Underwelming Hardline impressions (eurogamer)

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#1 Edited by uninspiredcup (6843 posts) -

* No setup or tactics like Payday 2, you simply shoot stuff and that alerts the others team

* 2014 but feels undercooked compared to other heist games

* Some heist mods are essentially capture the flag and hardly revolutionary

* Gameplay limited with untapped potential

* Fully priced game

(most likely including map packs, higher than normal pc game price and microtransactions)

#2 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (433 posts) -

so basically poor mans Payday 2. right?

#3 Posted by silversix_ (13577 posts) -

Can see a 7/10 on GS from a mile away. This game would've been great if priced at 29.99 under the title of Battlefield 4: Hardline but nooo its EA.

#4 Posted by Jebus213 (8703 posts) -

Go outside.

#5 Posted by AutoPilotOn (7940 posts) -

Why even call this a battlefield game?

#6 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (433 posts) -

Why even call this a battlefield game?

to sell?

#7 Edited by uninspiredcup (6843 posts) -
#8 Posted by Jeager_Titan (933 posts) -

I hope EA does not pay for reviews.

#9 Edited by santoron (7429 posts) -
#10 Posted by adders99 (2564 posts) -

Can see a 7/10 on GS from a mile away. This game would've been great if priced at 29.99 under the title of Battlefield 4: Hardline but nooo its EA.

Agreed. If this was BF4: Hardline then I would be pretty excited to pick it up. knowing that its a full priced game for it greatly diminishes my excitement.

#11 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5885 posts) -

Please unfuck yourself EA.

#12 Edited by R4gn4r0k (16052 posts) -

COD is better this year

I think that says enough

so basically poor mans Payday 2. right?

It's basically Payday 2 with shittier gameplay but prettier graphics.

* Fully priced game

60 + 50 dollar premium

I'm surprised they haven't been trying to sell us Premium before the game is even out like they did with BF4.

This was the hype machine for BF4:

"Premium is awesome" "Buy premium"

"Our game is cool but with premium you get so much more"

#13 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (433 posts) -

They are making battlefield yearly iteration to compete with COD. this year its hardline, next year it will be BF5 than some spinoff and continue.

#14 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (3180 posts) -

Everything I've seen of it so far has pretty much looked like a BF4 expansion charged at full price. Move along, EA.

#15 Posted by Masculus (2800 posts) -

Not even the graphics are good.

#16 Edited by uninspiredcup (6843 posts) -

Payday 2 + DLC (most of it useless tat but a few payed maps exist) can be picked up for about £20 on steam at the moment.

This, on origin is currently a preorder price of £59.99

For those not born of the most superior country in the world, the UK. The standard pc game price is £29.99.

And, if it's a greedy cunt (for example Call Of Duty with Activision) they will attempt to charge £39.99.

EA's cynical steam clone marches on.

#17 Edited by uninspiredcup (6843 posts) -

It seems as well, aside from cloning steam (badly) they have ripped off the Team Fortress 2 drop system.

And (unlike team fortress 2) that actually has made content, much of these "drops" are simply power-boosts, with no labor what so ever. Lest we forget, Team Fortress 2 is a free game.

This game is £59.99 + micro transaction drops + £15 for 4 maps Team Fortress 2 now sits with roughly 60 maps, all of which free.

The new EA man promised things would be different.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-25-will-ea-learn-from-the-terrible-dungeon-keeper-mobile-game

.They have essentially applied the grind or pay to get resource model of DK.

#18 Posted by kuu2 (6787 posts) -

Done with BF.

Please unfuck yourself EA.

Here, here.

#19 Edited by airshocker (28263 posts) -

Yep. Hardline definitely looks like shit. There's no denying it. Will most likely be passing on Hardline, at least until I see how it does after launch.

#20 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (5885 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

Done with BF.

@FoxbatAlpha said:

Please unfuck yourself EA.

Here, here.

Seriously though, there are too sides. So far I like the gameplay but it is Battlefield 4.1 expansion pack. I still will probably get it.

