What makes people think FFXV and KH3 will save SquareEnix?

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#1 Edited by texasgoldrush (9138 posts) -

Because honestly, these games look like SquareEnix does not get it.

FFXV not only looks to go completely away from the series roots, it looks to rehash characters and art from past FF titles like FFVII. Really, a character looks like Cloud. Nevermind we have a poster boy broody emo JRPG protagonist. Looks like another off the rails storyline just like XIII and its sequels.

This may be the game to kill the series in the West...hell, it looks like it wasn't even made for the West, a bad move considering SquareEnix needs the West. Nevermind development hell, so look for a chopped up product.

As for Kingdom Hearts, really, I like Disney, but Kingdom Hearts sucks. Its a horrendous franchise all brought by a bunch of writers who really do not get why Disney movies work. Piss poor writing, convoluted wacky nonsensical plots that do not fit Disney at all, FF characters that do not mix with Disney (FFVII's especially), while ignoring FF characters that fit seamlessly (FFIV, FFVI, and especially FFIX), and complete rehashes of the plot of Disney films(Hunchback of Notre Dame for example in the 3ds game). Why do people actually like these games? If you look past the Disney characters, its a poor written series with average gameplay.

But nope, lets get excited for the next KHs, lets have the developers throw Frozen in there and completely miss the point on why that movie so popular.

Sorry, its hard to get behind the future of Square Enix. The great designers like Sakaguchi and Matsuno are gone, we are left with Toriyama and Nomura, who are killing the FF franchise and the company. And no, readjusting their focus isn't going to help. They need to get rid of their lead developers and have someone else reboot the Final Fantasy series, going back to its roots but with fresh new storytelling and scenario design.

#2 Edited by Desmonic (13448 posts) -

#3 Edited by texasgoldrush (9138 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

Because your husband is an idiot of a president.

Oh, as for SquareEnix, I am not mad.....I fully expect them to fail.

#4 Posted by Desmonic (13448 posts) -

@texasgoldrush: That OP sounds mad as all hell though. Considering we only have 1 gameplay trailer for FF15 and not even that for KH3 this thread seems a bit................"precocious" to say the least.

#5 Posted by texasgoldrush (9138 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@texasgoldrush: That OP sounds mad as all hell though. Considering we only have 1 gameplay trailer for FF15 and not even that for KH3 this thread seems a bit................"precocious" to say the least.

And why would a trailer of KH3 matter? The other games sucked. Maybe there is some anger there, they do rape those franchises.

But for Final fantasy, I just laugh at people thinking that XV is going to save square.

#6 Posted by Desmonic (13448 posts) -

@texasgoldrush: Anger? lol

We'll see. Time will tell. Though considering none of those games will release this year (FF15 seems to be a solid 2015 game, KH3 will probably be a 2017/18 game) we'll have to wait quite a bit still.

#7 Posted by blamix (192 posts) -

FFXV will succeed because of its new cool battle system, its like KH but in the real world. He haven't seen noctis summon yet though.. We'll see it this years E3

#8 Posted by cooolio (451 posts) -

Never played any FF games, but in short, you are only mad because it does not have what you believe defines a FF game. That is your problem. Kingdom Hearts story has been dragged on a little bit. I only played 1 and 2 and just read the others. However, the story being terrible and trash is your own opinion. To me it captured that imaginative and fantasy like experience by using characters that appeal to my childhood. You have to admit that no one could guess the true story behind keyblade masters, the true nature of xemnas/xehanort, etc.

#9 Edited by texasgoldrush (9138 posts) -

@blamix said:

FFXV will succeed because of its new cool battle system, its like KH but in the real world. He haven't seen noctis summon yet though.. We'll see it this years E3

but if the story sucks...who cares? Battle systems alone do not make a FF game great.

That's why FFV isn't considered to be the best FF ever, even though its gameplay is considered one of, if not the, best in the series.

#10 Edited by texasgoldrush (9138 posts) -

@cooolio said:

Never played any FF games, but in short, you are only mad because it does not have what you believe defines a FF game. That is your problem. Kingdom Hearts story has been dragged on a little bit. I only played 1 and 2 and just read the others. However, the story being terrible and trash is your own opinion. To me it captured that imaginative and fantasy like experience by using characters that appeal to my childhood. You have to admit that no one could guess the true story behind keyblade masters, the true nature of xemnas/xehanort, etc.

so fans do not have a right to complain when someone takes a franchise in a direction that violates the spirit of the franchise?

no, it sucks because instead of tying Disney characters with a Disney like storyline.....they tie everything with a wacky convoluted JRPG plot that simply is the complete opposite of Disney and their successful style, nevermind the horrendous dialogue that makes many direct to video sequels of classic or renaissance Disney movies look like masterpieces.

