What is going to save the Xbone now?

"I think its safe to assume that anyone with halo fever bought those games already and a usual"

Which means nothing. Clearly the whole point of this package has just flown over your head - its as much fan service, if not more, than it is for people who've never played Halo.

"Producing anygame and then not supporting it for less than a year is bad business."

Agreed, but whats that got to do with MCC? MCC is only a week old.

"Even if they fix the online multiplayer for this game"

They willfix the online for this game.

"I guarantee they are going to stop supporting the servers a couple moths after Halo 5 launches."

Okay 3 points to make here. One, you don't have a crystal ball, so you can't guarantee shit. Secondly, the beauty of this game being supported by the Azure network is that its server support can be scaled up or down, depending on demand therefore the chances of them just ending support are very slim. And thirdly, if the day were to ever come that they do stop dedicated servers, the online multiplayer can still be client hosted and therefore still be played.

So no, people will be playing MCC online for years to come.

"Moreover, if I recall only one Halo remake prior MCC was made and that was CE. Well that sold poorly on the 360 for the same exact reasons this MCC will sell poorly."

Selling over 2 million is poor? Really? Okay if we assume CE Anniveraary sold 'poorly', then we can attribute that to the fact it shipped without Halos multiplayer. I also wasn't in the publics eye like MCC is, nor was the hype anywhere near as high.

"They are not going to buy a game they already own."

Its not a game. Its a collection of games, with multiplayer intact and playable online. Thats not even mentioning the exclusive H2A multiplayer.

What can save xbox?......Probably the billions upon billions of dollars that Microsoft makes every year.

Why would the xbox need saving just because it's lagging in sales behind the PS4, both are selling better than the 360 and PS3 at this point last gen. I don't get how people can say that Xbox needs saving when M$ as a company makes huge profits, yet ignore the fact that Sony is loosing money every second of every day. I mean the Playstation division made a whole 200 million dollars that got eaten by an overall 1.2 billion dollar loss from Sony as a whole. M$ I don't really know the exact numbers but they brought in around 23 billion with 4 or 5 being all profit, and that was for just one quarter. Fiscal year 14 M$ reported 86 billion in revenue at this point M$ is capable of saving the xbox themselves, considering they only lost about 400 million to xbox division.

Let's answer this question why should lems worry about a sales war when Sony will never be in the same ballpark as M$ financially? In M$ first quarter of fiscal year 15 they had more revenue than Sony's over all networth as a company, MS 23 bil in first quarter >>>>Sony's 18 billion as a whole.

If xbox is the second place console this gen M$ will still have the means to try again next gen? That's if there is a next gen, if there is no next gen of game consoles we can pretty much kiss Sony goodbye at this point.

http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/PressReleaseAndWebcast/FY15/Q1/default.aspx

At this point its starting to look like all cows have to play is sales wars. Hmmm.....I guess those indies must not be too entertaining at this point, or maybe they are but they just aren't enough to warrant bragging rights over XB1 owners.

So, basically, you are just talking out of your ass and have absolutely no facts to back up what you are saying?

If that's the case, you may want to rephrase your comment to be "I think 3rd party support will start to leave." When you make a statement like what you did, then say "Umm... I have no proof", it is the essence of self-ownage.

Here's a fun fact for you: The XBox One will hit 10 million before the end of the year, if it hasn't done it already. 10 million sales for the 1st year is a success, not a failure. It doesn't really matter if the PS4 is at 13 million, or 16 million (by end of year) - The Xbox One is a viable platform, regardless of how much you want it not to be, and will continue to get 3rd party support.

Shipping 10M in your first year is merely setting yourself up for a bad second year if there's no demand to clean the channel. 10M "sold" isn't 10M sold. In fact, if the XBone falls under the sold-through numbers of the 360s first year DESPITE a 1M unit head start, that will in fact be bad.

And what's up with me having to explain a statement I literally qualified within the statement using historic pretext? I am not changing anything. This bird you cannot change.

In every other industry w/o direct sales, the units sold are units sold to retailers. Toyota does not say "we sold the most cars this year" based on models sold to consumers - it's models sold to dealers. And, if you searched the internet for console sales right now, you'd know that the XB1 is on a huge uptick, not a downward trend.

Also, you didn't qualify anything. If you want to look at historical context, why not address Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, or Metal Gear going 3rd party? It happens on both consoles - you just brought up Xbox because you wanted to make it seem like it's only happening to that platform; which is deceiving at best, but is more just a lie.

