Watch Dogs-PC screenshots look great,GTX bundle available.

#151 Posted by scottpsfan14 (3159 posts) -

@RimacBugatti said:

@Cloud_imperium: This game will blow away GTA. It looks awesome and delivers some pretty amazing gameplay. By the way what parts are you using for your computer?

Going for i5 or i7 , Geforce 690 or 700 series , 8 GB ram . Haven't made my final decision yet . I'll look at my budget this month then we'll go from there .

Wat? Do not go for 600 series. Go for a 780ti or 2 if you have the dosh. 690 is good but 7 series features gpu boost 2.0 that is quite a bit better. Get an Sli motherboard so you can add another card further down the line.

#152 Posted by lostrib (33010 posts) -

@RimacBugatti said:

@Cloud_imperium: I'm running the i73960x and the GTX 690. Trust me go for it. I would say run the i74970x if you can swing the cash. The GTX 690 still is pretty much one of the fastest cards. I love the fact that it runs dual GPU's. I'm not sure if the Titan Black runs dual GPU's or not but it may have a little better benchmarks than the 690 for around the same price. Are you going to run the Revo Drive SSD?

Thanks for feedback :-)

I hope you enjoy throwing away money

#153 Edited by scottpsfan14 (3159 posts) -
@lostrib said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

@RimacBugatti said:

@Cloud_imperium: I'm running the i73960x and the GTX 690. Trust me go for it. I would say run the i74970x if you can swing the cash. The GTX 690 still is pretty much one of the fastest cards. I love the fact that it runs dual GPU's. I'm not sure if the Titan Black runs dual GPU's or not but it may have a little better benchmarks than the 690 for around the same price. Are you going to run the Revo Drive SSD?

Thanks for feedback :-)

I hope you enjoy throwing away money

You are a very cynical, lonely hearted person who can only see the bad in something. Lighten up.

#154 Posted by scottpsfan14 (3159 posts) -

Yet another multiplat that is best on PC > When will it end?

Eh shut up. Why do you care so much? Are you the person who is making the money in the PC business? Does your PC rig define who you are?

#155 Edited by groowagon (2740 posts) -

i7 recommended on PC, still releases on Wii U. sounds legit. maybe the Wii U version is 2D sidescroller? or then there might be an option to enable ultra-physics for realistic shoelaces on PC or something.

#156 Edited by RimacBugatti (1189 posts) -

@scottpsfan14: Actually if GTX 790 is out go for that and call it a day! :)

#157 Edited by RimacBugatti (1189 posts) -

@lostrib: If you spend money on what you truly want than I can't see it as throwing away money. Whats the point in having money if we aren't going to spend some every now and then. If you think of how often we build computers (5 years on average) than $5000 isn't so bad. In the long run computers save us money by not going out and dropping a couple hundred every time we do go out.

#158 Edited by clyde46 (43957 posts) -

@Cloud_imperium: I'm running the i73960x and the GTX 690. Trust me go for it. I would say run the i74970x if you can swing the cash. The GTX 690 still is pretty much one of the fastest cards. I love the fact that it runs dual GPU's. I'm not sure if the Titan Black runs dual GPU's or not but it may have a little better benchmarks than the 690 for around the same price. Are you going to run the Revo Drive SSD?

The Titan Black is just a 780Ti with more RAM. The Revo SSD is a silly chance unless you are editing vast amount HD footage.

#159 Posted by _Matt_ (8835 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@RimacBugatti said:

@Cloud_imperium: I'm running the i73960x and the GTX 690. Trust me go for it. I would say run the i74970x if you can swing the cash. The GTX 690 still is pretty much one of the fastest cards. I love the fact that it runs dual GPU's. I'm not sure if the Titan Black runs dual GPU's or not but it may have a little better benchmarks than the 690 for around the same price. Are you going to run the Revo Drive SSD?

The Titan Black is just a 780Ti with more RAM. The Revo SSD is a silly chance unless you are editing vast amount HD footage.