#11 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150355 posts) -

Don't buy the game then. But your opinion does not equal fact.

#12 Posted by texasgoldrush (9138 posts) -

Don't buy the game then. But your opinion does not equal fact.

but whether SE succeeds or not is a fact.

#13 Edited by Desmonic (13448 posts) -

so fans do not have a right to complain when someone takes a franchise in a direction that violates the spirit of the franchise*?

no, it sucks because instead of tying Disney characters with a Disney like storyline.....they tie everything with a wacky convoluted JRPG plot that simply is the complete opposite of Disney and their successful style, nevermind the horrendous dialogue that makes many direct to video sequels of classic or renaissance Disney movies look like masterpieces.

*Read: In a direction I don't like.

Fixed.

Now I know why you're so damn mad TC. lol

#14 Posted by texasgoldrush (9138 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@texasgoldrush said:

so fans do not have a right to complain when someone takes a franchise in a direction that violates the spirit of the franchise*?

no, it sucks because instead of tying Disney characters with a Disney like storyline.....they tie everything with a wacky convoluted JRPG plot that simply is the complete opposite of Disney and their successful style, nevermind the horrendous dialogue that makes many direct to video sequels of classic or renaissance Disney movies look like masterpieces.

*Read: In a direction I don't like.

Fixed.

Now I know why you're so damn mad TC. lol

you mean the direction that's led to declining sales and review scores?

#15 Edited by Desmonic (13448 posts) -

@texasgoldrush: Oh you already know what these games will score and sell? :O You have an awesome time machine then! Can I borrow it? Come on, don't be that guy! Let your SW bros bask in the glory of foreseeing the future!

#16 Posted by LJS9502_basic (150355 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

Don't buy the game then. But your opinion does not equal fact.

but whether SE succeeds or not is a fact.

Not at this time...this entire thread is YOUR opinion.

#17 Posted by texasgoldrush (9138 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@texasgoldrush: Oh you already know what these games will score and sell? :O You have an awesome time machine then! Can I borrow it? Come on, don't be that guy! Let your SW bros bask in the glory of foreseeing the future!

You can make easy predictions....

Games that are in development hell or undergo it, generally do not do well. FFXV has gone through dev hell.

That's one example.

Another example is playing to clichés, many which are continuously ripped by gamers.....such as "emo" broody JRPG protagonists. Noctis is basically a poster child for this.

Many times knowing how good a game will score or be received is predictable.

#18 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (6162 posts) -

Square will fail. It is its destiny.

#19 Edited by Desmonic (13448 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@texasgoldrush: Oh you already know what these games will score and sell? :O You have an awesome time machine then! Can I borrow it? Come on, don't be that guy! Let your SW bros bask in the glory of foreseeing the future!

You can make easy predictions....

Games that are in development hell or undergo it, generally do not do well. FFXV has gone through dev hell.

That's one example.

Another example is playing to clichés, many which are continuously ripped by gamers.....such as "emo" broody JRPG protagonists. Noctis is basically a poster child for this.

Many times knowing how good a game will score or be received is predictable.

It sure is! And we know this as pure fact, am I right? :D

We don't even know when dev began for this game but we know it went through dev hell! Hey remember how SE had to pull all resources into finishing FF13? And 13-2? And Lightning Returns? And FF14? And FF14: A Realm Reborn? Yeah I'm sure these had absolutely nothing to do with the delays, and FF15 (previously known as FFVersus13) obviously started development in 2006 only to be plagued by problems, issues, failed concepts, failed mechanics, etc. WE KNOW THIS!! :O

And we also know the main character will be a motherf*cking emo asshole, right? Of course, it's only natural to judge books by their covers! It's not like that style of character fits in with Japan's culture or anything, nah. It's obviously an emo just for teh salezzz in teh Wezztzzz! Again, we OBVIOUSLY know this! :O

Oh btw, you still still haven't told me if you're going to lend us that awesome time machine! :D

top lel TC. Top f*cking lel.

#20 Posted by yokofox33 (29373 posts) -

Because of Lightning cameo appearances. That'll save SE.

#21 Posted by crimsonman1245 (4253 posts) -

I dont think anyone has ever said those games would save Square Enix, but Final Fantasy XV is the best and most ambitious JRPG i've ever seen.

