What are your personal gripes with Xbox One?

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#1 Posted by arkephonic (6279 posts) -
  • I don't like how the system is less powerful than the PS4 but costs more.
  • It bothers me how Microsoft doesn't support their systems. They dropped support for the original Xbox when the 360 released and they are doing the same thing with the Xbox 360.
  • Reports are coming out saying the Xbox One is being rushed and will have hardware issues like the Red Ring of Death.
  • Reports are also coming out saying games aren't even outputting in 1080p on Xbox One.
  • All of the controller comparison reviews are saying that the DualShock 4 is far superior to the Xbox One controller, with the Xbox One controller being worse than the 360 controller.
  • Not enough good 1st party exclusive franchises.
  • More expensive online than PS4.

Kinect 2.0 is garbage just like the Kinect 1.0

Here's an article posted a couple weeks ago from Kotaku regarding hands on experience with Kinect 2.0

http://kotaku.com/why-im-a-little-bit-worried-about-kinect-1381738496

I am a little bit worried about Kinect.

I’ve just spent 10 minutes being scanned into Kinect Sports Rivals. I’m not sure if it’s working correctly. The only feedback I am being given is from a Microsoft rep to my right. He’s politely giving me instructions when the Kinect (for some reason) stops the scan.

“Take a step forward.”

“Take a step back.”

“Maybe just tilt your head a little bit left.”

After this laborious effort (which I’m assured will be streamlined before launch) Kinect Sports Rivals goes through the process of translating the information into a virtual representation of me. As it does its calculations I ask myself, ‘if this is difficult with a Microsoft representative guiding me step by step, how difficult will it be for a ten year old in the comfort of his or her own home, or parents who’ve never used a console before?’1

Then my avatar pops up. It looks vaguely like me. Vaguely. That’s being generous. The 3DS did a similar job of creating my Mii with a single low-resolution photograph. Was it really worth all that effort?

Now to play Kinect Sports Rivals itself. The rep sets up a two player game. Rock climbing. As someone obsessed with rock climbing (I climb three times a week) I’m super excited. I stand side by side with the Microsoft rep. Immediately I notice there is something wrong. My avatar’s limbs are contorted like some screwed up Lovecraftian marionette, my arms twitch incessantly, clearly not responding to any of my movements.

I think we have a problem here.

Yesterday I spent a fair amount of time with the Xbox One’s new Kinect, and it seemed like a significant chunk of that time was spent trying to get things to work when (two months from the launch of Xbox One) they should simply work.3

We were supposed to be forgiving, and we were. After two player Rock Climbing on Kinect Sports Rivals clearly wasn’t working, I was happy to simply try out the single player, despite Microsoft making a big fuss of the fact Kinect allows multiple players on-screen simultaneously. Single player climbing worked more fluidly but, regardless, I never really felt like I was in control of my actions. My movements weren’t being replicated accurately. I felt as though I was fumbling my way to the top with no real in-game feedback; no real sense that Kinect was working as advertised.

‘The lag has been reduced massively’: that’s what we’re constantly being told in conferences, in communications with Microsoft, in interviews, in previews. I have no doubt there are figures to back those statements up, but the disconnect between my movements in real life as replicated on screen is obvious. I feel it, instantly, and it makes playing any game with Kinect a frustrating experience. The next game I play is Wakeboarding, it feels a little better than climbing, but it’s nowhere near responsive enough. The delay is obvious to anyone who plays it, to the point where I can’t imagine anyone investing in it to any great extent.

I find myself asking another question: three years after the release of Kinect, how many video games have really worked well with Kinect? I come up with two names. Two. Dance Central and Child of Eden. In three years. Is it possible that Kinect just isn’t suited for video games?

#2 Edited by cainetao11 (17341 posts) -

I don't like that they wont give me one for free. Seriously the whole less powerful than PS4 but more expensive is weak. They don't base price strictly on power, deal with it. And if power is so important, go PC, you'll beat both. Also Gunstringer and Fable worked well. played both with my nephew on leave, and had a blast.

#3 Posted by Chutebox (36996 posts) -

Is price and kinect. That's all

#4 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

Lack of exclusives I actually want to play. I have my PC for multiplats so exclusive lineup is what will sell me a next gen system and Sony usually have better exclusives for my gaming tastes

#5 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (13821 posts) -

Microsoft hasn't had the best track record for proving they support their systems lately, that and the higher $100 price point, the fact the two most hyped games seem to be Ryse and Titanfall, one of which is a multiplat doesn't do much to solidify it having the stronger launch library in my eyes.