This, also I would advise against the GTX 690 at this point; it is bottlenecked by it's memory, or at least it will be before long, especially at higher resolutions with the newer games coming out.

#160 Posted by lostrib (33010 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

@RimacBugatti said:

@Cloud_imperium: I'm running the i73960x and the GTX 690. Trust me go for it. I would say run the i74970x if you can swing the cash. The GTX 690 still is pretty much one of the fastest cards. I love the fact that it runs dual GPU's. I'm not sure if the Titan Black runs dual GPU's or not but it may have a little better benchmarks than the 690 for around the same price. Are you going to run the Revo Drive SSD?

Thanks for feedback :-)

I hope you enjoy throwing away money

You are a very cynical, lonely hearted person who can only see the bad in something. Lighten up.

No, I'm just pointing out that those recommendations are a waste of money for just gaming. Lighten up

#161 Posted by lostrib (33010 posts) -

@lostrib: If you spend money on what you truly want than I can't see it as throwing away money. Whats the point in having money if we aren't going to spend some every now and then. If you think of how often we build computers (5 years on average) than $5000 isn't so bad. In the long run computers save us money by not going out and dropping a couple hundred every time we do go out.

Yeah, but for just gaming many of those things are overkill.

#162 Posted by RimacBugatti (1189 posts) -

@clyde46: In that case I would go with the GTX 790! :) The Revo Drive runs at 220,000 input/output operations per second. Almost twice as much as the Vertex 4 SSD. I didn't get into computers for many years because I become impatient very fast and I have to have a fast computer. I actually had found an SSD with 1.2 million input/output operations per second but couldn't find a retailer or price.

#163 Posted by RimacBugatti (1189 posts) -

@lostrib: Your right I agree but sometimes it's better to have it for later when I may need it. Do you know if I could run 4K with the GTX 690 or would I have to buy a second GTX 690?

#164 Posted by Kinthalis (5270 posts) -

@lostrib: Your right I agree but sometimes it's better to have it for later when I may need it. Do you know if I could run 4K with the GTX 690 or would I have to buy a second GTX 690?

That's almost never the case. It would be much cheaper ot wait for decent, affordbale 4K monitors first, THEN upgrade. You'll have better 4K tech, probably with Nvidia Gsync integration and better panels, AND you'd be able to get a GPU that easily powers it for less than a current 4 way SLI system. You'd probably be able to pick up a single card that will play games on high at 4K within the next 2 years.

#165 Posted by scottpsfan14 (3159 posts) -
@clyde46 said:

@RimacBugatti said:

@Cloud_imperium: I'm running the i73960x and the GTX 690. Trust me go for it. I would say run the i74970x if you can swing the cash. The GTX 690 still is pretty much one of the fastest cards. I love the fact that it runs dual GPU's. I'm not sure if the Titan Black runs dual GPU's or not but it may have a little better benchmarks than the 690 for around the same price. Are you going to run the Revo Drive SSD?

The Titan Black is just a 780Ti with more RAM. The Revo SSD is a silly chance unless you are editing vast amount HD footage.

Titan Black is different to the standard Geforce cards. It renders triangles more efficiently as it has some of the Quadro technology in it, hence all the vram to back it up.

#166 Edited by RimacBugatti (1189 posts) -

@Kinthalis: I'm not going to upgrade for another 2 years. Hopefully by then the GTX 890 will be out and I will go with that video card. The only thing I'm waiting for really is for the DDR4 RAM to be released and than the motherboards to support it.

#167 Edited by RimacBugatti (1189 posts) -

@scottpsfan14: I know the GTX 690 was rated to draw 235 billion polygons per second. Should be sufficient for now. I will probably throw another GTX 690 in my rig if I can find one for a good price. That will hold me down for another 2 years with no problem. Hell none of the games out even max cards like the Titan Black or the GTX 690. Project Cars may put them to the test though.

