Watch_Dogs = PS4: 1080p/30fps, Xbox One: 960p/30fps

  • 176 results
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4

This topic is locked from further discussion.

Avatar image for misterpmedia
misterpmedia

6209

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

#1 misterpmedia
Member since 2013 • 6209 Posts

http://www.thearabgamer.com/2014/03/watch-dogs-1080p-on-ps4-960p-on-xbox.html

Called it ages ago.

Special shout out to mister X who thought that Watch Dogs' delay was because of the PS4 version (Over exaggerated wink.).

In this thread we discuss this and predict the next inferior Xbone multiplat.

Avatar image for lglz1337
lglz1337

4959

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

#2  Edited By lglz1337
Member since 2013 • 4959 Posts

bahahahahaha all for 500 dollars ladies

you get the best all from the cloud

Xbone is a beast

TCHBO

Avatar image for MonsieurX
MonsieurX

39858

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#3 MonsieurX
Member since 2008 • 39858 Posts

PC wins as usual:

  • PC: up to 4K/framerate varies

Consoles still fighting for 2nd place

Avatar image for lglz1337
lglz1337

4959

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

#4  Edited By lglz1337
Member since 2013 • 4959 Posts

@MonsieurX: buy 5 gfx cards no thx

Avatar image for PinkieWinkie
PinkieWinkie

1454

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#5 PinkieWinkie
Member since 2006 • 1454 Posts

@MonsieurX: You own a Wii U.....lol

Avatar image for princessgomez92
PrincessGomez92

5747

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 201

User Lists: 5

#6  Edited By PrincessGomez92
Member since 2013 • 5747 Posts

So the Xbox One version is an unplayable mess.

Avatar image for Wasdie
Wasdie

53622

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 23

User Lists: 0

#7 Wasdie  Moderator
Member since 2003 • 53622 Posts

@lglz1337: wut

Avatar image for lglz1337
lglz1337

4959

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

#8 lglz1337
Member since 2013 • 4959 Posts

@Wasdie: you think this game will run 4k on a single card ?

Avatar image for MonsieurX
MonsieurX

39858

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#9 MonsieurX
Member since 2008 • 39858 Posts

@lglz1337 said:

@MonsieurX: buy 5 gfx cards no thx

So I need 5 graphic cards to run Watch Dog? wat?

@PinkieWinkie said:

@MonsieurX: You own a Wii U.....lol

....and?

Avatar image for Netret0120
Netret0120

3594

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#10 Netret0120
Member since 2013 • 3594 Posts

It's now Resolution wars it seems.

Avatar image for Wasdie
Wasdie

53622

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 23

User Lists: 0

#11 Wasdie  Moderator
Member since 2003 • 53622 Posts

@lglz1337: Depends on how well it's optimized. I'm sure a Titan, 290 ultra, or a 780ti could probably do it. May not be a steady 60fps constantly though. 4k is pretty demanding.

Avatar image for Salt_The_Fries
Salt_The_Fries

12480

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#12 Salt_The_Fries
Member since 2008 • 12480 Posts

You cows wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially when you couldn't tell if Killzone SF multiplayer was 960x1080p.

Avatar image for chikenfriedrice
chikenfriedrice

13561

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#13 chikenfriedrice
Member since 2006 • 13561 Posts

That's not the end of the world

Avatar image for bodde1972
bodde1972

117

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#14 bodde1972
Member since 2013 • 117 Posts

Wtf is up with these crazy random resolutions on the Xbone? 960p WD and 792p TF whats next 867,5p?

Avatar image for PinkieWinkie
PinkieWinkie

1454

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#15  Edited By PinkieWinkie
Member since 2006 • 1454 Posts

@MonsieurX: bashes xbone and ps4 nonstop, owns a WiiU...oh the irony

Avatar image for CrownKingArthur
CrownKingArthur

5262

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#16 CrownKingArthur
Member since 2013 • 5262 Posts

pretty expected

will be interesting to hear DF's analysis, although I'm losing confidence in them lately.