Or removing the Kinect, and slashing the price by 50 dollars AND bundle it up with a game. Yeah I think that might be the real reason. I'm just saying :x

I totally mentioned FFXIII and DMC going multiplat for that exact reason. Both of those games were announced as PS3 exclusives. Also mentioned Lost Planet being exclusive to Xbox for a while as well as games like Dead Rising, Infinite Undiscovery and Last Remnant.

Those same market forces are totally at play. It's like you're not reading what I'm writing because you already interpreted it as super ultra mega cow garbage and I'm not getting through to you. It's okay, as that is what I have come to expect from people after I light up the XBone more than a Christmas tree day in and day out.

Now. As far as the sales trends are concerned.. You will simply have to color me skeptical. With the price drop, bundling and launch of a Halo game it would be the absolute height of stupidity for one to assume sales would fly flat. It being the lead-up to the holidays, which are historically strong for the 360 makes it doubly so. However.. It is equally asinine to assume that with all of these stimulating effects firing off all at once at the beginning of November that this is a stable type of growth.

The real sales are in December. Black Friday kicks off the real show here. Ruling the roost for the first two weeks of November is not a free pass. The Master Chief Collection, on top of not being well-received here at Gamespot, is also not a NEW Halo game. Expectations that it will have the same effect that previous titles have had is a large gamble on the part of the person making that assumption. Doubly so considering it is barely in the top 20 on Amazon right now.

This is still going?

The Xbox One is fine, sure its trailing to the PS4 in terms of sales, but its a great console and the sales are decent enough. Its year one...people need to get some fucking perspective. We have been here before.

@RR360DD: lol sooooooooooooo much salt

loooooooooool you got owned

@Shewgenja: I don't think f13 was ever announced as an exclusive people just assumed. At E3 was when they publicly announced which platforms it would be on and all hell broke loose

It was. The Tokyo Game Show unveiling video listed it as being for PS3. It wasn't announced cross-platform til E3 '08.

@arkephonic:

That $50 price drop, LoL

Xbox one is DOUBLING PS4 sales in october in north america!

i expect it will triple ps4 sales in USA during november!

nobody in USA wants to play ps4 games in america...we just dont i don't even see a god of war or anything its all crap games right now like some unknown infamous game that nobody wants like jees nice try sony

kids today have spoken they play xbox live and call of duty and minecraft period an multiplayer games they don't have time for a crappy like infamous or whatever the hell sony is pushing on ps4 i dont even kno

just get the heck out sony.... we dont want u we never did .....were not about u at all in america maybe the euros maybe austrliaians or asians like sony or canadians like sony not here not in the real world tho...

here an america were playing xbox live and like call of duty and minecraft and maybe some creed/halo on the side get wiht the program foreigners

heres what were not playing ps4 games yeah sorry fellas na na were good americas good we dont want ps4s

Not in this thread, you didn't. You made a blanked comment "developers are leaving Xbox On in droves", but have and gave zero proof of it.

Can you quote me where I said that? I tried ctrl+f ing it and I think your green-tinted goggles may be getting the best of you here. I can see a scenario where they will, though, if the XBone doesn't sell-through above 7.5M units this year.

@RR360DD: nope lol, but not worth effort next time use bold though

@Shewgenja: oh

the hell kinda of logic is this? regardless of what any of these games score i've still got stuff to play on my x1. more than i can say for any ps4 user lol.

If only the cold scientific and mathematical realities supported that conclusion. They don't though. At least ignorance was bliss for a year, right?

next gen Gears of War and halo 5 will save the Xbone.

Still better than Flopclub.

He's just a piece of troll shit ignore him.

@Shewgenja:

You better quit ducking me boy.

I'm not hard to find.

You're great at hiding though. Why ignore me.

I won't bite. :p

I've checked all three pages of this thread and I have no idea what you're talking about. Just like I still don't know where I supposedly stated that developers are leaving the XBone in droves.

My conclusion:

I need a secret decoder ring or something that can see invisible internet ink to see the version of System Wars that Lemmings see.

Lemmings.. Just truth facts. You know like the eurogamer and gamespot PS4 year 1 reviews. That sound like they were stealing my material over the last six months.

The halo sticky... You know your dumbass killzone comparisons.