#168 Edited by scottpsfan14 (3159 posts) -

@scottpsfan14: I know the GTX 690 was rated to draw 235 billion polygons per second. Should be sufficient for now. I will probably throw another GTX 690 in my rig if I can find one for a good price. That will hold me down for another 2 years with no problem. Hell none of the games out even max cards like the Titan Black or the GTX 690. Project Cars may put them to the test though.

Project cars literally isn't that impressive apart from the car models themselves. The environments look dated. Any way, yeah the 690 is fast as fuck, and no game comes anywhere close to rendering 235 billion polygons in a second, or even 500 million polygons for that matter. But I would recommend a 7 series card for now. 780ti performs almost like a 690 overclocked for less price, and it's more efficient and it has GPU boost 2.0.

#169 Posted by RimacBugatti (1189 posts) -

@scottpsfan14: If I run SLI can I pair up my GTX 690 with a 780ti?

#170 Posted by scottpsfan14 (3159 posts) -

@scottpsfan14: If I run SLI can I pair up my GTX 690 with a 780ti?

Lol no. Two different gpu chips. You could put both cards in the motherboard, but you could not use them both in unison. You could however use one of them as a dedicated physx card while the other card is used for main gpu processes, but that would be a waste of use for a 690 or a 780ti. It's actually quite a good Idea to buy a SLI motherboard and get a really good gpu as your main card, and buy perhaps a gt 450 or even less as a dedicated physx engine. That way you will see vast improvement in games that use physx. This can be set up via the Nvidia control panel.

#171 Posted by Cloud_imperium (2211 posts) -

@_Matt_ said:

@clyde46 said:

@RimacBugatti said:

@Cloud_imperium: I'm running the i73960x and the GTX 690. Trust me go for it. I would say run the i74970x if you can swing the cash. The GTX 690 still is pretty much one of the fastest cards. I love the fact that it runs dual GPU's. I'm not sure if the Titan Black runs dual GPU's or not but it may have a little better benchmarks than the 690 for around the same price. Are you going to run the Revo Drive SSD?

The Titan Black is just a 780Ti with more RAM. The Revo SSD is a silly chance unless you are editing vast amount HD footage.

This, also I would advise against the GTX 690 at this point; it is bottlenecked by it's memory, or at least it will be before long, especially at higher resolutions with the newer games coming out.

Thanks for info .

#172 Posted by Console_Caesar (46 posts) -

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

#173 Posted by lundy86_4 (42814 posts) -

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

#174 Edited by lostrib (33010 posts) -

@console_caesar said:

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

#175 Posted by PimpHand_Gamer (157 posts) -

not completely sure which platform I'll get it on, probably PS4 only because I really don't feel like jacking around with Uplay's UI popup to press Play twice and depends how buggy the PC version will be.

#176 Edited by Console_Caesar (46 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@console_caesar said:

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

So I'm a troll because you can't show evidence against my claim? Seems like you're the troll here, not me! :-)

#177 Posted by Console_Caesar (46 posts) -

@console_caesar said:

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

It might be bait but it's also the truth, tell me, can you handle the dirty and naked truth, hermit? :-)

#178 Posted by lostrib (33010 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@console_caesar said:

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

So I'm a troll because you can't show evidence against my claim? Seems like you're the troll here, not me! :-)

...you didn't show evidence for your claim

Trololololololol

#179 Posted by lostrib (33010 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

@console_caesar said:

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

It might be bait but it's also the truth, tell me, can you handle the dirty and naked truth, hermit? :-)

Uh oh, things are getting creepy

#180 Posted by Console_Caesar (46 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@console_caesar said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@console_caesar said:

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

It might be bait but it's also the truth, tell me, can you handle the dirty and naked truth, hermit? :-)

Uh oh, things are getting creepy

I take that as a no.