It seems kind of funny how a cops and robbers game gets their biggest maps to date.

#21 Posted by freedomfreak (38182 posts) -

Shame about Visceral being reduced to making full priced expansion packs.

#22 Posted by YearoftheSnake5 (6860 posts) -

It never looked good in the first place.

@AutoPilotOn said:

Why even call this a battlefield game?

to sell?

Exactly.

#23 Posted by tormentos (16453 posts) -

Is EA they have been making crappy games for years,last year BF4 is a testament of that broken ass game.

#24 Posted by nutcrackr (12269 posts) -

I don't think EA or visceral are ready for the massive flop this game is going to be. It will damage the Battlefield brand name in the long term despite a few million sales.

I feel sorry for Visceral though, they have been assigned to leap frog a Battlefield title because it will sell on brand name. The single player might be alright. I would rather Dead Space 3.5 than BF Hardline.

#25 Posted by clyde46 (43562 posts) -

It seems as well, aside from cloning steam (badly) they have ripped off the Team Fortress 2 drop system.

And (unlike team fortress 2) that actually has made content, much of these "drops" are simply power-boosts, with no labor what so ever. Lest we forget, Team Fortress 2 is a free game.

This game is £59.99 + micro transaction drops + £15 for 4 maps Team Fortress 2 now sits with roughly 60 maps, all of which free.

The new EA man promised things would be different.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-25-will-ea-learn-from-the-terrible-dungeon-keeper-mobile-game

.They have essentially applied the grind or pay to get resource model of DK.

holy shit.

#26 Posted by xboxiphoneps3 (2236 posts) -

I think the game has shit graphics, worse then bf4

#27 Posted by lostrib (31568 posts) -

Yeah, I pretty quickly uninstalled it

#28 Posted by Cloud_imperium (1790 posts) -

Just gimme SWAT 5 and No One lives Forever 3 .

#29 Posted by uninspiredcup (6843 posts) -
#30 Posted by ShepardCommandr (2122 posts) -

what did you expect from ea?

#31 Edited by Cranler (7739 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

It seems as well, aside from cloning steam (badly) they have ripped off the Team Fortress 2 drop system.

And (unlike team fortress 2) that actually has made content, much of these "drops" are simply power-boosts, with no labor what so ever. Lest we forget, Team Fortress 2 is a free game.

This game is £59.99 + micro transaction drops + £15 for 4 maps Team Fortress 2 now sits with roughly 60 maps, all of which free.

The new EA man promised things would be different.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-25-will-ea-learn-from-the-terrible-dungeon-keeper-mobile-game

.They have essentially applied the grind or pay to get resource model of DK.

Don't make valve look like saints though. TF 2 went f2p because sales dropped off to practically nothing and they realized they could make more money by enticing f2p gamers into buying hats.

Also remember that TF 2 and CS GO have nowhere near the production values of BF games.

#32 Edited by melonfarmerz (1012 posts) -

EA and Ubi. Oh my why.

Who makes these corporate decisions? In which universe does selling a repackaged BF4 for a full 60 dollars, even though it should be DLC, to a bunch of self entitled gamers make any sense.

#33 Posted by TrappedInABox91 (461 posts) -

I'm shocked that people still buy EA games, and expect not to get burnt.

#34 Posted by uninspiredcup (6843 posts) -

@Cranler said:

@uninspiredcup said:

It seems as well, aside from cloning steam (badly) they have ripped off the Team Fortress 2 drop system.

And (unlike team fortress 2) that actually has made content, much of these "drops" are simply power-boosts, with no labor what so ever. Lest we forget, Team Fortress 2 is a free game.

This game is £59.99 + micro transaction drops + £15 for 4 maps Team Fortress 2 now sits with roughly 60 maps, all of which free.

The new EA man promised things would be different.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-25-will-ea-learn-from-the-terrible-dungeon-keeper-mobile-game

.They have essentially applied the grind or pay to get resource model of DK.