That and I'm a big fan of the Sony exclusive franchises, possibly the fact the ps4 will also have a large japanese developer following most likely helps my decision.

#6 Posted by FinalFighters (1427 posts) -

forced upon Kinect and the possibilty MS will abandon the system after 3-4 years like they did with the 360.

#7 Posted by mems_1224 (46963 posts) -

kinect is really the only downside for me right now

#8 Edited by ZoomZoom2490 (3943 posts) -

128-bit memory bus that was used for graphics 15 years ago.

#9 Posted by sebbi11 (1190 posts) -

When making pontless fake topics like these, at least try to limit the troll level dumbass.

#10 Posted by Jankarcop (9275 posts) -

1. No exclusives like the other 2 xbox's

2. Bad hardware. Low gfx/performance, worst version of most multiplats. Most games best on PC.

3. Kinect focus on games (or non games as I should say).

4. Terrible Online. M$ = Late patches, no mods, bad community, bad indy scnee, lag, no competitive scene, pay for advertisements

5. Worst controller

#11 Posted by psymon100 (6138 posts) -

Oh look. A thread which is partially recycled from a post.

I've seen games run on both consoles.

My gripes with Xbox One are price, Kinect 2, Xbox Live subscription fee, a lack of certainty regarding family sharing.

#12 Edited by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

@arkephonic:

1. Kinect

2. Lack of diverse quality exclusives. Halo, Fable, Forza yearly/bi-yearly releases does nothing for me. Dead Rising 3 and Ryse look like crap to me.

3. Weak hardware. They should have spent the money they used on Kinect on a better GPU and faster RAM.

4. Price. No way around this, paying more for weaker hardware just goes against logic and MS hasn't done a good job of convincing me why I should.

5. MS keeping apps behind a paywall.

6. PS+ is just better value any way you look at it. $50/year and I get free games and discounts. With XBLive I get nothing but Skype and Netflix.

#13 Posted by blackace (20562 posts) -

@arkephonic: Only the price, but i can live with that if the Kinect turns out to be useful and much better then the original. Other than that, nothing else really bothers me.

Only thing that bothers me about the PS4 is that they haven't really allowed the public to play it yet. We have not even seen inside of the hardware so it can be analyzed like the XB1. Rumors of the hardware overheating and shutting down may also be a problem. Can't wait for both systems to come out. I'm glad the PS4 s launching first. If there are issues, Sony will be the first one criticized this time around.

#14 Posted by TwistedShade (3164 posts) -

#1 Having to pay more for Kinect when I will surely never use it. #2 Needlessly tacked on charges, like having to buy rechargeable batteries for the Controller when the PS3's does it out of the box. #3 Worry if Microsoft will drop "Hardcore" Support and chase casuals again, I know they did that with the 360 and compared to the PS3 which got a TON of games later in it's life cycle I wouldn't like it if they did.

#15 Posted by arkephonic (6279 posts) -

I don't like that they wont give me one for free. Seriously the whole less powerful than PS4 but more expensive is weak. They don't base price strictly on power, deal with it. And if power is so important, go PC, you'll beat both. Also Gunstringer and Fable worked well. played both with my nephew on leave, and had a blast.

Why would it be more expensive if it were less powerful?

#16 Edited by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

@blackace said:

@arkephonic: Only the price, but i can live with that if the Kinect turns out to be useful and much better then the original. Other than that, nothing else really bothers me.

Only thing that bothers me about the PS4 is that they haven't really allowed the public to play it yet. We have not even seen inside of the hardware so it can be analyzed like the XB1. Rumors of the hardware overheating and shutting down may also be a problem. Can't wait for both systems to come out. I'm glad the PS4 s launching first. If there are issues, Sony will be the first one criticized this time around.

Actually you're wrong on this one bro. There are already PS4 kiosks in Europe, here is one from Germany:

As for the pic of PS4 overheating the image confirmed fake by Yoshida on Twitter. Looks like someone had fun with photoshopping the red light on PS4.

#17 Edited by GamingGod999 (2983 posts) -

It's a product from Microsoft.

Derpy derp

#18 Posted by lundy86_4 (43209 posts) -

As it stands, I don't really have any.

#19 Edited by Stevo_the_gamer (42716 posts) -

Aside from the high price, no gripe at all.

#20 Edited by s_h_a_d_o (1292 posts) -
What are your personal gripes with Xbox One?

The company that manufactures it, and the extortionate practises thereof.

#21 Posted by musicalmac (22971 posts) -

Your biggest gripes are based on speculation. You have formed an opinion based not on things you know to be true, but on things you imagine to be true. Have you thought about that, @arkephonic.