#181 Posted by Console_Caesar (46 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@console_caesar said:

@lostrib said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@console_caesar said:

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

So I'm a troll because you can't show evidence against my claim? Seems like you're the troll here, not me! :-)

...you didn't show evidence for your claim

Trololololololol

Because the evidence is in the OP, open your eyes, hermie! :-)

#182 Posted by clyde46 (43957 posts) -

@clyde46: In that case I would go with the GTX 790! :) The Revo Drive runs at 220,000 input/output operations per second. Almost twice as much as the Vertex 4 SSD. I didn't get into computers for many years because I become impatient very fast and I have to have a fast computer. I actually had found an SSD with 1.2 million input/output operations per second but couldn't find a retailer or price.

1.2 million? What the hell do you need 1.2 million input/output opertations for? Are you editing uncompressed 4K footage? Are you designing skyscraper sized billboards? If not then its a complete waste of money. Games do not benefit from a SSD period so aside from putting your OS and the few always used programs is all an SSD is good for. And this is coming from someone who has an SSD for games and another for his OS.

Give me a budget and I will build a beastly PC with all the bells and whistles because clearly you seem to be bamboozled by marketing speak.

@clyde46 said:

@RimacBugatti said:

@Cloud_imperium: I'm running the i73960x and the GTX 690. Trust me go for it. I would say run the i74970x if you can swing the cash. The GTX 690 still is pretty much one of the fastest cards. I love the fact that it runs dual GPU's. I'm not sure if the Titan Black runs dual GPU's or not but it may have a little better benchmarks than the 690 for around the same price. Are you going to run the Revo Drive SSD?

The Titan Black is just a 780Ti with more RAM. The Revo SSD is a silly chance unless you are editing vast amount HD footage.

Titan Black is different to the standard Geforce cards. It renders triangles more efficiently as it has some of the Quadro technology in it, hence all the vram to back it up.

Source.

@scottpsfan14: If I run SLI can I pair up my GTX 690 with a 780ti?

No, only the same family of GPU can be paired for SLI. So, GTX 780 and another GTX 780 can be paired but you can not pair a GTX 780 and a GTX 770. Besides, the 690 is a dual GPU card so if you add another 690 you start entering all the problems with 4 way SLI which aside from benchmarking performs worse than both 2 way and 3 way SLI. And FYI, nearly all boards now support SLI.

#183 Edited by clyde46 (43957 posts) -

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

Hyping a remake? Lawl.

#184 Edited by jun_aka_pekto (15885 posts) -

So I'm a troll because you can't show evidence against my claim? Seems like you're the troll here, not me! :-)

There's plenty of proof at the Showcase Your Rig thread in the PC subforum.

#185 Posted by scottpsfan14 (3159 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@scottpsfan14 said:
@clyde46 said:

@RimacBugatti said:

@Cloud_imperium: I'm running the i73960x and the GTX 690. Trust me go for it. I would say run the i74970x if you can swing the cash. The GTX 690 still is pretty much one of the fastest cards. I love the fact that it runs dual GPU's. I'm not sure if the Titan Black runs dual GPU's or not but it may have a little better benchmarks than the 690 for around the same price. Are you going to run the Revo Drive SSD?

The Titan Black is just a 780Ti with more RAM. The Revo SSD is a silly chance unless you are editing vast amount HD footage.

Titan Black is different to the standard Geforce cards. It renders triangles more efficiently as it has some of the Quadro technology in it, hence all the vram to back it up.


Source.

Look it up yourself. The Titan Black, like the Quadro, is better for workstations than a standard Geforce card like 780ti. The brute power of the 780ti is not far from the Titan Black however, but for things like game design, CAD and general rendering of triangles, the Titan Black is noticeably better, hence the much higher price point. It can be used professionally if you are on a budget (£900 is budget for workstation gpu's).

#186 Posted by groowagon (2740 posts) -

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

only an uneducated peasant thinks that it costs thousands. are you typing to these forums with your ps4? no, a PC you say? ok, now, how much did your non-gaming laptop and ps4 cost combined? yes, that is the price of a gaming PC.

"no. i still choose to believe that it's false and gaming PCs cost thousands. i want to live in denial."

ok what ever. carry on, peasant.