A reply would be nice. I want to test how high you can stack shit. :p

Why won't that happen? People keep saying that the X1 will never catch the PS4 in sales but I've yet to see any sensible reasons posted anywhere why it won't. People give Sony and the PS brand far more credit than it actually deserves. MS have been busting their asses fighting an uphill battle against constant negativity trying to make the X1 appeal to gamers since launch what has Sony done? The X1 is a well rounded system with it's own great exclusives which is now being sold in more countries and gamers who rushed out to purchase a PS4 first will eventually buy an X1 as well, just as they did with the PS3 which should increase X1 sales exponentially. I just believe that all this "it will never happen" is just wishful thinking on some peoples part.

I've tried arguing with you but you just stick your head in the sand and cry about "Paridee!" Easier to just mock you now. :)

I think it will be fine.

It won't sell PS4 numbers and it's struggling to beat WiiU (which is kind of sad), I still think it'll do fine in the long run.

Remember Tomb Raider is still Xbox One Exclusive.

Page 1 of this thread?

Did paraphrasing you throw you off?

Someone with your level of intellect trying to mock me. Talk about the gazelle trying to hunt a lion! HA HA HA HA!!!!

Please provide proof MCC is a flop, otherwise stop making these stupid threads.

It has issue yes, a flop most certainly not.

In the UK (where I am) its top of the charts and selling well.

I think you are the one that needs to remember something.

Tomb raider is a timed exclusive. The only thing this will achieve is hurt the franchise but not help to push the xbone.

There's a difference between paraphrasing and using creative license like Hollywood on a Judge Dredd movie.

They neither confirmed nor denied that Tomb Raider is a timed Exclusive.

Just so you know, Mass Effect 1 and 2 were "Timed Exclusives" too.

No, they pretty clearly stated that the excusivity has a "duration" aka timed.

Stop pretending its not.

Yeah? I dont remember this. Do you have a source for this claim?

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/14/mass-effect-2-set-to-be-a-360-timed-exclusive/

At least for ME 2. I'm not sure about ME1

Unless they advertise it as a timed exclusive. People will see it available on Xbox One and not on PS4. There for the real world will get an Xbox One to play it.

You don't see it saying timed exclusive in the shops. The only reason to do it is to help that console. So your wrong it will help the Xbox One.

Timed exclusive.....

Thanks, but I dont really see the correlation with Tomb Raider.

ME was a new IP, but Tomb Raider is a franchise close to PS.

So if his argument is that it will not release on PS4, I dont agree.

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames

WTF...hahhaa

PS4 on top of the xbox one on amazon again $399 no games beating the $350 assassin creed XBO bundle.? What the hell...hahaha

So that bold part confirm it then you are a 14 year old kid,my god that explain that rage toward gamespot calling it stupid..hahahaha

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/halo-masterchief-collection-discussion-thread-game-31644560/#1241

On the very start of the page you will see a poll,that poll say 88% of the voters voted that MCC would receive even a 9 or better score on gamespot.

The game got a 6..

http://www.gamespot.com/the-master-chief-collection/

That means Halo flop... Period now accept it and move on...

Tell that to the PS3

PS3 had a slow start due to price point. Something MS didn't learn....but Sony has always sold consoles. MS is more a niche console maker as they have not dominated world wide ever. And never came in first.....

Haha yeah its like last gen never even happened isnt it?

People forget what happened the gen before and write everything off as "impossible" and other blanket statements based on their own half ass analysis of an industry they think they understand because they can put a disc in slot. The best thing about system wars is laughing at the idiots who genuinely believe the nonsense they spout.

It's all happening according to plan.. It appears sales are trending back to the PS4.. Wasn't expecting it to happen quite this soon, though. I guess this hissy fit after DriveClub the Lems had and the subsequent "Oh my god, we outsold the PS4 for 10 days and all it took was a price drop, bundling and a Halo game" thing was fun while it lasted.

It was a good run Lems. Kiss your hopes of November domination goodbye, though.

Interestingly the answer to the question What is going to save the Xbone now? is...

To keep doing what they are doing, keep releasing the games people want to play, keep pushing the xbox as a family entertainment hub and keep competitive with the price. The success will follow. The PS4 is selling on hype alone and soon that hype will die when consumers realize there is very little to get excited about regarding the ps4.

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=sv_vg_12

The $400 PS4 core, non-bundled console is outselling the $350 Xbone Ass Creed Unity bundle. It's also outselling the MCC.

You know what else is outselling the MCC?

Just Dance, Madden, Borderlands, GTA V, both Pokemon versions, Smash 3DS, Smash Wii U, Far Cry 4 and Minecraft.

You'll be saying that the PS4 is selling more than the Xbone based on hype 6 years from now, too. I've accepted reality and realized it isn't hype that's selling it. Maybe some day you'll accept reality as well.