Avatar image for Cyberdot
Cyberdot

3928

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#17 Cyberdot
Member since 2013 • 3928 Posts

I'll be playing the game at 1080p and 60fps with prettier graphics.

Avatar image for lglz1337
lglz1337

4959

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

#18  Edited By lglz1337
Member since 2013 • 4959 Posts

@Wasdie: hmmm ok interesting

Avatar image for deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318

4166

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#19 deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
Member since 2008 • 4166 Posts

@bodde1972: Marketing i reckon, heck apparently X1 games no longer have the resolution on the back of the game box any more it's such a PR **** storm.

PS4 version was always going to be the version to get because of the exclusive DLC. The better performance was kind of inevitable too.

Avatar image for misterpmedia
misterpmedia

6209

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

#20  Edited By misterpmedia
Member since 2013 • 6209 Posts

To start the ball rolling. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they'll be a confirmeddisparity between the boxes with next gen Witcher game.

Avatar image for blackace
blackace

23576

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#21 blackace
Member since 2002 • 23576 Posts

@misterpmedia said:

http://www.thearabgamer.com/2014/03/watch-dogs-1080p-on-ps4-960p-on-xbox.html

Called it ages ago.

Special shout out to mister X who thought that Watch Dogs' delay was because of the PS4 version (Over exaggerated wink.).

In this thread we discuss this and predict the next inferior Xbone multiplat.

Who the hell is the TheArabGamer.com? LOL!!! They don't even have a link to Ubisoft's conference. It may be true, but I'd rather see it on a Ubisoft site. There aren't any other sites confirming this at the moment. Right now, it's just a rumor. This game won't run at 4K smoothly on a PC. Maybe at 15-20fps. Hopefully this game will be good after all the delays. What's the frame rate?

Avatar image for MonsieurX
MonsieurX

39858

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#22 MonsieurX
Member since 2008 • 39858 Posts

@PinkieWinkie said:

@MonsieurX: bashes xbone and ps4 nonstop, owns a WiiU...oh the irony

And how's this relevant to this thread exactly?

Can't blame me since xbone and ps4 doesn't offer anything interesting yet

Avatar image for deactivated-5a44ec138c1e6
deactivated-5a44ec138c1e6

2638

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 5

#23 deactivated-5a44ec138c1e6
Member since 2013 • 2638 Posts

Wow so know the Xbox One is completely unplayable, right?....

Spoiled brats..... think they know what they are talking about....

Resolution ?

Pfft I say Smellsolution.

Gameplay = Importance

Avatar image for blackace
blackace

23576

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#24 blackace
Member since 2002 • 23576 Posts

@princessgomez92 said:

So the Xbox One version is an unplayable mess.

Someone has jokes.

http://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Joke-of-the-day_1.jpg

Avatar image for Ghost120x
Ghost120x

6058

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#25 Ghost120x
Member since 2009 • 6058 Posts

@Salt_The_Fries said:

You cows wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially when you couldn't tell if Killzone SF multiplayer was 960x1080p.

LOL so true. I didn't notice really but then I kept looking at things in the distance. Then I compared it to the single player which things looked much better from far away. I thought something was wrong with my TV so every time I would be fiddling with the picture settings during multiplayer.

Avatar image for Silent-Assasin7
Silent-Assasin7

1496

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#26 Silent-Assasin7
Member since 2006 • 1496 Posts

Well Sony fans didn't have a problem playing BF4 in 900p, so I can't imagine having an issue with 960p for this game.

Avatar image for misterpmedia
misterpmedia

6209

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

#27  Edited By misterpmedia
Member since 2013 • 6209 Posts

@Salt_The_Fries said:

You cows wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially when you couldn't tell if Killzone SF multiplayer was 960x1080p.

well it wasn't upscaled to horrific proportions so I'm not surprised. 1080p IQ without technically being 1080p is quite impressive. Would take that over upscaled messes on Xbone. :). Although I do agree Guerrilla should have said.