#187 Edited by MK-Professor (3669 posts) -

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

If we want ps4 level graphics and performance we could just get a cheap low-end GPU like the HD7850.

#188 Posted by RimacBugatti (1189 posts) -

@scottpsfan14: I may just buy a second GTX 690 and run SLI. I kind of want my cards to be the same. Only problem is the GTX 690 is so damn expensive.

#189 Edited by RimacBugatti (1189 posts) -

@console_caesar: Actually on a slow week I clear $800 and only work 30 hours a week or so. Use to make around $2000 a week. Stop describing yourself.

#190 Posted by scottpsfan14 (3159 posts) -

@console_caesar said:

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

If we want ps4 level graphics and performance we could just get a cheap low-end GPU like the HD7850.

In the beginning of a console generation (now), A comparable PC, for multiplats would perform similar to the PS4 yes. As time goes on, and devs start to use the PS4 hardware more for multiplats, you will find that the same PC will be lagging behind the PS4. It is not a myth that performance improves on consoles. Ask any developer. Multiplats may never get enough budget spent on the PS4 version to fully utilize it, and the truth is, most games actually don't, but exclusives will. Obviously you can not run exclusives on PC so there is no way to compare, but if you listen to any developer, coding for a console is more in depth than coding for Direct X. It is more of a DIY process. You can strictly access any part of the hardware on PS4 which is something DX does not allow.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-how-the-crew-was-ported-to-playstation-4

This basically explains it.

#191 Posted by lundy86_4 (42814 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

@console_caesar said:

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

It might be bait but it's also the truth, tell me, can you handle the dirty and naked truth, hermit? :-)

I can do dirty and naked. Still, i'm not a Hermit, so I dunno if it's possible.

#192 Posted by MK-Professor (3669 posts) -
@MK-Professor said:

@console_caesar said:

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

If we want ps4 level graphics and performance we could just get a cheap low-end GPU like the HD7850.

In the beginning of a console generation (now), A comparable PC, for multiplats would perform similar to the PS4 yes. As time goes on, and devs start to use the PS4 hardware more for multiplats, you will find that the same PC will be lagging behind the PS4. It is not a myth that performance improves on consoles. Ask any developer. Multiplats may never get enough budget spent on the PS4 version to fully utilize it, and the truth is, most games actually don't, but exclusives will. Obviously you can not run exclusives on PC so there is no way to compare, but if you listen to any developer, coding for a console is more in depth than coding for Direct X. It is more of a DIY process. You can strictly access any part of the hardware on PS4 which is something DX does not allow.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-how-the-crew-was-ported-to-playstation-4

This basically explains it.

you are wrong.

A HD HD7850 will always play games with similar graphics and performance like the ps4.

#193 Edited by scottpsfan14 (3159 posts) -

@scottpsfan14 said:
@MK-Professor said:

@console_caesar said:

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

If we want ps4 level graphics and performance we could just get a cheap low-end GPU like the HD7850.

In the beginning of a console generation (now), A comparable PC, for multiplats would perform similar to the PS4 yes. As time goes on, and devs start to use the PS4 hardware more for multiplats, you will find that the same PC will be lagging behind the PS4. It is not a myth that performance improves on consoles. Ask any developer. Multiplats may never get enough budget spent on the PS4 version to fully utilize it, and the truth is, most games actually don't, but exclusives will. Obviously you can not run exclusives on PC so there is no way to compare, but if you listen to any developer, coding for a console is more in depth than coding for Direct X. It is more of a DIY process. You can strictly access any part of the hardware on PS4 which is something DX does not allow.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-how-the-crew-was-ported-to-playstation-4

This basically explains it.

you are wrong.

A HD HD7850 will always play games with similar graphics and performance like the ps4.

How am I wrong? Stop being ignorant because you clearly know nothing.