#22 Edited by Chickan_117 (16329 posts) -

@sebbi11 said:

When making pontless fake topics like these, at least try to limit the troll level dumbass.

Lol. Good call. However it is interesting reading about all these gripes people have with a system they've yet to play.

#23 Posted by KBFloYd (13427 posts) -

i dont want to pay 100$ for kinect...

thats my only gripe.

#24 Posted by RimacBugatti (1258 posts) -

To be honest based on the value of the dollar now versus when original Xbox released I would say that the price is reasonable. Looks wise in my opinion the Xbox One looks like it's from the early 90's. My personal opinion is that if your aren't going to boost performance significantly than just continue developing for the current console since the difference in performance is very similar. What's the point in upgrading if it's not an upgrade. Basically we are purchasing a $500 console for a RAM upgrade and an older looking console. Why couldn't they just sell us an add on for the 360/PS4? Overall the system design is ok and the games look a little better so we will just have to see.

#25 Posted by remiks00 (1802 posts) -

I don't really have any major dislikes about the xbone itself. I just don't fancy Microsoft anymore, they really need to get their shit together imo. I don't want to give them anymore of my money until they change, or start appealing to me. This is coming from a guy that was once a fan of Big Brother

#26 Edited by aroxx_ab (9471 posts) -

It is a Microsoft console, it says all...

Playstation is the best way to experience console-gaming...

Oh and i have not forget what MS tried to do with Xbone180

#27 Posted by XBOunity (2981 posts) -

@arkephonic: I love xbo but I think they should of went with a better hw design. Should be a 1080p console. 900p pisses me off and I do think we will see alot of 900p in the future. Sony has my purchase now and I might get multis on ps4. I hate the online ui with ps4 but it is a safe bet for 1080p and thats a huge selling point.

#28 Posted by PSdual_wielder (10646 posts) -

Not much exclusives that are targeted towards core gamer

Microsoft as a company no longer speaks positively to people about their values, which is more important than it seems. People I talked to who work at MS even admitted there are problems with their management structure. The actions they have done recently gave them a terrible image in front of the public. There was a TED talk about how consumers buy what a company thinks and not what they do, and it is the values of companies that paints the image which the public react to. Like say Apple does so much to let people know they believe in innovative products, that's why they made the iphone and ipad etc. Most of the things microsoft has done recently only gives themselves the image of wanting people's money.

#29 Posted by joel_c17 (2835 posts) -

I dont have a problem with the XBone i have a problem with how microsoft supports games - look at this gen - after 2010 the support from MS has been horrible. And what little games the Xbox got were just rehashes of the same old milked franchise. The 360 didnt have a AAAE after 2006 that wasnt gears halo or forza.

#30 Posted by -RPGamer- (34283 posts) -
  • I don't want Kinect
  • I want Halo
#31 Edited by cainetao11 (17341 posts) -

@arkephonic said:
@cainetao11 said:

I don't like that they wont give me one for free. Seriously the whole less powerful than PS4 but more expensive is weak. They don't base price strictly on power, deal with it. And if power is so important, go PC, you'll beat both. Also Gunstringer and Fable worked well. played both with my nephew on leave, and had a blast.

Why would it be more expensive if it were less powerful?

Uhm, maybe because it comes with a camera bundled in? And everyone here acts like the difference is on the level of Wii to PS3.

#32 Posted by Sweenix (5399 posts) -

I actually don't have any personal gripes against xbone

I just think it's overpriced, that's all

#33 Edited by treedoor (7648 posts) -

TC, have you ever tried going outside? You really should try it sometime.

Your hatred for MS seems a bit unhealthy, and it'll do you some good to get some fresh air.

#34 Posted by Razor_defiace (1618 posts) -

I don't like puke green boxes...

j/k I don't like the forced inclusion of kinect. Kinect is just a dumb gimmick like the eyetoy in my opinion.

#35 Posted by Caseytappy (2132 posts) -

Underpowered, Kinect, price , looking back on how MS treated the 360 the last two years, anti consumer shit they tried to force on us but had to let go .

Add it all up and there's my reason to go for the PS4 next gen .

#36 Edited by Suppaman100 (3860 posts) -

kinect is really the only downside for me right now

So you don't care that the console is underpowered and costs more than the competition who has a superior product hardware wise?

Do you also not care that MS wanted to bring DRM to the gaming industry?

Are you also not worried that MS would leave the Xbone without support when a successor is released?

Are you not worried about the possible privacy issues?

