What if XB1's specs were different?

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#1 Posted by Batt1eRatt1e (108 posts) -

I don't know in depth answers about tech specs. So what if the XB1 had 128MB of ESRAM vs it's 32MB for example? Or what if it had 12GB of its RAM? What if it's processor was 2.25GHZ? What if it had combinations of these? What are some what if scenarios and how it would play out?

#2 Posted by Nengo_Flow (9807 posts) -

Seriously, whats with all these new accounts in the last couple of weeks?

#3 Edited by leandrro (899 posts) -

@batt1eratt1e said:

I don't know in depth answers about tech specs. So what if the XB1 had 128MB of ESRAM vs it's 32MB for example? Or what if it had 12GB of its RAM? What if it's processor was 2.25GHZ? What if it had combinations of these? What are some what if scenarios and how it would play out?

no difference at all, its bottlenecked by the slow and cheap GPU

GPU costs up to 40 or 50% of a gaming machine and thats were M$ got cheap

#4 Posted by Batt1eRatt1e (108 posts) -

@Nengo_Flow: Son, I had an account at GS long before you were even thought of. Try like 2003-2004. I stopped coming here. What's with every single time someone new makes a post someone asks the idiot question, what's with these new accounts? I don't, what with these old accounts? Answer the question or get off the thread.

#5 Edited by Nengo_Flow (9807 posts) -
@batt1eratt1e said:

@Nengo_Flow: Son, I had an account at GS long before you were even thought of. Try like 2003-2004. I stopped coming here. What's with every single time someone new makes a post someone asks the idiot question, what's with these new accounts? I don't, what with these old accounts? Answer the question or get off the thread.

aw... he's all upset

#6 Posted by Batt1eRatt1e (108 posts) -

@Nengo_Flow: Oh yes, fuming

#7 Posted by k2theswiss (16599 posts) -

@Nengo_Flow said:
@batt1eratt1e said:

@Nengo_Flow: Son, I had an account at GS long before you were even thought of. Try like 2003-2004. I stopped coming here. What's with every single time someone new makes a post someone asks the idiot question, what's with these new accounts? I don't, what with these old accounts? Answer the question or get off the thread.

aw... he's all upset

haha

#8 Posted by k2theswiss (16599 posts) -

cows will still be cows with ps4

even if the x1 was more powerful bad PR is what has hurt it the most (Still think don tried to sabotage consoles so everyone play shitty zanga games)

esram is harder to work with and would still be same boat where the 32gb is right now

12gbs may been nice but, it's even with ps4 and that isn't the issue as it's the speed of it.

~o well one had to be weaker then the other and shouldn't be any shocker that the ps4 is.

#9 Posted by no-scope-AK47 (2806 posts) -

The gpu would still be much weaker on the x1.

#10 Posted by Wasdie (49995 posts) -

Well if the Xbox One was equal to the PS4 in power it wouldn't have the negative press on the gaming forums about bad ports. That does eventually filter into the general audience and can hurt the reputation.

Other than that nothing will have changed.

#11 Edited by indigenous_euphoria (157 posts) -

@batt1eratt1e said:

I don't know in depth answers about tech specs. So what if the XB1 had 128MB of ESRAM vs it's 32MB for example? Or what if it had 12GB of its RAM? What if it's processor was 2.25GHZ? What if it had combinations of these? What are some what if scenarios and how it would play out?

Actually It has16 GB of ram.8 GB eMMC NAND Flash and 8GB of DDR3. lol:P

#12 Posted by darkspineslayer (19741 posts) -

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, SW would always have a merry Christmas.

#13 Edited by Wickerman777 (1257 posts) -

If the GPU was as good or better than PS4's I'd get it ... enthusiastically. But just a little over 1 tflop doesn't cut it. Both of these systems should have been a minimum of 2 tflops. At least PS4 is somewhat close to that.

#14 Edited by Lulu_Lulu (13588 posts) -

The Specs don't change whats behind Microsoft's paywall.

#15 Posted by Gue1 (10180 posts) -

in the holy gaming texts written on http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/ by the prophets of gaming, a prophecy was unveiled. "In the year of 2013 the savior of gaming, PlayStation 4, Son of Sony, will be born" .

^ This mean that there are no alternate worlds where the PS4 wouldn't dominate.

