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#151 Posted by ronvalencia (20576 posts) -

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] On Smart eDRAM's MSAA, ATI didn't factor in certain workloads which resulted in less than optimal setup. AMD attempted to address this issue with AMD "Forward Plus" render i.e. moving the main problem from memory to compute. Compute improvements are currently outpacing memory improvements.tormentos
Dude ATI claimed 720p 4XAA and failed.. Only 2XAA was free 4XAA wasn't possible because of tiling...

Companies can make the claims, but can mess-up with the on-the-field usage. Hardware mistakes are harder to fix than software.

On the PC, you have the annual GPU releases.


Btw, MSAA was also stuffed-up in Radeon HD 2900.

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#152 Posted by Tessellation (8908 posts) -
[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] Oh boy another one of your butthurt comebacks? most at beyond3d agree with his opinion which it seems to hurt you : ( :cool: i see you only use personal opinions favoring the ps4 for your butthurt agenda :cool: and the rumors go around that the jaguar inside the next xbox isn't the same inside your plastic woman lol

Maybe you are reading a parallel universe beyon3d because the one i read most people think the PS4 is actually stronger at least the ones that go by this specs. I killed your sweetvar26 argument and now you move to Aegies..:lol:

Look eltormo butthurt again and crying,no one at Beyond3D thinks is going to be more powerful,they go by what is on paper,but they also say it could be the other way around or end up the same,just like developers are feeling right now :cool: you never kill anything i proved you wrong that's why you ran away :cool: now keep entertaining me with your butthurt
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#153 Posted by Tessellation (8908 posts) -
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]Microsoft has gone casual...get used to it.tormentos
Tesselation just have a hard time swallowing it..:lol:

sorry i don't suck on companies like you :cool: you should quit the sony dick riding ;)
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#154 Posted by TheXFiles88 (1040 posts) -

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] On Smart eDRAM's MSAA, ATI didn't factor in certain workloads which resulted in less than optimal setup. AMD attempted to address this issue with AMD "Forward Plus" render i.e. moving the main problem from memory to compute. Compute improvements are currently outpacing memory improvements.tormentos
Dude ATI claimed 720p 4XAA and failed.. Only 2XAA was free 4XAA wasn't possible because of tiling...

Sony also claimed the PS3 has 2TFLOPS. So your point? It is just sad to see people still fighting for the 1.2TF vs. 1.8TF from these rumors.:lol:

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#155 Posted by killzowned24 (7345 posts) -
[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] Oh boy another one of your butthurt comebacks? most at beyond3d agree with his opinion which it seems to hurt you : ( :cool: i see you only use personal opinions favoring the ps4 for your butthurt agenda :cool: and the rumors go around that the jaguar inside the next xbox isn't the same inside your plastic woman lol

Maybe you are reading a parallel universe beyon3d because the one i read most people think the PS4 is actually stronger at least the ones that go by this specs. I killed your sweetvar26 argument and now you move to Aegies..:lol:

Look eltormo butthurt again and crying,no one at Beyond3D thinks is going to be more powerful,they go by what is on paper,but they also say it could be the other way around or end up the same,just like developers are feeling right now :cool: you never kill anything i proved you wrong that's why you ran away :cool: now keep entertaining me with your butthurt

What we have on paper right now clearly says PS4 is better and only a hurt lemming would argue otherwise.
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#156 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -
[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] On Smart eDRAM's MSAA, ATI didn't factor in certain workloads which resulted in less than optimal setup. AMD attempted to address this issue with AMD "Forward Plus" render i.e. moving the main problem from memory to compute. Compute improvements are currently outpacing memory improvements.