#22 Posted by Shewgenja (8469 posts) -

Because of Lightning cameo appearances. That'll save SE.

Is Lightning supposed to cameo in FFXV?

#23 Posted by ShepardCommandr (2423 posts) -

It's too early to tell.

I give them a 50-50 chance.If ff15 flops there's a good chance square will go down with it after pouring so much time and money into it.

#24 Edited by freedomfreak (39211 posts) -

Mass Effect 3's ending was a joke. And Bioshock Infinite's plot makes a lot more sense than whatever they tried to pull with Bioshock 2, and Minerva's Den.

#25 Posted by Ghost120x (3739 posts) -

FF XV looks interesting but I hope there is some strong rpg game mechanics at work and the combat is good. KH storyline is ruined but the game can still be fun, I just hope the Disney worlds/ characters are fleshed out in this game. The last few games the worlds served merely as a point to get from A to B. The first game sora had more interaction with the characters and it felt like he fit right in with the storyline of a disney movie, now not so much.

#26 Posted by Desmonic (13448 posts) -

Mass Effect 3's ending was a joke. And Bioshock Infinite's plot makes a lot more sense than whatever they tried to pull with Bioshock 2, and Minerva's Den.

Oh silly freedom, you shouldn't aim right for the "head and heart" with your first post XD

#27 Posted by cooolio (451 posts) -

I dont think anyone has ever said those games would save Square Enix, but Final Fantasy XV is the best and most ambitious JRPG i've ever seen.

How is it the best if you have not played it?

#28 Posted by jsmoke03 (12766 posts) -

i dont know what your expectations are for final fantasy series but if you keep going back to anything pre voice acting, then yea you are going to be sadly disappointed because voice acting changed a lot of things. i think final fantasy have these long winded stories that have a point among a million other points that dont always connect but we forgave them because we made up for the stories with out imagination. its a bit harder to do that with voice acting involved and the worlds being soo detailed. the only mistake square had was not opening up the world.

ffxv looks amazing in my opinion. i actually thought this was going to be the better game out of agito and xiii in that crystalis universe.

as far as kingdom hearts go, the charm is the disney element that makes the game for me. the rpg part of it was okay, but disney brought me back to memories and feelings of nostalgia. that is enough for me.

wait arent you the guy who had a thesis paper on why mass effect 3 was the worst game ever?

#29 Posted by lostrib (34611 posts) -

They're two new games from two of their most popular franchises

#30 Posted by SNIPER4321 (10143 posts) -

Deus Ex and Hitman save square enix. Not these pink girly games from popular franchise for little kids and girls.

#31 Edited by KBFloYd (13190 posts) -

@Ghost120x said:

FF XV looks interesting but I hope there is some strong rpg game mechanics at work and the combat is good. KH storyline is ruined but the game can still be fun, I just hope the Disney worlds/ characters are fleshed out in this game. The last few games the worlds served merely as a point to get from A to B. The first game sora had more interaction with the characters and it felt like he fit right in with the storyline of a disney movie, now not so much.

if the new KH game is based on new disney...like the incredibles, monsters inc, cars, toy story..ill puke lol

#32 Posted by jsmoke03 (12766 posts) -

Deus Ex and Hitman save square enix. Not these pink girly games from popular franchise for little kids and girls.

didnt square say they were disappointed in the sales of hitman, tomb raider and sleeping dogs? not sure about deus ex.

#33 Posted by 2mrw (4957 posts) -

I used to get FF games without looking into any reviews. Now, I do. Let's just wait and see how it will fair.

#34 Edited by PrincessGomez92 (3483 posts) -

Mass Effect 3's ending was a joke. And Bioshock Infinite's plot makes a lot more sense than whatever they tried to pull with Bioshock 2, and Minerva's Den.

Are the Mass Effect sequels any good? The first game was garbage.

#35 Posted by SNIPER4321 (10143 posts) -

@jsmoke03 said:

@SNIPER4321 said:

Deus Ex and Hitman save square enix. Not these pink girly games from popular franchise for little kids and girls.

didnt square say they were disappointed in the sales of hitman, tomb raider and sleeping dogs? not sure about deus ex.

Deus Ex was sold good. it was great game even thought dumbed down version of original game.

New Hitman, sleeping dogs and Tomb raider are bad games. New hitman is nothing like older hitman games. but hitman 6 could be good. sleeping dogs is terribly bland GTA clone with one button easy combat that feel even worse than Batman.

tomb raider was onrail uncharted clone with QTEs.