Avatar image for deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318

4166

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#29 deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
Member since 2008 • 4166 Posts

@Salt_The_Fries said:

You cows wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially when you couldn't tell if Killzone SF multiplayer was 960x1080p.

Probably because it's not as simple as KZ being that res. The image in each frame is still full HD.

There's a reason why no analysis site picked up on it.

Avatar image for Crypt_mx
Crypt_mx

4739

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 14

User Lists: 0

#30  Edited By Crypt_mx
Member since 2007 • 4739 Posts

Uhm wow. Are cows really making a big deal out of 960p vs 1080p? Firstly, I'm willing to bet not a single person here could tell the difference side by side. Secondly, isn't this a good thing for lems? Seriously the games in the generation started out 720p vs 1080p (which is a pretty noticeable difference) and only after a couple of months Xbox titles are being announced at 900p and up . It won't be long before both consoles are producing nearly identical graphics with the same fame rate and resolution. I would expect that by the end of 2014 resolution won't even be a thing anymore, everything will be 1080p.

Avatar image for blackace
blackace

23576

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#32  Edited By blackace
Member since 2002 • 23576 Posts

@Ghost120x said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

You cows wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially when you couldn't tell if Killzone SF multiplayer was 960x1080p.

LOL so true. I didn't notice really but then I kept looking at things in the distance. Then I compared it to the single player which things looked much better from far away. I thought something was wrong with my TV so every time I would be fiddling with the picture settings during multiplayer.

I can definitely understands dumb Cows not noticing this. Everything they look at on the PS4 looks like 1080P to them. What baffles me is how DF completely missed it. Seems like someone was paid off by Sony. How did all those other game sites completely miss this resolution change from SP to MP?

***************************************************************************

@hoosier7 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

You cows wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially when you couldn't tell if Killzone SF multiplayer was 960x1080p.

Probably because it's not as simple as KZ being that res. The image in each frame is still full HD.

There's a reason why no analysis site picked up on it.

Yeah, they were paid by Sony to keep their mouths shut. There's no way this shouldn't have been caught.

Avatar image for shawn30
shawn30

4409

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#33  Edited By shawn30
Member since 2006 • 4409 Posts

@misterpmedia said:

http://www.thearabgamer.com/2014/03/watch-dogs-1080p-on-ps4-960p-on-xbox.html

Called it ages ago.

Special shout out to mister X who thought that Watch Dogs' delay was because of the PS4 version (Over exaggerated wink.).

In this thread we discuss this and predict the next inferior Xbone multiplat.

Nothing much to discuss. 960p works for me. 1080p isn't what will ever make me buy a PS4. A compelling game will. 960p looks great, and while its a lower res than the PS4 version, for a open world game I have no issue with this. The PS4 is more powerful hardware than the One so I'm certainly not shocked it hit 1080p. But I'm a bit surprised they got the res this high for the One. Good times ahead. New preview looks great.

Edit: Provided this is officially confirmed.

Avatar image for Chutebox
Chutebox

50556

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#34  Edited By Chutebox
Member since 2007 • 50556 Posts

Not too large a difference.

Avatar image for deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318

4166

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#36  Edited By deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
Member since 2008 • 4166 Posts

@sts106mat said:

@hoosier7 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

You cows wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially when you couldn't tell if Killzone SF multiplayer was 960x1080p.

Probably because it's not as simple as KZ being that res. The image in each frame is still full HD.

There's a reason why no analysis site picked up on it.

err no it isn't FullHD = 1920x1080p KZ is not 1920x1080p read the damn article

Chill, just going off what i've heard.

"The image displayed to the player is Full HD 1080p with ghosting. Full stop. The player sees Full HD 1080p, 1:1 mapping. 1920X1080p. The framebuffer renders every other frame at 960X1080p and stitches them together. Every frame on display is full HD 1080p, but the means to display the image are questionable."

Avatar image for misterpmedia
misterpmedia

6209

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

#37 misterpmedia
Member since 2013 • 6209 Posts

@blackace said:

Yeah, they were paid by Sony to keep their mouths shut. There's no way this shouldn't have been caught.