Dude ATI claimed 720p 4XAA and failed.. Only 2XAA was free 4XAA wasn't possible because of tiling...

it was never free, it was low cost AA and its true even with tiling. Also the reason they had to tile was the additional post processing effects, where they may need render targets to blend the effects.
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#157 Posted by Tessellation (8908 posts) -
[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="tormentos"] Maybe you are reading a parallel universe beyon3d because the one i read most people think the PS4 is actually stronger at least the ones that go by this specs. I killed your sweetvar26 argument and now you move to Aegies..:lol:

Look eltormo butthurt again and crying,no one at Beyond3D thinks is going to be more powerful,they go by what is on paper,but they also say it could be the other way around or end up the same,just like developers are feeling right now :cool: you never kill anything i proved you wrong that's why you ran away :cool: now keep entertaining me with your butthurt

What we have on paper right now clearly says PS4 is better and only a hurt lemming would argue otherwise.

and only insecure butthurt cows would use ''on paper'' claims to back them up :cool:..i know it hurts brah..on paper ps3 was capable of 4D and 120fps ;)
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#158 Posted by themyth01 (13924 posts) -

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="tormentos"] Polygon the same Polygon who Microsoft payed $750,000 to make a documentary about polygon.? MS pay Polygon $750,000 to make a documentary about them self..:lol: Oh and how od Aegies (who is the guy you refer to) is the one defending the 720 on Neogaf..:lol: So much for unbiased posters on Beyond3D,hey by the way Aegies him self admit he is not a hardware guy or even have any expertise on anything technical,in fact he claim to have document of the 720 but not understanding a thing on them,by the way he confirmed the weak GPU and the 8 core jaguar basically.. So much for your argument..StrongBlackVine

Oh boy another one of your butthurt comebacks? most at beyond3d agree with his opinion which it seems to hurt you : ( :cool: i see you only use personal opinions favoring the ps4 for your butthurt agenda :cool: and the rumors go around that the jaguar inside the next xbox isn't the same inside your plastic woman lol

Microsoft has gone casual...get used to it.

Orbis rumors suggest Move comes along with PS4... When 360 specs mentioned 1.8 GHz processor, fanboys jumped on hating the processor, look at the GHz of PS3 processor... fanboys like to set themselves up.
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#159 Posted by killzowned24 (7345 posts) -
[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] Look eltormo butthurt again and crying,no one at Beyond3D thinks is going to be more powerful,they go by what is on paper,but they also say it could be the other way around or end up the same,just like developers are feeling right now :cool: you never kill anything i proved you wrong that's why you ran away :cool: now keep entertaining me with your butthurt

What we have on paper right now clearly says PS4 is better and only a hurt lemming would argue otherwise.

and only insecure butthurt cows would use ''on paper'' claims to back them up :cool:..i know it hurts brah..on paper ps3 was capable of 4D and 120fps ;)

As if lemmings would not do the same lol.its all we have to go on for now and everything else is just more speculation. As of now PS4>>>>720p :P
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#160 Posted by Tessellation (8908 posts) -
[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] What we have on paper right now clearly says PS4 is better and only a hurt lemming would argue otherwise.

and only insecure butthurt cows would use ''on paper'' claims to back them up :cool:..i know it hurts brah..on paper ps3 was capable of 4D and 120fps ;)

As if lemmings would not do the same lol.its all we have to go on for now and everything else is just more speculation. As of now PS4>>>>720p :P

Rumors say xbox next has a more powerful CPU than Orbis and in theory makes it %5 to 10% more powerful :cool: just going by rumors not claiming it to be a fact ;)
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#161 Posted by ronvalencia (20576 posts) -

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] On Smart eDRAM's MSAA, ATI didn't factor in certain workloads which resulted in less than optimal setup. AMD attempted to address this issue with AMD "Forward Plus" render i.e. moving the main problem from memory to compute. Compute improvements are currently outpacing memory improvements.TheXFiles88

Dude ATI claimed 720p 4XAA and failed.. Only 2XAA was free 4XAA wasn't possible because of tiling...

Sony also claimed the PS3 has 2TFLOPS. So your point? It is just sad to see people still fighting for the 1.2TF vs. 1.8TF from these rumors.:lol:

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Well, 2 TFLOPS includes GPU's fix function units. This is why Sony didn't release a PS3 with pure CELL X2 solution.

The current GCN's FLOPS numbers refers to programmable shader/stream processors section. HD 7850's fix function units would murder NVIDIA G70/RSX's fix function units.

Any CPU or DSP emulating every features on a modern "fat" GPU would have it's wings clipped.

With GCN vs GCN, the TFLOPs comparison would be apples vs apples comparison i.e. the larger GCN = stronger solution e.g. Radeon HD 7850 (Pitcairn with 16 CUs) > FirePro W5000 (Pitcairn with 12 CUs).