#194 Edited by MK-Professor (3669 posts) -

@scottpsfan14 said:

@MK-Professor said:
@scottpsfan14 said:

In the beginning of a console generation (now), A comparable PC, for multiplats would perform similar to the PS4 yes. As time goes on, and devs start to use the PS4 hardware more for multiplats, you will find that the same PC will be lagging behind the PS4. It is not a myth that performance improves on consoles. Ask any developer. Multiplats may never get enough budget spent on the PS4 version to fully utilize it, and the truth is, most games actually don't, but exclusives will. Obviously you can not run exclusives on PC so there is no way to compare, but if you listen to any developer, coding for a console is more in depth than coding for Direct X. It is more of a DIY process. You can strictly access any part of the hardware on PS4 which is something DX does not allow.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-how-the-crew-was-ported-to-playstation-4

This basically explains it.

you are wrong.

A HD HD7850 will always play games with similar graphics and performance like the ps4.

How am I wrong? Stop being ignorant because you clearly know nothing.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

remember back in 2006? people saying "the ps3 will perform better than the 8800 in a few years" LOLOLOLOLOLOL. (the 8800 now play games with BETTER graphics and performance than 360/ps3)

In a few years from now the HD7850 will still perform very similar to PS4. It is that simple, the PS4 is not going to get any faster, or the HD7850 is not going to get any slower than what it is now. And before you say the word "optimization" that console gamers like to use so much, it is time to learn that optimization is done in both pc and console it is not one sided, meaning that a HD7850 in 2017 will play games(at low settings of course and 30fps) that look better than today games at high settings, the same will be true for PS4 of course. Prime example a GPU like the prehistoric ATI x1950pro that can play games like crysis2 on low settings and 30fps, I mean who could have thought a x1950pro that was used play games like FEAR(from 2005) that some day will play games with playable fps that look so much better.

#195 Posted by 7MDMA (240 posts) -

@MK-Professor said:
@scottpsfan14 said:
@MK-Professor said:

@console_caesar said:

ITT: Hermies circle jerking each other about hardware that they can't even afford. Just buy a PS4, the game will look almost the same and you safe thousands that you could pay for more games, like the upcoming TLOU remake.

If we want ps4 level graphics and performance we could just get a cheap low-end GPU like the HD7850.

In the beginning of a console generation (now), A comparable PC, for multiplats would perform similar to the PS4 yes. As time goes on, and devs start to use the PS4 hardware more for multiplats, you will find that the same PC will be lagging behind the PS4. It is not a myth that performance improves on consoles. Ask any developer. Multiplats may never get enough budget spent on the PS4 version to fully utilize it, and the truth is, most games actually don't, but exclusives will. Obviously you can not run exclusives on PC so there is no way to compare, but if you listen to any developer, coding for a console is more in depth than coding for Direct X. It is more of a DIY process. You can strictly access any part of the hardware on PS4 which is something DX does not allow.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-how-the-crew-was-ported-to-playstation-4

This basically explains it.

you are wrong.

A HD HD7850 will always play games with similar graphics and performance like the ps4.

How am I wrong? Stop being ignorant because you clearly know nothing.

There is hardly going to be any difference overtime, if any at all. The architecture is virtually identical now on all platforms and the PS4 wont magically evolve from its current form as a low end PC. Perhaps there will be some optimizations (standardised platform) but it wont be as drastic as you seem to think.

The same PC wont be lagging the PS4; the devs will be gimping and downscaling settings on new games while its up to the end user on the PC to do the same.

#196 Posted by scottpsfan14 (3159 posts) -

@scottpsfan14 said:

@MK-Professor said:
@scottpsfan14 said:

In the beginning of a console generation (now), A comparable PC, for multiplats would perform similar to the PS4 yes. As time goes on, and devs start to use the PS4 hardware more for multiplats, you will find that the same PC will be lagging behind the PS4. It is not a myth that performance improves on consoles. Ask any developer. Multiplats may never get enough budget spent on the PS4 version to fully utilize it, and the truth is, most games actually don't, but exclusives will. Obviously you can not run exclusives on PC so there is no way to compare, but if you listen to any developer, coding for a console is more in depth than coding for Direct X. It is more of a DIY process. You can strictly access any part of the hardware on PS4 which is something DX does not allow.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-how-the-crew-was-ported-to-playstation-4

This basically explains it.

you are wrong.