It's getting tinfoil hatty in here. I like it. But still lol

Avatar image for ghostwarrior786
ghostwarrior786

5811

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#39  Edited By ghostwarrior786
Member since 2005 • 5811 Posts

@sts106mat said:

@hoosier7 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

You cows wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially when you couldn't tell if Killzone SF multiplayer was 960x1080p.

Probably because it's not as simple as KZ being that res. The image in each frame is still full HD.

There's a reason why no analysis site picked up on it.

err no it isn't FullHD = 1920x1080p KZ is not 1920x1080p read the damn article

haha killzone is full 1080p, well the campaign is and the difference between campaign and multiplayer is noticable. 1080p does make a difference, only a blind person wouldnt notice it

Avatar image for deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318

4166

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#40  Edited By deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
Member since 2008 • 4166 Posts

@blackace said:

@Ghost120x said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

You cows wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially when you couldn't tell if Killzone SF multiplayer was 960x1080p.

LOL so true. I didn't notice really but then I kept looking at things in the distance. Then I compared it to the single player which things looked much better from far away. I thought something was wrong with my TV so every time I would be fiddling with the picture settings during multiplayer.

I can definitely understands dumb Cows not noticing this. Everything they look at on the PS4 looks like 1080P to them. What baffles me is how DF completely missed it. Seems like someone was paid off by Sony. How did all those other game sites completely miss this resolution change from SP to MP?

***************************************************************************

@hoosier7 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

You cows wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially when you couldn't tell if Killzone SF multiplayer was 960x1080p.

Probably because it's not as simple as KZ being that res. The image in each frame is still full HD.

There's a reason why no analysis site picked up on it.

Yeah, they were paid by Sony to keep their mouths shut. There's no way this shouldn't have been caught.

Lol, so you expect sites to suddenly know about a technique that as far as i know has never been used in a game before? It's easy not to catch something you're not looking for.

If the technique they're using is good enough to put out an image that people believe was 1080p then surely that just means they've got a damn good method.

They should have been honest but apart from that the spin i see is pretty funny. The picture looks good enough to be 1080p so what's the problem? It's hilarious the way lems suddenly act as if the game looks worse now when the only thing that's changed is the number on a piece of paper.

Avatar image for I_can_haz
I_can_haz

6511

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#41 I_can_haz
Member since 2013 • 6511 Posts

Lems owned once again, nothing to see here.

Avatar image for Jankarcop
Jankarcop

11058

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#42 Jankarcop
Member since 2011 • 11058 Posts

Ouch, another best on PC title.

Avatar image for CrownKingArthur
CrownKingArthur

5262

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#43 CrownKingArthur
Member since 2013 • 5262 Posts

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@sts106mat said:

@hoosier7 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

You cows wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially when you couldn't tell if Killzone SF multiplayer was 960x1080p.

Probably because it's not as simple as KZ being that res. The image in each frame is still full HD.

There's a reason why no analysis site picked up on it.

err no it isn't FullHD = 1920x1080p KZ is not 1920x1080p read the damn article

haha killzone is full 1080p, well the campaign is and the difference between campaign and multiplayer is noticable. 1080p does make a difference, only a blind person wouldnt notice it

here's the best explanation i've seen - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=778172

i couldn't describe that as full HD.

full hd - render at 1920x1080

render at 960x1080, plug gaps with information from previous frames - that's not full hd.

Avatar image for ghostwarrior786
ghostwarrior786

5811

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#44 ghostwarrior786
Member since 2005 • 5811 Posts

@CrownKingArthur said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@sts106mat said:

@hoosier7 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

You cows wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially when you couldn't tell if Killzone SF multiplayer was 960x1080p.

Probably because it's not as simple as KZ being that res. The image in each frame is still full HD.