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#162 Posted by killzowned24 (7345 posts) -

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] and only insecure butthurt cows would use ''on paper'' claims to back them up :cool:..i know it hurts brah..on paper ps3 was capable of 4D and 120fps ;)Tessellation
As if lemmings would not do the same lol.its all we have to go on for now and everything else is just more speculation. As of now PS4>>>>720p :P

Rumors say xbox next has a more powerful CPU than Orbis and in theory makes it %5 to 10% more powerful :cool: just going by rumors not claiming it to be a fact ;)

Here is what Digital Foundry had to say about the cpu....just more rumors though ,but at least on known site and not forum.

''There'll be a relatively high CPU overhead too, with potentially two cores reserved for the customisable apps Microsoft wants to run in parallel with gameplay. Orbis has no such ambitions and may power past the new Xbox simply because it focuses its resources on out-and-out games power.''

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#163 Posted by ronvalencia (20576 posts) -

@ronvalencia Based on the rumors so far, I think it's safe to call PS4 as the winner here in terms of graphics, right?Mystery_Writer

It could be similar to AMD FirePro W5000 (Pitcairn with 12 CU) vs Radeon HD 7850 **(Pitcairn with 16 CU)

**Sony's GCN has 18 CUs. The gap could be larger if Sony's GCN CU is actually GCN's CU version 2.0 i.e. there is no current GCN CU with 32 ALUs with 64bit processing i.e. only 16 ALUs with 64 processing per CU from 7870 XT/79x0/89x0 OEM.

Alternatively, both consoles could be using GCN v2.0 but Xbox Next having 12 CUs while PS4 having 18 CUs.

From http://www.computerandvideogames.com/335399/unreal-engine-4-running-on-consoles-epic-cant-name-yet/

Unreal Engine 4 is up and running on next-gen systems, according to Epic vice president Mark Rein

Both consoles could effectively have similar power as a single Geforce GTX 580 (Unreal Engine 4 with optimisations).

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#165 Posted by tormentos (25152 posts) -

Sony also claimed the PS3 has 2TFLOPS. So your point? It is just sad to see people still fighting for the 1.2TF vs. 1.8TF from these rumors.:lol:

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TheXFiles88
And MS claimed 1TF on may 12 2005..:lol: So who started the whole lies and started the whole over hype.? The xbox 360 isn't even close to a 1 TF machine..
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#166 Posted by tormentos (25152 posts) -
[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] it was never free, it was low cost AA and its true even with tiling. Also the reason they had to tile was the additional post processing effects, where they may need render targets to blend the effects.

""ATI revealed this afternoon that every single Xbox 360 game will be required to run at a minimum of 720p resolution with 4x Anti-Aliasing. Speaking at a press conference in London, ATI technology specialist Rene Froeleke told journalists that Microsoft had specified that games must run at the 1280x720 resolution at 4xAA with no slowdown. Every single game will be supported at this graphical specification, which we think is great news for gamers playing on big-screen TVs. When questionned as to why the minimum wasn't 1080p, Rene responded that most of Europe hadn't even reached 720, let alone 1080. Because of the embedded DRAM architecture of Xbox 360, the AA was described as 'Absolutely free'."" http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2005/05/25/ati_xbox_360_london/1 It was sold as Absolutely Free thanks to the EDRAM...
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#167 Posted by tormentos (25152 posts) -
[QUOTE="Tessellation"] Rumors say xbox next has a more powerful CPU than Orbis and in theory makes it %5 to 10% more powerful :cool: just going by rumors not claiming it to be a fact ;)

Both having jaguars i don't thin so,is not like Jaguar will work like a 3.2GHZ steamroller. Oh do you know the 4 CU apart on the PS4 are for compute purposes.? You know what that means right.? It means that now the CPU on the PS4 is been accounted as a 400+ flops CPU,funny you miss that it was been discuss in Beyond3D. Sony design is mighty cleaver,while Durando would have to run its physics,animations,lighting on the CPU to not cripple the already weak GPU,Orbis will have 4 CU alone side the CPU to handle those task,while saving CPU cycles,and not hurting the GPU at all.. It look like Sony outsmart it MS once again,at least on paper that is how it looks this is how things look now.. Durando. 1.2TF GPU 8 core jaguars (customized) 8GB DDR3 3GB for OS 32MB EDRAM. 68GB/S 102GS/S can't be combined. Orbis. 1.8TF GPU. 8 core jaguars (customized) 4 CU for physics,animation and other workloads. 4GBGDDR5 512 MB for OS. 176GS/s.
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#168 Posted by Tessellation (8908 posts) -