Don't make valve look like saints though. TF 2 went f2p because sales dropped off to practically nothing

Team Fortress 2 was still in the top 5 played games on steam. It seems you are deliberately (unlike me) trying to force a bias reality, full of bias, with false fact that stain the savors and heroes of industry.

#35 Posted by leandrro (730 posts) -

its not bad at all, its a great DLC, i will get it just like i did with BF:BC2 Vietnam (for 15 dollars)

#36 Posted by lawlessx (46248 posts) -

This is going to sell very poorly for Dice and will make make the battlefield IP look more and more like a joke.

#37 Edited by Cranler (7739 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

@Cranler said:

@uninspiredcup said:

It seems as well, aside from cloning steam (badly) they have ripped off the Team Fortress 2 drop system.

And (unlike team fortress 2) that actually has made content, much of these "drops" are simply power-boosts, with no labor what so ever. Lest we forget, Team Fortress 2 is a free game.

This game is £59.99 + micro transaction drops + £15 for 4 maps Team Fortress 2 now sits with roughly 60 maps, all of which free.

The new EA man promised things would be different.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-25-will-ea-learn-from-the-terrible-dungeon-keeper-mobile-game

.They have essentially applied the grind or pay to get resource model of DK.

Don't make valve look like saints though. TF 2 went f2p because sales dropped off to practically nothing

Team Fortress 2 was still in the top 5 played games on steam. It seems you are deliberately (unlike me) trying to force a bias reality, full of bias, with false fact that stain the savors and heroes of industry.

That digital deluxe BF 4 includes China Rising. Which has 4 maps, each map is about 5x the size of a CoD or TF 2 map.

http://www.ea.com/news/battlefield-3-is-free-on-pc-with-origin-on-the-house

Now On to TF 2. It went f2p 4 years after release. I would imagine most steam users who play fps already owned it. TF 2 went f2p not long after adding the TF 2 store.

No longer will you have to endure hours of Team Fortress 2 play just to unlock the game's hidden weapons, defensive items and wearable accessories. Today, Valve opened the Mann Co. Store, which lets you buy goods with real-world cash.

Update: It appears that the TF2 store is full of items priced higher than $4.99 USD. Some hats run $7.49, $9.99 and even a ludicrous $17.49. Yikes.

http://kotaku.com/5652352/team-fortress-2-opens-its-in-game-store

#38 Edited by Cranler (7739 posts) -

@leandrro said:

its not bad at all, its a great DLC, i will get it just like i did with BF:BC2 Vietnam (for 15 dollars)

The Vietnam dlc didn't have a campaign. By the time Hardline is $15 there will only be hardcore players left and you'll get owned.

#39 Posted by leandrro (730 posts) -

@Cranler said:

@leandrro said:

its not bad at all, its a great DLC, i will get it just like i did with BF:BC2 Vietnam (for 15 dollars)

The Vietnam dlc didn't have a campaign. By the time Hardline is $15 there will only be hardcore players left and you'll get owned.

sure its different, but for me and 85% of bf fans only MP matters

i will probally get it for $50 real in brazil wich is about 20 dollars, on black friday or some other sales day, in US it will be $30 on these sales days

about being owned, its been a long time since me my 400 dollars PC and my 5 dollars mouse got owned in any BF game

#40 Posted by Cranler (7739 posts) -

@leandrro said:

@Cranler said:

@leandrro said:

its not bad at all, its a great DLC, i will get it just like i did with BF:BC2 Vietnam (for 15 dollars)

The Vietnam dlc didn't have a campaign. By the time Hardline is $15 there will only be hardcore players left and you'll get owned.

sure its different, but for me and 85% of bf fans only MP matters

i will probally get it for $50 real in brazil wich is about 20 dollars, on black friday or some other sales day, in US it will be $30 on these sales days

about being owned, its been a long time since me my 400 dollars PC and my 5 dollars mouse got owned in any BF game

That's because with the exception of Bad Company there was never a strong focus on sp. To me it seems like the sp is the main attraction with Hardline. The ai is supposed to be so good that it makes the campaign highly replayable.