#16 Edited by Nonstop-Madness (9483 posts) -

No point of have 128MB of ESRAM and 12GB of RAM when the GPU is unable to take full advantage of it. Not to mention ESRAM is expensive and the die area would be quite large, contributing to the overall size of the console.

#17 Posted by Chutebox (37344 posts) -

What if they ditched Kinect and put that money into the X1's hardware? That's the only "what if" that needs to be asked.

#18 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (7392 posts) -

@leandrro: lol. I wish I could believe only the good things, gathered from pro Sony sites too. Keep that brainwash to yourself.

#19 Posted by stereointegrity (10730 posts) -

@indigenous_euphoria said:

@batt1eratt1e said:

I don't know in depth answers about tech specs. So what if the XB1 had 128MB of ESRAM vs it's 32MB for example? Or what if it had 12GB of its RAM? What if it's processor was 2.25GHZ? What if it had combinations of these? What are some what if scenarios and how it would play out?

Actually It has16 GB of ram.

8 GB eMMC NAND Flash and 8GB

of

DDR3. lol:P

Please stop posting when u have no clue what ur talking about...

Nand flash has nothing to do with ram in this system andis just a sstorage for the OS and updates...

#20 Edited by Bigboi500 (29999 posts) -

It would still have the same boring exclusive franchises and they'd still be few and far between.

#21 Posted by indigenous_euphoria (157 posts) -

@stereointegrity said:

@indigenous_euphoria said:

@batt1eratt1e said:

I don't know in depth answers about tech specs. So what if the XB1 had 128MB of ESRAM vs it's 32MB for example? Or what if it had 12GB of its RAM? What if it's processor was 2.25GHZ? What if it had combinations of these? What are some what if scenarios and how it would play out?

Actually It has16 GB of ram.

8 GB eMMC NAND Flash and 8GB

of

DDR3. lol:P

Please stop posting when u have no clue what ur talking about...

Nand flash has nothing to do with ram in this system andis just a sstorage for the OS and updates...

You took me seriously lol:p But i don't believe that's it's sole purpose is for OS updates. and I know Nand Flash isn't the same as ram. Nand cant be used for heavy write operations. The Nand would deteriorate too fast.

I can see this doing server caching tho. With tiled resources and HSA it really would help because it reads the data faster than a standard hardrive and would accelerate serial processing and further compression for a server cache.

8gb nand is massive for server cache too. This is how Cloud will have massive memory. 8gb nand per console memory will never be a problem. The only problem is the 8gb Nand cant be really utilized offline as its purpose is probably to accelerate and provide memory for cloud caching. Just a thought

#22 Edited by CrownKingArthur (4894 posts) -

tc

i think it would be a moot point, at least for me it would be.

if xb1 were far more powerful than ps4, it would still come down to games for someone like myself. personally, forza 5 is the only next gen console exclusive i'm remotely interested in, and i'm not going to buy an xbone just to play it.

but i guess the greater question relates to how more graphics, a better reveal etc would have affected initial sales of xb1 vs ps4.

who knows? i think ms handled their reveal very poorly and failed to describe what they were up to. sony gained a lot of momentum, and I suspect quite a few people were ready to jump on next gen after the very long 7th gen.

maybe if the showings had been more even, the console war would seem more even now.

one things for sure - if ms wanted to charge $499 instead of ps4's $399, well, with or without kinect I expect better graphics from the more expensive system.

#23 Edited by Gaming-Planet (14022 posts) -

@batt1eratt1e said:

I don't know in depth answers about tech specs. So what if the XB1 had 128MB of ESRAM vs it's 32MB for example? Or what if it had 12GB of its RAM? What if it's processor was 2.25GHZ? What if it had combinations of these? What are some what if scenarios and how it would play out?

It would overheat and the bloated ram would be a bottleneck to its weak processor.

#24 Posted by cainetao11 (17691 posts) -

@batt1eratt1e: Hooah bro. I used to wonder that but Ive seen and used both consoles now and they're both damn good consoles. I don't know why or how power became so important, because the PS2 wasn't all that powerful, yet awesome. Also if I was all crazy about power then I wouldn't game on a console, I'd have the true power in gaming, a top notch PC.

#25 Posted by RealJaysonguy (219 posts) -

If the Xbox One was the more powerful console, this board would be exactly the same down to the last post, only the fans would swap and make the same arguments for different consoles.