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] Rumors say xbox next has a more powerful CPU than Orbis and in theory makes it %5 to 10% more powerful :cool: just going by rumors not claiming it to be a fact ;)tormentos
Both having jaguars i don't thin so,is not like Jaguar will work like a 3.2GHZ steamroller. Oh do you know the 4 CU apart on the PS4 are for compute purposes.? You know what that means right.? It means that now the CPU on the PS4 is been accounted as a 400+ flops CPU,funny you miss that it was been discuss in Beyond3D. Sony design is mighty cleaver,while Durando would have to run its physics,animations,lighting on the CPU to not cripple the already weak GPU,Orbis will have 4 CU alone side the CPU to handle those task,while saving CPU cycles,and not hurting the GPU at all.. It look like Sony outsmart it MS once again,at least on paper that is how it looks this is how things look now.. Durando. 1.2TF GPU 8 core jaguars (customized) 8GB DDR3 3GB for OS 32MB EDRAM. 68GB/S 102GS/S can't be combined. Orbis. 1.8TF GPU. 8 core jaguars (customized) 4 CU for physics,animation and other workloads. 4GBGDDR5 512 MB for OS. 176GS/s.

Look another wall of butthurt , i can't count anymore how i easily prove you wrong and get under your skin :cool: the 4CU haven't been confirmed yet to do anything you said ;) they are only speculating..don't come here to make bullsh!t up mr butthurt :lol: amazing how another console being better or more powerful ruins your life hahahahaha :cool:

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#169 Posted by tormentos (25152 posts) -
Look another wall of butthurt , i can't count anymore how i easily prove you wrong and get under your skin :cool: the 4CU haven't been confirmed yet to do anything you said ;) they are only speculating..don't come here to make bullsh!t up mr butthurt :lol: amazing how another console being better or more powerful ruins your life hahahahaha :cool:Tessellation
You mean like Aegies (Polygon worker MS suck up) rumored a powerful CPU on 720p,? Both are rumors but that didn't stop you from believing the one about the strong CPU and 5 to 10% more over all power based on nothing..:lol:
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#170 Posted by clr84651 (5627 posts) -

I'll believe the PS4 is being released when Sony announces it and I'll believe it's specs when Sony announces it.

All these rumors are just speculation and nothing more.

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#171 Posted by Tessellation (8908 posts) -
[QUOTE="Tessellation"] Look another wall of butthurt , i can't count anymore how i easily prove you wrong and get under your skin :cool: the 4CU haven't been confirmed yet to do anything you said ;) they are only speculating..don't come here to make bullsh!t up mr butthurt :lol: amazing how another console being better or more powerful ruins your life hahahahaha :cool:tormentos
You mean like Aegies (Polygon worker MS suck up) rumored a powerful CPU on 720p,? Both are rumors but that didn't stop you from believing the one about the strong CPU and 5 to 10% more over all power based on nothing..:lol:

Unlike you,i don't use rumors as fact i think you confirm everyday to be an idiot that doesn't know how to read :cool:,look how angry you look.
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#172 Posted by TheXFiles88 (1040 posts) -

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Sony also claimed the PS3 has 2TFLOPS. So your point? It is just sad to see people still fighting for the 1.2TF vs. 1.8TF from these rumors.:lol:

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tormentos

And MS claimed 1TF on may 12 2005..:lol: So who started the whole lies and started the whole over hype.? The xbox 360 isn't even close to a 1 TF machine..