#41 Posted by hoosier7 (3670 posts) -

Had a feeling about this, looks like there's little to it other than a re-skin. Plus there's a good chance it'll be a buggy mess come launch.

#42 Edited by uninspiredcup (6843 posts) -

@Cranler said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@Cranler said:

@uninspiredcup said:

It seems as well, aside from cloning steam (badly) they have ripped off the Team Fortress 2 drop system.

And (unlike team fortress 2) that actually has made content, much of these "drops" are simply power-boosts, with no labor what so ever. Lest we forget, Team Fortress 2 is a free game.

This game is £59.99 + micro transaction drops + £15 for 4 maps Team Fortress 2 now sits with roughly 60 maps, all of which free.

The new EA man promised things would be different.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-25-will-ea-learn-from-the-terrible-dungeon-keeper-mobile-game

.They have essentially applied the grind or pay to get resource model of DK.

Don't make valve look like saints though. TF 2 went f2p because sales dropped off to practically nothing

Team Fortress 2 was still in the top 5 played games on steam. It seems you are deliberately (unlike me) trying to force a bias reality, full of bias, with false fact that stain the savors and heroes of industry.

That digital deluxe BF 4 includes China Rising. Which has 4 maps, each map is about 5x the size of a CoD or TF 2 map.

http://www.ea.com/news/battlefield-3-is-free-on-pc-with-origin-on-the-house

Now On to TF 2. It went f2p 4 years after release. I would imagine most steam users who play fps already owned it. TF 2 went f2p not long after adding the TF 2 store.

No longer will you have to endure hours of Team Fortress 2 play just to unlock the game's hidden weapons, defensive items and wearable accessories. Today, Valve opened the Mann Co. Store, which lets you buy goods with real-world cash.

Update: It appears that the TF2 store is full of items priced higher than $4.99 USD. Some hats run $7.49, $9.99 and even a ludicrous $17.49. Yikes.

http://kotaku.com/5652352/team-fortress-2-opens-its-in-game-store

My friend a "big" map doesn't equal a "good" map. This is googoo gaga thinking. If we used this logic, those Call Of Duty maps people such as yourself play would be the shittest maps known to humanity (which they are).

Metacritic would suggest Valve are the greatest developer in the world alongside Nintendo while Dice barely hit 80.

"I imagine" Wonderful, but that's not an argument.

Using the argument of "oh well they sell items". Team Fortress 2, sells items for a title that costs £0 Battlefield sells boosts and content all ready in a £59.99 game. Team Fortress 2 gets additional constant and support while every single Battlefield items is already in, or deliberately taken out of the game.

I listed 60 maps. So, if we can't to go into semantics

4 maps for Battlefield 4 = £15

4 maps for Team Fortress 2 = £0

60 X £0 = 0

60/4 = 15

15 X £15 = £225

+ £59.99 for the game

+ £20 for power boosts

= £305

#43 Posted by Basinboy (10924 posts) -

Game is overglorified DLC. Beta confirmed it and hopefully consumers recognize it before they get burned.

#44 Posted by cfisher2833 (1501 posts) -

Yeah, I wasn't very impressed with it. The grappling hooks and ziplines are a cool idea though. I just didn't find the game modes remotely engaging, and they really didn't seem to emphasize teamwork. I quit playing after about 3 matches.

#45 Posted by Merex760 (4280 posts) -

I'm done with any of these annualized shooters. They're literally the Michael Bay movies of gaming. Same quality.

#46 Edited by Cranler (7739 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

@Cranler said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@Cranler said:

@uninspiredcup said:

It seems as well, aside from cloning steam (badly) they have ripped off the Team Fortress 2 drop system.

And (unlike team fortress 2) that actually has made content, much of these "drops" are simply power-boosts, with no labor what so ever. Lest we forget, Team Fortress 2 is a free game.