#36 Edited by freedomfreak (39211 posts) -

Are the Mass Effect sequels any good? The first game was garbage.

They are if you like poor storytelling and plotholes in high numbers.

#37 Posted by Ballroompirate (22555 posts) -

KH3 actually looks amazing while SE continues to frak over the FF fanbase.

#38 Posted by charizard1605 (56070 posts) -

I was not aware Square Enix needed saving.

#39 Posted by texasgoldrush (9138 posts) -

Mass Effect 3's ending was a joke. And Bioshock Infinite's plot makes a lot more sense than whatever they tried to pull with Bioshock 2, and Minerva's Den.

Mass effect is making SquareEnix jealous....all those awards. Its like they were passed by.

#40 Edited by lundy86_4 (43010 posts) -

Is somebody saying they will?

Still, we've missed your Biodrone attitude. No, wait... It was boring.

#41 Posted by Seabas989 (10117 posts) -

I hope FFXV turns out well but I doubt it especially since the combat system doesn't impress me.

I hated KH2 but I am willing to give KH3 a chance.

#42 Posted by Desmonic (13448 posts) -

@Ballroompirate: It was merely a tech demo, showcasing the kind of graphics/art style they want to achieve. No need to fap over KH3 just yet :P

#43 Posted by texasgoldrush (9138 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

Mass Effect 3's ending was a joke. And Bioshock Infinite's plot makes a lot more sense than whatever they tried to pull with Bioshock 2, and Minerva's Den.

Are the Mass Effect sequels any good? The first game was garbage.

Mass Effect 2 is good if you get past the poor main plot. The characters make up for it. But the plot has some really jarring and poorly written moments and one of the worst final bosses ever.

Mass Effect 3 is great, if you get the extended cut.

Is somebody saying they will?

Still, we've missed your Biodrone attitude. No, wait... It was boring.

Oh what, I forgot, I love Dragon Age Origins....oh wait I don't. Oh wait, I think Obsidians sequels to KOTOR and NWN are better as well. Yeah such a Biodrone...moron.

#44 Posted by Desmonic (13448 posts) -

I hope FFXV turns out well but I doubt it especially since the combat system doesn't impress me.

I hated KH2 but I am willing to give KH3 a chance.

Expect very similar concepts as far as the combat system goes for both these games.

#46 Posted by jsmoke03 (12766 posts) -

@jsmoke03 said:

@SNIPER4321 said:

Deus Ex and Hitman save square enix. Not these pink girly games from popular franchise for little kids and girls.

didnt square say they were disappointed in the sales of hitman, tomb raider and sleeping dogs? not sure about deus ex.

Deus Ex was sold good. it was great game even thought dumbed down version of original game.

New Hitman, sleeping dogs and Tomb raider are bad games. New hitman is nothing like older hitman games. but hitman 6 could be good. sleeping dogs is terribly bland GTA clone with one button easy combat that feel even worse than Batman.

tomb raider was onrail uncharted clone with QTEs.

i didnt ask you what you thought about the game. im talking about sales numbers

#47 Posted by lundy86_4 (43010 posts) -

Oh what, I forgot, I love Dragon Age Origins....oh wait I don't. Oh wait, I think Obsidians sequels to KOTOR and NWN are better as well. Yeah such a Biodrone...moron.

#48 Posted by texasgoldrush (9138 posts) -

@KBFloYd said:

@Ghost120x said:

FF XV looks interesting but I hope there is some strong rpg game mechanics at work and the combat is good. KH storyline is ruined but the game can still be fun, I just hope the Disney worlds/ characters are fleshed out in this game. The last few games the worlds served merely as a point to get from A to B. The first game sora had more interaction with the characters and it felt like he fit right in with the storyline of a disney movie, now not so much.

if the new KH game is based on new disney...like the incredibles, monsters inc, cars, toy story..ill puke lol

It will probably have Frozen, Princess And the Frog, and Tangled as worlds with their characters. While Hunchback of Notre dame has been used in Dream Drop Distance, I would expect that they will return with it, the movie has been rediscovered and with a new stage play and a ABC miniseries on Esmeralda coming, Disney has been pushing it.

However expect Nomura, just like the first two games, to ignore what made these stories work and ruin them. Its like bad fan fiction.

#49 Posted by TigerSuperman (1984 posts) -

KH was never really that big of a thing though after the first 2 games.