There's a reason why no analysis site picked up on it.

err no it isn't FullHD = 1920x1080p KZ is not 1920x1080p read the damn article

haha killzone is full 1080p, well the campaign is and the difference between campaign and multiplayer is noticable. 1080p does make a difference, only a blind person wouldnt notice it

here's the best explanation i've seen - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=778172

i couldn't describe that as full HD.

full hd - render at 1920x1080

render at 960x1080, plug gaps with information from previous frames - that's not full hd.

but that is the explanation of the multiplayer. single player is full 1080p.

'In the single-player mode, the game runs at full 1080p with an unlocked frame-rate'

Avatar image for 2Chalupas
2Chalupas

7284

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#45 2Chalupas
Member since 2009 • 7284 Posts

I find it amusing how all last gen, consolites (particularly Lems) would claim ownage over and over again over even SMALLER pixel differences. Sometimes as low as 702p vs 720p.

The difference between 1080p (PS4) and 960p (XB1), is a helluva lot bigger than the difference between 720p (360) and 644p(PS3). More than double, actually. In absolute terms, Lems are missing out on 230,400 pixels. In the last gen case of 644p, the inferior version would be missing only 97,280 pixels compared to a native 720p game.

Last gen that was literally all lems could hang their hat on. Now, "it's no big deal". "I can't tell the difference anyway".

Pathetic.

Avatar image for CrownKingArthur
CrownKingArthur

5262

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#46 CrownKingArthur
Member since 2013 • 5262 Posts

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@CrownKingArthur said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@sts106mat said:

@hoosier7 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

You cows wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially when you couldn't tell if Killzone SF multiplayer was 960x1080p.

Probably because it's not as simple as KZ being that res. The image in each frame is still full HD.

There's a reason why no analysis site picked up on it.

err no it isn't FullHD = 1920x1080p KZ is not 1920x1080p read the damn article

haha killzone is full 1080p, well the campaign is and the difference between campaign and multiplayer is noticable. 1080p does make a difference, only a blind person wouldnt notice it

here's the best explanation i've seen - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=778172

i couldn't describe that as full HD.

full hd - render at 1920x1080

render at 960x1080, plug gaps with information from previous frames - that's not full hd.

but that is the explanation of the multiplayer. single player is full 1080p.

'In the single-player mode, the game runs at full 1080p with an unlocked frame-rate'

so?

Avatar image for hrt_rulz01
hrt_rulz01

22374

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#47  Edited By hrt_rulz01
Member since 2006 • 22374 Posts

Ahhh look... another resolution thread, with all the usual "XBone is crap" & "PC beats both of them" bullsh**.

Avatar image for deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318

4166

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#48 deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
Member since 2008 • 4166 Posts

@sts106mat said:

@hoosier7 said:

@sts106mat said:

err no it isn't FullHD = 1920x1080p KZ is not 1920x1080p read the damn article

Chill, just going off what i've heard.

"The image displayed to the player is Full HD 1080p with ghosting. Full stop. The player sees Full HD 1080p, 1:1 mapping. 1920X1080p. The framebuffer renders every other frame at 960X1080p and stitches them together. Every frame on display is full HD 1080p, but the means to display the image are questionable."

Ok, i can see why you get to that then. that sentence looks to be a load of bollocks to be fair.

It's from Thuway admittedly but i can't find anyone explaining it in a simpler form. It's really not as simple as the res is 960x1080p.

From what i've read it's rare that all assets are rendered in 1080p but the game is still considered native 1080p so it seems this whole thing is open to interpretation and it could be something we see in other games but are unaware of.

Barely anyone outside of GG really seems to know what it's all about properly.

Doesn't excuse the fact they weren't transparent though. That should be the main talking point.

I'd also point out they do some funny stuff with their servers too but were honest about that. No one has picked up on that yet it seems many companies and devs could be telling some less than honest truths when they claim they use dedicated servers.

Avatar image for LanceSSJ
LanceSSJ

882

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#49 LanceSSJ
Member since 2003 • 882 Posts

since killzone MP looked amazing at half HD then 960p is amazing

Avatar image for treedoor
treedoor

7648

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#50 treedoor
Member since 2004 • 7648 Posts

So this title is only worth playing on PC then.