A HD HD7850 will always play games with similar graphics and performance like the ps4.

How am I wrong? Stop being ignorant because you clearly know nothing.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

remember back in 2006? people saying "the ps3 will perform better than the 8800 in a few years" LOLOLOLOLOLOL. (the 8800 now play games with BETTER graphics and performance than 360/ps3)

In a few years from now the HD7850 will still perform very similar to PS4. It is that simple, the PS4 is not going to get any faster, or the HD7850 is not going to get any slower than what it is now. And before you say the word "optimization" that console gamers like to use so much, it is time to learn that optimization is done in both pc and console it is not one sided, meaning that a HD7850 in 2017 will play games(at low settings of course and 30fps) that look better than today games at high settings, the same will be true for PS4 of course. Prime example a GPU like the prehistoric ATI x1950pro that can play games like crysis2 on low settings and 30fps, I mean who could have thought a x1950pro that was used play games like FEAR(from 2005) that some day will play games with playable fps that look so much better.

I have seen that video of x1950 playing Crysis 2 at low. However, that is an unoptimized multiplat with almost no console optimization, as consoles are not Crytek's specialty. No one said that a multiplat game on PS4 is going to keep up with a PC over the years. What I am saying however is that a console is a totally different machine to a PC regardless of it being x86. It does not run windows for a start. This is a huge factor as PC games are actually Microsoft Windows games. They run on Direct X, a high level API created to run on top of Windows which is, it's self a high level Operating System. The PS4 is designed to give 100% access to it's hardware. The truth is, when most console gamers use the optimization card, they don't truly know what they are saying, so you find that most PC gamers, that are usually more knowledgeable about hardware than your average consolite, are able to manipulate the conversation their way to make them look right. Just saying. But you obviously don't know these things based on your comment. You literally just listen to what other PC gamers say and if a PC gamer on Youtube uploads a video about "how console optimization is a myth" for instance, you jump on the band wagon without fact checking.

Do you even know the structure of the PS4 and how games are created on PS4? Did you know that it actually features 2 API's? Did you know that one of them is very similar to DX11.2 minus the legecy issues which is what most multiplats as of now are coded on for the PS4? This means that there is some truth to what you said, but you don't actually know why it's the truth. It's because multiplats such as BF4 and CoD Ghosts on PS4 actually use the DX11.2-like API for the PS4 and this results in similar performance to an equivalent PC. As games advance on PS4, they will begin to utilize the lower level API in the console making use of the hardware more and more (not all games will of course). PC does get optimization in the sense of better drivers etc, but a console game will be designed from the ground up with custom code instructions for the hardware which you simply can't do on PC with DX. There is a whole world of difference between a PC and Console if the console game is fully optimized. For instance, The Last Of Us would not run on a 7800 GTX. This game has optimization algorithms for hardware that doesn't even exist on anything else. It's custom coded. Totally different. This is something that most PC gamers simply can't fathom for some bizarre reason. You will probably continue to argue black is white. But I'm only stating facts.

#197 Posted by MK-Professor (3669 posts) -

I have seen that video of x1950 playing Crysis 2 at low. However, that is an unoptimized multiplat with almost no console optimization, as consoles are not Crytek's specialty. No one said that a multiplat game on PS4 is going to keep up with a PC over the years. What I am saying however is that a console is a totally different machine to a PC regardless of it being x86. It does not run windows for a start. This is a huge factor as PC games are actually Microsoft Windows games. They run on Direct X, a high level API created to run on top of Windows which is, it's self a high level Operating System. The PS4 is designed to give 100% access to it's hardware. The truth is, when most console gamers use the optimization card, they don't truly know what they are saying, so you find that most PC gamers, that are usually more knowledgeable about hardware than your average consolite, are able to manipulate the conversation their way to make them look right. Just saying. But you obviously don't know these things based on your comment. You literally just listen to what other PC gamers say and if a PC gamer on Youtube uploads a video about "how console optimization is a myth" for instance, you jump on the band wagon without fact checking.