This game is £59.99 + micro transaction drops + £15 for 4 maps Team Fortress 2 now sits with roughly 60 maps, all of which free.

The new EA man promised things would be different.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-25-will-ea-learn-from-the-terrible-dungeon-keeper-mobile-game

.They have essentially applied the grind or pay to get resource model of DK.

Don't make valve look like saints though. TF 2 went f2p because sales dropped off to practically nothing

Team Fortress 2 was still in the top 5 played games on steam. It seems you are deliberately (unlike me) trying to force a bias reality, full of bias, with false fact that stain the savors and heroes of industry.

That digital deluxe BF 4 includes China Rising. Which has 4 maps, each map is about 5x the size of a CoD or TF 2 map.

http://www.ea.com/news/battlefield-3-is-free-on-pc-with-origin-on-the-house

Now On to TF 2. It went f2p 4 years after release. I would imagine most steam users who play fps already owned it. TF 2 went f2p not long after adding the TF 2 store.

No longer will you have to endure hours of Team Fortress 2 play just to unlock the game's hidden weapons, defensive items and wearable accessories. Today, Valve opened the Mann Co. Store, which lets you buy goods with real-world cash.

Update: It appears that the TF2 store is full of items priced higher than $4.99 USD. Some hats run $7.49, $9.99 and even a ludicrous $17.49. Yikes.

http://kotaku.com/5652352/team-fortress-2-opens-its-in-game-store

My friend a "big" map doesn't equal a "good" map. This is googoo gaga thinking. If we used this logic, those Call Of Duty maps people such as yourself play would be the shittest maps known to humanity (which they are).

Metacritic would suggest Valve are the greatest developer in the world alongside Nintendo while Dice barely hit 80.

"I imagine" Wonderful, but that's not an argument.

Using the argument of "oh well they sell items". Team Fortress 2, sells items for a title that costs £0 Battlefield sells boosts and content all ready in a £59.99 game. Team Fortress 2 gets additional constant and support while every single Battlefield items is already in, or deliberately taken out of the game.

I listed 60 maps. So, if we can't to go into semantics

4 maps for Battlefield 4 = £15

4 maps for Team Fortress 2 = £0

60 X £0 = 0

60/4 = 15

15 X £15 = £225

+ £59.99 for the game

+ £20 for power boosts

= £305

You failed to grasp my point about the map size. I never said bigger maps are better. I though my meaning was clear that the China Rising pack that's included with the digital deluxe edition that you were criticising adds a lot of content. The amount of content in China Rising is comparable to 2 or 3 CoD map packs.

This isn't about game ratings. You were using trying to make valve look like saints when they're not.

Most games sell practically nothing after 4 years. Going f2p was all about trying to get more gamers buying useless crap in the store. TF 2 store sells shortcut unlocks and hats. Useless crap.

Speaking of reskins what do you think CS Go is? $30 at release and looked no better than Left 4 dead.

The most notorious reskin in the history of gaming is by valve. Did you forget the huge outcry when Left 4 Dead 2 was announced?

At least Hardline has cutting edge graphics and sound fx with what could be one of the best fps campaigns in years. Left 4 dead was already technically outdated when it released and then they reskinned it and released a sequel a year later.

Power boosts aren't required. It doesn't take that long to get a good loadout in BF.

For cheap people who don't want to spend any money but wan to play a battlefield game there's BF Heroes. It has 15 maps which are about 4x the size of TF 2 maps.

EA has given BF 3, Dead Space and Plants vs Zombies for free in the last few months. What does valve give for free besides f2p style games that push microtransactions down you throat?

#47 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (433 posts) -

@Cranler said:

EA has given BF 3, Dead Space and Plants vs Zombies for free in the last few months. What does valve give for free besides f2p style games that push microtransactions down you throat?

Rather make a great game comes in decade than mediocre game coming out every month. Valve is most repected developer in the world. what is the respect of EA? 24/7 they are getting criticize.