So based on these rumors, I am sure you would keep your PS3 since it still outperforms the PS4 by ~20% and the next Xbox almost 2x? Poor Lems...:lol:

Oh, I just realized that based on the official specs, the PS3 outperforms the Xbox 360 by 100%. Poor Lems.....:lol:

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#173 Posted by StrongBlackVine (13262 posts) -

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] and only insecure butthurt cows would use ''on paper'' claims to back them up :cool:..i know it hurts brah..on paper ps3 was capable of 4D and 120fps ;)Tessellation
As if lemmings would not do the same lol.its all we have to go on for now and everything else is just more speculation. As of now PS4>>>>720p :P

Rumors say xbox next has a more powerful CPU than Orbis and in theory makes it %5 to 10% more powerful :cool: just going by rumors not claiming it to be a fact ;)

Yeah if CPU was all that mattered. Get used XboxCasual.

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#174 Posted by Tessellation (8908 posts) -

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]

Sony also claimed the PS3 has 2TFLOPS. So your point? It is just sad to see people still fighting for the 1.2TF vs. 1.8TF from these rumors.:lol:

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TheXFiles88

And MS claimed 1TF on may 12 2005..:lol: So who started the whole lies and started the whole over hype.? The xbox 360 isn't even close to a 1 TF machine..

So based on these rumors, I am sure you would keep your PS3 since it still outperforms the PS4 by ~20% and the next Xbox almost 2x? Poor Lems...:lol:

Oh, I just realized that based on the official specs, the PS3 outperforms the Xbox 360 by 100%. Poor Lems.....:lol:

i want to see eltormo coming with some weak excuse to justify the ps3 and ps4 now :cool:
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#175 Posted by Mystery_Writer (8269 posts) -

[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]Well, my conclusion is either you have reading comprehension problems or you are just trying to be an idiot. Just read that article I've just posted above your head dude.:roll:tormentos
EDRAM is not for free AA,that is not the purpose of it,free AA is one benefit,on 360 it did not even work because of tiling,the same if true for the 720 ESRAM as well,4XAA on 360 was not free. Now that ram will not be use,it will be normal DDR3 and that is the reason why 32MB of ESRAM are in place to help the DDR3 with bandwidth issues.

I believe TheXFiles88 is right about the free AA. I remember from SW discussions back in 2005 that EDRAM allows developers to do 720p 2xMSAA without tiling, and 4xMSAA with tiling

I could be wrong, but maybe with 32MB, X720 could do 720p 4xMSAA without tiling on the ESRAM and without consuming main memory bandwidth.

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#176 Posted by tormentos (25152 posts) -

So based on these rumors, I am sure you would keep your PS3 since it still outperforms the PS4 by ~20% and the next Xbox almost 2x? Poor Lems...:lol:

Oh, I just realized that based on the official specs, the PS3 outperforms the Xbox 360 by 100%. Poor Lems.....:lol:

TheXFiles88
Again MS was just as guilty the xbox 360 was far from 1TB,but going by your line there is not logic in going 720 either since it just has 20% more power than the 360.. Your logic bro..
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#177 Posted by tormentos (25152 posts) -
[QUOTE="Tessellation"] Unlike you,i don't use rumors as fact i think you confirm everyday to be an idiot that doesn't know how to read :cool:,look how angry you look.

Quote me stating this are FACTUAL specs.
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#178 Posted by tormentos (25152 posts) -
[QUOTE="Tessellation"] i want to see eltormo coming with some weak excuse to justify the ps3 and ps4 now :cool:

Oh a great one MS blow smoke on xbox fans as well the xbox wasn't a 1TF console.
I believe TheXFiles88 is right about the free AA. I remember from SW discussions back in 2005 that EDRAM allows developers to do 720p 2xMSAA without tiling, and 4xMSAA with tiling

I could be wrong, but maybe with 32MB, X720 could do 720p 4xMSAA without tiling on the ESRAM and without consuming main memory bandwidth.

Mystery_Writer
He is not actually he believe that EDRAM was to get free AA,when that is not its real purpose,AA consumes bandwidth if you don't have enough of it,AA will not work,the xbox 360 use DDR3 which is not the fastest ram even back then,MS and ATI saw the bandwidth problems which would have cause not only games to have no AA or a cheap one,but also slow downs,and even pop in every where. The xbox 360 without EDRAM would have face many problems.. I also quote Ati on the article about the 360 and they claim 4XAA was free,when it wasn't oh an at 720p.
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#179 Posted by osirisx3 (2113 posts) -

So no unreal engine 4?

