gens, but I did enjoy Final Fantasy XIII, what I played of The World Ends With You, NIER, and most of whatever other titles they released for handheld and console. What I don't like is how their business is operated.

#50 Posted by Riverwolf007 (23410 posts) -

sorry, i have enough real shyt to hate that i can't afford to be squandering it on squeenix.

as far as my personal opinion goes though i am almost completely uninterested in anything they make.

i will probably get kingdom hearts if a true full fledged sequel ever comes out and i will continue to buy the great games from other devs that all they have to do with it is stamping the squeenix logo on the box and publishing it.