#48 Posted by Cranler (7739 posts) -

Yeah, I wasn't very impressed with it. The grappling hooks and ziplines are a cool idea though. I just didn't find the game modes remotely engaging, and they really didn't seem to emphasize teamwork. I quit playing after about 3 matches.

Playing blood money on a coordinated team was quite fun for me. A few guys camped the central vault while a few looted it, a few guarding our vault, the armored truck camping the enemies vault so teammates could loot it. It was total pwnage.

#49 Posted by Cranler (7739 posts) -

@Cranler said:

EA has given BF 3, Dead Space and Plants vs Zombies for free in the last few months. What does valve give for free besides f2p style games that push microtransactions down you throat?

Rather make a great game comes in decade than mediocre game coming out every month. Valve is most repected developer in the world. what is the respect of EA? 24/7 they are getting criticize.

Comprehension troubles? Dead Space came out in 2008, BF 3 in 2011 and Plants vs Zombies 2014. I was pointing out that EA gave them for free, no strings attached no sub required etc. Understand now?

I found TF 2 to be mediocre. Left 4 dead and it's reskin sequel got boring after about 20 hours while Bf series gives me hundreds of hours of playtime.

#50 Edited by uninspiredcup (6843 posts) -

@Cranler said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@Cranler said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@Cranler said:

@uninspiredcup said:

It seems as well, aside from cloning steam (badly) they have ripped off the Team Fortress 2 drop system.

And (unlike team fortress 2) that actually has made content, much of these "drops" are simply power-boosts, with no labor what so ever. Lest we forget, Team Fortress 2 is a free game.

This game is £59.99 + micro transaction drops + £15 for 4 maps Team Fortress 2 now sits with roughly 60 maps, all of which free.

The new EA man promised things would be different.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-25-will-ea-learn-from-the-terrible-dungeon-keeper-mobile-game

.They have essentially applied the grind or pay to get resource model of DK.

Don't make valve look like saints though. TF 2 went f2p because sales dropped off to practically nothing

Team Fortress 2 was still in the top 5 played games on steam. It seems you are deliberately (unlike me) trying to force a bias reality, full of bias, with false fact that stain the savors and heroes of industry.

That digital deluxe BF 4 includes China Rising. Which has 4 maps, each map is about 5x the size of a CoD or TF 2 map.

http://www.ea.com/news/battlefield-3-is-free-on-pc-with-origin-on-the-house

Now On to TF 2. It went f2p 4 years after release. I would imagine most steam users who play fps already owned it. TF 2 went f2p not long after adding the TF 2 store.

No longer will you have to endure hours of Team Fortress 2 play just to unlock the game's hidden weapons, defensive items and wearable accessories. Today, Valve opened the Mann Co. Store, which lets you buy goods with real-world cash.

Update: It appears that the TF2 store is full of items priced higher than $4.99 USD. Some hats run $7.49, $9.99 and even a ludicrous $17.49. Yikes.

http://kotaku.com/5652352/team-fortress-2-opens-its-in-game-store

My friend a "big" map doesn't equal a "good" map. This is googoo gaga thinking. If we used this logic, those Call Of Duty maps people such as yourself play would be the shittest maps known to humanity (which they are).

Metacritic would suggest Valve are the greatest developer in the world alongside Nintendo while Dice barely hit 80.

"I imagine" Wonderful, but that's not an argument.

Using the argument of "oh well they sell items". Team Fortress 2, sells items for a title that costs £0 Battlefield sells boosts and content all ready in a £59.99 game. Team Fortress 2 gets additional constant and support while every single Battlefield items is already in, or deliberately taken out of the game.

I listed 60 maps. So, if we can't to go into semantics

4 maps for Battlefield 4 = £15

4 maps for Team Fortress 2 = £0

60 X £0 = 0

60/4 = 15

15 X £15 = £225

+ £59.99 for the game

+ £20 for power boosts

= £305

You failed to grasp my point about the map size. I never said bigger maps are better.

You just outright implied it, made up poop about Valve and used a bunch of false and poor arguments.

Didn't read rest, waste of time.