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#180 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (18733 posts) -

I think I'll take what the guy that actually works at Nvidia said over some Armchair tech Guru's.

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#181 Posted by tormentos (25152 posts) -

I think I'll take what the guy that actually works at Nvidia said over some Armchair tech Guru's.

ReadingRainbow4
Some guys were even banned at Neogaf forums because they went into a meltdown an accuse the guy of been pro sony,some did not even knew who he was..:lol: Hell he wasn't even saying anything bad and he was going by the design leaks..
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#182 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (18733 posts) -

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I think I'll take what the guy that actually works at Nvidia said over some Armchair tech Guru's.

tormentos

Some guys were even banned at Neogaf forums because they went into a meltdown an accuse the guy of been pro sony,some did not even knew who he was..:lol: Hell he wasn't even saying anything bad and he was going by the design leaks..

even at beyond3d, there are maybe a total of 2 people using the orbis and durango threads to pass off microsoft using HMC, alot of well grounded users simply think it won't happen.

we'll see when the final specs are revealed but I'm thinking the final results won't differ much from these specs, maybe 1 or 2 small changes.

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#183 Posted by TheXFiles88 (1040 posts) -

[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]

So based on these rumors, I am sure you would keep your PS3 since it still outperforms the PS4 by ~20% and the next Xbox almost 2x? Poor Lems...:lol:

Oh, I just realized that based on the official specs, the PS3 outperforms the Xbox 360 by 100%. Poor Lems.....:lol:

tormentos

Again MS was just as guilty the xbox 360 was far from 1TB,but going by your line there is not logic in going 720 either since it just has 20% more power than the 360.. Your logic bro..

Oh boy, I am afraid to tell you that you really do have reading comprehension problems.

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#184 Posted by Haroon90 (25 posts) -

It seems to be an impressive jump from the ps3 but i don't think (and hope) this is the final version of the dev-kit,with amd's next generation gpu's coming out in march (with graphics core next 2 architexture,GCN2) it would obviously be good to kick off the consoles launch with top of the line specs seeing as this will probably be the last hardware launch from sony in the dedicated game hardware arena.

Anyway at least we know Sony will wait it out a little and produce a machine more capable than microsofts next efforts,weather or not that delay and increase in specifications will be worth it or note worthy can only be told when both machines actually launch,which will be this holiday for the next xbox and maybe early next year for the next playstation.

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#185 Posted by wakefulness (3989 posts) -

Is the BD size and read speed good enough to not require installs?

wakefulness

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#186 Posted by StrongBlackVine (13262 posts) -

 seeing as this will probably be the last hardware launch from sony in the dedicated game hardware arena.

 

Haroon90

Where did you get this nonsense from? Gaming is Sony's most profitable division.

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#187 Posted by ronvalencia (20576 posts) -

It seems to be an impressive jump from the ps3 but i don't think (and hope) this is the final version of the dev-kit,with amd's next generation gpu's coming out in march (with graphics core next 2 architexture,GCN2) it would obviously be good to kick off the consoles launch with top of the line specs seeing as this will probably be the last hardware launch from sony in the dedicated game hardware arena.

Anyway at least we know Sony will wait it out a little and produce a machine more capable than microsofts next efforts,weather or not that delay and increase in specifications will be worth it or note worthy can only be told when both machines actually launch,which will be this holiday for the next xbox and maybe early next year for the next playstation.

Haroon90

There could be CU (Compute Unit) design update with GCNs(flagship) with practical 64bit performance.

Besides CU count increase, I don't think there's a CU design update for GCNs with non-practical 64bit performance.

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#188 Posted by Haroon90 (25 posts) -

[QUOTE="Haroon90"]

 seeing as this will probably be the last hardware launch from sony in the dedicated game hardware arena.

 

StrongBlackVine

Where did you get this nonsense from? Gaming is Sony's most profitable division.

 

Many dev's are calling on it and the general consensus is that everything is moving towards being in the cloud.

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#189 Posted by ultra641996 (42 posts) -
seriously doubt consoles gonna have 8gb memory