Aren't you worried that Xbone is focused around kinect and thus casual gamers?

Are you not worried that it will be Halo/gears/forza all gen long again, without any good new IP's?

...

#37 Edited by sukraj (22597 posts) -

Asid from the high price nothing really.

#38 Posted by clyde46 (46006 posts) -

£430.

#39 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (17468 posts) -

Nothing. It's a electronic device with no feelings. I will own an XBOX one, and a PS4, and Wii U.

The same way I owned all the previous gen consoles.

#40 Posted by Heil68 (43952 posts) -

That Kinect(lol) is not an option and is being shoved down your throat.

#41 Posted by j_assassin (900 posts) -

ps4 just have more variety of exclusives, although I like the feel of the xboxs controller

#42 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (7138 posts) -

$500

paid online

lack of exclusives

no trust in Microsoft at all

#43 Posted by Floppy_Jim (25644 posts) -

The fact that it's been an utter clusterfuck. Sure it'll end up fine though.

#44 Posted by Renegade_Fury (17114 posts) -

How anti-consumer the console was designed to be, and how it could still potentially be again

I'm not paying more for a weaker console

No backwards compatibility for XBLA games

I don't want to use kinect

#45 Posted by NFJSupreme (5295 posts) -

Price performance ratio. I can't upgrade hdd. The ps4 specs were the absolute bare minimum I wanted for this Gen and the xbone being even lower than that is disheartening. Xbone is worth 300 to me.

#46 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

Under powered

Cost too much

Kinect

Those are my main reasons for avoiding the X1. Kinect is the single biggest issue though if I had to pick just one.

#47 Edited by bezza2011 (2408 posts) -

i'll probably get an xbox one in the future but for me.

ps4 is cheaper end of, they are the same in comparison there won't be much of a difference anyway there level playing fields so for me why am i paying more.

i love sony exclusives as much as i like the offering from microsoft there isn't much on offer first party for me to stump up the cash, yes they have a better line up with the 3 extra games, but in the long run i know i'm getting ripped off.

with there e3 rubbish and all that stuff backing it all up and then reversing it all i feel like i can't trust them as a company and i feel sony wants me to be passionate about games as they are, i feel sony are passionate and microsoft are just after the money. even tho both are after the money, i feel as a gamer sony is offering me a lot better deal in the long run than microsoft, it's like going into a shop and getting mobbed to buy something and pushed into it, while the other one is going listen this is the price were trying our best we will do the best we can and we will support you no matter what your choice, and the latter i feel is how sony is doing business and i like that

#48 Edited by jer_1 (7451 posts) -

Kinect, kinect, kinect, and the systems lack of performance. Not a chance i'd give microshaft $250 for a lame ass camera that even devs don't want to use. When the camera's value is equal to the consoles value you should know that there's a massive f*ck up going on, I won't support that with my wallet.

Once they drop the kinect (it's going to happen sooner or later) and get some games under their belt then I'll reconsider.

#49 Edited by Zophar87 (4347 posts) -

I don't like how shady Microsoft has been with the system.

I don't like how it forces Kinect down my throat even though I have no interest in it.

I don't like how Kinect collects user's data so they can use it for advertisements

I don't like how I'm plagued with advertisements even though I pay $60 a year for the service.

I don't like how I'm forced to pay for video functions like Netflix.

I don't like paying more for a console that's weaker and more expensive than it's competition.

I don't particularly care for it's first-party games.

I don't like how the controller still uses AA batteries.

I can't upgrade the HDD.

#50 Edited by Wasdie (49747 posts) -

It's too high of a price for what it offers. The competition is more powerful and more focused. Microsoft is trying to diversify the audience and all signs point to them further monetizing their services they offer through advertising or direct microtransactions for every aspect of the console. There is also a lack of long-term games. They haven't announced many new IPs, their indie game support is a bit lack luster, third party rarely does exclusive games, and last generation they proved to not want to invest in their video game lineup. They aren't adapting to the free-to-play market either.

When you add up all of these things, the Xbox One doesn't seem like a good console for gamers. Microsoft's head isn't in the game. They are thinking more about how to make a lot of money rather than offer a good product. They take people's willingness to pay for XBL as a sign they can continue monitizeing. The amount of advertisements I saw on the Xbox 360 dashboard despite being an XBL subscriber myself was disheartening and was proof that Microsoft has moved away from providing a service and is now just trying to keep the profit margin high.

Long term prospects are weak. Weaker hardware, forced Kinect, a bloated OS, and in general Microsoft's company wide long-term prospects are kind of weak for the consumer.