Do you even know the structure of the PS4 and how games are created on PS4? Did you know that it actually features 2 API's? Did you know that one of them is very similar to DX11.2 minus the legecy issues which is what most multiplats as of now are coded on for the PS4? This means that there is some truth to what you said, but you don't actually know why it's the truth. It's because multiplats such as BF4 and CoD Ghosts on PS4 actually use the DX11.2-like API for the PS4 and this results in similar performance to an equivalent PC. As games advance on PS4, they will begin to utilize the lower level API in the console making use of the hardware more and more (not all games will of course). PC does get optimization in the sense of better drivers etc, but a console game will be designed from the ground up with custom code instructions for the hardware which you simply can't do on PC with DX. There is a whole world of difference between a PC and Console if the console game is fully optimized. For instance, The Last Of Us would not run on a 7800 GTX. This game has optimization algorithms for hardware that doesn't even exist on anything else. It's custom coded. Totally different. This is something that most PC gamers simply can't fathom for some bizarre reason. You will probably continue to argue black is white. But I'm only stating facts.

Multiplats speak for themselves a similar GPU in power will perform very similar in pc and consoles, that is what happen in the 7th gen(form start to end), the same it will be with the 8th gen.

"you obviously don't know these things" very funny, you don't even know me, or you haven't searched any of my post history. I am probably one of the few people here that know very well about this stuff.

#198 Edited by scottpsfan14 (3159 posts) -

Multiplats speak for themselves a similar GPU in power will perform very similar in pc and consoles, that is what happen in the 7th gen(form start to end), the same it will be with the 8th gen.

"you obviously don't know these things" very funny, you don't even know me, or you haven't searched any of my post history. I am probably one of the few people here that know very well about this stuff.

I think you need to understand that I am not downplaying the PC. I am merely explaining that PC's and Consoles do not function in the same way. Hardware needs good software, and the PS4's software is made just for it and there is no overheads in place. Given that multiplats utilize the low level API on PS4 (called GNL if you are wondering), they will in deed perform noticeably better than the equivalent PC. If they continue to use GNLX (High level API that is similar to DX11.2), then yes, performance on an equivalent PC will be similar. They will be more stable than PC versions however because the games are not reliant on the OS like PC games are.

Btw I wasn't trying to be a dick when saying you don't know these things, that was me assuming you were not listening to what I was trying to say. I was just trying to explain an important difference in the functionality between PC's and Consoles (PS4 in particular). Just know that console exclusives would require more power to run them on a PC because they are truly optimized unlike multiplats such as Crysis 2 on PS3/360.

#199 Edited by MK-Professor (3669 posts) -

I think you need to understand that I am not downplaying the PC. I am merely explaining that PC's and Consoles do not function in the same way. Hardware needs good software, and the PS4's software is made just for it and there is no overheads in place. Given that multiplats utilize the low level API on PS4 (called GNL if you are wondering), they will in deed perform noticeably better than the equivalent PC. If they continue to use GNLX (High level API that is similar to DX11.2), then yes, performance on an equivalent PC will be similar. They will be more stable than PC versions however because the games are not reliant on the OS like PC games are.

Btw I wasn't trying to be a dick when saying you don't know these things, that was me assuming you were not listening to what I was trying to say. I was just trying to explain an important difference in the functionality between PC's and Consoles (PS4 in particular). Just know that console exclusives would require more power to run them on a PC because they are truly optimized unlike multiplats such as Crysis 2 on PS3/360.

As I said Multiplats speak for themselves, obviously we can't compare PC exclusives or console exclusives becasue we need to make the comparison on the same game. The only overhead that came from directx are the drew calls and that is only affect the CPU and not the GPU. That is why similar spec GPU perform the same on pc and on consoles.

#200 Posted by ArisShadows (22615 posts) -

I am very excited to play this.