#26 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

@realjaysonguy said:

If the Xbox One was the more powerful console, this board would be exactly the same down to the last post, only the fans would swap and make the same arguments for different consoles.

Yes.

#27 Edited by ronvalencia (15129 posts) -

@batt1eratt1e said:

I don't know in depth answers about tech specs. So what if the XB1 had 128MB of ESRAM vs it's 32MB for example? Or what if it had 12GB of its RAM? What if it's processor was 2.25GHZ? What if it had combinations of these? What are some what if scenarios and how it would play out?

No, wrong direction.

If MS didn't want to bet on 8 GB GDDR5, it should have configured for 2GB GDDR5 + 8GB DDR3 memory set-up and relocated the 32MB eSRAM chip space for a large GPU.

Such config was shown as iBuyPower's $499 Steam machine with Radeon HD R9-270 (2.38 TFlops). Radeon R9 270 plays BF4 better than PS4's 1.84 TFlops GPU.

#28 Posted by KillzoneSnake (1749 posts) -

It would be bigger. Right now its a really big ugly looking VCR. With better specs it would be the size of 10 ps4s lol

#29 Edited by j2zon2591 (2239 posts) -

More expensive then less market penetration.

#30 Edited by sukraj (23023 posts) -

@batt1eratt1e said:

@Nengo_Flow: Oh yes, fuming

meh chana not fuming

#31 Edited by Gargus (2147 posts) -

I wouldn't give a shit what the specs were.

Im not interested in xbox one because....

1) Price is too high.

2) It has no games on it that I want, or any announced that I want. Given microsofts track record of the types of games it pushes I don't forsee it having many exclusive must own games.

3) I don't want or care about Kinect.

4) It pushes too much on multimedia all in one box stuff I don't care about when all I want a gaming system for is to play games.

5) It forces a purchase of XBL in order to talk to friends, send messages, use Netflix and so on for a price that costs more for PS+ which isn't required as much and gives back a lot more.

And a dozen other little things that have nothing at all to do with the systems specs. Xbox one doesn't interest me not because of its lack of power, but because of everything else. Ill get one at some point but it will be another year or 2.

#32 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151343 posts) -

What if. What if I hit the lottery.....

#33 Posted by _Matt_ (8924 posts) -

@realjaysonguy said:

If the Xbox One was the more powerful console, this board would be exactly the same down to the last post, only the fans would swap and make the same arguments for different consoles.

Preeeeetty much.

Also I would have probably got an XBO instead of a PS4 as first 8th gen machine.

#34 Edited by bforrester420 (1654 posts) -

@Lulu_Lulu said:

The Specs don't change whats behind Microsoft's paywall.

This has always been my biggest philosophical gripe with Microsoft's consoles, OG XBox excluded. AA batteries, charge kits, netflix behind paywall, WiFi adapters (until hardware updates)...they milked the shit out of you with the 360.

I didn't get an OG Xbox because, well, it wasn't anywhere near as good as PS2 in terms of software.

#35 Edited by shellcase86 (1934 posts) -

I'm not really concerned with the specs. Moreso their policy and attitude toward software development.

#36 Posted by Martin_G_N (1723 posts) -

Microsoft could have done this way differently. But they prioritized media capabilities and Kinect instead of gaming, which was'nt really surprising when you look at the last years of the X360.

Like previously stated here, more of the same slow memory wouldn't help the X1. It would have to have a faster main memory and a better GPU.

#37 Posted by no-scope-AK47 (2806 posts) -

Lot of what if's won't change what is. Besides if they did improve the specs the xflops price would be even higher.

#38 Edited by jsolidus (165 posts) -

the console, its power nor its price is the problem , Its M$. I knew M$ was a greedy arrogant corporation last gen and its why I had zero interest in the 360. The 360 was breaking weeks after launch and M$ didnt even care until 2-3 years down the line. They're still a greedy arrogant corporation but they decided to be open about it and thats why they are struggling to this day..I find it comical that lems are relying on a price drop or a new kinect free version this early into the gen. M$ is not the type of company that price drops after 2 months.

#39 Posted by Vatusus (4673 posts) -

I still wouldnt care about it cause none of MS 1st party titles are interesting. Sony always delivered in high quality exclusives so I still would support playstation